i*******D
发帖数: 993 | 1 你们会同意自己的博后再业余修个神马master之类的吗？
估计没拿到tenure的要是有博后这样问一定会大棒伺候 : D |
a********u
发帖数: 1277 | 2 理论上博后做满每周40小时（或者在这边是35小时），就不应该再管他（她）业余的事
。实际上嘛，我还没tenure，暂时没法回答。
【在 i*******D 的大作中提到】
: 你们会同意自己的博后再业余修个神马master之类的吗？
: 估计没拿到tenure的要是有博后这样问一定会大棒伺候 : D
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f***h
发帖数: 283 | 3 能宽容的话，就应该宽容一点。毕竟人家以后要找饭碗。从某种程度上说，这是私事。
人家告诉你，也是一种尊重。你能作的是要求他不要耽误你这边的工作。 |
r***e
发帖数: 10135 | 4 都博后了还要再搞其他专业的硕士
跟那些本科就来名校的小留 两个世界的人啊
【在 i*******D 的大作中提到】
: 你们会同意自己的博后再业余修个神马master之类的吗？
: 估计没拿到tenure的要是有博后这样问一定会大棒伺候 : D
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 5 Many students (RA) from China really do not understand what is meant by :
you are hired to do the job.
This also applys to Postdoc.
If a postdoc of mine (I do not have one) studies another master, I will look
down on him since he looks down on himself, and this also indicates that he is
not good at research in his fields.
This is similar to: a solider does not want to be a general is not a good solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field in research is not a good postdoc. |
o*****e
发帖数: 871 | 6 You can look down on anyone whom you want to look down on. But please live
and let live.
look
he is
solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field
in research is not a good postdoc.
【在 U*******1 的大作中提到】
: Many students (RA) from China really do not understand what is meant by :
: you are hired to do the job.
: This also applys to Postdoc.
: If a postdoc of mine (I do not have one) studies another master, I will look
: down on him since he looks down on himself, and this also indicates that he is
: not good at research in his fields.
: This is similar to: a solider does not want to be a general is not a good solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field in research is not a good postdoc.
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 7 I did not mean to look down anyone. I meant that I would look down on my
postdoc if I have (in fact I do not) who studys another Master. Since I do
not have a postdoc, I do not look down anyone. What I really meant that a
postdoc should not look down on himself by studing another master.
【在 o*****e 的大作中提到】
: You can look down on anyone whom you want to look down on. But please live
: and let live.
:
: look
: he is
: solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field
: in research is not a good postdoc.
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 8 I did not mean to look down anyone. I meant that I would look down on my
postdoc if I have (in fact I do not) who studys another Master. Since I do
not have a postdoc, I do not look down anyone. What I really meant that a
postdoc should not look down on himself by studing another master.
【在 o*****e 的大作中提到】
: You can look down on anyone whom you want to look down on. But please live
: and let live.
:
: look
: he is
: solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field
: in research is not a good postdoc.
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t*******g
发帖数: 1518 | 9 Maybe nobody cares if you look down on someone or not simply because your
justification is weak.
look
he is
solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field
in research is not a good postdoc.
【在 U*******1 的大作中提到】
: Many students (RA) from China really do not understand what is meant by :
: you are hired to do the job.
: This also applys to Postdoc.
: If a postdoc of mine (I do not have one) studies another master, I will look
: down on him since he looks down on himself, and this also indicates that he is
: not good at research in his fields.
: This is similar to: a solider does not want to be a general is not a good solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field in research is not a good postdoc.
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a********u
发帖数: 1277 | 10 我倒觉得postdoc只是一个职业，哪怕是全职，也不是all waking hours。
遇到以教职为目标的博士后当然很理想，但如果博士后另有人生规划，也真是他（她）
的自由。
By the way, applys -> applies
look
he is
solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field
in research is not a good postdoc.
【在 U*******1 的大作中提到】
: Many students (RA) from China really do not understand what is meant by :
: you are hired to do the job.
: This also applys to Postdoc.
: If a postdoc of mine (I do not have one) studies another master, I will look
: down on him since he looks down on himself, and this also indicates that he is
: not good at research in his fields.
: This is similar to: a solider does not want to be a general is not a good solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field in research is not a good postdoc.
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G***y
发帖数: 1082 | 11 I have to agree with you. People have different plan for their life. As long
as he/she gets the job done, there is nothing wrong with having alternative
plans.
field
【在 a********u 的大作中提到】
: 我倒觉得postdoc只是一个职业，哪怕是全职，也不是all waking hours。
: 遇到以教职为目标的博士后当然很理想，但如果博士后另有人生规划，也真是他（她）
: 的自由。
: By the way, applys -> applies
:
: look
: he is
: solider. A postdoc does not want to become successful in his original field
: in research is not a good postdoc.
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y****c
发帖数: 875 | 12 这个，如果需要weekdays上课呢？
如果博后需要每周拿出一天的时间去上课，怎么办？ |
t**********d
发帖数: 257 | 13 In theory, postdoc is a full-time job that runs 9-5 on Mon-Fri. So as long
as his study has no time conflict with his job, he doesn't need your
agreement. But of course we all know we don't work by 9-5 Mon-Fri schedule.
Neither does a postdoc. Getting MS degree is very time-consuming, no matter
how capable he is.
If I were you, I would explain these to him and suggest not to do it,
because it will hamper his job performance. If he insists, I won't renew the
contract next time.
my two cents only.
【在 i*******D 的大作中提到】
: 你们会同意自己的博后再业余修个神马master之类的吗？
: 估计没拿到tenure的要是有博后这样问一定会大棒伺候 : D
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d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 14 这个听起来合理。Postdoc确实是一个full-time的工作。这就象在公司工作，如果想读
master，需要公司同意。
.
matter
the
【在 t**********d 的大作中提到】
: In theory, postdoc is a full-time job that runs 9-5 on Mon-Fri. So as long
: as his study has no time conflict with his job, he doesn't need your
: agreement. But of course we all know we don't work by 9-5 Mon-Fri schedule.
: Neither does a postdoc. Getting MS degree is very time-consuming, no matter
: how capable he is.
: If I were you, I would explain these to him and suggest not to do it,
: because it will hamper his job performance. If he insists, I won't renew the
: contract next time.
: my two cents only.
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s***e
发帖数: 421 | 15 postdoc只是个工作，不是你的奴隶。
人家业余计划干什么，只要和工作不冲突，和老板屁关系都没有。
告诉你是对你的尊重，不告诉你也无权去控制人。
专制体制下出来的人，思维里总是喜欢把自己当根葱，哪怕是当上大学教授。
学会尊重人，尊重人的选择。 |
F********y
发帖数: 7139 | 16 我觉得也应该是这样。postdoc就算是fulltime也绝不是朝9晚5的工作，只要正常的工
作进度不受影响，业余时间他/她爱干啥干啥去。就算真的上课时间在白天，晚上他/她
加班补回来还不行？做人不要太mean
【在 f***h 的大作中提到】
: 能宽容的话，就应该宽容一点。毕竟人家以后要找饭碗。从某种程度上说，这是私事。
: 人家告诉你，也是一种尊重。你能作的是要求他不要耽误你这边的工作。
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s******e
发帖数: 34 | 17 回： USATT2011
你look down on个屁啊。post-doc修点课或第二学位，自己帮助自己提高，将来方便找
工作，这有这么不好啊？ 怎么就自己look down on 自己啦？做你的post-doc就成了你
的奴隶了，干什么都要与你商量啊，放你的屁。post-doc也就是做一份工拿一分钱，只
要工作量和质都对得起你负的那一点点钱就行了吧。别做了AP就屁的不行了，还要控制
人家继续学什么，真黑心黑肺的。时间全给你的lab,你能帮人家找到工作吗？典型的做
了婆婆就欺负媳妇的，没良心，去死吧。
to: DIGUA
"这个听起来合理。Postdoc确实是一个full-time的工作。这就象在公司工作，如果想读master，需要公司同意。"
你误导人啊，事实上，用人单位都是鼓励继续学习的，“需要公司同意”是指公司报销学费的情况啊。 |
d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 18 saltlake这个说法，误导性很大。公司鼓励继续学习是一回事，需不需要公司同意，是
另外一回事。多数公司，完全不鼓励学生修一个与本职工作无关的学位。
如果公司不同意，学生没法上白天的课，只能上晚上或周末的课。但有多少课是安排在
晚上或周末呢？另一个选项是part-time和远程教学，但那样花的时间相当长，而且远
程考试的安排，一般是要通过公司来做的。
并不是所有公司都很nice。我教的一个研究生班上，有大约30%的学生是part-time学生
。一次有一个学生，学习上很需要帮助，但白天没法参加我的office hour（用电话）
。我问他weekend哪个晚上可以，他说都不行，因为公司（一个小公司）这几个月赶项
目，要他加班。最后我只好在周六晚上搞了一个office hour。
：你误导人啊，事实上，用人单位都是鼓励继续学习的，“需要公司同意”
：是指公司报销学费的情况啊。 |
r****a
发帖数: 87 | 19 这个恐怕不行，博后是个去acdemia的过渡阶段，我招个博后，就有义务mentoring他／
她开始独立研究的能力，申请 NSF 常要求写你的 post doc mentoring plan.
现在这个博后告诉你要读个Master, 这不 make sense, 这通常和你的项目的objective
都抵触， 赶快换人，想读master,没问题，就别趟博后这条路
【在 i*******D 的大作中提到】
: 你们会同意自己的博后再业余修个神马master之类的吗？
: 估计没拿到tenure的要是有博后这样问一定会大棒伺候 : D
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m********a
发帖数: 239 | 20 why bother doing a postdoc if u are looking to pursue other interests.
【在 s******e 的大作中提到】
: 回： USATT2011
: 你look down on个屁啊。post-doc修点课或第二学位，自己帮助自己提高，将来方便找
: 工作，这有这么不好啊？ 怎么就自己look down on 自己啦？做你的post-doc就成了你
: 的奴隶了，干什么都要与你商量啊，放你的屁。post-doc也就是做一份工拿一分钱，只
: 要工作量和质都对得起你负的那一点点钱就行了吧。别做了AP就屁的不行了，还要控制
: 人家继续学什么，真黑心黑肺的。时间全给你的lab,你能帮人家找到工作吗？典型的做
: 了婆婆就欺负媳妇的，没良心，去死吧。
: to: DIGUA
: "这个听起来合理。Postdoc确实是一个full-time的工作。这就象在公司工作，如果想读master，需要公司同意。"
: 你误导人啊，事实上，用人单位都是鼓励继续学习的，“需要公司同意”是指公司报销学费的情况啊。
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m********a
发帖数: 239 | 21 agree.
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 这个恐怕不行，博后是个去acdemia的过渡阶段，我招个博后，就有义务mentoring他／
: 她开始独立研究的能力，申请 NSF 常要求写你的 post doc mentoring plan.
: 现在这个博后告诉你要读个Master, 这不 make sense, 这通常和你的项目的objective
: 都抵触， 赶快换人，想读master,没问题，就别趟博后这条路
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w******n
发帖数: 352 | 22 我要是tenure了，这个postdoc也干了几年，有了贡献和感情，我就允了。
要不然，就走人。 我见过老外group里，有中国人进去一个月，跟老板说要修课，老板
利马让走人的。 |
g****7
发帖数: 192 | 23 studying another master跟look down on himself没啥逻辑关系吧.
或许TA突然发现那才是TA真正兴趣所在;
或许TA预见到自己在本专业太没前途;
哪个都无可厚非. 干嘛就不能转行啊.
【在 U*******1 的大作中提到】
: I did not mean to look down anyone. I meant that I would look down on my
: postdoc if I have (in fact I do not) who studys another Master. Since I do
: not have a postdoc, I do not look down anyone. What I really meant that a
: postdoc should not look down on himself by studing another master.
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