w***r
发帖数: 45 | 1 well,任何专制国家都是这样的。
二战前及二战中的日本，也是这样子的。
这都是政客的把戏，
但遭殃的却是普通老百姓。不管他/她是德国人、日本人、还是美国人。 |
|
D*******o
发帖数: 3229 | 2 I have watched the movie for several times. This social system may be an
optimum solution, but will never be realized in the U.S. |
|
m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 3
It's too utopian (as Heinlein is often criticized for this novel). Who gets
to decide who contributed how much is an incredibly tough question.
Well the next logical question would be, if I pay more taxes than you do,
shouldn't my vote have more weight than yours? |
|
m********a
发帖数: 12601 | 4 你说的这个没有必然的联系吧
美国这样的，公民就有投票权
也没有发展成为，新移民投票权低，老移民投票权高啊
星舰里提供的只是一个投票的准入门槛
gets |
|
f******a
发帖数: 148 | 5 Well, I think you got part of it wrong.
Citizenship is not given because people contributed to society, but about
having been educated in the arm forces.
In that world, arm forces is not only about serving the society, it is about
teaching the recruits social responsiblity and individual sacrifice. So
only those educated in such and passed get citizenship.
Also government is required to find a place for you to serve if you
requested, so you can get "educated" even if you are not suitable for
mil |
|
c****8
发帖数: 8 | 6 It will be even better if government provide $ support to encourage educated
citizen to have more children and no extra benefit (or even penalize)
civilians who have more than one child. |
|
|
f******a
发帖数: 148 | 8 That would not be right ...
It is stressed in the book, civilians have the same rights as veterans ( "
educated" ), all except vote and position in the government ( include
teacher )
The point is right to democracy have to be earned, not born with.
Any other rights, like the rights of speech, right to live, right to pursue
a better life, those should be equal and everyone should have.
educated |
|
k*n
发帖数: 1203 | 9 very entertaining movie, 但是电影里人的智商值比那些bugs只高那么一点点。 |
|
|
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 11 支持只有交税才能投票，投多少可参考累进税制度防止大款狂投。 |
|
R******n
发帖数: 522 | 12 这个片子完全糟蹋了原作，小说比电影高出10条长安街 |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 13 嗯, 觉得这个对, 就是citizen是要earned, 不是borne with it.
pursue |
|
b**********t
发帖数: 353 | 14 这个制度好？日本以前也有这样的制度，结果就是军国主义；中国以前不也是这个制度
吗，划分阶级，根不正苗不红的不能入党当领导，黑五类的都去劳改.....
政治制度的基本原则是为社会各个不同的利益集团提供公平的竞争环境，而不是人为的
划分阶级区别对待.......... |
|
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 15 在民权运动以前，妇女以及非白人都没有投票权。
一个良好的制度一定要照顾到少数人权利，
以交税多少来投票？那不是穷人琏投票这个发言权也没有了？
穷人得穷一世了。 |
|
C*********g
发帖数: 3728 | 16 这简直是......这部电影虚拟了一个法西斯社会，意义在于反讽。居然有人把反话当真
了...... |
|
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 18 日本以前有这个制度? 你太搞笑了, 日本人以前可以投票选举嘛?
中国? 中国人什么时候可以投票选举的? 你告诉我? 不要跟我说台湾哦, 台湾不是中
国.
你没有看过那本书吧? 里面根本没有什么阶级的, 任何人成年了都有自己的选择的. 没
有人强迫他. 书里面的主人公就是老爸要他去Harvard, 他选择参军. |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 19 嘿嘿, 那现在50%的人不交税, 你是说这些人为什么穷的? 是自己不努力工作还是怎么
样? 现在很多富人都是穷人来的, 你说这些富人是因为他们可以投票才变富的? 搞笑吧. |
|
b**********t
发帖数: 353 | 20 日本以前是武士以上的阶层才能参与政治，中国是只有党员才能参与政治，他们就是你
说的那个citizen阶层，结果呢？
政治权利是跟利益分配紧密相连的，否则就没有政治了。按你的那个理想，只有参军的
或为社会做出某种贡献的才有投票权，结果自然就是划了两个阶级，citizen阶级自然
会为自己牟利，另一个阶级的利益就会被不断剥夺，结果就是社会差距越来愈大，看看
现在的国内，你喜欢那样的制度？
人本来就是多种多样的，你喜欢奋斗进取、拼命工作，但不等于别人也要跟你一样，你
看不惯领救济的老黑，觉得人家懒惰、是社会的蛀虫，可是那不代表你能剥夺他们的基
本权利，一个社会是应该能在一定程度上容忍不同的人的，否则现在还是中世纪呢 |
|
|
|
s******b
发帖数: 653 | 23 你偷换了概念，日本和中国的那是特权阶级：狗官即使生了条狗出来，那条狗也是官的
儿子，也属于特权阶级。
lz讨论的是按个人能力划分阶层。如果真的可以理想到出生时人人平等，但人人都可以
通过自身努力进入特权阶级，对懒人，无能的人是坏事，对整个社会不觉得有什么不妥。 |
|
|
P*******e
发帖数: 96 | 25 星船伞兵是反讽？Heilein是纳粹？你看过moon is a harsh mistress和stranger from
a strange place没有？
今天刷新智商下限的又是左棍，预计这种情况还得持续一段时间。 |
|
m********a
发帖数: 12601 | 26 你这个问题书里面也有讨论
书里面的论调是
当作为一个军人，经过了他们那样的训练和经历
就会自觉的全面的看问题
当然，这个结论的来源有点问题
不过基本你能问出来的，书里面都有
你先看书吧 |
|
O******n
发帖数: 1505 | 27 扯淡也不是这么扯法。海因莱因是公认的自由主义者。 |
|
|
d******a
发帖数: 32122 | 29 如果懒惰的人不去通过制度抢夺勤快人的劳动果实，那当然无所谓
问题就是这帮人吃别人的 |
|
d******a
发帖数: 32122 | 30 如果懒惰的人不去通过制度抢夺勤快人的劳动果实，那当然无所谓
问题就是这帮人吃别人的 |
|
m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 31
Well you may be right in principle. The problem is that
some people keep trying to redefine what "基本权利" covers. |
|
m******t
发帖数: 2416 | 32
from
+1. Especially see Jubal Harshaw in Stranger in a Strange Land
who is essentially a dramatized version of Heinlein himself. |
|
|
s***d
发帖数: 960 | 34 MA State trooper (州警),年收入是10万到12万.报纸上报道过.
highway |
|
p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 35 Followup: Motorcyclist wins taping case against Maryland state police
by Jeremy Korzeniewski (RSS feed) on Sep 28th 2010 at 1:31PM
Anthony Graber meets the Maryland State Police – Click above to watch video
after the jump
Score one for the good guys. Not that we think police in general are bad
guys or anything, but after watching this video of a Maryland state trooper
jumping out of his unmarked car in plain clothes while brandishing a gun, we
're not exactly keen to put him in the good guy cate |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 36 May 19, 2012 by Shawn Mallow
I caught this two days ago.
Republican New Jersey Governor Chris Christie (Thank God!) and Democratic
superstar Newark Mayor Cory Booker, teamed up for this surprisingly funny
skit.
For a little back-story, Mayor Booker ‘Tweeted’ his snow-shoveling efforts
during our 2010 Dump-of-the-Century here in New Jersey (Though, there was
widespread condemnation of the over-all Newark response.). This April,
Booker courageously ran into a neighbor’s house, saving a resident.... 阅读全帖 |
|
k**l
发帖数: 2966 | 37 或者说理论依据，是starship trooper这个科幻小说（电影）
小说假设了人类正在不断被外星虫族小规模侵略，部分要为人类为生存权打仗
在这个背景下，只赋予退伍兵的投票权，以下是小说摘抄 （转自电影版）
萨利没有照本宣科。最后瑞得少校打断了他。“明天上课带一份总结来，三千字。
索罗门先生，给我一个理由——不是从历史的观点，也不是纯理论的观点，要从现实出
发——说明为什么今天的公民权只颁给退伍军人？”
“嗯，因为他们是经过精心挑选的，长官。他们更聪明。”
“荒谬！”
“长官？”
“也许这个词对你来说太深奥了？我说的是你的观点太蠢了。
军人并不比平民更聪明。在很多方面，平民聪明得多。这也是新德里条约签署前的
政变的合理之处，那场所谓的‘科学家的起义’的因由，似乎是只要知识精英领导国家
，我们就会进入乌托邦。当然，那个愚蠢企图彻底失败了。因为科学的追求尽管能带来
社会效益，但它本身并不是一种社会美德。从事这一行业的可能是完全没有社会责任感
、极度自我中心的人。我给了你提示，先生，你听懂我的提示了吗？“
萨利回答道：“唔，军人都是有纪律的人，长官。”
瑞得少校对他还算温和。“对不起。你的... 阅读全帖 |
|
r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 38 A former Navy SEAL who wrote "American Sniper," a best-selling book about
his lethal career as a marksman in Iraq, was shot to death with another man
at a gun range near Stephenville, Texas, on Saturday.
Chris Kyle, 38, and the other man were found dead at the shooting range of
Rough Creek Lodge on Saturday afternoon, Texas Highway Patrol spokesman
Lonny Haschel told KXAS.
The gunman, identified as Eddie Ray Routh of Lancaster, Texas, was arrested
after a brief pursuit, Trooper Haschel said. The... 阅读全帖 |
|
S*********g
发帖数: 24893 | 39 From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from
media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and
have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are
saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you
knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified
by the LAPD and the media. Unfor... 阅读全帖 |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 40 By: Raquel Okyay
3/23/2014 03:02 PM
Garden State advocates for restoring gun rights are white knuckling as
Republican Gov. Christopher J. Christie decides how to game harsh gun
legislation Democrats dropped in his in box.
“Over 100 pro-gun right supporters attended the Assembly Law and Public
Safety committee hearing on March 13 and over 80 of us testified in great
detail against the magazine capacity ban,” said Frank Jack Fiamingo,
president of The New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
“We ma... 阅读全帖 |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 41 尼玛当初的枪击案不讲是恐怖袭击,硬要说成是work place violence. 现在又来了. 看
尼玛怎么洗地.
Shooting with casualties reported at Ft. Hood
Published April 02, 2014
FoxNews.com
An "active shooter" incident with casualties at Ft. Hood has left at least
two people injured, officials said.
A senior law enforcement official told Fox News that it is believed one
shooter has been “neutralized,” and authorities believe there may be
another shooter in the vicinity.
At least two people were reported to be taken to a hospital but there was... 阅读全帖 |
|
t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 42 嗯，这些选民连续傻逼了太多年了：
Bush's Record of Shame
George W. Bush's past is, to say the very least, shady. He stands as the
only American president with a criminal record. As the new hero of the party
that, prior to his election, touted "character" as the ultimate defining
characteristic of any American president, this Republican icon's past
demonstrates a man who is chronically definitively bereft of character, to
say the least.
This record chornicles Bush's less-than-reputable past up to the year 2001,
i... 阅读全帖 |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 43 September 30, 2014 - 6:36 PM
Associated Press
FRACKVILLE, Pa. (AP) — A man serving life in prison for killing a
Philadelphia police officer in 1981 has been selected as a commencement
speaker at his Vermont alma mater.
Goddard College, a liberal arts college in Plainfield with 600 students,
says on its website that Mumia Abu-Jamal's recorded remarks will be played
Sunday at a commencement, along with a video about him.
Bob Kenny, the school's interim president, is quoted on the website as
saying... 阅读全帖 |
|
k**l
发帖数: 2966 | 44 我承认我是从Starship Troopers里借来的idea
里面解释是自愿参军的人在人生中的一段时间里愿意为人类牺牲自己的安全，所以退伍
军人才能投票，建立了一个虽不完美，但最稳定的社会
现实世界里战争没那么多，也不是为了全人类的利益打的，所以退伍军人投票这个没法
实现。 |
|
T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 45 不仅拒捕，还打警察
Harry Reid's brother arrested, accused of punching trooper |
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 46 MYTH BUSTED: Actually, Yes, Hitler Was a Socialist Liberal
Courtney Kirchoff Thursday January 28 2016
A favorite tactic employed by leftists is to describe the Nazis as “right
wing,” with Adolf Hitler, their leader, as the grand leader of this “right
wing” movement. Rewriting history is pretty common for leftists, as their
history is littered with injustice (the KKK was founded by Democrats, did
you know?). Injustices they claim to fight against today. Awkward.
But thanks to this nifty thing cal... 阅读全帖 |
|
s*x
发帖数: 8041 | 47 你这跟Star Trooper里把citizen和civilian区别开差不多了，也就是政治权力不是天
生的，而是后天获得的，是privilege，不是right。其实这是民主和集权之间的中庸道
路，不过现阶段世界强调人人平等，不可能实现。 |
|
|
发帖数: 1 | 49 一个极度憎恨警察的黑人。 一个罪行累累的人。
"He had a lot of anger about the police in the past," she said. "He pretty
much thought he wanted to be infamous . . . in terms of having a showdown.
He always praised those people who got into shootouts with police."
Court records show James Brown III had been charged with murder, intent to
kill, aggravated battery with a firearm, failure to obey police, resisting a
corrections officer, aggravated battery of a pregnant woman, aggravated
battery of an unborn child, numerou... 阅读全帖 |
|
|
