m*******1
发帖数: 328 | 1 It is a big game between the so called deadline 2015 and USMLE scores. Which
is more important? Of course, it is step score.
Some people are smarter and can do a wonderful job in a short time (less
than 1 year). But for the majority, it still takes a longer time to get a
decent score (maybe 1 year or longer). It is suicidal to take steps in a
rush. It will ruin you big time just to beat the deadline. With bad scores,
no one wants to help you at all because you are not competitive initially.
Inside connections are heavily built upon your score unless you have
something else remarkable.
If you still score less than 220 today, the chance of match is pretty low if
not at all. CS attempts will also kill you. One failure will be a deal
breaker to a large number of programs. If you failed twice, the chance of
match is dismal.
Do not let 2015 frighten you. It is your package which finally gets you
across. |
m****d
发帖数: 65 | 2 Yes, it is a balancing act to meet the 'deadline' and getting the highest
scores as possible. Issues are the diminishing returns on the time
investment and the reliability of the mock test results. If you want to go
this route, do it full time with full family support.
Which
,
if
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: It is a big game between the so called deadline 2015 and USMLE scores. Which
: is more important? Of course, it is step score.
: Some people are smarter and can do a wonderful job in a short time (less
: than 1 year). But for the majority, it still takes a longer time to get a
: decent score (maybe 1 year or longer). It is suicidal to take steps in a
: rush. It will ruin you big time just to beat the deadline. With bad scores,
: no one wants to help you at all because you are not competitive initially.
: Inside connections are heavily built upon your score unless you have
: something else remarkable.
: If you still score less than 220 today, the chance of match is pretty low if
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h*******r
发帖数: 182 | 3 Look at the list of people just matched, only very few has high score. Maybe
this is small sample bias, but from these successful cases, we can learn
that score is not the necessary. And even with bad scores under 220, other
factors still can compensate.
That list did not specify which program they matched, maybe higher score
with same conditions can match to better programs.
Which
,
if
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: It is a big game between the so called deadline 2015 and USMLE scores. Which
: is more important? Of course, it is step score.
: Some people are smarter and can do a wonderful job in a short time (less
: than 1 year). But for the majority, it still takes a longer time to get a
: decent score (maybe 1 year or longer). It is suicidal to take steps in a
: rush. It will ruin you big time just to beat the deadline. With bad scores,
: no one wants to help you at all because you are not competitive initially.
: Inside connections are heavily built upon your score unless you have
: something else remarkable.
: If you still score less than 220 today, the chance of match is pretty low if
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m*******1
发帖数: 328 | 4 How many people are unmatched? Have you taken a look at their credentials?
They did not report in Medi at all. I am pretty sure that the mean and SD
in matched group are higher than those of the unmatched. Of course, score
is not everything. Someone with score<200 can match with a stroke of luck.
But the vast majority with average scores (<210-220) will end up with
nothing. Of course, it is simply not fair to look at proportions of the
unmatched IMGs only (60% at this time). The unmatched should be stratified
with their respective score range.
Maybe
【在 h*******r 的大作中提到】
: Look at the list of people just matched, only very few has high score. Maybe
: this is small sample bias, but from these successful cases, we can learn
: that score is not the necessary. And even with bad scores under 220, other
: factors still can compensate.
: That list did not specify which program they matched, maybe higher score
: with same conditions can match to better programs.
:
: Which
: ,
: if
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 5 53 matched this year vs 68 matched last year. It is a 20% drop that
correlates with the first wave of AMG out of the increased enrollment. If we
take it into account that more people follow medi every year, it is even a
bigger drop. The door is closing. Wolf is coming is time around. It is
time to act.
It would be very unfair and will ask for lawsuits if they shut the door
abruptly. They have given us fair warnings with many 'little' things. They
have increased the number of AMGs, terminated prematch, changed soap,
increase the difficulties of CS, tried to block H-1 or J-1. It is writing on
the wall.
Maybe
【在 h*******r 的大作中提到】
: Look at the list of people just matched, only very few has high score. Maybe
: this is small sample bias, but from these successful cases, we can learn
: that score is not the necessary. And even with bad scores under 220, other
: factors still can compensate.
: That list did not specify which program they matched, maybe higher score
: with same conditions can match to better programs.
:
: Which
: ,
: if
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 6 I am totally with you. People with low scores, in general, wont be given a
chance. They are screened out by software since there are 1000 applicants
chasing 10 spots.
Scores are top 1 criteria for a good reason. It is a measure of your
medical knowledge, your learning ability and your work ethics. It is the
best reflection of how good, dedicated a person to this medicine as a career
.
It is a balancing act. Study as if someone has a guy on your back. Have a
sense of urgency. It is now or never.
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: How many people are unmatched? Have you taken a look at their credentials?
: They did not report in Medi at all. I am pretty sure that the mean and SD
: in matched group are higher than those of the unmatched. Of course, score
: is not everything. Someone with score<200 can match with a stroke of luck.
: But the vast majority with average scores (<210-220) will end up with
: nothing. Of course, it is simply not fair to look at proportions of the
: unmatched IMGs only (60% at this time). The unmatched should be stratified
: with their respective score range.
:
: Maybe
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m*******1
发帖数: 328 | 7 Well, the difference might be caused by an unwillingness to report. Some
will report after Friday.
68 is a conservative number for last year. A number of prematchers did not
report again when March came. The total number of reported prematchers+
matchers could be well beyond 80.
we
a
They
on
【在 m****d 的大作中提到】
: 53 matched this year vs 68 matched last year. It is a 20% drop that
: correlates with the first wave of AMG out of the increased enrollment. If we
: take it into account that more people follow medi every year, it is even a
: bigger drop. The door is closing. Wolf is coming is time around. It is
: time to act.
: It would be very unfair and will ask for lawsuits if they shut the door
: abruptly. They have given us fair warnings with many 'little' things. They
: have increased the number of AMGs, terminated prematch, changed soap,
: increase the difficulties of CS, tried to block H-1 or J-1. It is writing on
: the wall.
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m*******1
发帖数: 328 | 8 I agree with you. The door will be shut bit by bit. Maybe after 2018, some
Chinese medical schools will be disqualified from ECFMG lists. But the door
will not be shut completely. That is not good for America in terms of
diversity. 25% would be a bottom number I guess.
we
a
They
on
【在 m****d 的大作中提到】
: 53 matched this year vs 68 matched last year. It is a 20% drop that
: correlates with the first wave of AMG out of the increased enrollment. If we
: take it into account that more people follow medi every year, it is even a
: bigger drop. The door is closing. Wolf is coming is time around. It is
: time to act.
: It would be very unfair and will ask for lawsuits if they shut the door
: abruptly. They have given us fair warnings with many 'little' things. They
: have increased the number of AMGs, terminated prematch, changed soap,
: increase the difficulties of CS, tried to block H-1 or J-1. It is writing on
: the wall.
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 9 53 from 80. It is 30% drop. It is happening!
No time to play it safe. Full time study and full time externship is the
way to go. If you take your time part timing your steps, you might as well
forget it.
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: Well, the difference might be caused by an unwillingness to report. Some
: will report after Friday.
: 68 is a conservative number for last year. A number of prematchers did not
: report again when March came. The total number of reported prematchers+
: matchers could be well beyond 80.
:
:
: we
: a
: They
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 10 Eventually, it will go down to 10% which will discourage many and will
bounce back to 20% range. Just my gut feelings. Unless you have very high
scores and gc, you might not have a chance in 3-4 years.
door
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: I agree with you. The door will be shut bit by bit. Maybe after 2018, some
: Chinese medical schools will be disqualified from ECFMG lists. But the door
: will not be shut completely. That is not good for America in terms of
: diversity. 25% would be a bottom number I guess.
:
: we
: a
: They
: on
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m****u
发帖数: 275 | 11 你俩愿意讨论自己私下去说，在版上发这些用chinglish发这些大白话看着真讨厌。好
像谁不知道似的。
well
【在 m****d 的大作中提到】
: 53 from 80. It is 30% drop. It is happening!
: No time to play it safe. Full time study and full time externship is the
: way to go. If you take your time part timing your steps, you might as well
: forget it.
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 12 您老人家看不惯， 一边稍息把。
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: 你俩愿意讨论自己私下去说，在版上发这些用chinglish发这些大白话看着真讨厌。好
: 像谁不知道似的。
:
: well
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m****u
发帖数: 275 | 13 看见你这种整天就会发些滥帖子的人就烦，你还是一边待着去吧。
老人家。恐怕你比我老吧？：）
【在 m****d 的大作中提到】
: 您老人家看不惯， 一边稍息把。
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 14 Did your mom teach you to talk to elderly this way? Too bad, no medicine
can help you. I will pray for you.
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: 看见你这种整天就会发些滥帖子的人就烦，你还是一边待着去吧。
: 老人家。恐怕你比我老吧？：）
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 15 既然我老点，给你个忠告把。像你这么confrontational的性格，迟早要摔跤的。 轻的
被开， 重的背告，丢执照。
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: 看见你这种整天就会发些滥帖子的人就烦，你还是一边待着去吧。
: 老人家。恐怕你比我老吧？：）
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m****d
发帖数: 65 | 16 新一代医生。咳。没救了。
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: 看见你这种整天就会发些滥帖子的人就烦，你还是一边待着去吧。
: 老人家。恐怕你比我老吧？：）
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n*******l
发帖数: 190 | 17 我在想这么多人说2015,会不会很多IMG赶在 2015match,反而导致2015成功率更低？ |
m****d
发帖数: 65 | 18 It is so called tail end syndrome. A few months before CS test format change
, you could not even get a spot. Dont you see most people are studying at
this moment instead of watering here?
【在 n*******l 的大作中提到】
: 我在想这么多人说2015,会不会很多IMG赶在 2015match,反而导致2015成功率更低？
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M***3
发帖数: 82 | 19 我的天呀！一个受过教育的人能说出这种话？
麻烦这位“医学生”同学，请自我介绍时，说您是韩国人。
真是太丢人了。 |
g*******n
发帖数: 319 | 20 Quick question, are we talking about 2014-2015 match or 2015-2016 match?
Thanks! |
