f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 1 上午去的bmw dealer，试驾了一辆x6 35i, 感觉一般，加速没啥感觉，悬挂硬。跟
dealer谈价，很拽，只卖MSRP, 问我expectation,我说invoice, 丫大笑，直接说 "
have a good weekend" 让走人，md.
下午去得MB dealer,果然感觉热情很多，预约的是试驾bluetec diesel (455@1500的
torque啊），不过没有，试驾了新款gas版的，感觉不错，很舒适，该有的都有了。接
下来砍价，说bluetec很紧俏，discount很少，如果是gas的，基本可以invoice拿下，
不过还是喜欢bluetec, 最终bluetec只能砍下2000，交了定金，5月提车, premium2+
lane+lighting pkg,plus panorama roof+PARKTRONIC+running board, 拿下来 $62K+
TTL. |
t**********1
发帖数: 7316 | 2 能不能贴到您那个“顶风BSO”贴下，
//显得更扎眼些 |
f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 3 贴了。
【在 t**********1 的大作中提到】
: 能不能贴到您那个“顶风BSO”贴下，
: //显得更扎眼些
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h***z
发帖数: 243 | 4 楼主不懂行情，X6和ML350柴油都被运到国内了，所以抢手，价格高，350汽油不能运国内，
所以折扣多，柴油车和汽油没法比，驾驶感觉差了去了，拿上车你肯定后悔 |
f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 5 无语。。。
国内，
【在 h***z 的大作中提到】
: 楼主不懂行情，X6和ML350柴油都被运到国内了，所以抢手，价格高，350汽油不能运国内，
: 所以折扣多，柴油车和汽油没法比，驾驶感觉差了去了，拿上车你肯定后悔
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c********l
发帖数: 8138 | 6 hbenz说的基本属实
国内，
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: 无语。。。
:
: 国内，
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e*******e
发帖数: 1144 | 7 我看所有review里都强烈推荐这代ML的柴油款(不是所有车的柴油都推荐,但是只要
review新一代ML的都说买的话应该上柴油)
也许有他们的道理?
国内，
【在 h***z 的大作中提到】
: 楼主不懂行情，X6和ML350柴油都被运到国内了，所以抢手，价格高，350汽油不能运国内，
: 所以折扣多，柴油车和汽油没法比，驾驶感觉差了去了，拿上车你肯定后悔
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f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 8 别搞了，2012ML350国内还没正式上市，运过去的柴油 汽油都有。
X6国内有柴油？ 只有欧洲有。
【在 c********l 的大作中提到】
: hbenz说的基本属实
:
: 国内，
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p********r
发帖数: 11 | 9 Cong!
We tried both X5 diesel and ML350 Bluetec both. It is a quite different driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise only could be sounded when you step out of door.
The only difference we can find between ML350 gas and ML350 Bluetec is at the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a bit "soft".
We went for ML350 gas model though because of price, and no frequent need for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for us). You are right it is hard to negotiate the ML Bluetec because of tight inventory. There is only 12-20% ML Bluetec on the road (sorry cannot remember the source of statistics).
Overall, I agree ML Bluetec is better than ML gas. It might depend on your preference and purpose to choose ML350 gas or ML350 Bluetec.
Have fun on your driving! |
f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 10 Thanks, did you get close invoice price for gas model?
driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like
driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even
tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise
only could be sounded when you step out of door.
the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a
bit "soft".
for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for
us). You are right it is hard to negotiate the ML Bluetec because of tight
inventory. There is only 12-20% ML Bluetec on the road (sorry cannot
remember the source of statistics).
preference and purpose to choose ML350 gas or ML350 Bluetec.
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: Cong!
: We tried both X5 diesel and ML350 Bluetec both. It is a quite different driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise only could be sounded when you step out of door.
: The only difference we can find between ML350 gas and ML350 Bluetec is at the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a bit "soft".
: We went for ML350 gas model though because of price, and no frequent need for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for us). You are right it is hard to negotiate the ML Bluetec because of tight inventory. There is only 12-20% ML Bluetec on the road (sorry cannot remember the source of statistics).
: Overall, I agree ML Bluetec is better than ML gas. It might depend on your preference and purpose to choose ML350 gas or ML350 Bluetec.
: Have fun on your driving!
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p********r
发帖数: 11 | 11 According to the edmunds.com, my deal should be invocie-3k (fleet program included).
even
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: Thanks, did you get close invoice price for gas model?
:
: driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like
: driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even
: tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise
: only could be sounded when you step out of door.
: the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a
: bit "soft".
: for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for
: us). You are right it is hard to negotiate the ML Bluetec because of tight
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b***6
发帖数: 6011 | |
f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 13 come on, you call a 4 seats SUV+Coupe the same level with a 7 seats SUV?
They totally target different market.
【在 b***6 的大作中提到】
: x6 不是和 GL 一个档次的嘛
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h***z
发帖数: 243 | 14 好心当成......,我天天折腾这几个车还不淸楚?
就等着后悔去吧!
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: 别搞了，2012ML350国内还没正式上市，运过去的柴油 汽油都有。
: X6国内有柴油？ 只有欧洲有。
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d*****e
发帖数: 515 | 15 "premium2+lane+lighting pkg,plus panorama roof+PARKTRONIC+running board, 拿
下来 $62K+TTL."
这些配置 MSPR就是 $62,735啊？没有便宜$2000
ML350 BlueTEC SUV2012
Your Build
MSRP
$50,490
Additional Costs
$11,370
Transportation Charge
$875
Total
$62,735
MSRP $50,490
TRANSPORTATION CHARGE $875
APPEARANCE
Exterior: Black$0
Interior: Black MB-Tex$0
Trim: Eucalyptus Wood Trim$0
Wheels: 19-Inch Twin 5-Spoke Alloy Wheels$0
PACKAGES
Premium 1 PackageIncluded with package
Premium 2 Package$5,370
Driver Assistance Package$2,950
Lighting Package$1,290
OPTIONS
KEYLESS-GOIncluded with package
Panorama roof$1,090
Brushed aluminum running boards with rubber studs$670 |
s********r
发帖数: 2308 | 16 congrats, the 2012 ml350 bt is a gem |
M********3
发帖数: 309 | 17 7 asses for 62 grands; that's a poor man's vehicle. nothing for BSO.
Living a wretched life, a WSN is eligible to be really excited about a poor
man's car, though:)
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: come on, you call a 4 seats SUV+Coupe the same level with a 7 seats SUV?
: They totally target different market.
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f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 18 加了leather , $1620.
【在 d*****e 的大作中提到】
: "premium2+lane+lighting pkg,plus panorama roof+PARKTRONIC+running board, 拿
: 下来 $62K+TTL."
: 这些配置 MSPR就是 $62,735啊？没有便宜$2000
: ML350 BlueTEC SUV2012
: Your Build
: MSRP
: $50,490
: Additional Costs
: $11,370
: Transportation Charge
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b********i
发帖数: 1785 | |
t**x
发帖数: 20965 | 20 如果不在乎牌子马力，lexus内饰更好些。我追求的就是舒服和安静
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: 上午去的bmw dealer，试驾了一辆x6 35i, 感觉一般，加速没啥感觉，悬挂硬。跟
: dealer谈价，很拽，只卖MSRP, 问我expectation,我说invoice, 丫大笑，直接说 "
: have a good weekend" 让走人，md.
: 下午去得MB dealer,果然感觉热情很多，预约的是试驾bluetec diesel (455@1500的
: torque啊），不过没有，试驾了新款gas版的，感觉不错，很舒适，该有的都有了。接
: 下来砍价，说bluetec很紧俏，discount很少，如果是gas的，基本可以invoice拿下，
: 不过还是喜欢bluetec, 最终bluetec只能砍下2000，交了定金，5月提车, premium2+
: lane+lighting pkg,plus panorama roof+PARKTRONIC+running board, 拿下来 $62K+
: TTL.
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s********r
发帖数: 2308 | 21 开德系柴油车郁闷的是那个particle filter. 偶而碰上清洗filter的cycle，那味道吓
你一跳。不过据说早几年的车弄得更可怕，会突然开始冒蓝烟。 还有就是Bluetech了
，想想整天车后厢底下装着一罐子尿不停的往排气管里漏尿就烦。尤其是这东西还容易
出故障。啥时候能disable掉尿素sensor就好了。据说其实就是tank下的一个密度
sensor |
c*******o
发帖数: 1722 | 22 pdf recycle没那么严重，第一次你可能会闻到一点味道，以后
基本没有感觉。那个味道有点像刹车烧焦的味道。
diesel现在的排放很干净，无烟无味，比汽油干净。以前还有
tax credit，后来也被美帝废掉了。
【在 s********r 的大作中提到】
: 开德系柴油车郁闷的是那个particle filter. 偶而碰上清洗filter的cycle，那味道吓
: 你一跳。不过据说早几年的车弄得更可怕，会突然开始冒蓝烟。 还有就是Bluetech了
: ，想想整天车后厢底下装着一罐子尿不停的往排气管里漏尿就烦。尤其是这东西还容易
: 出故障。啥时候能disable掉尿素sensor就好了。据说其实就是tank下的一个密度
: sensor
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s********r
发帖数: 2308 | 23 我有两次快到家了赶上pdf recycle，第一次吓的我以为是烧机油，打电话给VW dealer
时恨不得破口大骂。
【在 c*******o 的大作中提到】
: pdf recycle没那么严重，第一次你可能会闻到一点味道，以后
: 基本没有感觉。那个味道有点像刹车烧焦的味道。
: diesel现在的排放很干净，无烟无味，比汽油干净。以前还有
: tax credit，后来也被美帝废掉了。
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c*******o
发帖数: 1722 | 24 每次到600,700 miles 来一次，如果闻到有点味道，就是pdf recycle...
dealer
【在 s********r 的大作中提到】
: 我有两次快到家了赶上pdf recycle，第一次吓的我以为是烧机油，打电话给VW dealer
: 时恨不得破口大骂。
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ie
发帖数: 1350 | 25 哥们你这个不如直接加5k上GL350阿。
或者加几K上Gl450+P1阿。
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: 上午去的bmw dealer，试驾了一辆x6 35i, 感觉一般，加速没啥感觉，悬挂硬。跟
: dealer谈价，很拽，只卖MSRP, 问我expectation,我说invoice, 丫大笑，直接说 "
: have a good weekend" 让走人，md.
: 下午去得MB dealer,果然感觉热情很多，预约的是试驾bluetec diesel (455@1500的
: torque啊），不过没有，试驾了新款gas版的，感觉不错，很舒适，该有的都有了。接
: 下来砍价，说bluetec很紧俏，discount很少，如果是gas的，基本可以invoice拿下，
: 不过还是喜欢bluetec, 最终bluetec只能砍下2000，交了定金，5月提车, premium2+
: lane+lighting pkg,plus panorama roof+PARKTRONIC+running board, 拿下来 $62K+
: TTL.
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y*****g
发帖数: 6223 | 26 恭喜，bmw的dealer为何如此的拽？
【在 f*****l 的大作中提到】
: 上午去的bmw dealer，试驾了一辆x6 35i, 感觉一般，加速没啥感觉，悬挂硬。跟
: dealer谈价，很拽，只卖MSRP, 问我expectation,我说invoice, 丫大笑，直接说 "
: have a good weekend" 让走人，md.
: 下午去得MB dealer,果然感觉热情很多，预约的是试驾bluetec diesel (455@1500的
: torque啊），不过没有，试驾了新款gas版的，感觉不错，很舒适，该有的都有了。接
: 下来砍价，说bluetec很紧俏，discount很少，如果是gas的，基本可以invoice拿下，
: 不过还是喜欢bluetec, 最终bluetec只能砍下2000，交了定金，5月提车, premium2+
: lane+lighting pkg,plus panorama roof+PARKTRONIC+running board, 拿下来 $62K+
: TTL.
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ie
发帖数: 1350 | 27 这个要顶，x5 diesel太吵了，买了才发现，特别是加速的时候，TNND，看来torque不
是free的。
driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like
driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even
tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise
only could be sounded when you step out of door.
the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a
bit "soft".
for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for
us). You are right it is hard to negotiate the ML Bluetec because of tight
inventory. There is only 12-20% ML Bluetec on the road (sorry cannot
remember the source of statistics).
preference and purpose to choose ML350 gas or ML350 Bluetec.
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: Cong!
: We tried both X5 diesel and ML350 Bluetec both. It is a quite different driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise only could be sounded when you step out of door.
: The only difference we can find between ML350 gas and ML350 Bluetec is at the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a bit "soft".
: We went for ML350 gas model though because of price, and no frequent need for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for us). You are right it is hard to negotiate the ML Bluetec because of tight inventory. There is only 12-20% ML Bluetec on the road (sorry cannot remember the source of statistics).
: Overall, I agree ML Bluetec is better than ML gas. It might depend on your preference and purpose to choose ML350 gas or ML350 Bluetec.
: Have fun on your driving!
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 28 曾经拿了一辆35d的loaner
从idle到加速噪音一直十分明显,如前面所说,怎么听起来都像拖拉机
不过不太理解的是,楼主如果觉得X6加速平平,那恐怕更忍不了ML diesel
除非其实楼主两个车都没怎么加速.
even
【在 ie 的大作中提到】
: 这个要顶，x5 diesel太吵了，买了才发现，特别是加速的时候，TNND，看来torque不
: 是free的。
:
: driving experience in terms of noise. The X5 is so loud that sounds like
: driving a tractor. ML Bluetec is extraordinary quiet. Actually we can't even
: tell the difference between ML350 gas and Bluetec on the road, the noise
: only could be sounded when you step out of door.
: the acceleration time: ML Bluetec is more responsive, while ML350 gas is a
: bit "soft".
: for big torque (in other words, that kind of "soft" response is enough for
|
f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 29 ML 350 bluetec get better performance than GL 350 bluetec.
【在 ie 的大作中提到】
: 哥们你这个不如直接加5k上GL350阿。
: 或者加几K上Gl450+P1阿。
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p********r
发帖数: 11 | 30 I just happened to read “2012 car buying guide” from Consumer Report today. Bluetec is the editor’s pick between ML350 gas and diesel.
By design diesel engine is quite noisy. The engineers of MB ‘seal’ the engine into a very isolated space in order to ‘block’ the sound transmission. They also pay a lot attention to other details so as to make the engine vibration can be absorbed as much as possible. That is why ML350 Bluetec is much more quiet than X5 35d. |
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f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 31 re
today. Bluetec is the editor’s pick between ML350 gas and diesel.
engine into a very isolated space in order to ‘block’ the sound
transmission. They also pay a lot attention to other details so as to make
the engine vibration can be absorbed as much as possible. That is why ML350
Bluetec is much more quiet than X5 35d.
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: I just happened to read “2012 car buying guide” from Consumer Report today. Bluetec is the editor’s pick between ML350 gas and diesel.
: By design diesel engine is quite noisy. The engineers of MB ‘seal’ the engine into a very isolated space in order to ‘block’ the sound transmission. They also pay a lot attention to other details so as to make the engine vibration can be absorbed as much as possible. That is why ML350 Bluetec is much more quiet than X5 35d.
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s********r
发帖数: 2308 | 32 My Touareg TDI's engine can be quite noisy when start up cold. But it gets
pretty quiet after it's warmed up.
BTW, Diesel engines are super efficient and it will take forever for the
water temperature to reach normal operation temperature if you just let it
idle. |
f*****l
发帖数: 571 | 33 2011 Touareg is a good car though.
gets
【在 s********r 的大作中提到】
: My Touareg TDI's engine can be quite noisy when start up cold. But it gets
: pretty quiet after it's warmed up.
: BTW, Diesel engines are super efficient and it will take forever for the
: water temperature to reach normal operation temperature if you just let it
: idle.
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