w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 Treasury and Fed finalize UIGEA regs
November 12th, 2008
* UIGEA tough to enforce, officials say at Congressional hearing
* Did the UIGEA regs actually open the door for legalized online
gambling?
* Pro-UIGEA senator losing patience with U.S. Treasury, Fed
Big news for poker players out of Washington today - the Fed and Treasury
announced that they’re done with the regulations they were assigned to
write for the UIGEA two Octobers ago.
There are a couple of important points for poker |
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发帖数: 6301 | 2 Treasury and Fed finalize UIGEA regs
November 12th, 2008
* UIGEA tough to enforce, officials say at Congressional hearing
* Did the UIGEA regs actually open the door for legalized online
gambling?
* Pro-UIGEA senator losing patience with U.S. Treasury, Fed
Big news for poker players out of Washington today - the Fed and Treasury
announced that they’re done with the regulations they were assigned to
write for the UIGEA two Octobers ago.
There are a couple of important points for poker |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 3 Hearing on UIGEA Underlines Severe Flaws
BY: BOB PAJICH | b********[email protected]
PUBLISHED: Wednesday Apr 02, 2008 01:50 PM
The Question Persists: What Exactly is Online Gambling?
This morning a House subcommittee heard testimony on the proposed rules that
will be used to enforce the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (
UIGEA) and there was only one person in the room who thought the UIGEA will
actually work as intended.
That person was Alabama Rep. Spencer Bachus, who described gambl |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 4 UIGEA update: Legal challenges, class action suits and interesting
interpretations
November 14th, 2008
There’s been a lot of chatter this week following the finalization of UIGEA
regulations by the Fed and Treasury. There’s also been a good deal of
action from pro-poker forces aimed at fighting the move.
First up is a new chapter in an existing story - iMEGA filed their response
brief in their standing challenge to the UIGEA on constitutional grounds.
The core of iMEGA’s claim has to do with |
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发帖数: 6301 | 5 Hearing on UIGEA Underlines Severe Flaws
BY: BOB PAJICH | b********[email protected]
PUBLISHED: Wednesday Apr 02, 2008 01:50 PM
The Question Persists: What Exactly is Online Gambling?
This morning a House subcommittee heard testimony on the proposed rules that
will be used to enforce the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (
UIGEA) and there was only one person in the room who thought the UIGEA will
actually work as intended.
That person was Alabama Rep. Spencer Bachus, who described gambl |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 6 UIGEA update: Legal challenges, class action suits and interesting
interpretations
November 14th, 2008
There’s been a lot of chatter this week following the finalization of UIGEA
regulations by the Fed and Treasury. There’s also been a good deal of
action from pro-poker forces aimed at fighting the move.
First up is a new chapter in an existing story - iMEGA filed their response
brief in their standing challenge to the UIGEA on constitutional grounds.
The core of iMEGA’s claim has to do with |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 Anti-UIGEA bill progresses in Congress
June 20th, 2008
HR 5767, the bill that would stop implementation of the United States’
Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, has taken a step forward in the
House of Representatives.
The House Committee on Financial Services will review and possibly amend the
legislation, H.R. 5767 starting on June 24.
According to a press release from the Safe and Secure Internet Gambling
Initiative:
“Congress has studied this issue and heard from the financial s |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 8 Dear xxx,
On Tuesday or Wednesday of this week your US Representative will cast a
critical vote on the future of poker. Your voice must be heard before this
important vote!
Background: Unless Congress takes action, regulations to implement the
Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) will soon take effect.
These regulations threaten to snuff out, once and for all, your right to
play the great game at the time and place of your choice.
Tuesday, the House Financial Services Committee wil |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 9 Bill that would block UIGEA fails in committee
June 25th, 2008
The House Financial Services Committee defeated HR 5767 on Wednesday, a bill
that would have blocked implementation of the Unlawful Internet Gambling
Enforcement Act.
The committee, chaired by the main sponsor of the bill, Barney Frank (D-Mass
.), took a pair of votes, according to a story at pocketfives.com:
The first was on an amendment by Congressman Peter King (R-NY) that
would have called for the U.S. Treasury and Federa |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 Anti-UIGEA bill progresses in Congress
June 20th, 2008
HR 5767, the bill that would stop implementation of the United States’
Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, has taken a step forward in the
House of Representatives.
The House Committee on Financial Services will review and possibly amend the
legislation, H.R. 5767 starting on June 24.
According to a press release from the Safe and Secure Internet Gambling
Initiative:
“Congress has studied this issue and heard from the financial s |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 11 Dear xxx,
On Tuesday or Wednesday of this week your US Representative will cast a
critical vote on the future of poker. Your voice must be heard before this
important vote!
Background: Unless Congress takes action, regulations to implement the
Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA) will soon take effect.
These regulations threaten to snuff out, once and for all, your right to
play the great game at the time and place of your choice.
Tuesday, the House Financial Services Committee wil |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 12 Bill that would block UIGEA fails in committee
June 25th, 2008
The House Financial Services Committee defeated HR 5767 on Wednesday, a bill
that would have blocked implementation of the Unlawful Internet Gambling
Enforcement Act.
The committee, chaired by the main sponsor of the bill, Barney Frank (D-Mass
.), took a pair of votes, according to a story at pocketfives.com:
The first was on an amendment by Congressman Peter King (R-NY) that
would have called for the U.S. Treasury and Federa |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 不弱智，这目前是个灰色领域。
要交税，网上也好，LIVE也好，都要。当然，你要觉得金额小，或者IRS不容易查，而
隐瞒，那是你个人承担风险的事情。
个人感觉，IRS还没有能力跟踪到海外的扑克网站(你可能也需要了解一下UIGEA法案)，
或者它们会提供输赢数据给IRS。在UIGEA得要求下，实际上如果你能通过信用卡存钱，
已经是钻了某些信用卡公司监管不严的空子了。
以后会不会？不好说，看最终UIGEA的执行力度或者能否被推翻。比如法国现在就全面
合法化网络赌博了，美国以后怎么样天知道？不过政府很缺经费就是了，一些州比如FL
，CA等已经在讨论这个问题。有可能哪天真变了，象fulltilt这样的网站为了得到美国
政府的批准，而向IRS“出卖”这些输赢信息，就难说了。而且现在很多网站(比如
pokertableratings)可以一定程度上跟踪你的输赢，IRS也不是真的一点不知道。
至于信用卡信息，这个风险很小，尤其是几家大的网站。
知道 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 就目前两党还在为减税吵得不可开交，这个粗糙，仓促准备的草案通过的概率极小。
而且，这个草案动机就很坏，纯粹为帮助MGM, Harrahs这样的传统赌场集团"合法"的消
灭来自PS／FTP的竞争。现在虽然有UIGEA，也搞了好几年，但是UIGEA只能针对帮助存
钱的金融机构，连取钱都管不了，更没办法实质性的封锁PS/FTP，或者靠某成文法律追
究它们的老板ferguson这样的人。而一旦这个草案通过，FTP/PS跑得会比兔子都快，参
考它们撤出WA。
还设了什么要拿license，必须已经拥有5年以上美国陆地赌场，跑马场经营历史什么的
，这明摆着是要PS/FTP去死，太夹带私货了，就算FTP现在买个什么壳，估计也不算。
该草案也很不成熟，缺乏大量如何具体收license fees，个人税的细节，比如光说个20
%，这个依据是什么? 如何"保证"政府的好处等等，这个都不是三言两语能说清楚的，
反对的政客很容易就找到理由。
至于15个月以后的3年，控制只能美国居民玩什么的就更是无稽，缺乏说服力。
对于美国玩家也不是好事，SSN等个人敏感信息全部会被报告给IRS。
再者，UIGEA之所以能出台... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 36302 | 15 Then, on April 15, 2011, in an event now known as “Black Friday”
throughout the poker world, the Department of Justice unsealed an indictment
against the chief executives of the three largest online poker providers in
the US market. The indictment set forth charges of violation of the UIGEA,
conspiracy, bank and wire fraud, and money laundering. Unsurprisingly,
most of the charges were premised on the underlying activity, online poker,
being illegal. Since no federal statute expressly forbade... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 hehe, read mike sexton's (the commentator of WPT) story yesterday. he got
introduced into poker hall of fame this year because of his big
contributions to the poker community over years. he envisioned the poker
boom 10 years ago and helped partypoker to launch to become the world's
biggest poker room (before UIGEA).
the funny thing is because of UIGEA and unknown future for online poker in
the u.s., he agreed with partypoker to "buy out" his stake in the company (
for a couple million $, maybe?) |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 haha, it's common and been discussed on 2+2.
beginning this dec., all u.s. banks are required to enforce UIGEA. many
banks sent this kind of emails to notify their customers, just to cover
their ass, no big deal.
the key word here is "knowingly accepting", and this is the most difficult (
if not impossible) part to implement UIGEA, how could a bank know the
deposit is from a poker site? since they all use some kinds of middle man
processors.
that:
, |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 18
1，wire很贵
2，美国银行账号的话UIGEA就能管了。FBI可以认为欧洲的那个账号和赌博有染然后禁
止美国银行处理
该交易。支票同理。payment processor的作用很大程度上是让银行认为交易并不落入
UIGEA禁止的
范围之内，而更改交易内容是bank fraud（是不是洗钱另外说）。整个BF期间FBI和DOJ
抓得最狠的
是bank fraud和money laundering，illegal gambling business都是次要的。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 只要UIGEA一天还在，就没有谁是合法的，敢说自己是合法的野鸡网站，你脚得呢？
BF之前，PS/FTP/AB几个，至少还有点信誉，至于UIGEA打击的存取钱这个违法的步骤，
大家心照不宣，也还算快速可靠。
出了事以后，FTP整出这么大轰动的屁漏，版上让坑了的好多位，这还是响当当的数一
数二的大站，其他的咱自己估量吧。
FBI还没有收手的架势，上个月刚又把bodog给查封了。
为这么点钱，还不知道拿得到不，而且绝大多数美国鱼都不玩了，你说值吗？ |
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发帖数: 15860 | 20 it's a gray area for now, since technically, you should NOT be able to get $
$$ in/out from sites via any financial institution (UIGEA act).
BUT, reality is tons of ppl are still playing and winning. a few states (
like CA) are legalizing onlike poker too. and a few others rule poker is a
game of skills, therefore UIGEA should not ban it.
since it's gray now, and all sites are NOT u.s. based, they don't send you
any tax forms or report to IRS.
BUT, officially, IRS requires everyone to report any |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 21 就这个bill， the Internet Gambling Prohibition, Poker Consumer Protection,
and Strengthening UIGEA Act of 2011， by Joe Barton |
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发帖数: 15860 | 22 it's a valid concern but for myself, i only care about the huge potentials
for now or at least mid term.
they have a partnership with casino giant bwin.party. partypoker was the #1
poker site before 2006 or when UIGEA act was introduced. they quit U.S.
market right after and pokerstars/fulltilt took over everything "illegally"
until FBI shut them down. partypoker even paid U.S. gov $300 millions in
fine (of course in anticipation of future legal return to the U.S. market).
now pokerstars (the bi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 15860 | 23 not exactly.
pokerstars (plus former fulltilt poker) has the most mature software and
reputation around the world, but they'll face an uphill battle for their
illegal operation in the U.S. between 2006 (UIGEA) and 2010. for example, NV
's bill has banned any company who did such business for 5 years.
for pokerstars, they still have unfinished lawsuit with DOJ and need to pay
back all bad debts of fulltilt. no state will easily grant them a license
until this is over.
other small players like cak... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 是不太现实，比如转钱到FT，都是通过五花八门，随机的第三方代转的，要银行，信用
卡公司的系统一个个BLOCK掉，很困难也很没有价值。
that
will |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 25 fxxk uigea :)
names
career
they
,
and |
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发帖数: 6301 | 26 Frank bill gets committe approval
September 16th, 2008
It’s not a huge victory, but it’s a victory nonetheless. Poker players
today saw what will hopefully be the first of many legislative triumphs on
the path to clarifying the legal status of online poker in the United States
as a bill by Rep. Barney Frank cleared the House Committee on Financial
Services today.
The Payments System Protection Act (H.R. 6870), introduced by Frank,
essentially seeks to force clarification of the UIGEA. According |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 经济不景气 hehe, a few more:
1) no dealer mistakes, like accidently mucking the winning hand or misdeals;
2) no floor arguments or table fights (like the old man got killed last year
at Taj Mahal);
3) no smelly opponents, like one guy was kicked out from borgata this year
because he played a few days straight without bathing;
but a few big cons too:
1) easy to get addicted since you tend to play more often. so even stakes
might be lower, you may lose even more than you think;
2) with UIGEA, you may run the |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 28 that was way before the UIGEA... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 俺在online玩起步很晚，晚到UIGEA(unlawful internet gambling enforcement act)
出台以后，很多人都收官以后了才开始摸索，时间已经过了网络扑克汹涌澎湃的那些黄
金年月。
不玩的原因很简单，俺觉得计算机发牌不如人工“可靠”。
玩的原因也很简单，每次去大西洋城来回6小时的路太费时间精力，成本也高，油钱，
DEALER小费，toll等等加起来，每次不多，累计起来惊人。
最初在PokerStars放了100块，玩很小的cash games，很快“倾家荡产”。玩得极loose
，也很不适应不面对真人的玩法。micro games也有很多没什么本钱，但是很能日复一
日grind的牌手，水平未见得差，俺这种菜鸟上去被屠杀是难免的。
又试着放了100块，只玩10块以下的small tournaments，这回虽然没赢钱，但是好歹多
熬了2礼拜，光光。
退出，结论：“online和自己想的一样，有鬼！”
继续大西洋城之旅，继续lunch games...轮回，又觉得时间精力消耗大...
换家网上poker room吧，俺在万恶的UltimateBet放了 |
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发帖数: 6301 | 30 Oops. Did Congress accidentally legalize cyber gambling?
Federal regulations issued Wednesday to enforce a law passed two years ago
by Congress aimed at outlawing internet gambling might achieve precisely the
opposite effect.
Faithful to the broad strokes of the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement
Act of 2006, the Treasury department’s controversial 121-page rule exempts
intrastate cyber gambling that is authorized by sovereign states or tribes,
and sanctions online wagering under federal int |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 31 February 21
3:26am - Barney Frank was quoted as saying to expect the new bill to repeal
the UIGEA next month. Also here is J. Todd's Perspective weekly video recap
. He talks about how the EU wants to fight the US over internet gambling...
.again and more about the Betcha.com guy, which I never really followed in
the first place. |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 32 I deposited $50 there in the spring 2006, got lucky and hit one of their 5B
hands promotion, and started my online casino bonus whore since then. the
golden time didn't last long and I withdrew the majority of my roll there
right before UIGEA. haven't played at ps for years, but still have a couple
grands sitting there.
i can definately help if you need transfer a small amount between ps and ft.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 哈哈，又要敲长篇了，只是初级指南，覆盖新开户的一些问题，避免吃亏走弯路，欢迎
老手们指正更新。
注1：截至目前(2010年3月)，网络扑克目前属于灰色领域，UIGEA法案(Unlawful Internet
Gambling Enforcement Act)的出台，禁止在美国的金融机构帮助牌手，站点之间转钱交易，
但是并没有明确说明个人玩网络扑克属于非法。部分州如WA等则有相关法律禁止，但是
目前在执行力度上也有问题。部分参众议员也在争取修改法案，明确说明网络扑克的是非，
甚至全面合法化。
更多英文版简介：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_poker
对于具体问题，请查询各自地区法律，本文不涉及此方面问题。
注2：网络扑克虽然属于主要基于技术的游戏，但是如果涉及金钱，还是在赌博的范畴
，所以个人需谨慎，参与前多学习考虑，量力而行，不要沉迷。
1. Full Tilt Poker(以下简称FTP)是什么？ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 UIGEA has been postpond 6 month |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 35 MA state law允许online poker吗？刚才搜新闻说patrick州长在MA盖赌场的bill里有
一条是禁止online poker...而且联邦法UIGEA act六月就要生效了... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 MA具体的土政策不知道，但是印象里那几个明确说了的没有MA。
UIGEA其实和online poker没有关系，禁的是(在美国的)金融机构不能帮牌手转钱，打
牌赢钱本身并不犯法。 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 37 也就是说UIGEA只是禁止美国国内金融机构和poker site(ftp等)有直接资金往来，那牌
手withdraw的时候怎么办？经过第三方？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 yes, and it's how currrently it works.
poker sites use many such middle processors to transfer funds, and that's
why last year FBI seized big funds from some processors.
some said UIGEA will be next to impossible to implement becasue it's so easy
to set up such a processor, and there're thousands of banks in the u.s.,
many of which don't have enough resources/capabilities to block all these
transactions. and some financial instituions like VISA/MC/West Union/etc.,
they're international (not u.s. |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 39 Hope it is not an April fool story.
http://www.compatiblepoker.com/poker-rumors/party-poker-merges-with-888-for-us-market-return/3577
Party Poker Merges With 888 For US Market Return?
Written by Maria T | Thursday, April 1st, 2010
Just released was a short news release by the CE of P of both PartyGaming (
Party Poker) and 888 Holdings (Pacific Poker) to return to the US online
gambling market. Effective immediately after the UIGEA will become law and
the Federal Reserve will announce final guide |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 it doesn't matter.
e-check is no different than regular check, with all accounting/routing #
information.
all poker sites use 3rd party processors to issue checks. so it's like FTP
pays me, and i pay you. it's very hard to track down.
and, in the worst case, the trouble is for banks/processors (this is all
UIGEA about), not illegal at all for individuals.
FBI cracked a few times on some of these processors before, and each time
FTP re-issued new check with some bonus as compensation for delays ( |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 几点杂感。
除了高不可攀的如david chiu, johnny chan等人，和网络无法考证的中国玩家，fcf的
确是俺孤漏寡闻知道的一个另类。
不知道别人，俺耗了3年，只能说属于很平庸的，还在1/2NL, 50NL，micro stake
tournament这样的低级别grind，虽然论战绩，一年下来有个一万，还能的确比那75%的
强。看怎么定义聪明和努力了，但俺觉得总体不行。
看了cardplayer上起码有100个高手的经历，俺以前归纳过，3年似乎真是个坎，3年没
咋的的(不管什么原因)，再给3年也白搭。
经济差，扑克也受很大影响，UIGEA打击也很大，熬到现在的玩家，俺不敢说还有多少
真是fish, donk，长期送钱的角色，谁对谁真有多大的edge。
咱可能打了几手牌，觉得某个玩家很鱼，其实很可能只是盲人摸象而已。俺现在给谁
记笔记，都争取客观一些，而且如果一个玩家有一阵不见了，最新的动态俺也争取及
时更新，大家都在进步。PLO只所以被炒作要流行(其实也没咋的)，其实的确是因为
NLHE这些年给人吃得很透。
很多pros自己也承认，一年下来其实主要是靠bonus和rake... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 live里面要长期赢钱而且赢大钱，确实很难，因为时间消耗巨大，毕竟，一个小时20把
撑死，又不能同时N桌，非职业的又不可能每个周末都泡在赌场，而且，除了象LV，AC
等少数地方，很难找到比较大一些的stakes(比如5/10NL)，很多游戏如stud什么的都不
一定够人，开的得出一两张桌子来。
online稍微好些，毕竟任何时间都可以玩，比较灵活，数量也可以玩很多桌，很多不同
游戏。对于很多起步的玩家，全美国你都找不到一个赌场可以让你玩几块钱buy-in，几
千人的比赛，或者$20就可以练手的cash game。但是UIGEA对online的打击很大，活生
生把一个星火燎原的poker boom给打下去了，现在剩下的人，远不是05，06那时候万千
鲤鱼送钱的年代了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 easy, once it's passed, the state can charge you legally, unlike UIGEA,
which only targets at banks and worst case, $10K fine for each case, no jail
time.
FTP retreated from WA like a chicken. |
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发帖数: 15860 | 44 yes, this bill, if passed, won't prevent NJers to play on other sites 100%,
but:
1) now NJ got a legal base to go after sites like FTP. this is much stronger
than UIGEA, which is only a regulation against banks. they now can sue FTP
internationally which FTP won't want to see. just like in WA, FTP won't risk
this for big potential troubles for just one state;
2) it would be a risk for NJ players. after all, even the risk may be not
that big, but who would take a criminal charge (if caught) for s... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 15860 | 45 i feel the whole poker player pool is just drying out, even worse than 2
years ago (let alone pre UIGEA):
1) the deposit/withdrawal is still a big hassle after they stoppped u.s.
credit card processing, and FBI is catching their e-check middle processors.
after all, u.s. is still the #1 donk pool, far ahead of others;
2) the remaining players are either getting better or busted forever. like
the TJo guy with your AA, yes, he may have done that before, and did it
again this time. but do you reall... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 15860 | 46 it's not a bad idea in general for FTP, because i've noticed many of their
guaranteed MTTs are short of players, and FTP has to pay a lot in overlay
these days.
for example, fifty-fifty, 50K guarantee ($50+5), normally only about 900
players (FTP needs at least 1K ppl to break even).
they have tried to solve this for a while, by adding longer late-reg etc.,
but still, in such a bad economy and with tightened UIGEA, fewer ppl are
playing now. |
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发帖数: 15860 | 47 if you play rush cash games, their happy hours are more often now, plus the
regular happy hours, 2x is almost everywhere even i'm not a black card
member.
the whole business is getting very tough. just got an email from PS telling
me that my last deposit (small, just to play home games there) never went
through to my bank (maybe UIGEA block), so basically i "freerolled". |
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发帖数: 15860 | 48 welcome, new faces!
warning: it'll be a LOOOOONG way ahead, be aware of that, lol.
disclaimer: check your local legislation to make sure online poker is not
illegal, and be aware of UIGEA.
1) either FTP or PS will be fine, they're the two most reputable and largest
sites. before you sign up with FTP, make sure you read about FAQ and
rakeback.
we have weekly games on FTP and cash game on PS on sat., feel free to watch
or join us.
2) HUD, here more guys use holdem manager.
3) tourney books, harrin... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 15860 | 49 同意你说得，现在打牌的大环境实在是很糟糕，可惜俺们这伙人没有赶上06年以前的那
波大浪。
想当年，没有UIGEA骚扰，倒是有moneymaker的活生生样板，存钱取钱信用卡随便刷，
大小赌场风起云涌，拼命红利拉客，游戏本身也还没被吃得那么透...
现在，活者的少数跟过街老鼠一样，三天两头存取款出问题，非法合法争论不休，鲨多
鱼少，挣点小菜钱真不够折腾的。
think |
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发帖数: 15860 | 50 纯属个人无稽之谈，没有任何根据。
这件事情是不以人民的意志为转移的，是早晚都要来的。
自从06年UIGEA的出台，到巨无霸partypoker被迫退出美国，还交了3个亿罚款给美国政
府，把最大赢利的美国市场拱手让给FTP和PS那天起，就注定了总有一天以FBI为急先锋
的美国政府要收拾这几个打擦边球的家伙的，不是不搞，时间不好。
FBI其实很仁义，08，10年已经连续两次大行动收拾了它们的中间商和银行，没收了几
千万美元，封锁了信用卡，ewallet等支付手段，这绝对不是作戏看的。个人估计FBI在
这几个站点可能都有冒充牌友的特务，收集证据，所以能够在短时间摸清资金的进出渠
道，象这次一举打掉多达75个这样的中间商和银行账号。想想也是，和毒品军火打交道
的FBI，这点事情太区区了。
目前虽然抓了人，但是人家老板财大气粗，可以预见，一场旷日持久，耗资巨大的官司
就要出现，没个年把几年，根本不可能有结果。
而在这个过程中，估计很大可能还会继续“灰色”下去，只不过确实存取款都会有很大
难度，和延误。一方面可能中间商敢继续唯利是图挑战FBI的越来越少，一方面牌友因
为存取款极不方便和对资金的不放... 阅读全帖 |
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