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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 2 nash1031's opinion makes sense. We should call some marginal hands otherwise
we could be bluffed too easily. But I'm not sure what number is considered
as an "optimal" number. And I believe such "optimal" number changes when you
move up or down your level.
How about PFR% and 3-bet%? And call 3-bet%? From the game I feel I'm playing
weak (limp at high limit, raise at low limit), but would like to know what
% numbers look more "optimal".
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 3 PFR%有些低，我是21.7/18，3bet5.4% wtsd28.9%（高了），w$sd51.6
我觉得wtsd w$sd 25/50比较好，不过我打的6max 要比9人桌loose。
我觉得你可以降低vpip，limp的牌fold或者raise。不要call
otherwise
considered
you
playing
what |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 Do not know. Sounds you are too tight. I check my cash full ring games, it
shows vpip is 24%, pfr is 23%.
But my final result is not good. Only 1bb/100.
Maybe I need grind more to check if my winrate can go up a little.
difference |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 very good result, play a style you fit well.
VPIP and PFR are very very low though, meaning you only play/raise with
almost just premium hands. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 6 好吧...我承认另外1个多buyin是自己犯错搭进去的...顺便请教下，3-table rush，一
般vpip/pfr应该在什么样的水平？我是14/10，normal cash我是18/14的样子。
不谦虚的说，现在确实比之前read的水平有长进，有些river big bet能读出bluff了（
当然也有读错lose big的时候） |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 7 对手比较tight，当时觉得一定要fold，后来想想pod odds大约是3.5:1,是不是应该cal
l呢
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Full Tilt)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Apollo (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $30.17 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $14.39 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $41.44 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $28.32 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 14, AF: Infinity, Ha
nds: 26
Seat 5: Player5 ( $12.48 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $25.56 USD )
Seat 7: Player7 ( $25.64 USD )
Seat 8: Player8 ( $32.26 USD )
Seat 9: Her... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 8 Harrington's book has a exact same example and I think it is very useful.
It is all about opponents range and distribution. If he is tight, say vpip/
pfr like 8/8, 10/8, most likely he plays high card or high pair.
A 6d3d6h board is very good flop for 77s against tight player. Most of his
range missed the flop and there is only small pct that he had flush draw. I
like your check-raise on the flop. If he doesn't have a over pair, then it
is very hard for him to proceed.
Note that you can't just c... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 9 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 leakbuster 说我除了小盲大盲fold to raise steal还可以之外 其他全fail
说手要紧，但是要多偷盲，3bet要多， pfr/vpip 需要达到78%和90%之间才算合理
请高手们赐教 这些是不是ABC |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 低手说两句。
这些肯定不是ABC了，起码也是EFG，能做到这个标准，领悟到这个程度，并且实战中能
切实使用(而不是似懂非懂)的，起码是100NL以上稳定的TAG赢家了。
"pfr/vpip 需要达到78%和90%之间才算合理"，俺就达不到，70%都差点。
3 bet要多，这个倒同意，敞开了这个口子，甜头比较大，对对手风格，位置感，stack
size等的观察都要比较熟悉。就好比学开车，你要叫新手多踩油门，肯定车毁人亡，
因为这个必须是得结合经验，看路，看路标，看其他行车状况才能综合决定的事情，新
手根本腾不出注意力来干这个。
偷盲，现在有点用得太滥了，即使micro stake里面，尤其是rush games，很多人不自
觉的auto steal，然后又缺乏control的能力，不是乌龟马上缩头认输，就是搬石头砸
脚搞大了下不来台。反过来exploit偷盲者的moves现在也很流行。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 11 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 pfr/vpip 达到78%和90% is very easy. Mine is 77.8 currently.
Just don't cold call too often. Only cold call with speculative hands when
multiple people in the pot, or very good implied odds. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 12 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 If you eliminate all the leaks shown in Leakbuster. I think you're at least
5bb-10bb/100 winning player.
Easy ones to fix is VPIP, pfr, fold to 3 bet percentage, Cbet percentage ... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 I play 3 table of NL25 (9max). I get around 70 FTP points per hour. It is so
slow to accumulate FTP points.
I have very high vpip and pfr also, still very hard to get enough FTP points
. And it is not so easy to earn money from the games at the same time. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 You are right.
Just have a crazy session. 15% 3bet%, which is higher than average player's
PFR. Plus, I have a super low Win at ShowDown rate, only 25%.
Need adjust now. |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 15 actually tight player's range is relatively easy to figure out. in multi way
part the ppl I am afraid of is those loose goose player. especially those
flop seems wet.
against such a tight player with vpip 10 and pfr 6 and c-3-bet 45, the card
he can call your three bet come down to this: pair jj or higher , Ak suited
or off-suited. that is it. that construct to be 3% of ranges which he can
all your 3-bet range.
AA or Kk is less likely since he face a raise and reraise before him as a
tight reg, ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 16 i dont think it has do with style, rather it is a personality. We are who
we are.
i will never comfortable playing lag style and use my whole stack bluff with
air like tom dwan.
you can be a nit and still win money. my results are dramatically improved
when i cut down my vpip and pfr range in half.
An advantage being a nit is when you go aggressive to a pot, your bluff
almost always get a pass. ppl look at your 12/10 and 55 w$sd, they always
give u respect and let you get away with your bluff. ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 17 UTG raise 3x with JJ, fold around to BB and he 3bet to 12x. he has a stat of
vpip 8 pfr 4 and 3bet 4.x. I had about 80 hands with him. I folded because
this raise seems a bit bigger than usual and he's so tight ...
my stat should be around 17/12/4 to him. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 18 opponet always pot 3bet , and he has a 5% 3bet range, 17/14 vpip/pfr
so will you fold? |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 you can set the how many hands needed in your HEM to display the stat in
HUD.
so how many hands in your hand history needed for some of these stat to be
meaningful? it seems for the for VPIP, PFR etc, some sample size is OK. (
like 1000? ) but for winning and some other rare stat(like check/raise on
river etc) need a lot more data for the stat to be meaningful.
偶不懂统计， 但觉得很多参数许要很大的样本空间， 另外大家打Rush,
HUD 里面都
加那些数据啊。
谢了！ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 1K hands is a lot, even for rush, if you've played that many of hands with
someone, he/she must be a reg already.
i have stats on 190K players, most of them about 10-500 hands i guess, some
regs could go up like 3K.
i only use the basic 3 VPIP/PFR/AF, but MM said she uses more, like river
stats, for me, i don't have time to digest all those numbers, at the same
time checking notes.
be |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 21 If I remember correctly, windstormm started by playing tight as well. I
think his EV was close to 12/8 or sth like that, correct me if I am wrong,
windstorm.
I think he plays a lot more aggressive because he was winning a lot of money
and on one hand, give him a lot of confidence to make moves, and the other,
like Fryking says, a big bankroll backs him up and he can withstand any
kind of downswing without effect his mood too much. So it is more money,
more confidence, more confidence result in m... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 22 why not single table rush? care to explain? thanks. Also what does these
number like "19/16", "12/8" you all use? Is it VPIP/PFR number?
join me |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 23 thx. I made the call, but felt it was pretty borderline. not much read on
villain, his pfr is 23% over 60ish hands, which does not mean much since it
is
super turbo. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 24 I adjust my 3 bet range base on villain's opening range. Villain's open
ranging is really wide specially at LP. With couple hundred hands, his
overall pfr is 20.
KQ is a good hand to 3 bet because it acts as a block. KQ is only behind AA,
KK, QQ, AK. Assuming his opening range is around 30%, only 2.6% would be AA
, KK, QQ, AK. And when you have QK yourself, the chance for him to have a
premium hand drops to 1.8%. About 94% time, you're ahead or slightly behind.
Also you need to have a plan befor... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 25 sb stats over 113 hands
VPIP/PFR/3BET/3bet@sb/
23/14/12.2/13/
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 26 朋友 你的数据能晒一下么 输赢倒是其次 我很好奇你的vpip pfr af 以及 cbet rate
还有 3bet 4bet的数据 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 27 我查了一下HM，我NL100里面raked hands大概有26%
W$WSF是44.3%，差不多11.5%手要贡献.5个bb，贡献的bb应该有5-6 bb/ 100 hand
扣去rakeback的话差不多是3个左右的bb
基本符合事实
NL100晚上10点以后鱼实在太多了，一桌6个人里面平均有2个人VPIP-PFR>20 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 28 最近开始玩一些低级别的PLO，也挺有意思的，低级别Pool里面不会玩的也不少
凑合能打打
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $11.22 - VPIP: 11, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 10.0, Hands: 82
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Qc Td 7c Jd
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, UTG
calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.25) 2s Ah Kc (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.00, CO folds, Hero ? (raise/call) |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 29 Thanks for all the comments.
Hand 2: I should check on the turn. (1) I had pretty much no equity there (2
) I still have the chance to bluff them away on the river if they both had a
drawing hand. Contiueing bluff mode and don't know when to stop is one of
my big problems.
Hand 4: I am happy with the river raise since I would play over pair the
exact same way. There is no merit to raise the turn with over pair since it
just turned my hand to bluff. And if he picked up additional oddes such as
QJ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 30 Hand 1: As played, I'd make a small river bet and try to induce bluff. If I
play this hand, I prefer leading out on the flop since (1) this flop is sort
of safe to PFR in general; (2) our hand has decent equity to continue if
being raised. If turn made the flush, I would continue with a small amount
bet
Hand 2: As played, I'd just call. Looked like the K helped him one way or
another, either made the straight (QJ) or picked up a pair or improved to
two pairs or a pure bluff. No matter what he ha... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论一手牌 it depends how what kind of opponent you think PFR is. If he is kind of
person who can make a lot of big laydown, you can raise/shove the turn.
Looks a lot stronger to raise the turn.
when
no |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论一手牌 I don't like this shove. Hard to make him lay down KsK or AsA and you are
almost drawing dead. If you have AsX then it's much better. At least you
have more real outs, and he has less hand with nut flush draw too.
it depends how what kind of opponent you think PFR is. If he is kind of
person who can m........
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 33 I think your play is okay. If I played, I probably just shoved on the turn
when he raised because your river bet was so small that some ppl may call
you with a over pair thinking they are pot committed here.
Don't like PFR's turn raise at all. Actually based on his move, I feel there
is a good chance that you bluffed with the best hand. |
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w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 34 Happy new year, gamblers! ^_^
%%Background:
I was playing in a local poker club for almost half a year. The game is $1/$
3 with unlimited straddle and sleeper. It is at the similar level as $2/$5
in Borgata. Preflop bet is usually $15 to $25.
Last nite, there were 9 ppl. I played with most of them before. Half of the
players is LAG. 1/2 of these LAGs can bet/call/raise with any two cards
preflop.
Villain is super aggressive. Lots of cbets and many bluffings.
He bought in $1k or $2K every time, a... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 35 what is ur vpip/pfr, sister? |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 36 More content from that thread that I think helpful:
This is about donking:
" I think leading into the pfr is will become a much more common practice
in the future of poker. I think it's the next 3betting light, c/c lead turn,
fastplaying sets, or c/r rivers. Each goes in style at one point and then
people figure out more about it.
The reason I think I can't figure it out yet is that so much of the value of
the play has to do with how your opponent will react to it. I don't reall... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 37 Without strong read to villian, I'd fold here.
Just throw my thoughts out for discussion.
(1) When you bet on the turn, you certainly represent a strong made hand (AK
/TT/33). If you have a tight image on the table, villian can reasonably
discount 33 (not totally though) from your range. There are three
combinations for holding TT, hence you have more chances holding AK,
especially when villian has a T in his hand (like ATh).
(2) When villian called on the flop, he definitely has sth (FD/OESD/se... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 38 Don't like the pfr in hand 2 either. As played, I'd probably c/c the turn as
well if your read is correct that villian is aggressive and he doesn't play
his drawing hand fast on the flop. But I am leaning toward to call the
river bet. As Fryking pointed out, Villian may float you with anything. And
your turn c/c showed weakness. In Villian's mind, the best hand you could
have is AQ/AJ, which can't stand the heat on the river. He would bet the
river for almost any river card IMO. Plus I think 1:2... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 39 hand 1: When I saw her small c-bet followed by 3-bet, my first reaction was
"damn, she got JJ". If hero believes she would never play the same way with
over-pair, then fold. Otherwise call or shove is the same difference to me.
I might vote for shove because of hero's image.
hand 2: First of all, I think villian was unlikely to be pure bluff on the
river. So let's look at what hands he would value-bet,
(1) pocket pair (JJ/QQ) an middle pair (AT)
(2) top pair (AK/KQ/KJ)
(3) two pair (67/68/... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 40
tighten
to
less
etc
NL25 6-MAX
The scary thing is I actually play in a semi-conservative style. My feel, it
is all of a sudden after one night, bunch of new agg ids join in the tables
, I usually mark them as pushy players. with vpip/pfr 30ish/20ish, their
basic AF > 8,and with high frequency of 2 barrels/3 barrels. pf 3bet rates
are also high. The game is not that soft any more. and recently I always ran
into the underdog side of coolers. Good thing is I can still control my
allin btn. Seems s... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 41 Mine is 78% now.
I still play 12.5vpip in FR but has 5.8 3 betting now. . I ajust my
online cash game by 3 betting a lot more in position and works pretty well.
My 3 betting range is from 67s-AA. I find out that 3 betting with sc in
position is very profitable play. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 42 别人不4-bet么。 你3bet后出的cbet比例多大
well. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 43 for 100BB cap game, 4 bet needs to commit a big percentage of your chips.
You do not know if I have 67s or AA. This makes 3 betting so powerful. I can
easily fold to 4 bet most of time. But I got 4 bet rare enough to make 3 bet
profitable. You can pick up a lot of dead money many times.
I cbet 64.5% after 3 betting. But checking behind does not mean I do not
have anything or give up the pot. |
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q**q
发帖数: 51 | 44
Do you 3 bet AQs, JJ, TT in position? how often would you fold those hands
to 4 bet?0BB cap game, 4 bet needs to commit a big percentage of your chips.
can
bet |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 45 you are increasing ur 3bet % in your villain's database, i think, lol
soon u will find more and more 4bet is coming |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 从回帖可以看出Jim 的悲惨经历哈. 同情...
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 47 这个问题问得好啊。
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搬个板凳坐等版3 解答。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 48 I do 3 bet with these hands in position sometime, but fold to 4 bet most
of time with these hands. It is still very profitable since most villian's 4
bet range is only KK, AA, sometime AK, only a very small portion of their
open range. It really depends who raise and raise from what postion. If
the effective stack is deep enough, I will call TT, JJ with small 4 betting
in position.
I usually call with AQs,even Aks in position , especially in multiway pot
since it has more value postfl... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 49 then you will see more 5 betting coming...:)
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 50 then finally both of u will converege to an optimal play |
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