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发帖数: 11530 | 1 California secession movement starts gathering petition signatures
Jeff Daniels | @jeffdanielsca
19 Hours Ago
CNBC.com
Backers seeking to break California away from the U.S. started collecting
signatures Friday to get a proposed independence measure on the 2018
statewide ballot.
This isn't the first effort aimed at California secession but leaders say
the previous tries were mostly about building awareness of the issue and
increasing public support. They say recent polls show more Californian... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1189 | 2 State secessionSome states have movements which seek secession from the
United States itself and the formation of a nation from one or more states.
Alaska: In November 2006, the Alaska Supreme Court held in the case Kohlhaas
v. State that secession was illegal, and refused to permit an initiative to
be presented to the people of Alaska for a vote. The Alaskan Independence
Party remains a factor in state politics.[citation needed]
California secessionism - This was discussed by involved grassroot... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8463 | 3 http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/11/10/southern-states-issue-wh
Americans in 15 states issue White House petitions asking permission to
secede
1663 If at first you don’t succeed, just secede!
More than 8,000 Louisiana residents have signed an online petition to the
Obama administration to allow the state of Louisana to, “withdraw
peacefully from the United States of America and create its own new
government.”
The petition, posted to the online White House petitions page, cites the
Declaration of... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6276 | 4
Historians debating the origins of the American Civil War focus on the
reasons why seven Southern states declared their secession from the United
States (the Union), or why they joined to form the Confederate States of
America (the "Confederacy"), and why the North refused to let them go. The
primary cause of secession was slavery, especially Southern anger at the
attempts by Northern antislavery political forces to block the expansion of
slavery into the western territories. Southern politicia... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2415 | 5 我们都知道，美国非常希望美国以外的国家都在分裂，地方政权退出就退出了，这是你
应该有的权利，但回到它自己的国家就不允许了。而且，一旦退出权被写入宪法，美国
的宪政体制也要发生很大的问题，并不只是得克萨斯诉怀特这个案子要被推翻，整个体
制都会变得非常脆弱。
所以美国宪法学者在1991年前后都在讨论secession的问题，桑斯坦的一个论证就
是，宪政共和国的宪法是不可以包含secession条款的，苏联宪法的secession条款本身
就是非常荒谬的。桑斯坦的基本理论就是说，退出权本身和宪政就是对立的概念，因为
宪政国家意味着一个共同体的人民同意用和平的方式来解决内部冲突。什么是宪政的方
式？就是用和平的方式来解决内部冲突。如果你不承认是一个共同体的话，宪政共同体
根本不存在的话，所有的宪政根据都会落空。所以宪政国家的宪法是不应该包括
secession条款的，这是一个前提。
桑斯坦当然是从美国的角度去讲的。所以我觉得，secession的问题在宪政理论上
是相当困难的。处理这一问题必须回到主权理论，主权意味着对整个territory的至高
无上的权力。如果主权的最高权力都可以被分割，主... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 6 Ron Paul: U.S. secession is already ‘happening’
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ron-paul-us-secession-a
Andrew Kaczynski got a hold of the video of former Rep. Ron Paul’s (R-Texas
) recent appearance at a pro-secession conference.
Former Republican presidential candidate and congressman Ron Paul says
secession is happening and it’s “good news.” Paul later predicted the
states would stop listening to federal laws.
“I would like to start off by talking about the subject and the subject is
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发帖数: 9508 | 7 http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white-house-secede-petitions-
Less than a week after a New Orleans suburbanite petitioned the White House
to allow Louisiana to secede from the United States, petitions from seven
states have collected enough signatures to trigger a promised review from
the Obama administration.
By 6:00 a.m. EST Wednesday, more than 675,000 digital signatures appeared on
69 separate secession petitions covering all 50 states, according to a
Daily Caller analysis of requests lodg... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 9508 | 8 哈哈哈。。。。。
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-le
With all fifty states offering petitions to the central government to leave
the Union, the legality of secession is now front page news in the United
States. Can a state legally secede from the Union? Many, including Supreme
Court justice Antonin Scalia, suggest no. In a 2006 letter, available here,
Scalia argued that a the question was not in the realm of legal possibility
because 1) the United States would not be party to... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 9 California Moves One Step Closer to Declaring Independence from US
Government
http://theantimedia.org/california-calexit-2/
(ANTIMEDIA) After a bid to launch a California secession movement failed in
April, a more moderate ballot measure has been approved, and its backers now
have 180 days to attain nearly 600,000 signatures in order to put it up to
vote in the 2018 election.
We're revolutionizing the news industry, but we need your help! Click here
to get started.
The Yes California movement ad... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 262 | 10 虽说引用维基不是好习惯，但你也看看吧。历史不是可以伪造的。
The American Civil War was fought in the United States from 1861 to 1865.
The result of a long-standing controversy over slavery and states' rights,
war broke out in April 1861, when Confederates attacked Fort Sumter in South
Carolina, shortly after Abraham Lincoln was elected. The nationalists of
the Union proclaimed loyalty to the U.S. Constitution. They faced
secessionists of the Confederate States of America advocating states’
rights to perpetual slavery and its... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 11 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: beijingren (to thine own self be true), 信区: Military
标 题: 加州即将独立
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jul 29 21:33:51 2017, 美东)
California Moves One Step Closer to Declaring Independence from US
Government
http://theantimedia.org/california-calexit-2/
(ANTIMEDIA) After a bid to launch a California secession movement failed in
April, a more moderate ballot measure has been approved, and its backers now
have 180 days to attain nearly 600,000 signatures in order to put it up to
vote i... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 12 同事前几年参加过一次深红州议会，回来说议员们一齐喊 secession secession
secession, 都是闹剧 |
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发帖数: 5601 | 13 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-walks-cautious-line-eastern-
DONETSK, Ukraine -- Pro-Russians in Ukraine's Donetsk region
declared independence Monday and asked to join Russia.
Organizers said about 90 percent of those who cast ballots Sunday in Donetsk
and the neighboring Luhansk region backed sovereignty for the sprawling
areas that lie along Russia's border and form Ukraine's industrial heartland.
According to early returns, 89 percent of those who cast ballots Sunday in
the Donetsk region... 阅读全帖 |
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C*I
发帖数: 4736 | 14 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: CBI (史迪威), 信区: USANews
标 题: 加州前州长对川普说：加州人用金灿灿的手养活着你们！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 9 22:04:25 2017, 美东)
加州前州长对川普说：加州人用金灿灿的手养活着你们！
这位加州前州长说,川普威胁要取消联邦对加州的资助,这将会被折腾到法院过堂。他说
，你不可以只从加州拿钱，那将会是一场战斗，不能你自己说了算，得经过国会同意才
行。
川普在橄榄球决赛前接受狐狸台采访时说，他很反对天使保护城市，他们导致犯罪，引
发了很多问题，如果必要，我们就必须明确这些。我们给了加州大量的钱，但加州在很
多方面失去了控制。
加州准备立法制止州和地方的执法者参与联邦议移民事务。另外也在提案立法不容许房
东在租房时过问其移民身份。
戴维斯不同意川普的所谓保护城市是犯罪温床的说法，他指出FBI曾经发现保护城的犯
罪实际上很少。加州主要城市洛杉矶和旧金山就是对移民授权合作限制的城市。
尽管如此，戴维斯担心川普可能会把加州执法部门的资金给停了。但是，他说这样的行
为就需... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 421 | 16 哦，这样啊,你读读这个，谈谈感想。
上一次南方州闹独立，结果被打出了屎
the United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional,
while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a
successful secession.
: 如果州长和州议会都决定离开美国，并且有民意支持，恐怕联邦政府无法阻止。
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发帖数: 3817 | 17 自己去看美国宪法
United States Constitution
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Jump to: navigation, search
United States Constitution
Constitution of the United States, page 1.jpg
Page one of the original copy of the Constitution
Created
September 17, 1787
Ratified
June 21, 1788
Date effective
March 4, 1789; 227 years ago
Location
National Archives,
Washington, D.C.
Author(s)
Philadelphia Convention
Signatories
39 of the 55 delegates
Purpose
To replace the Articles of Confederation (177... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****1
发帖数: 3817 | 18 自己去看美国宪法
United States Constitution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
United States Constitution
Constitution of the United States, page 1.jpg
Page one of the original copy of the Constitution
Created
September 17, 1787
Ratified
June 21, 1788
Date effective
March 4, 1789; 227 years ago
Location
National Archives,
Washington, D.C.
Author(s)
Philadelphia Convention
Signatories
39 of the 55 delegates
Purpose
To replace the Articles of Confederation (177... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4736 | 19
加州前州长对川普说：加州人用金灿灿的手养活着你们！
这位加州前州长说,川普威胁要取消联邦对加州的资助,这将会被折腾到法院过堂。他说
，你不可以只从加州拿钱，那将会是一场战斗，不能你自己说了算，得经过国会同意才
行。
川普在橄榄球决赛前接受狐狸台采访时说，他很反对天使保护城市，他们导致犯罪，引
发了很多问题，如果必要，我们就必须明确这些。我们给了加州大量的钱，但加州在很
多方面失去了控制。
加州准备立法制止州和地方的执法者参与联邦议移民事务。另外也在提案立法不容许房
东在租房时过问其移民身份。
戴维斯不同意川普的所谓保护城市是犯罪温床的说法，他指出FBI曾经发现保护城的犯
罪实际上很少。加州主要城市洛杉矶和旧金山就是对移民授权合作限制的城市。
尽管如此，戴维斯担心川普可能会把加州执法部门的资金给停了。但是，他说这样的行
为就需要去法院打官司。
这位前加州州长说，川普想要黄金般的加州做得好一些是因此可以让其它州得到好处。
戴维斯说：“我们是世界第六大经济体。我们比俄罗斯都牛。全世界只有美国（包括加
州），日本，中国，英国，德国的经济能超越加州。”
要明白，加州给联邦的要比从联邦拿回来... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 383 | 20 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
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发帖数: 870 | 21 这才是社会学大家应该干的事儿。
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发帖数: 26222 | 22 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: smokinggun (硝烟), 信区: Military
标 题: 内讧： 佛蒙特州再次谋求从联邦独立
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 13 09:40:51 2010, 美东)
9 Vt. state office candidates favor secession
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100113/ap_on_re_us/us_vermont_secession_candidates
By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer John Curran, Associated Press Writer
– Wed Jan 13, 3:21 am ET
SHELBURNE, Vt. – Peter Garritano thinks it's time for Vermont to call it
quits with America.
The way the 54-year-old automobile salesman |
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 23 VOA Chinese, July 24, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110724-RAILWAY-ACCIDENT-126079923.html
Quote:
"日本的朝日新闻星期天，援引日本铁路公司新干线技术人员的话报道称，中国高铁采
用的日本技术只有车辆，信号等运行系统是中国独自开发的。这位技术人员分析，如果
事故是追尾造成的，原因就不是车辆而很有可能是运行系统的故障。另外一位研究国内
外铁路的专家也对朝日新闻分析说：'中国高铁采用多种调控系统或许是事故原因的关
键。'
"研究铁路安全的日本关西大学教授安部诚治在日本的产经新闻上分析说：'这次事故令
人难以置信。在日本新干线和欧美高铁是不会发生追尾事故的。这只能说(中国)的铁路
安全问题极为严重。'
Note : "欧美." US has no high-speed rail.
-----------------------------------Separately
(1) “和谐号”遭追尾 “大提速”受撞击. VOA Chinese, July 24, 2011... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6009 | 24 自己看吧.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarity_Act
On August 20, 1998, the Supreme Court answered, concluding that Quebec does
not have the right to secede unilaterally under Canadian or international
law. However, the Government of Canada would have to enter into negotiations
with the Quebec government if Quebeckers expressed a clear will to secede.
It confirmed that the Parliament of Canada had the power to determine
whether or not a referendum question was clear enough to trigger such
negotiation... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2555 | 25 You think slavery is right and ought to be extended; we think it is wrong
and ought to be restricted.
虽然共和党在1856年的总统选举中失败了，但是随着北方public opinion的逐渐转化，
到了1860年，共和党已经有了相当强大的基础。而林肯，则敏锐地认识到要统一共和党
内林林总总的派系，唯有抓住一个能统一北方public opinion的公共话题。毫无疑问的
，反奴是一个将北方和南方区分开的话题。而林肯也在竞选期间，坚决地把关税问题，
移民问题等统统摒弃到一边；从而获得北方多数选民的支持。
在1860年的共和党初选中，林肯还是一匹黑马。但是，很快人们就认识到，林肯是所有
人的第二选择——他是前辉格党人，所以辉格党出身的共和党人能接受他；他反对限制
移民，所以获得德裔的支持，同时他对反移民的无知党(know-nothing)也没有太过严厉
；他拒绝将关税问题放入议题当中，从而获得了民主党出身的共和党人支持；他反奴的
立场鲜明，同时又坚决反对黑人普选权。总之，他牢牢地站在了共和党... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7521 | 26 SB们以为要过上好日子了。
－－－－－－－－－－－－
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12136851
South Sudan holds final rallies ahead of secession vote
Final rallies have taken place in south Sudan's capital, Juba, ahead of
Sunday's vote on independence for the south of the country from the north. |
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发帖数: 37081 | 27 Over 99 pct in Southern Sudan vote for secession. pussy得简直跟独裁国家似的。 |
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i**b
发帖数: 918 | 28 搞邦联制，随时可以secession的那种…… |
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发帖数: 7037 | 29 那就先搞德州，不让open carry就不同意secession |
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发帖数: 30882 | 30 西方国家操弄各国民族问题控制世界
赵磊
国际社会是一个多民族的世界，民族问题是古今中外普遍存在的对人类社会产生重
大影响的社会政治问题。冷战结束特别是进入新世纪以来，世界民族问题呈现出以下三
大新变化、三大新态势、三大新影响。
新变化
因民族问题而生的国内冲突成为世界冲突的主要形式。在冷战大环境下，国家内部
的民族冲突被掩盖、压抑、扭曲，甚至被利用，以服从于美苏争霸的利益。冷战结束后
，国家内部的民族冲突以前所未有的声势爆发出来，据统计，从 1989年到 2002年，世
界上发生了116起主要的武装冲突，其中仅有7起是传统的国家间冲突，其余109起几乎
都是与民族问题有关的国内冲突。民族冲突的原因很复杂，如有学者将民族冲突区分为
“族群民族主义者”(ethnonationalists)、“原住民”(in-digenouspeoples)、“社
群竞争者”(com-munalcontenders)和“族群阶级”(ethnoc-lasses)四类。其中，前两
者或要求与国家分离(secessi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 24887 | 31 Texans have boasted secession for as long as one can remember. |
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发帖数: 38600 | 32 http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/04/do-states-have-a-right-of
Americans celebrate Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, but H.L. Mencken
correctly evaluated the speech, “It is poetry not logic; beauty, not sense.
” Lincoln said that the soldiers sacrificed their lives “to the cause of
self-determination — government of the people, by the people, for the
people should not perish from the earth.” Mencken says: “It is difficult
to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle act... 阅读全帖 |
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k****r
发帖数: 9629 | 36 看你怎么说了.
严格说确实没有一个单独的law,
但您崇拜的林肯说分裂是违法的.
所以宪法就是反分裂法.
Secession is Unlawful
First Inaugural Address March 4, 1861
I hold that, in contemplation of universal law, and of the Constitution, the
union of these States is perpetual....It follows....that no State, upon its
own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union; that resolves and ordin
ances to that effect are legally void; and that acts of violence, within any
State or States, against the authority of the United States, are insurrecti
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发帖数: 7299 | 37 Alabama is one of 20 states - and counting - where residents have petitioned
the White House in the days after the Nov. 6 presidential election, seeking
to withdraw from the United States and create their own governments.
The informal petitions are created by citizens on the White House web site
under a "We the People" program created by the Obama administration.
President Barack Obama was re-elected Tuesday, defeating a challenge from
Republican candidate Mitt Romney.
The Alabama petition was f... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4877 | 38 by Francois Gautier ·
Like Sonia Gandhi, I am a Westerner and a brought-up catholic. My
father, a very good man, was a staunch Christian; my uncle, whom I
doted upon, was the vicar of the Montmartre Church, one of the most
picturesque landmarks of Paris. Like Sonia Gandhi, I have lived in
India for more than 40 years, and I have had the good fortune to be
married to an Indian. But the comparison stops there. I did land in
India with a certain amount of... 阅读全帖 |
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t****v
发帖数: 9235 | 39 看看怎么骂中国人的，这伙蠢猪，撒谎讨好洋人，结果自取其辱
ohmygod50 • an hour ago
The West doesn't do abortions based on gender.
They don't use genetic matching to pick the best babies.
They don't use Africa as a slave outpost like China has been doing for the
last decade.
China is a seriously messed up country at times.
China has 8 men for every 1 female because of the abortions. It's so bad
that you can already predict chinese economy collapse in a few years,
because the working force is shrinking, wages are rising... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 33224 | 42 he President of Russia met with media representatives to answer a number of
their questions, in particular with regard to the situation in Ukraine.
PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA VLADIMIR PUTIN: Good afternoon, colleagues,
How shall we do this? This is what I’d like to suggest: let’s have a
conversation, rather than an interview. Therefore, I would ask you to begin
by stating all your questions, I will jot them down and try to answer them,
and then we will have a more detailed discussion of the specifics t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 20343 | 43 The Second Vermont Republic was founded in 2003 by Thomas Naylor, who
published the book The Vermont Manifesto that same year.[6] He was motivated
by the September 11 attacks. Vermont's Bread and Puppet Theater were early
supporters.[7] Naylor began informal meetings of the group, holding the
first statewide meeting in October 2003. In June 2004 Second Vermont
Republic and Bread & Puppet Theater sponsored a parade in Montpelier and a
rally of over 300 people at the State House calling for Vermon... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 44 Exclusive: Angry with Washington, 1 in 4 Americans open to secession
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0HE19U20140919?irpc=93
BOSTON (Reuters) - The failed Scottish vote to pull out from the United
Kingdom stirred secessionist hopes for some in the United States, where
almost a quarter of people are open to their states leaving the union, a new
Reuters/Ipsos poll found.
Some 23.9 percent of Americans polled from Aug. 23 through Sept. 16 said
they strongly supported or tended to support th... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 45 "The two-party system is not Democrats versus Republicans. It’s government
versus the people. And the government is a fascist system controlled by the
corporations on behalf of the corporations. The people’s voting just
provides the system with a sense of legitimacy."
Are we witnessing another collapse of the party system?
by Bob Livingston
I know it’s still early, but it’s beginning to appear this election cycle
that conventional wisdom may not hold.
The pundit class and the establishment polit... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2883 | 46 给楼主维基科普一下什么是白人至上主义
White supremacy or white supremacism is a racist ideology centered upon the
belief, and promotion of the belief, that white people are superior in
certain characteristics, traits, and attributes to people of other racial
backgrounds and that therefore white people should politically, economically
and socially rule non-white people.
The term is also typically used to describe a political ideology that
perpetuates and maintains the social, political, historical and/or
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发帖数: 11530 | 48 It 'll happen sooner or later
Mexican descendants 'll become t majority in less than 10 yrs |
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发帖数: 11530 | 49 they are already the largest ethic group |
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