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G***a
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来自主题: loseweight版 - 减腰侧运动(可以在家里进行)
(3) Back Extension on Mat
Muscles targeted: erector spinae, back extensors
ie face down on your front.
Extend your arms straight, keeping them by the sides of your head.
While keeping your hips intact with the floor, raise your upper body upwards
. Return to starting position and repeat. Do 12-15 reps.
G***a
发帖数: 27294
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来自主题: loseweight版 - 减腰侧运动(可以在家里进行)
(4)Opposite Arm and Leg Lifts
Muscles targeted: erector spinae, back extensors
Lie face down on the floor.
Extend your arms straight by the sides of your head.
While keeping your hips intact with the floor, raise your right arm and left
leg up towards the ceiling at the same time while keeping your hips intact
with the floor.
Return to starting position.
Alternate by raising your left arm and right leg up towards the ceiling at
the same time while keeping your hips intact with the floor.
Do this
b***m
发帖数: 2112
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来自主题: Running版 - 2016跑步周记-00
2016.1.25-1.31: H.H.-1第7周, 72km
1.25: 6k easy run。Pace接近5min/km,没有吃ibu,感觉不错。感觉左小腿在好转,
准备继续既定策略,10k以上吃ibu,然后慢慢递减直到完全康复。《Running
Technique》中提到the total activity of the various muscles (in order of
greatest to least activity):
1-Hamstring (62%)
2-Rectus Femoris (49%)
3-Intrinsic foot/lower leg muscles (38%)
4-Gastrocnemius (calf 33%)
5-Erector Spinae (back extensors 30%)
6-Tensor Fascia Late (TFL hip flexor 25%)
7-Quadriceps (21%)
8-Glute Medius (20%)
9-Iliacus hip flexor (17%)
10-Glute Maximus (13... 阅读全帖
b***m
发帖数: 2112
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来自主题: Running版 - 2016跑步周记-00
没什么特别的啊,健身房里的器材基本过一遍,练胸肌的基本免了。
19楼我给了个跑步时肌肉使用率的list:
1-Hamstring (62%)
2-Rectus Femoris (49%)
3-Intrinsic foot/lower leg muscles (38%)
4-Gastrocnemius (calf 33%)
5-Erector Spinae (back extensors 30%)
6-Tensor Fascia Late (TFL hip flexor 25%)
7-Quadriceps (21%)
8-Glute Medius (20%)
9-Iliacus hip flexor (17%)
10-Glute Maximus (13%)
我基本是按照上面这个主次顺序来练,内容包括仰卧起坐、spin bike、举重、平板、
平推、俯卧腿弯举、机械伸腿等等。
我的频度是平日子周一至周五每天中午练习20-30分钟,周末专注两个中长距离跑。平
时力量练习强度不太大,但是感觉对短距离跑的步幅提高不少。步幅增大(对肌肉力量
要求高)后跑步本身又反过来促进脚踝、小腿、大腿到核心部位... 阅读全帖
b***m
发帖数: 2112
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来自主题: Running版 - 2016跑步周记-00
2016.1.25-1.31: H.H.-1第7周, 72km
1.25: 6k easy run。Pace接近5min/km,没有吃ibu,感觉不错。感觉左小腿在好转,
准备继续既定策略,10k以上吃ibu,然后慢慢递减直到完全康复。《Running
Technique》中提到the total activity of the various muscles (in order of
greatest to least activity):
1-Hamstring (62%)
2-Rectus Femoris (49%)
3-Intrinsic foot/lower leg muscles (38%)
4-Gastrocnemius (calf 33%)
5-Erector Spinae (back extensors 30%)
6-Tensor Fascia Late (TFL hip flexor 25%)
7-Quadriceps (21%)
8-Glute Medius (20%)
9-Iliacus hip flexor (17%)
10-Glute Maximus (13... 阅读全帖
b***m
发帖数: 2112
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来自主题: Running版 - 2016跑步周记-00
没什么特别的啊,健身房里的器材基本过一遍,练胸肌的基本免了。
19楼我给了个跑步时肌肉使用率的list:
1-Hamstring (62%)
2-Rectus Femoris (49%)
3-Intrinsic foot/lower leg muscles (38%)
4-Gastrocnemius (calf 33%)
5-Erector Spinae (back extensors 30%)
6-Tensor Fascia Late (TFL hip flexor 25%)
7-Quadriceps (21%)
8-Glute Medius (20%)
9-Iliacus hip flexor (17%)
10-Glute Maximus (13%)
我基本是按照上面这个主次顺序来练,内容包括仰卧起坐、spin bike、举重、平板、
平推、俯卧腿弯举、机械伸腿等等。
我的频度是平日子周一至周五每天中午练习20-30分钟,周末专注两个中长距离跑。平
时力量练习强度不太大,但是感觉对短距离跑的步幅提高不少。步幅增大(对肌肉力量
要求高)后跑步本身又反过来促进脚踝、小腿、大腿到核心部位... 阅读全帖
h******y
发帖数: 1040
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来自主题: Weightlifting版 - 美女深蹲
This is her explanation, which sounds reasonable to me:
"My recommendation is 90 degrees to avoid excessive strain on the knees,
also, it is almost impossible to keep a neutral spine when going
lower. Almost everyone lets their low back round, which puts too much stress
on the erector spinae muscles."
v*****r
发帖数: 2325
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来自主题: Weightlifting版 - weighted pistol 和 BACK SQ的关系
tried +45 lbs yesterday, okay with 4 reps on right foot.
leg and knee strength is okay.
158+90 = 248... SQ 1RM number in theory is 250+
but DL is only 225.
tried taking down 275 from BP rack to floor, grip strength is okay
so the weakest link is still "Erector Spinae". not sure what muscle to
prevent spine left-right tilt ???... to stablize spine in left right
direction....
v*****r
发帖数: 2325
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来自主题: Weightlifting版 - DL问题
记得MASTER逍遥浪 DL 都快接近500LBS
让他讲讲如何增加 GRIP STRENGTH。。。
您太谦虚了, 换个角度 your erector spinae is too strong...
what's the weight you are lifting with grip aids?
做动作做到脸红脖子粗 加喊 是过头(INPROPER WEIGHT)的表现力吧??? 高手点评一
下吧...
sometimes 我有脸红脖子TENSE, 还有冲击 PR的频率最近高了一点。 我都在想会不会
升高血压。。。
昨天我开始全面WAVE DOWN 了。。。
y*****g
发帖数: 1822
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 曾师傅:《圣经》中的爱

《雅歌》第二章
良人赞美她就像荆棘中的百合花一样耀眼夺目。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_Songs
在 Palestrina 的经文歌 Sicut lilium 中, 诗句(拉丁语)解读好像和原文有点
不同。
Sicut lilium inter spina, ( 0.00 - 1.25 )
Like lily among thorns
sic amica mea, ( 1:26 - 1:32 )
so is my love
inter filias Adae, ( 2:32 )
among the daughters of Adam
Alleluia. ( 自3:34 )
在比较原来拉丁文翮翻译本 ( Chapter 2 , verse 2 )
http://latinitas.org/biblia/canticum.pdf
.. 除了仪式上所惯用的颂赞语( Alleluia )外,还加上亚当( Adae )的名字。 若是
把以上经文歌的句字翻译过来, 意思会否是: 我对亚当女儿们的爱, 就像荆棘中的百
合花一样? 而 "女儿... 阅读全帖
q*z
发帖数: 13362
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来自主题: PhotoGear版 - 震惊了,N+的两个F4这么杯具啊?

测的很详细,video的presentation也很强
google了一下,此人叫做Joseph Nicholas Spina
拥有nikon器材无数,但是专门黑N
G*********s
发帖数: 6786
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 挺肖传国的人太不可思议了
1. According to Dr. Xiao, he has "dedicated my live to SCI research since
1976" [1]. The animal studies on cats [2] and clinical trials of 15 patients
[3] are all for SCI.
2. Dr. Xiao's papers on SCI were published "in highly regarded western
journals" in 1999 and 2003, co-authored with Dr. de Groat, "the most
respected name in bladder physiology" [4]. We note that, in his recent
reviews [5, 6] on bladder function recovery after SCI, Dr. de Groat gave no
word to Dr. Xiao's work.
3. From 1999 to ... 阅读全帖
G*********s
发帖数: 6786
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 原来肖氏手术在美国已经被叫停了
Extensive discussion and rigorous debate ensued and closed out the first day
of the postgraduate course. The second day was dedicated to discussions
regarding how best to initiate trials in the U.S. and elsewhere. The
Beaumont, Atlanta and Tampa groups all presented proposed protocols. The
Tampa protocol is unique in that it proposes performing the procedure only
in the context of detethering a tethered spinal cord. Significant debate
about protocols ensued. There was a strong consensus of opini... 阅读全帖
w*l
发帖数: 2550
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 无耻的造谣:肖手术在美国被叫停?
方粉所谓的肖手术在美国被叫停:
“A total of nine patients were operated upon and their outcomes were
reviewed with up to a three-year follow-up. Dr. Peters reported that two
patients are no longer requiring catheterization and that seven of nine
patients have some measureable return of reflex. ”
9个手术,2个痊愈,7个好转,一个副作用明显。
肘腿子们,快去咬阿。
http://www.neurosurgery.org/xiaoS09.asp
The Xiao procedure has been performed in the United States by a group from
William Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Mich., led by urologist Ken P... 阅读全帖
G*********s
发帖数: 6786
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Nerve Rerouting Treatment for Neurogenic Bladder in Spina Bifida
This study is not yet open for participant recruitment.
Verified August 2011 by William Beaumont Hospitals
First Received on March 23, 2010. Last Updated on August 19, 2011
History of Changes
p********k
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这是肖传国自己说的:
3, What means 80% effective rate:
The effective rate included cured and improved, Cured means cath free,
infection free, no need for anticholineric (detropen)and residual urine
volume less than 100 ml. If residual urine is more than 100 with reduced UTI
, we classify it as improved.
4, Complications of Xiao Procedure
There is no complication for SCI generally, except very few incomplete cases
with special condition that I have to use one third of a functioning L5 or
S1. This will caus... 阅读全帖
G*********s
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你确定你回答了我的问题?

Spina
w**a
发帖数: 4743
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我现在只讨论09年的,OK?
这篇正规paper ( not ppt) 论述的是手术后超过一年的情况.
肖医生拿2000多病人当老鼠的时候,有没有等一年以上的时间?

Spina
w**a
发帖数: 4743
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先把09年的事情摘清楚。
1. 中文引用部分是否撒谎了?
2. 是否和郑州大学的数据不吻合?
3. 是否利用这虚假数据给2000多病人做了手术?

Spina
G*********s
发帖数: 6786
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你确定你回答了我的问题?

Spina
w**a
发帖数: 4743
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我现在只讨论09年的,OK?
这篇正规paper ( not ppt) 论述的是手术后超过一年的情况.
肖医生拿2000多病人当老鼠的时候,有没有等一年以上的时间?

Spina
w**a
发帖数: 4743
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先把09年的事情摘清楚。
1. 中文引用部分是否撒谎了?
2. 是否和郑州大学的数据不吻合?
3. 是否利用这虚假数据给2000多病人做了手术?

Spina
W**H
发帖数: 716
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 挺老肖的解释一下吧
我全部拷贝过来了,他们做了两次,第一次两个病人,6个月以后,反射弧都成功了,
15个月以后,停了药和导尿管。没有并发症。第二次,9个病人,一年以后,7个病人能
通过皮肤刺激导尿,但是没有一个能完全控尿,两个病人能下导尿管。其他两个手术带
来的好处一是肠功能,二是膀胱sensation。另,这9个病人中有一个 产生了垂足的后
果。除此外,没有其他的并发症发生。
从这些数据,可以看出,
1,反射弧形成的比例相当高,第一次,2/2, 第二次, 7/9 能自主小便。
2, 不能完全改善: 第一次,2/2停了药和导尿管;第二次,0/9可以完全自主导尿,2/9下了导尿管。
3, 其他好处: 肠功能,膀胱sensation
4, 并发症,或副作用,第一次, 0/2, 第二次: 1/9 垂足。
North American Studies
There have been attempts to replicate the Xiao procedure in
the United States. The first trial involved two traumatic SCI
patients—a ... 阅读全帖
W**H
发帖数: 716
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 挺老肖的解释一下吧
我全部拷贝过来了,他们做了两次,第一次两个病人,6个月以后,反射弧都成功了,
15个月以后,停了药和导尿管。没有并发症。第二次,9个病人,一年以后,7个病人能
通过皮肤刺激导尿,但是没有一个能完全控尿,两个病人能下导尿管。其他两个手术带
来的好处一是肠功能,二是膀胱sensation。另,这9个病人中有一个 产生了垂足的后
果。除此外,没有其他的并发症发生。
从这些数据,可以看出,
1,反射弧形成的比例相当高,第一次,2/2, 第二次, 7/9 能自主小便。
2, 不能完全改善: 第一次,2/2停了药和导尿管;第二次,0/9可以完全自主导尿,2/9下了导尿管。
3, 其他好处: 肠功能,膀胱sensation
4, 并发症,或副作用,第一次, 0/2, 第二次: 1/9 垂足。
North American Studies
There have been attempts to replicate the Xiao procedure in
the United States. The first trial involved two traumatic SCI
patients—a ... 阅读全帖
D*******a
发帖数: 1723
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科普一下肖氏反射弧和目前临床试验进展
1.脊柱裂,脊髓脊膜膨出,截瘫患者排尿困难,持续膀胱高压造成肾积水损害肾功能,
只能反复插拔尿管排尿,反复泌尿系统感染,最后尿毒症死亡占截瘫死亡的60-80%。所
以能否摆脱尿管就是患者生死的关键。
肖氏反射弧的手术目的就是能让患者拔掉尿管,能自主排尿。所以,判断这个手术成功
与否只有一个标准,就是能不能摆脱尿管自主排尿而且肾功能不受损。
2.肖传国自己声称手术成功率是87%。方舟子号称该手术治愈率为0
3. 看看美国人的临床试验结果。
William Beaumont Hospital, Kennith Peters主持的手术,1年后(2009年)的临床观察
结果发表在泌尿杂志上,9个患者有2个拔掉尿管,剩下7个有刺激皮节膀胱压升高
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20639040
J Urol. 2010 Aug;184(2):702-7. Epub 2010 Jun 19.
Outcomes of lumbar to sacral nerve rerouting for spina bifida.
At ... 阅读全帖
D*******a
发帖数: 1723
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科普一下肖氏反射弧和目前临床试验进展
1.脊柱裂,脊髓脊膜膨出,截瘫患者排尿困难,持续膀胱高压造成肾积水损害肾功能,
只能反复插拔尿管排尿,反复泌尿系统感染,最后尿毒症死亡占截瘫死亡的60-80%。所
以能否摆脱尿管就是患者生死的关键。
肖氏反射弧的手术目的就是能让患者拔掉尿管,能自主排尿。所以,判断这个手术成功
与否只有一个标准,就是能不能摆脱尿管自主排尿而且肾功能不受损。
2.肖传国自己声称手术成功率是87%。方舟子号称该手术治愈率为0
3. 看看美国人的临床试验结果。
William Beaumont Hospital, Kennith Peters主持的手术,1年后(2009年)的临床观察
结果发表在泌尿杂志上,9个患者有2个拔掉尿管,剩下7个有刺激皮节膀胱压升高
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20639040
J Urol. 2010 Aug;184(2):702-7. Epub 2010 Jun 19.
Outcomes of lumbar to sacral nerve rerouting for spina bifida.
At ... 阅读全帖
W*****s
发帖数: 684
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Further experimental studies are still required, notably with animals to
confirm the encouraging results of these initial studies, and to better
understand the mechanism before possible routine patient use.
Xiao hammer!
Bladder reinnervation with creation of a "somato-autonomic" reflex pathway
in spinal cord injured or spina bifida, a new way for treatment?
Nouhaud, F.-X.a , Caremel, R.a , Leroi, A.-M.b , Grise, P.a
a Service d'urologie, CHU de Rouen, 1, rue de Germont, 76000 Rouen, France
b... 阅读全帖
W*****s
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Further experimental studies are still required, notably with animals to
confirm the encouraging results of these initial studies, and to better
understand the mechanism before possible routine patient use.
Xiao hammer!
Bladder reinnervation with creation of a "somato-autonomic" reflex pathway
in spinal cord injured or spina bifida, a new way for treatment?
Nouhaud, F.-X.a , Caremel, R.a , Leroi, A.-M.b , Grise, P.a
a Service d'urologie, CHU de Rouen, 1, rue de Germont, 76000 Rouen, France
b... 阅读全帖
W*****s
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Further experimental studies are still required, notably with animals to
confirm the encouraging results of these initial studies, and to better
understand the mechanism before possible routine patient use.
Xiao hammer!
Bladder reinnervation with creation of a "somato-autonomic" reflex pathway
in spinal cord injured or spina bifida, a new way for treatment?
Nouhaud, F.-X.a , Caremel, R.a , Leroi, A.-M.b , Grise, P.a
a Service d'urologie, CHU de Rouen, 1, rue de Germont, 76000 Rouen, France
b... 阅读全帖
m******x
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欺负法官没学过英文?
2010年8月,美国的《泌尿学杂志》(The Journal of Urology)刊载的《脊柱裂病人
腰椎至骶骨神经重建手术》(Outcomes of Lumbar to Sacral Nerve Rerouting for
Spina Bifida)的结论应该是正面的,而不是像方舟子说的。
1年后新的反射弧可见于大多数病人。可以观察到排尿和肠道功能改善。 下肢无力,除
了一例,大多数具有自限性。需要更多的病例和更长时间的随访来评估这项新技术的风
险/效益比。
At 1 year a novel reflex arc with stimulation of the appropriate dermatome
was seen in the majority of subjects. Improvements in voiding and bowel
function were noted. Lower extremity weakness was mostly self-limited,
except in 1 subject with a persisten... 阅读全帖
m**x
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肖氏手术国外临床试验情况
作者:羽矢
肖传国对国外医生吹嘘肖氏手术是中国各大医院每天都做的常规手术,成功率接近
90%,国外几家机构因此上当受骗而进行或准备进行临床试验。反过来,肖又在国内歪
曲国外试验情况欺骗公众和媒体、做虚假宣传诱骗患者。例如,肖雇凶落网前谎称美国
最初9个病人的3年结果“9个大便功能都正常了,7个小便正常了”,出狱后吹嘘“美国
病人的结果比我们中国的还好”。
目前,德国Tubingen大学和美国Beaumont医院的先期试验已经结束。除Beaumont一
年结果外,尚无同行评议论文发表,但长期试验结果现已公布。其中,德国8例脊髓损
伤患者全部失败,无一能通过刺激皮肤引发排尿,“无一达到自主排尿的试验目标”,
结果与肖以前报告的“完完全全不同”。美国2例脊髓损伤患者也都“无改善”,包括
2006年底试验开始时FoxNews等新闻机构铺天盖报道过的瘫痪大学生KevinBryant。美国
9例脊柱裂一年后“无一能完全自主控尿”,被同行专家评价为“临床疗效与肖此前所
报告的截然不同”;三年后也并非肖传国曾谎称的“9个大便功能都正常了,7个小便正
常了”,而是2例失访、“6... 阅读全帖
D*******a
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你第一句话就撒谎,美国Beaumont Hospital, Kennith Peters主持的肖氏手术临床试
验,三年期7人6个拔掉尿管。
我实在不明白,明摆着的事实,你为什么要撒谎???
你是不是拿钱发帖,大家自己判断
发信人: Dogerella (Cherry), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 肖传国手术成功率87%,方舟子0,美国初期临床试验85.7%
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Mar 9 22:15:34 2012, 美东)
科普一下肖氏反射弧和目前临床试验进展
1.脊柱裂,脊髓脊膜膨出,截瘫患者排尿困难,持续膀胱高压造成肾积水损害肾功能,
只能反复插拔尿管排尿,反复泌尿系统感染,最后尿毒症死亡占截瘫死亡的60-80%。所
以能否摆脱尿管就是患者生死的关键。
肖氏反射弧的手术目的就是能让患者拔掉尿管,能自主排尿。所以,判断这个手术成功
与否只有一个标准,就是能不能摆脱尿管自主排尿而且肾功能不受损。
2.肖传国自己声称手术成功率是87%。方舟子号称该手术治愈率为0
3. 看看美国人的临床试验结果。
William Beaumont Hospital,... 阅读全帖
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肖氏手术国外临床试验情况
2012年03月24日 17:10:07分类:未分类
肖氏手术国外临床试验情况
作者:羽矢
肖传国对国外医生吹嘘肖氏手术是中国各大医院每天都做的常规手术,成功率接近
90%,国外几家机构因此上当受骗而进行或准备进行临床试验。反过来,肖又在国内歪
曲国外试验情况欺骗公众和媒体、做虚假宣传诱骗患者。例如,肖雇凶落网前谎称美国
最初9个病人的3年结果“9个大便功能都正常了,7个小便正常了”,出狱后吹嘘“美国
病人的结果比我们中国的还好”。
目前,德国Tubingen大学和美国Beaumont医院的先期试验已经结束。除Beaumont一
年结果外,尚无同行评议论文发表,但长期试验结果现已公布。其中,德国8例脊髓损
伤患者全部失败,无一能通过刺激皮肤引发排尿,“无一达到自主排尿的试验目标”,
结果与肖以前报告的“完完全全不同”。美国2例脊髓损伤患者也都“无改善”,包括
2006年底试验开始时FoxNews等新闻机构铺天盖报道过的瘫痪大学生KevinBryant。美国
9例脊柱裂一年后“无一能完全自主控尿”,被同行专家评价为“临床疗效与肖此前所
报告的截然不同”;三年后也... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: WaterWorld版 - 肖传国 方舟子 一案
Dr. Peter的报告在那儿摆着呢,三年6/7的有效率,为什么就看不见呢?
为了引以公众的注意就可以说无效的,可以从报告中取出一些内容进行歪曲。华丽丽地
忽视了
“No long-term complications were identified and 6/7 would undergo the
procedure again.
CONCLUSIONS:
Lumbar to sacral nerve rerouting can improve bladder and bowel function
in patients with neurogenic bladder associated with spina bifida。”
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说实话摘要里那一堆数据说的是什么我看不明白,但是结论部分看明白了。
但是邪教教徒不会看到结论是手术有效,不会看到没有长期的并发症,不会看到如果从
来,
7人中有6人还会选者手术。
因为邪教教主是病人的大便,说你拉不出来就拉不出来。拉出来邪教教徒也可吃掉。
No long-term complications were identified and 6/7 would undergo the
procedure again.
CONCLUSIONS:
Lumbar to sacral nerve rerouting can improve bladder and bowel function in
patients with neurogenic bladder associated with spina bifida。
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去clinicaltrials.gov查了,一共找到两个项目和肖式手术有关。
根本找不到
“NIH已经认定肖氏手术安全,不再需要原安全评估内容”
一个项目是
Lumbar to Sacral Ventral Nerve Re-Routing
This study is ongoing, but not recruiting participants.
ClinicalTrials.gov Identifier:
NCT00378664
First received: September 19, 2006
Last updated: June 26, 2013
Last verified: June 2013
就是研究继续,不再招收病人。
下边还有更多的信息:
Recruitment Status ICMJE Active, not recruiting
Estimated Enrollment ICMJE 12
Estimated Completion Date November 2013
Estimated Primary Completion Date November... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Evidence of the Creator’s Handiwork
Thank you, Lord, for cancer, flu,
For athlete’s foot and typhus too.
Your wondrous world with birth defects,
And ticks and strokes is so complex.
I marvel at your pedophiles,
And mumps sure does elicit smiles.
Your greatest feat -- the tornadoes
Are right up there with lava flows.
I simply love my varicose veins,
And thank you for the hurricanes.
The miracle of gum disease
Goes hand-in-hand with cavities.
My urinary incontinence
Compliments my flatulence.
Chickenpox is a grand thing,
As is, I f-... 阅读全帖

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来自主题: HUST版 - 肖传国的申诉信中的笑点
村民老梁:肖传国的申诉信中的笑点
美国ACH医院的Tuite团队发表了一篇否定肖氏手术的论文,肖传国很不服气,给杂志社
写了一篇斗志昂扬的申诉信。在申诉信中,肖传国说道:
我立即强烈反对,并列出2个主要理由:1,肖氏手术已被许多医学中心证明有效,包
括3家著名美国医院(Beaumont医院,纽约大学医学中心,路易桑拿州立大学医院),
并均有高水平专业学术文章发表,所以还将此特大手术在儿童,而且还是脊膜膨出残疾
儿童,进行双盲实验,既不需要,更违反医学伦理;。。。
那么,在ACH的双盲实验开始之前,真的有包括三家美国著名医院的多中心发表了高水
平专业学术文章吗?我们看看肖传国所说的高水平专业文章都是什么。在中文信中,肖
传国没有给出相关的参考文献,但是在英文版中,是有参考文献的。
First, Xiaoprocedure had been proved to be a very effective procedure by
many centers withthousand cases and formal publications [123] including
those in ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Biology版 - 急求一片文章 谢谢!!!!
ER Stress in Adipocytes Inhibits Insulin Signaling, Represses Lipolysis, and
Alters the Secretion of Adipokines Without Inhibiting Glucose Transport.
Xu L, Spinas GA, Niessen M.
Horm Metab Res. 2010 Jun 17. [Epub ahead of print]
信箱 c******[email protected]
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来自主题: Biology版 - 关于肖手术的最新review
这篇Review不是最新的。最新的是发表在J. of Urol.八月份上的一篇
文章。
The Journal of Urology, Vol. 184, Issue 2, August 2010,702-708
Outcomes of Lumbar to Sacral Nerve Rerouting for Spina Bifida
Kenneth M. Petersa, Benjamin Girdlera, Cindy Turzewskia, Gary Trockc, Kevin
Febera, William Nantaub, Brian Bushb, Jose Gonzaleza, Evan Kassa, Juan de
Benitoa and Ananias Dioknoa
肖没有被列入作者
文章后有他人的质疑
Editorial Comment
Eric A. Kurzrocka
a Pediatric Urology, U. C. Davis Children's Hospital, Sacramento, California
The authors present t
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来自主题: Biology版 - 关于肖手术的最新review
OK. Here is another 质疑 associated with the article.
Editorial Comment
John M. Parka
a Department of Urology, University of Michigan Medical School, Ann Arbor,
Michigan
Available online 19 June 2010.
Refers to: Outcomes of Lumbar to Sacral Nerve Rerouting for Spina
Bifida
The Journal of Urology, Volume 184, Issue 2, August 2010, Pages 702-708,
Kenneth M. Peters, Benjamin Girdler, Cindy Turzewski, Gary Trock, Kevin
Feber, William Nantau, Brian Bush,
Jose Gonzalez, Evan Kass, Juan de Benito,
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: pigsun (屁哥~~大圣教候补二师兄), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 我所知道的肖氏反射弧(ZZ)公德无限
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 7 16:33:43 2010, 美东)
缺这种德,你丫真不怕天打雷劈啊
你给的新闻里,紧接着这“homerun"的就是说8个小孩手术后腿瘫痪了,也就是说总共
十二个小孩经
过肖锤子手术,3个没一点效果,余下9个里有7个膀胱控制有"marked improvement",但
是有8个
产生了"leg weakness",手术前他们是"able to walk"的
这TMD就是”Xiao claims an 87 percent success rate.“
俺记得以前有人指出过的,锤徒锤孙每次吹嘘时候却故意隐瞒,天打雷劈
Peters said the major complication was leg weakness that developed among
eight of the nine with spina bifida. All ha... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Biology版 - 今天Science有n多关于中国的事
至少5篇
**Research Ethics
Questions From China Snag U.S. Trial of Nerve-Rerouting Procedure
Hao Xin
Science 5 November 2010: 741.
A running 5-year medical brawl in China has spilled over into Michigan,
where it has delayed a clinical trial about to enroll patients. The trial
aims to surgically reroute the nerves of spina bifida patients to give them
control of their bladder.
**Earthquake Recovery
Slew of Landslides Unmask Hidden Geological Hazards
Hao Xin
Science 5 November 2010: 744.
On 7 August, ... 阅读全帖

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对肖氏手术的盖棺论定 http://fangzhouzi.baijia.baidu.com/article/440220
——评肖传国的弥天大谎和胡舒立的“新闻专业主义”
十几年前,原华中科技大学教授肖传国在国外声称其发明的“肖氏反射弧手术”能够治
愈脊柱裂(脊膜膨出)和截瘫患者的大小便失禁,成功率高达85%,是中国各大医院都
在做的常规手术,引起了美国、德国、丹麦等国外一些医生的兴趣,2005年起开始在肖
传国的指导下做肖氏手术临床试验。2010年,我和方玄昌因为揭露肖氏手术骗人的实质
,遭到肖传国雇凶袭击,轰动一时,也引起国外医学界对肖氏手术的怀疑。但当时国外
肖氏手术临床试验已经启动。近年来这些试验的长期随访结果陆续发表,都证明了肖氏
手术没有效果(文献1、2),只有肖传国在美国最早、最密切的合作者密歇根州
Beaumont医院的Peters小组报告脊膜膨出患儿有部分人的排尿功能术后有所改善,能少
量排尿,但是除了一人其他人都漏尿(文献3),这与肖传国声称的术后能够完全自主
控制排尿的说法显然不符,以致Peters小组疑惑是不是中国的手术“成功标准”和美国
的不一样。随后,美国... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - update:甲胎蛋白快速升高的原因
I just took a test. Here is the information about AFP from book. But I
suggest your mother double check her AFP from another hospital in case false
positive.
Alpha-fetoprotein (AFP) is a serum glycoprotein synthesized by the fetal
yolk sac and liver. The highest concentrations are found during embryonic
life and decline after birth to a low base level at 12 months, and are only
found in trace amounts by age 2. AFP is detected in maternal serum and used
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来自主题: MedicalCareer版 - 村民老梁:肖传国的申诉信中的笑点
肖传国的申诉信中的笑点
美国ACH医院的Tuite团队发表了一篇否定肖氏手术的论文,肖传国很不服气,给杂志社
写了一篇斗志昂扬的申诉信。在申诉信中,肖传国说道:
我立即强烈反对,并列出2个主要理由:1,肖氏手术已被许多医学中心证明有效,包
括3家著名美国医院(Beaumont医院,纽约大学医学中心,路易桑拿州立大学医院),
并均有高水平专业学术文章发表,所以还将此特大手术在儿童,而且还是脊膜膨出残疾
儿童,进行双盲实验,既不需要,更违反医学伦理;。。。
那么,在ACH的双盲实验开始之前,真的有包括三家美国著名医院的多中心发表了高水
平专业学术文章吗?我们看看肖传国所说的高水平专业文章都是什么。在中文信中,肖
传国没有给出相关的参考文献,但是在英文版中,是有参考文献的。
First, Xiaoprocedure had been proved to be a very effective procedure by
many centers withthousand cases and formal publications [123] including
those in USA: ... 阅读全帖
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