a*****9
发帖数: 805 | 1 今天问了下sig sauer academy的pro shop, 去上节课可以拿学生价960, 这个怎么样？
正好可以上节战术课，牛人们觉得去厂店还是dealer? | s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | | a*****9
发帖数: 805 | | m****s
发帖数: 10867 | 4 226和glock一样啊，可以不试就上，worry-free
【在 a*****9 的大作中提到】
: 没税了,那估计就是这个上下了，不错
| g****n
发帖数: 3313 | 5 那我这的P229 $799还真便宜了。可惜CERTIFICATE迟迟下不来。 | f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 6 sig的很多枪包括这个226，都是铝合金frame搭配钢slides，钢磨铝，用不了几枪frame
就现原型，很影响心情，连塑料枪都不如。楼主要慎重，一千刀可以上很还好的全钢
1911，或者塑料hk
【在 a*****9 的大作中提到】
: 今天问了下sig sauer academy的pro shop, 去上节课可以拿学生价960, 这个怎么样？
: 正好可以上节战术课，牛人们觉得去厂店还是dealer?
| L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | 7 Slide和Frame配合那么紧密？
frame
【在 f********t 的大作中提到】
: sig的很多枪包括这个226，都是铝合金frame搭配钢slides，钢磨铝，用不了几枪frame
: 就现原型，很影响心情，连塑料枪都不如。楼主要慎重，一千刀可以上很还好的全钢
: 1911，或者塑料hk
| f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 8 据赵老师说，小样比glock， m&p紧很多
【在 L*******r 的大作中提到】
: Slide和Frame配合那么紧密？
:
: frame
| g****n
发帖数: 3313 | 9 KAO ! 又被打击，P229也是 一样的？？
难道 真的只能买HKP2000了？
frame
【在 f********t 的大作中提到】
: sig的很多枪包括这个226，都是铝合金frame搭配钢slides，钢磨铝，用不了几枪frame
: 就现原型，很影响心情，连塑料枪都不如。楼主要慎重，一千刀可以上很还好的全钢
: 1911，或者塑料hk
| g****n
发帖数: 3313 | 10 http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIC2q7.html
III. Firearm Information by Type
C. Semi-Automatic Pistols
2. Models and Manufacturers
q. Sig Sauer
7. Are Sig Aluminum Frames Weak?
by Peter Jordan
I have recently seen on the net that some people believe the aluminum frame
on the SIG is inferior or weak. Their erroneous solutions vary:
Don't buy a Sig because it has an aluminum frame. Instead buy an all steel
gun or a polymer type. NONSENSE.
Don't use hot loads like a COR-BON 135 grain 40S&W load, otherwise your Sig
frame will wear out or be damaged. NONSENSE.
I am not affiliated with SigArms, but I am a Sig P229 owner. I called
SigArms to pose this so-called problem regarding Sig aluminum frames. I was
told the following (paraphrasing of course):
Literally hundreds of agencies all over the world use Sigs because Sig guns
are TOUGH, excellently engineered, hold up excellently in the field, and are
superbly accurate right out of the box.
Besides the all-steel slide, the aluminum FRAME also incorporates steel
lockup and arrest mechanisms. This combination makes the Sig just as sturdy
as all-steel guns. The SigArms rep said that some other pistol companies in
the past have made ALUMINUM lockup and arrest mechanisms that would actually
crack after 10,000 rounds. Sig frames do not wear out any faster than steel
frames, BASED on many tests over the years with different materials,
including steel. They have shot 200,000 - 300,000 rounds through several
different Sigs without having to replace any frames. Yes, this is what
SigArms told me, and I have no reason to suspect their statements. If the
Sig gun is cleaned and lubed as directed, after each firing, the Sig should
hold up quite excellently, just like a steel frame.
It is very unusual that Sig owners request a Sig frame to be replaced; and
it's usually the result of some unusual circumstance in the field or a very
rare defect. There have been a couple cases on the Net in which the P229 was
replaced by SigArms with no questions asked, because of frame deterioration
. As far as I can tell from SigArms and experiences from Sig owners in
general, this frame deterioration is unusual; if it were the norm, SigArms
would not be able to keep enjoying their excellent reputation and their
business would be in jeopardy.
SigArms told me that wear patterns are fairly normal and occur within the
first couple hundred rounds of the break-in shooting period of the P229. The
main location that causes some people concern is on the rail, about one
inch from the muzzle end of the frame. During the break-in period, you may
see the black anodized material wear off in this area and possibly see what
appears to be some very small pits or chips. Seeing a little silver colored
stainless steel and minor wear patterns is no cause for alarm. The wear
patterns become stable during the first 1000 rounds of shooting. Make sure
to clean and lube your gun, including the rails, before each shooting
session. If your new gun shows these wear patterns then keep an eye on it
during the break-in period, to make sure the wear patterns do not degrade
the rail. If the wear patterns appear to be getting worse after several
hundred rounds, then call SigArms at 603-772-2302.
[Even though there are many happy Glock owners out there, occasionally you
hear a horror story about a particular Glock, which could be a rare defect
or a maintenance problem. With the amount of Glocks out there, the horror
story is the exception rather than the norm. So it is with the many Sigs all
over the world.]
Limiting the Sig guns to light/medium ammo loads only, is complete nonsense.
For all practical purposes, you can shoot anything in a Sig that you would
normally shoot in an all-steel gun, including 40s&w COR-BON 135 grain loads.
Just make sure to properly clean and lube your Sig accordingly for proper
maintenance. Very simple. Shooting only hot loads in ANY gun will cause it
to wear out faster.
It is true that SigArms does not recommend +P ammo unless it is authorized
by SAAMI. The 40s&w does not have a +P authorization. To confuse matters,
COR-BON 135 grain rounds are listed on the ammo box as being +P. This is
really more of a marketing strategy from COR-BON, to let buyers know that
this is a hot load. The important thing to remember here is that the COR-BON
135 round is WITHIN the SAAMI limit of 35,000 psi. So technically, this
round is within the authorized guidelines of SigArms and SAAMI.
The Sig representative I talked with did say that the 357SIG round is
engineered to be more ballistically efficient than the 40s&w round. That is
one of the main reasons the 357SIG round is powerful, yet very pleasant to
shoot. The 357SIG round has to be mated with a tough gun that will support
it -- thus, the SIG P229 with its perfectly matched stainless steel slide
and aluminum frame with reinforced steel lockup and arrest mechanisms.
As far as ammo goes, it depends on which philosophy you follow: The "light
and fast" or the "heavy and slow" fans. If you like the heavy and slow
philosophy, use the 165 - 180 grain 40s&w rounds. If you like the light and
fast rounds, use the 40s&w 135 grain load or use the 357SIG rounds. But
having an aluminum Sig frame makes no difference whatsoever in your ammo
decision, unless you go beyond the SAAMI specs.
On the internet, people can say anything they want, even if it is completely
bogus -- I thought this SigArms response was interesting. Possibly, some
people have had bad experiences with OTHER brand name aluminum slides and/or
frames and then assume that Sig frames might be inferior also, without
really investigating the facts. On the other hand, there have been rare
incidents of frame deterioration where SigArms has replaced the customer's
guns. Again, with proper cleaning and lubing, the Sig guns will last for a
very long time, just as long as an all-steel gun, which is based on Sig
manufacturing tests.
If you have any other questions, please call SigArms at 603-772-2302 to get
actual facts, instead of here-say. | f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 11 枪手写的，厂家当然不会承认铝合金frame磨了难看。如果是理工男，自己想想铝磨钢
的下场
frame
【在 g****n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIIC2q7.html
: III. Firearm Information by Type
: C. Semi-Automatic Pistols
: 2. Models and Manufacturers
: q. Sig Sauer
: 7. Are Sig Aluminum Frames Weak?
: by Peter Jordan
: I have recently seen on the net that some people believe the aluminum frame
: on the SIG is inferior or weak. Their erroneous solutions vary:
: Don't buy a Sig because it has an aluminum frame. Instead buy an all steel
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 12 所以sig的枪要经常上gun grease/lube, 就不会有问题。 网上打过2万发得多得是。 | f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 13 我这里说的不是耐用性问题，而是frame磨了很难看，对不起sigd的身价。版上好几位
都反映过这个问题
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 所以sig的枪要经常上gun grease/lube, 就不会有问题。 网上打过2万发得多得是。
| g****n
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