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A Ford Excursion SUV next to a Toyota Camry
Sport utility vehicles (SUVs), tru... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 2 才看了发现已经测过了
看偏置正碰的安全笼形变数据，这代X5相当不错：
Test ID VTF1307
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 2
Left (cm) 4
Center (cm) 4
Right (cm) 3
Brake pedal (cm) 2
Instrument panel rearward movement
Left (cm) 0
Right (cm) 0
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) 1
Rearward (cm) 5
A-pillar rearward movement (cm) 0
Driver injury measures
Test ID VTF1307
这些数字是安全笼各个检测点的形变数据，基本上都是越小越好
对应ML的数据：
Measures of occcupant compartment intrusion on driver side
Test ID VTF1106
Footwell intru... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 3 仅从结构强度上看,新5系跟当前这一代的A6(04年至今,08年facelift过,但仍是同一平
台)比
有压倒性的优势
iihs的碰撞测试结果:
Footwell intrusion Brake pedal (cm) Instrument panel rearward movement
Steering column movement A-pillar rearward movement (cm)
Footrest (cm) Left (cm) Center (cm) Right (cm) Left (cm) Right (cm) Upward (
cm) Rearward (cm)
BMW 5 series
model tested: 2011 1 1 1 1 2 0 0 1 1 0
Audi A6
model tested: 2005 6 7 8 9 2 2 4 4 -1 0
上面各个数字是乘员舱安全笼里一系列checkpoint的形变数据
数字越小说明形变越小,反映车身强度越高,对乘员保护越好
差异已经是数倍了.
http://www.... 阅读全帖 |
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y***k
发帖数: 9459 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Auto_Fans 俱乐部 】
发信人: yesok (ok博士), 信区: Auto_Fans
标 题: 尼玛，这一代E class结构强度怎么能那么变态
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 6 17:07:44 2017, 美东)
这是吃了什么大力丸了
Moderate:
Test ID VTF1624
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 1
Left (cm) 1
Center (cm) 1
Right (cm) 0
Brake pedal (cm) 1
Instrument panel rearward movement
Left (cm) 0
Right (cm) 0
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) -3
Rearward (cm) -6
A-pillar rearward movement (cm) 0
Roof:
Applies to 2017 models
Overall evaluation ... 阅读全帖 |
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Y****a
发帖数: 17170 | 5
我点了呀。
是这些吗？
Moderate Overlap
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 1
Left (cm) 2
Center (cm) 3
Right (cm) 4
Brake pedal (cm) 2
Instrument panel rearward movement
Left (cm) -2
Right (cm) 0
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) -3
Rearward (cm) 5
A-pillar rearward movement (cm) 0
我主要是不知道上面说的12cm，5cm指的是哪一项？
（当然我觉得这样看forester 的碰撞成绩好像非常强悍的样子） |
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Y****a
发帖数: 17170 | 6
我点了呀。
是这些吗？
Moderate Overlap
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 1
Left (cm) 2
Center (cm) 3
Right (cm) 4
Brake pedal (cm) 2
Instrument panel rearward movement
Left (cm) -2
Right (cm) 0
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) -3
Rearward (cm) 5
A-pillar rearward movement (cm) 0
我主要是不知道上面说的12cm，5cm指的是哪一项？
（当然我觉得这样看forester 的碰撞成绩好像非常强悍的样子） |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 7 Measures of occcupant compartment intrusion on driver side
Test ID VTF1307
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 2
Left (cm) 4
Center (cm) 4
Right (cm) 3
Brake pedal (cm) 2
Instrument panel rearward movement
Left (cm) 0
Right (cm) 0
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) 1
Rearward (cm) 5
A-pillar rearward movement (cm) 0
Driver injury measures
已经比ML还要好了，相当不错啊 |
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y***k
发帖数: 9459 | 8 这是吃了什么大力丸了
Moderate:
Test ID VTF1624
Footwell intrusion
Footrest (cm) 1
Left (cm) 1
Center (cm) 1
Right (cm) 0
Brake pedal (cm) 1
Instrument panel rearward movement
Left (cm) 0
Right (cm) 0
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) -3
Rearward (cm) -6
A-pillar rearward movement (cm) 0
Roof:
Applies to 2017 models
Overall evaluation
G
Curb weight 3,803 lbs
Peak force 23,517 lbs
Strength-to-weight ratio 6.18
Tested vehicle
2017 Mercedes-Benz E 300 4-door 2wd... 阅读全帖 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 9 http://www.iihs.org/ratings/datatables.aspx?class=15&type=f
摘要:
Measures of Occupant Compartment Intrusion on Driver Side
FOOTWELL INTRUSION BRAKE
PEDAL
(cm) INSTRUMENT
PANEL
REARWARD
MOVEMENT STEERING
COLUMN
MOVEMENT A-PILLAR
REARWARD
MOVEMENT
(cm)
Footrest
(cm) Left
(cm) Center
(cm) Right
(cm) Left
(cm) Right
(cm) Upward
(cm) Rearward
(cm)
BMW 3 series
model tested: 2006 1 1 1 1 2 0 0 -1 -3 0 |
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f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 10 前面已经说过几次了，我不可能把所有指标都copy-paste出来，我举其中一个指标作为
例子并不意味我只依靠一个指标来得出结论。
你不妨看一看，“Measures of occupant compartment intrusion on driver side”
那一section里，Ford Edge，Honda Accord Crosstour，Mazda CX-7， CX-9，大切等
等的*几乎所有的*指标，都比Equinox要*明显*好。
我说Equinox不属于结实的，并不单只因为“Footwell intrusion”不是一流范围之内
，还有“Instrument panel rearward movement”、“Steering column movement”和
“A-pillar rearward movement”等也是平均水平。安全笼的任何指标不是低于平均水
准就是在平均水准附近，用“不太结实”来作为结论很合理。
再多说一句。“Top Safety Pick”明显就商业成分浓厚啊，一个segment选8个，基本
上把主流竞争者都包括了。这就好像竞赛里搞安慰奖那样 |
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A*******s
发帖数: 3942 | 11 我还真不知道accord为啥能在政府评测中能拿5星
IIHS应该是数据最翔实的安全测试
看前撞的形变程度
Footwell intrusion Brake pedal (cm) Instrument panel rearward
movement Steering column movement A-pillar rearward movement (cm)
Audi A3
model tested: 2006 7 10 7 4 6 0 0 0 -1
1
Honda Accord
model tested: 2008 7 9 8 6 8 1 0 0 -3
2
Volkswagen Passat
model tested: 2006 4 6 6 5 6 2 2 2 -2
0
Audi A4
model tes... 阅读全帖 |
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i**e
发帖数: 6810 | 12 按那两个网页说，rating是IIHS给的，几个星也是。可能是这里：
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/summary.aspx?class=15
你发的网页比较说明问题。下面是抄过来的data，Lexus情何以堪啊。
为啥一样重量，footwell intrusion多那么多呢
Footwell intrusion |
Instrument panel rearward movemen |
Steering column movement |
A-pillar rearward movement
3 series 2006 1 1 1 1 2 | 0 0 | -1 -3 | 0
IS 250/350 2006 10 10 12 10 3 | 3 3 | 7 0 | 0 |
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A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 14 Toyota falls short
Shoppers looking for a midprice family car will recognize some perennial
bestsellers on the TOP
SAFETY PICK+ winners' list, including the Accord, Altima and Fusion.
One nameplate they won't find is Toyota. The Camry, which is the top-selling
midsize car in the United States, and the Prius v, a 4-door hybrid wagon,
earn poor ratings for small overlap protection and are the worst performers
of the midsize group. The Camry was redesigned for 2012, and the Prius v was
an all-new m... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 15 12月 谈谈间谍问题
我一直感觉Reuters 有日本的间谍，他们会通过报道来传递针对华人屠杀的计划，和发
布不利于华人的报道，制造舆论。最重要他们后边的势力和犯罪集团有关。有必要好好
调查这个组织。
How top U.S. colleges hooked up with controversial Chinese companies
By Steve Stecklow and Alexandra Harney
Filed Dec. 2, 2016, noon GMT
New Oriental, China’s biggest private educator, has been accused of
academic fraud. Thanks to two enterprising Americans, it has also gained
access to leading U.S. college admissions officers.
SHANGHAI/SHELTER ISLAND, New York - Thomas Benson once ran a small... 阅读全帖 |
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a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 16 说你行你就行，不行也行。
说不行就不行，行也不行。
the key is "must apply constant forward pressure with the non shooting hand,
and constant rearward pressure with the shooting hand" complete opposite to
any basic marksman fundamentals. or should I say marksperson? |
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T*****e
发帖数: 799 | 17 This is from Associated Press and might be paid by Acura -
Redesigned for 2013, the Acura RDX compact sport utility vehicle is slightly
larger, with a more compliant ride, than its predecessor and has more power
than ever while beating the popular Lexus RX 350 in fuel economy ratings.
The new RDX also has more front- and rear-seat legroom than a Mercedes-Benz
GLK SUV and much more cargo space.
Better still, the revamped-for-2013 RDX is a recommended buy of Consumer
Reports magazine, where it ran... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 18 Camry 大烂车你还敢买？
2013 Toyota Camry Scores "Poor" Rating In New IIHS "Small Overlap" Crash
Test
Toyota falls short
Shoppers looking for a midprice family car will recognize some perennial
bestsellers on the TOP
SAFETY PICK+ winners' list, including the Accord, Altima and Fusion.
One nameplate they won't find is Toyota. The Camry, which is the top-selling
midsize car in the United States, and the Prius v, a 4-door hybrid wagon,
earn poor ratings for small overlap protection and are the worst perform... 阅读全帖 |
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m*********g
发帖数: 10735 | 19 lz你这是混淆视听。。
我把small overlap的injury measures转给你看看
Audi A4
•Action shot taken during the second of two small overlap frontal
crash tests.
•The dummy's position in relation to the door frame, steering wheel,
and instrument panel after the crash test indicates the driver's survival
space wasn't maintained well (second test with front and side curtain airbag
deployment).
•In the second test, the dummy moved to the left and its head slid
around the left side of the frontal airbag.
&#... 阅读全帖 |
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g********d
发帖数: 19244 | 20 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
felixcat (felixcat) 于 (Thu Mar 7 17:01:19 2013, 美东) 提到:
发现有一些人存在误解：认为碰撞测试成绩能代表有没有用高强度/超高强度/极高强度
钢材来造车身，有没有“不计成本”来给好货给消费者。从而一旦发现碰撞测试看上去
不好，就觉得车厂没有用好钢材省成本。
事实上并非这样，我下面列举一些具体的车型的车体结构，大家就能发现一些碰撞测试
成绩很好的车子，事实上并没有用很高强度的材料；而一些碰撞测试让人觉得成绩一般
的车子，事实上却是用了很不错的钢材。造成这种直觉上“对不上号”的原因在于，碰
撞测试成绩不完全取决于钢材硬度，它还跟车体形状、能量传递的设计意图有关。
首先看Audi A4。在small overlap碰撞测试成绩出来之后，这车子的结构强度在公众心
目中马上从天堂掉到了地狱。A柱拦腰截断，这不像话。
但是实际上A4车身框架用料极其足，车身结构有65%是强度超过300 MPa的高强度钢制造
；在这里面又有占全车身18%的材料是强度在500到1... 阅读全帖 |
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s**********w
发帖数: 866 | 21 果然是
“intrusion into the driver footwell was extensive and contributed to a high
risk of injury to the left lower leg and at least a significant risk to the
right lower leg. Also in both tests, the dummy's right foot was trapped by
intruding structure and the brake pedal as the left front wheel was forced
rearward and inward during the crash (second test shown).” |
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f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 22 来自主题: Automobile版 - 温故而知新 顶一下felixcat的屈服强度神贴，最近猫不大给力，大家要是想领略猫的风采还是多温
习一下猫的代表作。
http://mitbbs.org/article_t/Automobile/33931299.html
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标 题: [合集] 有关高强度钢用料、省成本和碰撞测试
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 17 15:54:58 2013, 美东)
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felixcat (felixcat) 于 (Thu Mar 7 17:01:19 2013, 美东) 提到:
发现有一些人存在误解：认为碰撞测试成绩能代表有没有用高强度/超高强度/极高强度
钢材来造车身，有没有“不计成本”来给好货给消费者。从而一旦发现碰撞测试看上去
不好，就觉得车厂没有用好钢材省成本。
事实上并非这样，我下面列举一些具体的车型的车体结构，大家就能发现一些碰撞测试
成绩很好的车子，事实上并没有用很高强度的材料；而一些碰撞测试让人觉得成绩一般
的车子，事实上却是用了很不错的钢材。造成这种直觉... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****g
发帖数: 9999 | 23 rearward facing不好办，但forward facing覆盖范围太大了，市场上从20磅到120磅的
convertibale carseat不要太多，可以轻松cover半岁到12岁没压力。 |
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a********c
发帖数: 3657 | 24
你眼神不好，最重要的4wd忘掉了，啥笨笨和expedition要是把ControlTrac太公四驱换成
torsen，成本要多6k-8k。
The ControlTrac 4-wheel-drive system’s center "differential" is a
electronically-controlled electromagnetic multi-disc (multi-plate) clutch
pack. Through use of sophisticated control software, the multi-disc clutch
imitates a traditional geared center differential. Under normal on-road
conditions, it sends 100% of torque rearward, but can send 100% of torque
forward if needed. While adjusting torque between the front and rear... 阅读全帖 |
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l**o
发帖数: 236 | 25 谢谢bata这么细致介绍！
另外，再问一下，看到有人评论说traverse的后视视野不够大(compromised rearward
visibility)，你的感觉怎样？一般开车时可能影响不大，倒车时是不是会有点影响？
再次谢谢你！ |
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f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 27 不存在“乘用车里最安全”这个概念，这个说法的主观程度就类似于说“橙子是水果里
面最好吃”那样。
正面40%碰撞，XC90成绩在一些点上不错，但光是看A柱存在位移这一点马上就
disqualify它作为“最安全”的资格。40%正碰里面，A-pillar rearward movement这
项指标极其重要。
顶棚硬度XC90甚至还差过MDX。
small overlap，XC90滑开了，没法看出结构到底有多强。但是在真正现实事故中，假
如地面摩擦力、撞击速度各项因素的不同导致XC90没有像测试里那样滑开，而是要硬吃
碰撞力量那最终后果会如何？没人知道。
侧碰XC90的测量成绩是最优秀的之一（因为Lexus RC成绩也一样好）。但可惜，传力结
构设计有缺陷，车体把过多撞击力量传给了驾驶员。IIHS也说了，在侧碰的测试条件下
，XC90驾驶员“rib fractures would be possible in a crash of this severity”
。连Corolla的侧碰都不会有这种情况，因此XC90其实在这项上其实是很丢脸的。
因此安全程度总体来看，XC90在一些地方上做得... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****e
发帖数: 893 | 28 http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/ratings-info/frontal-crash-tes
Most modern cars have safety cages encapsulating the occupant compartment
and built to withstand head-on collisions and moderate overlap frontal
crashes with little deformation. At the same time, crush zones help manage
crash energy to reduce forces on the occupant compartment. The main crush-
zone structures are concentrated in the middle 50 percent of the front end.
When a crash involves these structures, the occupant compartment ... 阅读全帖 |
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i*****s
发帖数: 15215 | 29 Shark devours another shark whole
National Geographic has released this soon-to-be classic photograph of one
shark eating another shark whole.
The photo comes from Daniela Ceccarelli, of Australia's Research Council
Center of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies. Ceccarelli was working with
fellow researcher David Williamson on conducting a "fish census" off Great
Keppel Island, part of the country's Great Barrier Reef. That's when
Ceccarelli thought she spotted a brown-banded bamboo shark hanging... 阅读全帖 |
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o*******p
发帖数: 722 | 30 The trigger was pulled before the pictured was taken. That is why the
trigger is at the rearward position. Glock manual says you should pulled
the trigger before putting the gun in storage. |
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f*********n
发帖数: 11154 | 31 在移动中射击技巧的文章：
http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_training/tactical_movement_111810/
......
As a general rule, your feet should be pointed in the direction you're
moving while your upper body turns in relation to the threat. The
obvious exception would be when you're required to take a quick step or
two laterally. In such a case, you would first take a large step with
the leg closest to the direction of movement followed by a smaller step
with your other leg.
When moving forward, step in a heel-to... 阅读全帖 |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 32 and one last thing, the shell riser/carrier tray in remington 870 and nova
is always in the down position, where as in mossberg it only comes down when
the bolt is rearward/action open.
Remington:
Mossberg:
how is this significant?
your thumb may get caught between the lip and the receiver, and if you wear
glove, it is very likely to get caught as well.
this problem does not exist on mossbergs. however, if you look closely at
the white arrow, this is where the tip of your thumb can run into duri... 阅读全帖 |
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S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 33 A 12 gauge shotgun should weight around 8-8.5 lbs. If it's too light the
felt recoil would be hard to handle.
Stay clear of PGO (pistol-grip only), those are hard to shoot; or any of the
recoil absorbing stocks. They are either spring loaded or hydraulic, they
may reduce some felt recoil, but too much rearward movement of the gun means
improper cheek weld or get smacked in the face by the receiver.
An 18.5" - 20" barrel shotgun with traditional rifle stock is your best bet,
you can slip on a lim... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******e
发帖数: 1298 | 34 借楼提个问题啦～～谢谢～
例如看 steering column 的 Rearward Movement(cm)
现在安全性好的车的数都是负值也就是说方向盘柱都是向前移动的，这样很好但是问题
是如果一个车是-4 一个车是0，到底怎么理解呢？0的是不是车身强度高还用不上方向
盘移动的“功能”，所以它安全？还是方向盘前移的车子更安全呢？因为它毕竟方向盘
前移了，但是是因为车身强度不够采用上了这个“功能”？
咋理解呢？？？谢谢～～ |
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e**n
发帖数: 1326 | 35 Bear with english i can't type chinese at work:
I didn't mean the F10 is fully steel, I should have said it more clear.
I read from a website http://www.autozine.org/Archive/BMW/new/5er_F10.html saying F10 has a steel monocoque. Only the outside panels (fender, door panels, hood, trunklid etc) are made of alumnium. It made sense to me as F10 is so much heavier than E60, almost 10% increase in weight. But size grew nowhere near that much.
I am fine with putting the engine rearward but my proble... 阅读全帖 |
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e**n
发帖数: 1326 | 36 I agree some people want space some people want performance. BMW definitely
delivers its value in providing a luxury car that drives decently sporty.
However, with the new 3 series and new 5 series BMW begins to betray their
tradition and probably your expectation too.
To be clear what I am dissapointed is not putting priority on performance
over space or comfort, I do like fun driving cars. What BMW fails to deliver
is a products that's better in everyway, or at least, better in someway and
not... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********r
发帖数: 19468 | 37 How about the official press release?
2015 SUBARU WRX® MAKES WORLD DEBUT AT LOS ANGELES AUTO SHOW
New platform offers a stiffer, more agile chassis for Subaru global
performance icon
New torque-vectoring system reduces understeer
New 268-hp 2.0-liter direct-injection turbo BOXER engine
New standard 6-speed manual transmission
New Sport Lineartronic® CVT with manual modes
LOS ANGELES, Nov. 20, 2013 – Subaru of America, Inc. today introduced the
2015 WRX, a more powerful and better handl... 阅读全帖 |
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I******I
发帖数: 14241 | 38 基本没什么形变。
Moderate overlap front
Steering column movement
Upward (cm) -2
Rearward (cm) -6
还会缩阳入腹？ |
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 39 看看下面的说法：
SPA allows Volvo to build vehicles that share components and manufacturing p
rocesses but have different wheelbases, front and rear overhangs, and cowl a
nd roof heights. The one dimension that is fixed across all SPA vehicles, ho
wever, is dash-to-axle, and this is the key to the S90’s upscale ambition.
“Luxury starts with proportion,” says Volvo senior design director Tisha J
ohnson. Compared with the old S80, the S90’s front axle has been pushed for
ward more than 7 inches, and the f... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 40 Great price on a pistol with night sights:
SIGARMS INC Model P250 Semi Automatic Pistols
Sig Sauer 15 + 1 Round, 9MM Compact w/Night Sights, Black Nitron Finish.
The Sig Sauer P250 was designed specifically to address the future needs of
the military and law enforcement professional s around the world. The
innovative design of the removable steel frame housed in a polymer grip
module allows agencies and units to change caliber, pistol size (subcompact,
compact and full), trigger length and grip... 阅读全帖 |
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w*******y
发帖数: 60932 | 41 Beretta PX4 Storm .40 S&W for $399.99 ( New Lower Price ) + S/H To Your FFL
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BERETTA PX4 STORM- FULL SIZE .40 S&W
The new Beretta Px4 Storm pistol is the most advanced expression of
technological and aesthetic features in a semiautomatic sidearm. Built
around a modular concept that a pistol can be adapted to different needs and
modes of operations, without compromising on ergonomics and t... 阅读全帖 |
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