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m******h
发帖数: 3 | 2 I often play on zone during weekend,
but seems seldom people know precesion system
can't understand. and they all use sayc, but
i never heard it in china, is it better than
precesion? |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 3 sayc 是 system of american yellow card. 比较大众化的一个叫牌体系。
五张高花开叫, 15-17 NT开叫。2/1不逼叫到局...
你可以看看精华区。那里面有比较详细的介绍 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 5 有几种不同的处理方法。我建议你看一下美国标准黄卡(SAYC)的体系，在BBO软件的资
料部分就能找到。这是一个在北美通用的自然体系，在BBO上打牌的，如果没有特殊约
定，都应该遵循这个体系叫牌。
在SAYC体系中，1M-3M是限制性的加叫，表示邀局牌力。高花配合且有逼局实力时，有
三种手段：
1) 四张以上将牌支持，相对均型，叫2NT。这种1M-2NT是SAYC中的约定叫，称为"
Jacoby 2NT"，并不是自然无将叫品，而是表示高花至少四张支持的逼局牌，同伴不能
PASS。这是一个很重要的约定叫，因为它弥补了采用限制性加叫之后造成的缺乏逼局加
叫手段的问题。Jacoby 2NT之后的应答结构也是约定性的，不是自然手段，具体请参阅
相关资料。
2) 将牌四张以上支持，旁套有单缺，可以采用一种“爆裂叫”(Splinter)的约定叫品
。在这种约定中，双跳叫新花表示对同伴开叫花色至少四张支持，所跳叫的新花为单缺
。比方1S-4C，1H-3S，等等。
3) 先叫一门新花色逼同伴叫牌，再用进局跳叫等手段显示实力。或是从强跳应叫开始
起步。这些手段一般用于将牌支持只有三张（此时不能使用Jaco |
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w**n
发帖数: 244 | 6 这手牌如果按照 Karen Walker 写的 Standard American Bidding
和SAYC 不同. 开强二. 就很好处理。
SAYC 里好象主要是弱二.
其要求:
1: An unbalanced hand of 21+ points. You may open with fewer
points if your suit is long and strong and your hand meets
the other requirements
2: A good, 5+ card suit (preferably a 6-card suit, especially
if it's a minor)
3: Good quick tricks and controls in the other suits(aces, kings
or shortness)
4: Playing strength to take at least 8-9 tricks if your suit
is a major, 9-10 tricks if your |
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b****h
发帖数: 1022 | 7 在okb打牌得用sayc. 若干年的大方板没处使
谁能推荐几本sayc的书？
先谢了 |
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w*****n
发帖数: 155 | 9 SAYC/JQ?
both you must alert if openning with 1D...
JQ... open 2d, 2nt...4...4nt....6s
sayc... 1h 1s 2d(forcing bidding) 3c (strong 4th l forcing bidding)
4nt ---6s... |
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M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 10 I am at intermediate level.
SAYC or natural.
I used to use Big Club but seems no one is using this any more. so I am
learning SAYC now. |
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t***n
发帖数: 546 | 11 from my understanding:
2/1 have 1M-1NT forcing but SAYC don't. if that's true, then 1M-2M, 1M-3M
would be different in 2/1 and SAYC
other converntions like:
1C wash?
Mathe Asking Bid?
Wolff Signoff?
Fourth Suit Forcing?
Hardy Adjunct?
Drury?
Ron Feldman Two Diamond?
Smolen Transfers?
Ogust 2NT asking?
New Minor Forcing?
Texas Transfer?
Puppet Stayman for 2NT opening?
If you use most of the converntions, maybe we could player some time
togather |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 12 The classic book is understanding ACOL by Crowhurst. It's quite an old book
though. I don't think a lot of players are still playing that style of ACOL.
Nowadays, a lot of UK players play an ACOL system which is quite close to
SAYC, except weak NT and one round forcing 2/1.
A better choice would be SAYC or some version of 2/1 if you are in US. |
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 14 DCCD最好的版本是主动控制的中差和前后轴的torsen差速器。Quattro是torsen中差，
和前后轮的开发差速器。这两个比是DCCD好。可是那个东西基本是比赛用的。（而且
DCCD没有三菱的ACD+SAYC+Torsen好。）民用基于Tosen的就是最好的了。你想想Land
Cruiser就是这结构，当然比普通Subaru的强。
日常用普通Subaru的和Torsen都比MDX上面的SH AWD强，和TLX上面的SH AWD差不多。 |
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a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 16 我是和美国同学学的rubber，不太会玩imp和double imp
学过的bidding技巧有jacoby transfer, stayman,etc，好像是用acbl的sayc，据说还
有一套英国系统
玩80分我一般只记AKQJ出来没有
这两个都是要搭档默契好玩起来比较爽 |
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m*****e
发帖数: 207 | 17 Acol四张可以开叫
SAYC要求五张吧
四张极坚固套可以按五张处理，如AKQT |
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m*****e
发帖数: 207 | 18 SAYC
如果没有五张套
16-18(15-17)就1NT
电力弱的话就开叫1C/1D
//papaya dan |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 19
sayc, bidding 1c promises 3 cards in club |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 20 0-5pts
事实上有时5个点子叫了也不错
xxxx AJxxx x xxx
对同伴的1c叫1h
在1d开叫后才有所谓2/1,即2c
当单套时，套的质量至少的是
AKXXXXX
这里是错的
对于标准的美国自然(sayc)
2阶加叫是6-9pts, 没有高花套
3阶的加叫是10-11pts,一般有5张配合，邀叫进局 |
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c**g
发帖数: 274 | 22 可以都讲讲么,挑一个讲,然后再阐述下不同之处,顺便回顾回顾使用种的独到
之处以及成功典范,出招多,漏洞才会多么.:-) |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 24 Standard American Yellow Card
Revised and Expanded by Mark London (m*[email protected])
GENERAL APPROACH
because if you open 1M with 5 card major and 15-17, you will find
there is no bid after pd's 2/1 bidding
for example, Axxxx Kxx KQx Ax
what can you bid after pd's 2c? no bid . 2nt is too weak, 3nt shows
18-19 pts, 2sp is too weak, and you will face pd's ugly 4h raise
if you bid 2h. so 1nt is the only bid indeed.
1NT = 15-17
2NT = 20-21
3NT = 25-27
Strong artificial 2C opening.
Weak tw |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 25 This is called super accept, which is helpful to find a game when responder
has a minimum hand but some distribution benefit,
such as: Axxxx x Kxx xxxx
Kxxx Jxx Axx AKQ
1nt-2h-3sp-4sp
And 1nt-opener even can show his 2card suit by bidding it at level 3
Axxxx x Qxx xxxx
Kxxx AQx Jx AKxx
1nt-2h-3d(doubleton in dia)-3sp---
or Axxxx x Qxx xxxx
Kxxx AQx AKxx xx
1n-2h-3c-4sp |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 26 So the 1nt opener should show his strengh, after responder's 3 level
minor bid.
For example,
1nt-2d-2h-3c-?
1) 3dia, it is natural and shows a stopper in dia and no fit in heart
2) 3 heart, shows heart support and maximum hand
3) 3 sp, shows sp stopper, no heart support, no dia stopper,
4) 3nt, minimum hand,no heart support, but has sp and dia stopper
5) 4c, maximum hand with club support, inviting pd to cue
6) 4d, cue dia control and club fit, maximum hand
7) 4h, heart support and minimum hand |
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z***y
发帖数: 198 | 27 这个序列要求至少六张club or diamond
这个我喜欢，可以自己做庄，
很多时候，保护了自己的间张结构
Gerber 被誉为神经坚强的牌手的武器，我是从未用过的，打了这么多年牌:)
事实上开叫方还可以叫五阶花色,寻求44配合
如
Axxx Kx AKxx Qxx
KQx Axx QJXX AJx
1nt-4nt-5d-6d |
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b****y
发帖数: 105 | 28 I want some good player paly with me this summer. I can play
SAYC, Precision, 2/1(not good). Please contact me. My ID at
zone is zhang129. |
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w**n
发帖数: 244 | 29 可惜我们时间不一定能对上号. 一般我是GMT 19:00 之后
才到Zone上打.
PS: 不能说打得很好, 还行. 如果有兴趣可和我联系,
在Zone 上 ID: ananwu. 现在在Advance Dup. IMP
里. 目前只打SAYC. |
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r**********e
发帖数: 67 | 30
5cm /best minor, 15-17 1NT, s 2 w 3,
stayman, blwd....and sometime
they like gerber and jocoby transfer.
>= 5 mojor suit , if no ,best minor, ....
.st 2 means 2 c 22+, artificial bidding,
let the p choose suit... else is correct one
weak 3, 7 + card in one suit with two honors
one singleton, need 7-10( exclude shortleton) |
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r**********e
发帖数: 67 | 31
usually I played in pogo.netscape.com, they have
friendly windows...
they r working on " standard of america"
no great difference from that of precision
say " blwd---asking for ace when they want to make slam,
if need further explanation, let me know . |
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w**n
发帖数: 244 | 32
~~~~
weak 2. If you play classic american,
then you play strong 2. Some pairs also
play multi. In classic american, 2D, 2H,
2S opening mean 19+, 6+ suit like the
old ACOL system.
^^^^^
roman key
splinter for major opening or Jacoby 2NT. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 33 For SAYC, it's penalty oriented. But the truth is that almost no
experts play double over 3S as purely for penalty as I know.
Actually I think most experts play negative double at least to 4H,
the only difference between a low level negative double and a high level
negative double is that a high level negative double may be converted to
penalty double more often than a low level one by partner. |
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b***n
发帖数: 13455 | 34 if sayc, I would bid 3H |
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k*****a
发帖数: 13 | 35 using 2/1 or sayc. my id is yuji |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 36 If you play sayc, then 1S actually doesn't force to game.
It only forces one round, showing 4 card sp. I've paid a lot to it in my
early days at OKB. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 37 This is up to agreement actually.
Playing walsh style response to 1C, 1S is 4th suit forcing.
But if you play "standard" response to 1C,
1S just shows 4 card sp and forces one round, because partner
may have 4-4-2-3 pattern. Thus,
2S is 4th suit forcing. hehe, this is the tricky part of sayc,
I don't really like it. Anyway, more and more good players
play walsh style reponse nowadays, regardless what sys they play. |
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x****a
发帖数: 817 | 38 depend on system.
2/1 could bid 1NT.
sayc, I would pass. |
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x****a
发帖数: 817 | 39 I believe 2/1 has this bidding of 1H-1NT-2C, representing 5H and at least 3C
in the opening hand. So if 2/1, I plan to bid 1NT then pass 2C/2D response.
If sayc, this hand could be dangerous. I would pass. |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 40 if your pd jumps to 2NT or 3D or 3H, it would be more ugly.
If playing sayc or 2/1, I might bid, but not when playing prec,
Still, even if you bid, you might not find club fit. |
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f*****f
发帖数: 1270 | 41 rt...
I play precision and natrual...
Do most people here play SAYC or Acol ? :) |
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y****e
发帖数: 71 | 42 It seems to be the case, if play at American afternoon and early evening, most
people play sayc online, late night such as around 4AM to morning, you can
find people play Acol.
I had met people write in their CC saying "precision is not welcomed", :D |
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c********n
发帖数: 17 | 43 There are more and more people using 2/1 as a widely acceptable CC in the
states now.
ACBL's convention card is colored in yellow, that's probably where SAYC got
its name from. that shows how popular it is here.
In terms of bidding in internet bridge, IMHO, it is all about CC. When you
partner with strangers. don't assume s/he has ever used or understood unusual
2NT, for example, if not mutually agreed as an additional convention. Had
played in OKBridge for long time, i would always tell my stra |
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h***a
发帖数: 97 | 44 what system you were using in that 1C, 16 points opening? does it make sense
to bid like that? I prefer an honest bidding and always a precise describe of
your hand at first bid. I would bid 1NT while using sayc.
I had played with some excellent players, any time I bid not honest, I got
lessons.
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b*d
发帖数: 75 | 45 多谢高手指点:-)
可以理解
这是什么派? 就是说搞的很西瑞尔思是不是? 是不是很麻烦跟精确制似的?
你的这个是不是J2NT? 我查了半天, Blow is copied from SAYC OKB-style simplified:
If responder jumps to 2NT over a 1H/1S opener, it is J2NT asking opener to
show a singleton or void. It shows 13+ points, good support for opener's suit
and is game forcing.
不过这里的点数算上牌型也不过是11点(或者有四张将牌支持可以算成12点?). 是不是这
个13+的要求也不时那么严格?
这个叫法显然是没有道理么, 什么年代的叫法?
恩,我完全同意这个观点,尤其对偶记不清约定算不清牌的,厚厚.
哈哈,果然是J2NT, 不过上面的是不是就不是拉?
还有你的叫法跟我上面的不太一样啊?
~~~~这个到底是什么意思,经常见
这个就有点 |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 46 when you hold 4-4 in minor, which suit do you open? 2/1 or sayc. i prefer 1c,
coz i think which could save space for pd, in case he has weak hand with c
suit. but pd said i should open 1d. any comments or thoughts? or purely depend
on partnership style? |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 47 Playing sayc with pd, I sit on south and have this hand:
S: A
H: AJ732
D: 83
C: KJ972
Bidding sequence is
N E S W
1D pass 1H 2S
3D 3S ?
I bid 4C, hoping that pd can understand it's
at least 5-5 in H and C. But it turns out to
be not true. Pd argued that my 1H could be 4-card.
So with 4-6 in H-C, my bidding could still be
1H first and then 4C. Is there any way to clarify
the situation here? |
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m*e
发帖数: 155 | 48 I don't see a direct answer to your question (therefore
like to be enlighted by other peoples' ideas), and am not
happy with my own thoughts either but here they go:
very likely partner has no 3 hearts(no support double.
and even if he does have 3, he has choices after your
bid over 3s). (excuse me for importing supp. x to sayc :)
and let's assume opps have 9 spades(if W had 7, he would
probably have bid 3; and if E had 4, he would probably
had bid 4).
so partner's hand is |
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w****n
发帖数: 241 | 49 depends on if south had chance to bid D suite,
then maybe 6D is possible
if you forsee the necessity to use H to cover C.
but it's hard since N doesn't know how many C South has.
normally after A-inquiry, N would bid 6H for sure.
btw, SAYC or PREC ? |
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g********d
发帖数: 89 | 50 in sayc, not 2/1. and no flan. |
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