R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 1 我靠，彻底糊涂了
1）怎么男的能和男的结婚？
2）怎么能一个男的能和几个女的结婚，反之亦然
3）要是你的领主叫你去打仗，你拒绝会有什么后果？
4）怎么征兵？
中世纪实在是太混乱了！ | f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 2 I did. But what you said has never happened to me. Maybe your CPU is crazy. | f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 3 To answer your last two questions.
3）要是你的领主叫你去打仗，你拒绝会有什么后果？
Of course your relations with your lord will deteriorate. And if he is
really mad at you, he could ask to confiscate your title and land. Then if
you resist this request (of course you will), he has a claim on your title
and is then legitimate to declare war at you.
But normally, you are not very close to this situation. And considering the
huge cost when you have your army mobilized, it is worth the risk unless
your game goal is to be a "good boy".
4）怎么征兵？
You have no direct control of recruiting. This will be automatically done.
The number of your available soldiers will be slowly growing as you can see
from your county improvement window. You can build training ground and some
other buildings (I forgot what they are though) to increase this growing
speed. But there is no way to suddenly increase 1000 arms in your county.
And though complicated it seems, once you get on track, it is not a very
difficult game. And it really helps you to understand more about medieval
Europe history. | f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 4 2）怎么能一个男的能和几个女的结婚，反之亦然
One possiblity is that what you actually saw in the character window are the
current wife of the character and his ex-wives.
But for No.1, no, can't happen. Maybe some female portrait in the games
looks male for you... | R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 5 有可能，
我用皮埃蒙特的某伯爵（别问我名字），俺自己娶了老婆，发现弟弟还没有，赶紧娶了
一个，好像当时才17岁，还在court training？等到court training结束，突然发现弟
媳妇有两个老公。是不是这个弟媳妇的父母答应了两门亲事？
the
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: 2）怎么能一个男的能和几个女的结婚，反之亦然
: One possiblity is that what you actually saw in the character window are the
: current wife of the character and his ex-wives.
: But for No.1, no, can't happen. Maybe some female portrait in the games
: looks male for you...
| f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 6 If the portrait of the other husband is a darkened one then it means this
man is already dead...
【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: 有可能，
: 我用皮埃蒙特的某伯爵（别问我名字），俺自己娶了老婆，发现弟弟还没有，赶紧娶了
: 一个，好像当时才17岁，还在court training？等到court training结束，突然发现弟
: 媳妇有两个老公。是不是这个弟媳妇的父母答应了两门亲事？
:
: the
| R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 7 No, this is the weird thing, he is still alive. Not sure how it could work.
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: If the portrait of the other husband is a darkened one then it means this
: man is already dead...
| R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 8 多谢多谢，
再麻烦你个问题：怎么才能对别人宣战？好像同宗教你得有claim才行。怎么才能有
claim？还有怎么对威尼斯，热那亚这种共和国宣战？
the
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: To answer your last two questions.
: 3）要是你的领主叫你去打仗，你拒绝会有什么后果？
: Of course your relations with your lord will deteriorate. And if he is
: really mad at you, he could ask to confiscate your title and land. Then if
: you resist this request (of course you will), he has a claim on your title
: and is then legitimate to declare war at you.
: But normally, you are not very close to this situation. And considering the
: huge cost when you have your army mobilized, it is worth the risk unless
: your game goal is to be a "good boy".
: 4）怎么征兵？
| f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 9 Yes, you need a claim to DOW other Christian lords. There is an option to
claim it in the menu of your target's county. The problem here is to claim a
title, you need to have enough "prestige", which is on the top of the
screen just beside the number of your gold. The greater or the more
important the title you wanna claim, more prestige points it costs. Your
prestige points slowly grow with time. The growing speed depends on the
titles you have in your hand and the number of your vassals.
If you start with a normal county, at the beginning, it is very difficult to
have enough prestige to claim any title. Sometimes some random events like
"you have been insulted by a neighboring lord" can give you the chance to
claim a title for free. But anyhow, DOW a Christian lord is not very wise,
since even if you have enough prestige, your war against Christians will
increase a hidden parameter called "Bad Boy" point. The higher this point is
, the worse other people (your neighbors, your vassals, your ministers and
even your family) will evaluate you. And when you become a villain for
everybody else, it could be very bad...
So if you want to expand within the Christian lands, do it slowly and
cautiously. Better wait when you have a good excuse to do so, e.g, your
target is excommunicated by the Pope. Once you have your independent and
large enough Kingdom, you can speed up since you have more options to lower
your "Bad Boy" points. But otherwise, conquering Muslim or Pagan lands are
still a better choice.
You claim titles of Genoa or Venice the same way as others. But these two
counties are probably the richest ones in the game, and to claim it and to
fight with the huge army they can support is not easy. And for some reason,
conquering these Italian republics can seriously damage your piety and
relation with the Pope. You may end up with excommunication... I usually
wait other lords to do it and just grab them when they are weakened by these
bad consequences.
【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: 多谢多谢，
: 再麻烦你个问题：怎么才能对别人宣战？好像同宗教你得有claim才行。怎么才能有
: claim？还有怎么对威尼斯，热那亚这种共和国宣战？
:
: the
| f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 10 OK, so your CPU is indeed crazy...
【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: No, this is the weird thing, he is still alive. Not sure how it could work.
| | | R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 11 你老真的是马基亚维利再世啊，佩服佩服,
俺现在用的是伯爵，能claim一个公爵么？好像女公爵不能嫁给伯爵？
a
to
like
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you need a claim to DOW other Christian lords. There is an option to
: claim it in the menu of your target's county. The problem here is to claim a
: title, you need to have enough "prestige", which is on the top of the
: screen just beside the number of your gold. The greater or the more
: important the title you wanna claim, more prestige points it costs. Your
: prestige points slowly grow with time. The growing speed depends on the
: titles you have in your hand and the number of your vassals.
: If you start with a normal county, at the beginning, it is very difficult to
: have enough prestige to claim any title. Sometimes some random events like
: "you have been insulted by a neighboring lord" can give you the chance to
| f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 12 Not sure about the second question, never proposed an Duchess.
As long as you have enough prestige, you can claim any title. I once played as Count of Belgrade within the Byzantine Empire. At the beginning, basically it was hopeless to be independent from the Emperor. So the only thing I can do is to wait and abuse some petty Pecheneg pagan neighbors when possible. But at some point I found that the once powerful Kingdom of Hungary had over-expanded and its King got excommunicated somehow. His vassals turned against him and drove him to the only remaining county which happened to be next to mine. So the importance of his title "King of Hungary" significantly shrinked and I was able to claim it. So did I and I then DOWed him without much preparation, but my quick reaction is enough to conquer his last county before his vassals did so. And then I leaped into the King of Hungary and won independence and started my conquer of the Europe...
So far my best move in the game, but before that I have to patiently waited for more than 10 years.
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: 你老真的是马基亚维利再世啊，佩服佩服,
: 俺现在用的是伯爵，能claim一个公爵么？好像女公爵不能嫁给伯爵？
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: a
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: like
| R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 13 厉害厉害
看来您老是老手了，俺就继续麻烦您了：
一般什么法令比较好？怎么研发科技？
played as Count of Belgrade within the Byzantine Empire. At the beginning,
basically it was hopeless to be independent from the Emperor. So the only
thing I can do is to wait and abuse some petty Pecheneg pagan neighbors when
possible. But at some point I found that the once powerful Kingdom of
Hungary had over-expanded and its King got excommunicated somehow. His
vassals turned against him and drove him to the only remaining : county
which happened to be next to mine. So the importance of his title "King of
Hungary" significantly shrinked and I was able to claim it. So did I and I
then DOWed him without much preparation, but my quick reaction is enough to
conquer his last county before his vassals did so. And then I leaped into
the King of Hungary and won independence and started my conquer of the
Europe...
waited for more than 10 years.
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: Not sure about the second question, never proposed an Duchess.
: As long as you have enough prestige, you can claim any title. I once played as Count of Belgrade within the Byzantine Empire. At the beginning, basically it was hopeless to be independent from the Emperor. So the only thing I can do is to wait and abuse some petty Pecheneg pagan neighbors when possible. But at some point I found that the once powerful Kingdom of Hungary had over-expanded and its King got excommunicated somehow. His vassals turned against him and drove him to the only remaining county which happened to be next to mine. So the importance of his title "King of Hungary" significantly shrinked and I was able to claim it. So did I and I then DOWed him without much preparation, but my quick reaction is enough to conquer his last county before his vassals did so. And then I leaped into the King of Hungary and won independence and started my conquer of the Europe...
: So far my best move in the game, but before that I have to patiently waited for more than 10 years.
| l**********g
发帖数: 574 | 14 赞
【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，彻底糊涂了
: 1）怎么男的能和男的结婚？
: 2）怎么能一个男的能和几个女的结婚，反之亦然
: 3）要是你的领主叫你去打仗，你拒绝会有什么后果？
: 4）怎么征兵？
: 中世纪实在是太混乱了！
| f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 15 In general, the laws and techs in CK are not very important, at least for me.
To choose which kind of inheritance law depends on which child you would
like to be the next ruler. Primogeniture passes all the power to the eldest
son and is the most popular law in Europe. But if your eldest son happens to
be an idiot, and your second son is a genius, you can choose Consanguinity,
which awards the "strongest" son everything. Then you can artificially
makes your 2nd son the "strongest" by awarding him more titles and land.
Gavelkind, which divides your land among all the possible heirs, is
obviously not an option if you are a normal player. But if you have a "role
play" game goal you can also do it... Similar is the Elective Law, which
makes biologically unrelated character eligible to inherit your throne, and
if this indeed happens, your game is over...
So normally, Primogeniture and Consanguinity are the only choices, Salic or
Semisalic does not make that big a difference for you, but it is useful to
find other Semisalic lords, since this means it is possible to arrange
political marriage to make your sons eligible to inherit other titles
without triggering wars. And although I am not very good at it, it is one
biggest fun of the game...
The 2nd set of laws adjusts the income source distribution between peasant &
burghers vs noblemen & your vassals in your land. Peasants and burghers
pays much more money than noblemen. When you don't have many vassals, your
major income are from taxes and tolls from your peasants and burghers. The
laws that enables 100% taxes and tolls should be your choice to make it
possible for you to tax them more. When your kingdom becomes large enough
and you have more vassals, Scutage from vassals become more and more
important and you can then choose laws that enables more Scutage rate. But
higher scutage also means less available soldiers from your vassals and
usually income from your demesne (directly controlled couties) are still
very important, so I tend to choose Feudal Contract.
The 3rd set of laws adjusts the importance of the church in your land. Don't
know much about it, but I'd choose ecclesical balance.
Different from other games, you can not directly "research" any tech. You
can only choose 3 techs of 3 branches of techs to be the emphasized research
direction. And whether and when you will get the tech is random... In fact,
your county gains a tech more often not by your "research guidance" but by
tech spreading from neighboring (by sea and by land) counties. So what I do
is to observe what more advance techs my neighboring counties have and then
put my emphasis also on these techs. This will double boosts the possibility
of getting this tech quickly.
when
【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: 厉害厉害
: 看来您老是老手了，俺就继续麻烦您了：
: 一般什么法令比较好？怎么研发科技？
:
: played as Count of Belgrade within the Byzantine Empire. At the beginning,
: basically it was hopeless to be independent from the Emperor. So the only
: thing I can do is to wait and abuse some petty Pecheneg pagan neighbors when
: possible. But at some point I found that the once powerful Kingdom of
: Hungary had over-expanded and its King got excommunicated somehow. His
: vassals turned against him and drove him to the only remaining : county
| R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 16 科技部分还是不太明白，每个类别里的科技是平行的关系，不是科技树？我好像有时候
看见有提示说哪里研究出来什么了来着，不过每个科技好像基于五个别的科技？
me.
eldest
to
Consanguinity,
role
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: In general, the laws and techs in CK are not very important, at least for me.
: To choose which kind of inheritance law depends on which child you would
: like to be the next ruler. Primogeniture passes all the power to the eldest
: son and is the most popular law in Europe. But if your eldest son happens to
: be an idiot, and your second son is a genius, you can choose Consanguinity,
: which awards the "strongest" son everything. Then you can artificially
: makes your 2nd son the "strongest" by awarding him more titles and land.
: Gavelkind, which divides your land among all the possible heirs, is
: obviously not an option if you are a normal player. But if you have a "role
: play" game goal you can also do it... Similar is the Elective Law, which
| f**********4
发帖数: 2617 | 17 There are 3 branches of techs: Military, Economy & Culture.
In each branch you can choose one tech as your emphasis. E.g., You choose
Bows, Architecture and Noble Custom. Each tech has 5 levels, e.g. Bows has
from level 1-5; Shorbow, Longbow, Composite Bow, Reinforced Longbow and
Marksman Longbow....
【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: 科技部分还是不太明白，每个类别里的科技是平行的关系，不是科技树？我好像有时候
: 看见有提示说哪里研究出来什么了来着，不过每个科技好像基于五个别的科技？
:
: me.
: eldest
: to
: Consanguinity,
: role
| R*I
发帖数: 1840 | 18 Oh I see.看来这个科技树这个概念就是挥之不去啊。你一般选什么科技，找到了一篇
讲CK科技的
你知道CK2快出了么？
【在 f**********4 的大作中提到】
: There are 3 branches of techs: Military, Economy & Culture.
: In each branch you can choose one tech as your emphasis. E.g., You choose
: Bows, Architecture and Noble Custom. Each tech has 5 levels, e.g. Bows has
: from level 1-5; Shorbow, Longbow, Composite Bow, Reinforced Longbow and
: Marksman Longbow....
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