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TexasHoldem版 - A few hands yesterday
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128
1
Hand 1: Stack size 1070$. 2-3 spread limit game. I have JJ limping UTG,
several other limpers including MP who is super loose and aggressive. MP has
around 700$. BTN is a lady who just joined in. Seems tight. She raises to
15. BB calls. I want to isolate so I reraise to 47. However, suddenly MP LAG
repops to 90 more. Everyone else folds. I don't think he limps with a very
big hand in MP, so I want to reraise to show him that I am not squeezing,
and also to find out if he indeed has a hand. However, because it is a
spread limit game. The dealer tells me that it is capped now so I cannot
reraise anymore. Now two to see the flop. Flop A 10 3 with two spades. I
don't think he would reraise that much with AK, so I bet 125$, and he
immediately raises to 300. I have to fold now. So I fold my hand and say to
him:" raise, reraise, you have nothing!" He looks at me and answers:" I have
nothing?" and he flips over his KK. I then apologize to him. I say to him:"
you played very well with you KK. I never put you on that hand." Recently,
I 've seen so many people limping with big hand in MP. Very snicky and scary.
Hand 2: this is the hand right after hand 1. Since I just lost almost 270$
to that guy. I am getting more aggressive, which is not bad, because I don't
have the burden to protect my stack anymore. I'll just play what I want. It
actually works better when you don't care too much about the money. Stack
size around 800$. I have KQo on BB. UTG raises to 7, and a lot of callers. I
reraise to 37. I hear people whispering:" that's a steaming raise." MP
loose passive old lady calls and BB loose passive guy calls also. Three to
the flop. Flop Jh 10h 3s. Both check to me. I bet 65$. Old lady folds. BB
instantly calls. Turn is a 8d. He checks again. I put him on a weak Jack or
draw. So I analyze the situation for a minute and push all in. He
immediately folds. He tells me he has KQ.
Hand 3: A few hands later after hand 2. Stack size 1000$. I have Ks10s on
the BTN. Raise to 12$. UTG LAG who is the same guy from hand 1 calls, and
another caller joins in. LAG has around 1100$. Flop KdQc3c. UTG leads out
for 16$, the other pre-flop caller folds. I think he might have a weak king.
So I raise him to 45. He instantly calls. Turn was an 8d. He checks, and I
bet 80$. He immediately calls again. Now he got me confused. What does he
have? Flush draw? Two pair? Not a big king. I know he would raise pre-flop.
Anyway, river is a 10c. That's a sick card. It gives me two pair but also
completes the flush on the board. The board now is Kd Qc 3c 8d 10c. He
immediately bets out 200$. While he is getting out his chips to bet, I am
pretending I am going to fold to try to let him bet a little less, but it
doesn't work. 200 is the bet. I go into tank. I know he doesn't have two
pair because he would reraise me on the flop. Not any king either because
there is no reason to value bet on the river since I represent a very strong
line. The only possibility is the flush. At the beginning, he looked very
confident. As the time passes by, I look at his face. It seems very nervous
to me. He stares at the TV the whole time. Also I recall that he hesitated a
little bit when he leaded out on the flop. Anyway, after a long analysis, I
decide to call. After I announced call, he didn't move. Everyone was
staring at him wanting to see what he got. He then said," I don't have flush
." I still don't want to turn over my cards until he does. He then shows his
Qd9d. So my two pair finally got my money back from him. It was a tough
call though. That guy is capable of anything. He would bet that much even he
hits his flush.
H****r
发帖数: 2801
2
Nice hands!
That UTG guy seems a tough player to have on the table.
Usually limping KK in MP is not very profitable though from my experience.
There's a A on the flop. That guy must had a read on you and brave enough to
push allin facing that A...

has
LAG
very

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: Stack size 1070$. 2-3 spread limit game. I have JJ limping UTG,
: several other limpers including MP who is super loose and aggressive. MP has
: around 700$. BTN is a lady who just joined in. Seems tight. She raises to
: 15. BB calls. I want to isolate so I reraise to 47. However, suddenly MP LAG
: repops to 90 more. Everyone else folds. I don't think he limps with a very
: big hand in MP, so I want to reraise to show him that I am not squeezing,
: and also to find out if he indeed has a hand. However, because it is a
: spread limit game. The dealer tells me that it is capped now so I cannot
: reraise anymore. Now two to see the flop. Flop A 10 3 with two spades. I
: don't think he would reraise that much with AK, so I bet 125$, and he

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
3
Yes.That's a very dangerous move. Even the dealer said to me that a lot of
people would give up after seeing an A on the flop. I folded my KK on an Ace
flop in Bellagio after raise-reraise pre-flop. The TAG is tough, but he is
too loose. I think I could get a little more of his money if i stayed longer
. His stack was up and down several times. He later lost his 1100 stack to
100, and he then rebought. He then went all in with Ks7s on the turn with
flush draw. Two other callers. One was As6s. Another one was 1010, an over
pair. He then hit his K on the river and tripped his stack up.

to

【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: Nice hands!
: That UTG guy seems a tough player to have on the table.
: Usually limping KK in MP is not very profitable though from my experience.
: There's a A on the flop. That guy must had a read on you and brave enough to
: push allin facing that A...
:
: has
: LAG
: very

H****r
发帖数: 2801
4
lol
Another tilt victim under Lzi MM's poker power...

Ace
is
longer
to

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Yes.That's a very dangerous move. Even the dealer said to me that a lot of
: people would give up after seeing an A on the flop. I folded my KK on an Ace
: flop in Bellagio after raise-reraise pre-flop. The TAG is tough, but he is
: too loose. I think I could get a little more of his money if i stayed longer
: . His stack was up and down several times. He later lost his 1100 stack to
: 100, and he then rebought. He then went all in with Ks7s on the turn with
: flush draw. Two other callers. One was As6s. Another one was 1010, an over
: pair. He then hit his K on the river and tripped his stack up.
:
: to

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
5
what is ur vpip/pfr, sister?
c******q
发帖数: 456
6
Hand 1: I don't like your plan to 4-bet pf because there is no folding
equity if the villian is a SLAG as you described. If he calls, I don't think
you would feel comfortable at all on any flop (except J high). If he 5-bet
shoves, it is tough to fold with 2:1 odds to call when villian has SLAG
image. Usually it is not a good idea to play mid-pair OOP with deep stack
against LAG players. I prefer folding pf.
Hand 2: I don't quite like the squeeze here either. (1) I give UTG raise
more credit (unless you have clear read on the player); (2) KQo is not a
good hand to continue if being called. I'd rather to squeeze with 76/86 type
of hands. But I like your post-flop play. 8d doesn't help villian much
unless he has Q9h/97h. And it is unlikely that villian has a strong made
hand on the flop such as a set or two pairs. A shove can force him to fold
most of his hands (top pair, str-draw with a pair, probably even flush-draw
with a pair). Even got called, hero still has quite a few odds to suck out.
Hand 3: Sorry, I have to say I don't like the flop raise. With such a
marginal hand, I would control pot size and choose to call here. You will
have less and less confidence to the strength of your hand after turn /
river cards come. Ask yourself, would you call the bet if the river card was
a different club (or let's say a total blank)? Generally it is not a good
idea to put in more than 25% of stack with a bluff catcher, it is even worse
when you have chance to keep it small but choose not to.
d*****0
发帖数: 1500
7
cant help laughing when reading cookie's commence.
I think the key difference is that, cookie's thinking is more conservative/
defensive, and heroine's thinking is way offensive especially when leading
the action. With solid base knowledge and good live sense, I believe both
styles can work very well on different style villains.
What I XIANMUJIDUHENG is,
Although I believe the proper lag style against those live 1/2 weak solid
laoyeye can work very well, I don't have the heart to undertake the variance
.
W********m
发帖数: 7793
8
这帖很欢乐. 不错.
c******q
发帖数: 456
9
不加点乐?

这帖很欢乐. 不错.
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这帖很欢乐. 不错.
f*****g
发帖数: 15860
10
确实,每次俺看见女将说又是up XXX,俺合计着这得是多少人的眼泪啊,哭诉啊,所谓
一将功成万骨枯,至少好几个人要孤独郁闷的开车回家,抽自己耳瓜子。

【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: lol
: Another tilt victim under Lzi MM's poker power...
:
: Ace
: is
: longer
: to

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W********m
发帖数: 7793
11
要是我多说两句, 这帖就不欢乐了.. 还是欢乐好.

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 不加点乐?
:
: 这帖很欢乐. 不错.
: ★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36

c******q
发帖数: 456
12
:)

要是我多说两句, 这帖就不欢乐了.. 还是欢乐好.
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 要是我多说两句, 这帖就不欢乐了.. 还是欢乐好.
s******e
发帖数: 44
13
还在LV?
l*****g
发帖数: 1128
14
Don't be sorry. You don't have to like my play. Everyone plays differently.
I just posted my hands here to share and discuss.

think
bet
type

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: I don't like your plan to 4-bet pf because there is no folding
: equity if the villian is a SLAG as you described. If he calls, I don't think
: you would feel comfortable at all on any flop (except J high). If he 5-bet
: shoves, it is tough to fold with 2:1 odds to call when villian has SLAG
: image. Usually it is not a good idea to play mid-pair OOP with deep stack
: against LAG players. I prefer folding pf.
: Hand 2: I don't quite like the squeeze here either. (1) I give UTG raise
: more credit (unless you have clear read on the player); (2) KQo is not a
: good hand to continue if being called. I'd rather to squeeze with 76/86 type
: of hands. But I like your post-flop play. 8d doesn't help villian much

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
15
有UP也有DOWN,玩得开心最好。

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 确实,每次俺看见女将说又是up XXX,俺合计着这得是多少人的眼泪啊,哭诉啊,所谓
: 一将功成万骨枯,至少好几个人要孤独郁闷的开车回家,抽自己耳瓜子。

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
16
"Ask yourself, would you call the bet if the river card was a different club
(or let's say a total blank)? Generally it is not a good idea to put in
more than 25% of stack with a bluff catcher, it is even worse
when you have chance to keep it small but choose not to."
____________________________________________________________________
Just finished reading your comments. Of course I would call if it wasn't a 10
of clubs.The 200 river bet made his hand range so polarized. He either had
the flush or he couldn't beat the king. It was obviously I had a king or a
big hand, so why would he want to risk that much to value bet with a
possible flush on the river? Or what made him to think I only had K10 with
my raise on the flop and 80 bet on the turn? So if he had king he would not
bet. 200 bet meant he was either bluffing or he got the flush? Nothing else.
Plus, if he did have a better hand I would expected more action from him on
the flop or the turn. Not on the scary river. You think I called him
because I got two pair on the river? Don't want to be mean. But LOL...
Let's also assume the river was a total blank. Same reason. It would actually made my call much easier than a club. What else could he hit with a blank river to make him bet 200? like I said, I would expect much more action from him on earlier streets with anything worth 200 river bet. So why not call?
Plus, you don't have to check/call or pot control when you know you're ahead
as long as you can fold when you know your hand is no good anymore. If you
always want to bet big when you have the nuts, then I don't think you will
ever be a good player because there is no skills involved. Everyone can bet
big or do whatever they want when they have the nuts.

think
bet
type

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: I don't like your plan to 4-bet pf because there is no folding
: equity if the villian is a SLAG as you described. If he calls, I don't think
: you would feel comfortable at all on any flop (except J high). If he 5-bet
: shoves, it is tough to fold with 2:1 odds to call when villian has SLAG
: image. Usually it is not a good idea to play mid-pair OOP with deep stack
: against LAG players. I prefer folding pf.
: Hand 2: I don't quite like the squeeze here either. (1) I give UTG raise
: more credit (unless you have clear read on the player); (2) KQo is not a
: good hand to continue if being called. I'd rather to squeeze with 76/86 type
: of hands. But I like your post-flop play. 8d doesn't help villian much

n*****t
发帖数: 190
17
Hand 1: Fold pre. Most time you are way behind here.
Hand 2: KQ is not that kind of hands we usually 3 bet pre flop. You would
see a lot of pros 3 bet pre-flop with AK or AQ, but KQ is not a choice.
Hand 3: Could you tell me the reason why you reraised on the flop? It would
only push the hands you beat to fold and get the call with better hands. On
the river, I would say fold. As Cookieqq said, 2 pair is only a bluff
catcher here. And as my experience, most time you would find the villain hit
the flush here.

has
LAG
very

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: Stack size 1070$. 2-3 spread limit game. I have JJ limping UTG,
: several other limpers including MP who is super loose and aggressive. MP has
: around 700$. BTN is a lady who just joined in. Seems tight. She raises to
: 15. BB calls. I want to isolate so I reraise to 47. However, suddenly MP LAG
: repops to 90 more. Everyone else folds. I don't think he limps with a very
: big hand in MP, so I want to reraise to show him that I am not squeezing,
: and also to find out if he indeed has a hand. However, because it is a
: spread limit game. The dealer tells me that it is capped now so I cannot
: reraise anymore. Now two to see the flop. Flop A 10 3 with two spades. I
: don't think he would reraise that much with AK, so I bet 125$, and he

n*****t
发帖数: 190
18
"Plus, you don't have to check/call or pot control when you know you're
ahead
as long as you can fold when you know your hand is no good anymore. "
This is not the first time you say "you know you are ahead". Based on result
, you were indeed ahead at that time. My question is how did you know you
are ahead on the flop or turn? I think there should be some hands in your
poker career, your thoughts has been proved wrong when you saw the showdown.
You might need to consider sometimes your thoughts are not objective.

club
10
with

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: "Ask yourself, would you call the bet if the river card was a different club
: (or let's say a total blank)? Generally it is not a good idea to put in
: more than 25% of stack with a bluff catcher, it is even worse
: when you have chance to keep it small but choose not to."
: ____________________________________________________________________
: Just finished reading your comments. Of course I would call if it wasn't a 10
: of clubs.The 200 river bet made his hand range so polarized. He either had
: the flush or he couldn't beat the king. It was obviously I had a king or a
: big hand, so why would he want to risk that much to value bet with a
: possible flush on the river? Or what made him to think I only had K10 with

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
19
Hand 1: most of time yes, but not a limped super LAG MP reraises. I wanted
to reraise 100 more, if he went all in , then I fold. It would cost me the
same no matter what.
Hand 2: I don't 3 bet KQ often, but that doesn't mean I can never do it. It
just depends on the situation. They thought I was steaming, but I actually
got a better hand than they thought. I don't believe there is strict rules
for not 3 bet KQ or whatever other hands you want to name. You can always
play ABC poker, but I don't.
Hand 3: I raised on the flop because I knew I was ahead. Folding a big bet
on the river even if you know villain has a very good chance of bluffing
just doesn't make sense to me. Same to me for waiting for the nuts to make
money. You aren't that lucky to get nuts often. No risk, no reward. You don'
t want to risk, then don't play NL poker, just play limit hold'em since they
can't bet 200.

would
On
hit

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: Fold pre. Most time you are way behind here.
: Hand 2: KQ is not that kind of hands we usually 3 bet pre flop. You would
: see a lot of pros 3 bet pre-flop with AK or AQ, but KQ is not a choice.
: Hand 3: Could you tell me the reason why you reraised on the flop? It would
: only push the hands you beat to fold and get the call with better hands. On
: the river, I would say fold. As Cookieqq said, 2 pair is only a bluff
: catcher here. And as my experience, most time you would find the villain hit
: the flush here.
:
: has

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
20
How did the result show me wrong when villian showed his Q9? I don't
understand your logic, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.
You focus on improving your game, and I will do the same.

result
showdown.

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: "Plus, you don't have to check/call or pot control when you know you're
: ahead
: as long as you can fold when you know your hand is no good anymore. "
: This is not the first time you say "you know you are ahead". Based on result
: , you were indeed ahead at that time. My question is how did you know you
: are ahead on the flop or turn? I think there should be some hands in your
: poker career, your thoughts has been proved wrong when you saw the showdown.
: You might need to consider sometimes your thoughts are not objective.
:
: club

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n*****t
发帖数: 190
21
Hand 1: You said he is a super LAG person. Can you define super LAG? Did
this "super LAG person" 4 bet some hands pre flop with nothing or worse than
JJ before?
Hand 2: Ok let it go.
Hand 3: "I raised on the flop because I knew I was ahead".
Just tell me how did you know you're ahead. Than we could discuss
this later.

It

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: most of time yes, but not a limped super LAG MP reraises. I wanted
: to reraise 100 more, if he went all in , then I fold. It would cost me the
: same no matter what.
: Hand 2: I don't 3 bet KQ often, but that doesn't mean I can never do it. It
: just depends on the situation. They thought I was steaming, but I actually
: got a better hand than they thought. I don't believe there is strict rules
: for not 3 bet KQ or whatever other hands you want to name. You can always
: play ABC poker, but I don't.
: Hand 3: I raised on the flop because I knew I was ahead. Folding a big bet
: on the river even if you know villain has a very good chance of bluffing

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
22
Hand 3: "I raised on the flop because I knew I was ahead".
Just tell me how did you know you're ahead. Than we could discuss
this later.
How? Based on my observation of his betting pattern in the last 4 hours? Do
I have to tell you everything? AND, I'm done my discussion with you. Go find
somebody else who has free time.

than

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: You said he is a super LAG person. Can you define super LAG? Did
: this "super LAG person" 4 bet some hands pre flop with nothing or worse than
: JJ before?
: Hand 2: Ok let it go.
: Hand 3: "I raised on the flop because I knew I was ahead".
: Just tell me how did you know you're ahead. Than we could discuss
: this later.
:
: It

n*****t
发帖数: 190
23
I am posting my thoughts here for 2 reasons:
1. let you improve your play since you have so many leaks. I think you are
posting your hands here to let us discuss right?
2. I am posting my thoughts here to share my ideas about your hands to
everybody on this forum not only the original poster. And I hope some people
could get some ideas and nutrition from my post.
If you do not want to get any opposite ideas and continue being egotistical,
then go ahead. I will continue sharing my thoughts here for anybody else.

Do
find

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hand 3: "I raised on the flop because I knew I was ahead".
: Just tell me how did you know you're ahead. Than we could discuss
: this later.
: How? Based on my observation of his betting pattern in the last 4 hours? Do
: I have to tell you everything? AND, I'm done my discussion with you. Go find
: somebody else who has free time.
:
: than

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
24
1. You don't know me at all, but you know I have so many leaks. LOL... Good
judgment.
2. Normally, I don't get mad when people criticize my play, but all you gave
me were unreasonable questioning and ridiculous judgments based on your own
thinking. Plus, I don't see any "nutrition" from your comments so far. So
just save your time and find some smarter ones who can spot those nutrition
from your post and improve their games. Here I thank for your good intention. 算
我好眼不识泰山。GOODBYE.

people
egotistical,

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: I am posting my thoughts here for 2 reasons:
: 1. let you improve your play since you have so many leaks. I think you are
: posting your hands here to let us discuss right?
: 2. I am posting my thoughts here to share my ideas about your hands to
: everybody on this forum not only the original poster. And I hope some people
: could get some ideas and nutrition from my post.
: If you do not want to get any opposite ideas and continue being egotistical,
: then go ahead. I will continue sharing my thoughts here for anybody else.
:
: Do

p******e
发帖数: 327
25
i'm interested in your feedbacks, please share more:)

people
egotistical,

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: I am posting my thoughts here for 2 reasons:
: 1. let you improve your play since you have so many leaks. I think you are
: posting your hands here to let us discuss right?
: 2. I am posting my thoughts here to share my ideas about your hands to
: everybody on this forum not only the original poster. And I hope some people
: could get some ideas and nutrition from my post.
: If you do not want to get any opposite ideas and continue being egotistical,
: then go ahead. I will continue sharing my thoughts here for anybody else.
:
: Do

p******e
发帖数: 327
26
don't get mad here. People here are no harm at all. We all try to learn
something. Their posts bothered you could be very benificial for the other
readers, like me.
Keep playing the way you play. Your style suits you very well.

Good
gave
own
nutrition
intention. 算

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 1. You don't know me at all, but you know I have so many leaks. LOL... Good
: judgment.
: 2. Normally, I don't get mad when people criticize my play, but all you gave
: me were unreasonable questioning and ridiculous judgments based on your own
: thinking. Plus, I don't see any "nutrition" from your comments so far. So
: just save your time and find some smarter ones who can spot those nutrition
: from your post and improve their games. Here I thank for your good intention. 算
: 我好眼不识泰山。GOODBYE.
:
: people

c*****t
发帖数: 817
27
Hand1, 我觉得一个女生很气愤的喊“raise!reraise!You got nothing“很好玩。其实
那个人很nice的。要是我就根本不show you my cards。让你继续觉得自己被bluff out
难受下去。
Hand3,我一向觉得你有点donky很少赞同你的打法。但是这次我喜欢你的flop raise。
原因不是因为直觉上觉得你领先。而是借用limit poker的概念。KT这种牌属于raise
or fold的类型,很适合这样打。被人reraise回来就开心地fold了。要是AK大概可以
smooth call,因为AK有点way ahead or way behind的感觉。River同意newpost的观点,大
多数时候你会遇到flush。我多半会fold。
另外,假设river你没有hit two pair, 敌人又check了,你会开第三枪吗?
p****r
发帖数: 9164
28

out
lol. 又一个找砖的来了。。。

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Hand1, 我觉得一个女生很气愤的喊“raise!reraise!You got nothing“很好玩。其实
: 那个人很nice的。要是我就根本不show you my cards。让你继续觉得自己被bluff out
: 难受下去。
: Hand3,我一向觉得你有点donky很少赞同你的打法。但是这次我喜欢你的flop raise。
: 原因不是因为直觉上觉得你领先。而是借用limit poker的概念。KT这种牌属于raise
: or fold的类型,很适合这样打。被人reraise回来就开心地fold了。要是AK大概可以
: smooth call,因为AK有点way ahead or way behind的感觉。River同意newpost的观点,大
: 多数时候你会遇到flush。我多半会fold。
: 另外,假设river你没有hit two pair, 敌人又check了,你会开第三枪吗?

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
29
我不知道你哪里看到我写的我气愤的“喊”?????:“raise!reraise!You got
nothing!” 也不知道你什么时候自作主张加两个感叹号在RAISE 和RERAISE后面。看
贴还是要看清楚再发表意见。你写的搞得我好像是大街上的泼妇似的。说实话,玩牌这
么久一直觉得自己还是比较受欢迎的,和DEALER也好,其他PLAYER也好,都关系不错。
我可不是那种不顾形象乱喊乱叫的那种。我说那句话的时候语气可能有点尖锐,但声音
是很平静很正常的音量。你没那么NICE不会SHOW牌给我,并不代表所有人都跟你一样。大部分人还是没那么小心眼的。而且我后来也道歉了,同时也称赞了他的打法。人家都开开心心的没当
回事,你确在这里较起真来,真是自找没趣。
你很少赞同我的打法,觉得我DONKY,那只是你个人的想法而已,我不能也没有权利阻止。你很可能觉得全世界的POKER PLAYER都是DONKY,就你自己打得好也很有可能。FRYKING不是说了吗,75%的POKER PLAYER觉得其他PLAYER是DONKY,所以你这样认为一点都不为奇。
还有,一直以来我对版上女ID都很尊重很客气,从来也没去挑屑谁或找谁茬之类的,但
最近发现很多女ID对我都没什么好气色,说话都没什么好听的,本人甚是奇怪。也不知
道我哪里得罪了你们这些人。

out
点,大

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Hand1, 我觉得一个女生很气愤的喊“raise!reraise!You got nothing“很好玩。其实
: 那个人很nice的。要是我就根本不show you my cards。让你继续觉得自己被bluff out
: 难受下去。
: Hand3,我一向觉得你有点donky很少赞同你的打法。但是这次我喜欢你的flop raise。
: 原因不是因为直觉上觉得你领先。而是借用limit poker的概念。KT这种牌属于raise
: or fold的类型,很适合这样打。被人reraise回来就开心地fold了。要是AK大概可以
: smooth call,因为AK有点way ahead or way behind的感觉。River同意newpost的观点,大
: 多数时候你会遇到flush。我多半会fold。
: 另外,假设river你没有hit two pair, 敌人又check了,你会开第三枪吗?

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
30
你既然知道他的POST BOTHERS ME干吗还硬要在我这个贴里讨论他的IDEA,你觉得很
BENEFICIAL那另开一贴继续讨论就好了,要不搞得大家都不愉快有什么好处?

【在 p******e 的大作中提到】
: don't get mad here. People here are no harm at all. We all try to learn
: something. Their posts bothered you could be very benificial for the other
: readers, like me.
: Keep playing the way you play. Your style suits you very well.
:
: Good
: gave
: own
: nutrition
: intention. 算

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c*****t
发帖数: 817
31
跟风暴mm一样,我是假的女id。:-)
Anyway,别生气。Donky = LAG,没什么恶意。你只要能找到赢钱的风格就行。管他是
什么风格。
并不是非要说你是solid player才是好话。可能女牌手一般是松软型的,table image
比较好。所以你bluff的话,比较容易成功。我个人经验是我走donk路线死的很惨。尤
其是我每次剃完头象邪恶劳改犯的时候,那更是什么人都要call我到底。所以现在我被
迫走了Nit路线。
p******e
发帖数: 327
32
It's a forum, not a personal blog, right? :)
Anyway, I like your playing style and I also learned something from you too.
Thanks for sharing your hands and please share more in the future. You're
very welcomed on this board~

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你既然知道他的POST BOTHERS ME干吗还硬要在我这个贴里讨论他的IDEA,你觉得很
: BENEFICIAL那另开一贴继续讨论就好了,要不搞得大家都不愉快有什么好处?

M********g
发帖数: 717
33
Man, you are so wrong. I guess you have no idea who DQ is.
1. She posts these hands to BSO, not for discussion.
2. She has surprisingly few leaks in 1/2 nl holdem. Why? Her level 1.5
thinking easily crushes those rednecks' level 1 thinking. If your level 2+
thinking contaminates her pure thinking, her winning rate will drop to those
average nit people's or even worse. The blending of her confidence/ego and
people reading skill makes her .1% winner of 1/2 table. Please leave our
board flower alone.

people
egotistical,

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: I am posting my thoughts here for 2 reasons:
: 1. let you improve your play since you have so many leaks. I think you are
: posting your hands here to let us discuss right?
: 2. I am posting my thoughts here to share my ideas about your hands to
: everybody on this forum not only the original poster. And I hope some people
: could get some ideas and nutrition from my post.
: If you do not want to get any opposite ideas and continue being egotistical,
: then go ahead. I will continue sharing my thoughts here for anybody else.
:
: Do

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
34
看来你还真是阴魂不散啊!过不了多久又得发作一次。大家已经息事宁人了,你这个烂人
(别怪我说话难听)又来搅和一下,想吵架找别人吵去,别以为我上次没理你你就在可
以这里自以为是的乱吠!

those
and

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Man, you are so wrong. I guess you have no idea who DQ is.
: 1. She posts these hands to BSO, not for discussion.
: 2. She has surprisingly few leaks in 1/2 nl holdem. Why? Her level 1.5
: thinking easily crushes those rednecks' level 1 thinking. If your level 2+
: thinking contaminates her pure thinking, her winning rate will drop to those
: average nit people's or even worse. The blending of her confidence/ego and
: people reading skill makes her .1% winner of 1/2 table. Please leave our
: board flower alone.
:
: people

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
35
Oppoo,你怎么又把贴给删了,正想回呢。首先,谢谢你的支持。其实在这版上我还从来
没主动去挑屑谁,或找人吵架之类的,但这里确实有那么一些人不知道是本身就不是什
么好人,还是不吵吵架就难受,回帖的时候总是说些很难听的话,我一反击马上就指控
我不虚心什么之类的,实在是让人很气愤。在这版上我不知道发了多少贴来讨论问题或
寻求意见的,别人给我意见我都从来很感激,但不像有些人,动不动就是你很多LEAK,
你的想法很差劲之类的,搞得他们好像有多厉害似的。你们要了解我说我有多少LEAK也
就罢了,面都没见过,有的ID甚至是看都没看过的,就振振有词的说我一大堆LEAK还不
虚心之类的,看得我气不打一处来。回贴就回帖,但用词也得注意,不能想说什么就说
什么,你话那么难听,我凭什么要对你客气?Fryking, Hector, Reaver, Swthreefour
, 等等,这些人我们都见过,相处过,问问他们我是那种自以为是,难相处的人吗?说来说去
,还是素质问题。和这样的差劲之人我也不想和他们一般见识,少打交道就好。对
那群人,我从来都是躲得远远的,但他们偏偏不识趣,老来找架吵,真是BYL。
c****1
发帖数: 457
36
先说牌吧,你的打法很像我最初2-3年的打法。player曾经贴过Phil G关于probability
,logic,psychology的论述。你的打法在probability上不一定最优,但是你logic缜
密,reading ability又强,beat live 1/2是没问题的。我觉得你这打法比那种过分强
调range analysis, risk/reward的打法有更大的EV,因为大多数1/2的人post flop过
于passive,raise,3bet太少,再加上一些tell,你能把他们的牌narrow down很窄的
范围,这样你就能有效的控制风险,同时可用aggression获得很大的fold equity或者
negate你在位置上的disadvantage。不过当你升级到2/5或者5/10,你要小心点,桌上的
人不是那么好read,大家打得都比较凶,你现在的风格就有可能要进行调整。
再随便说说你们的争吵,我见过这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego。不过lziueng你也要
注意一下情绪控制。很多人的评论是从不同角度(我觉得更多的是probability)来讨
论牌,绝大多数都是对牌不对人。我知道有少数评论让你听了很不舒服,咱也没必要睚
眦必报,就let it go吧。希望大家在版上多交朋友,多讨论牌,少吵架。

Swthreefour
说来说去

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Oppoo,你怎么又把贴给删了,正想回呢。首先,谢谢你的支持。其实在这版上我还从来
: 没主动去挑屑谁,或找人吵架之类的,但这里确实有那么一些人不知道是本身就不是什
: 么好人,还是不吵吵架就难受,回帖的时候总是说些很难听的话,我一反击马上就指控
: 我不虚心什么之类的,实在是让人很气愤。在这版上我不知道发了多少贴来讨论问题或
: 寻求意见的,别人给我意见我都从来很感激,但不像有些人,动不动就是你很多LEAK,
: 你的想法很差劲之类的,搞得他们好像有多厉害似的。你们要了解我说我有多少LEAK也
: 就罢了,面都没见过,有的ID甚至是看都没看过的,就振振有词的说我一大堆LEAK还不
: 虚心之类的,看得我气不打一处来。回贴就回帖,但用词也得注意,不能想说什么就说
: 什么,你话那么难听,我凭什么要对你客气?Fryking, Hector, Reaver, Swthreefour
: , 等等,这些人我们都见过,相处过,问问他们我是那种自以为是,难相处的人吗?说来说去

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
37
非常感谢cmis91大侠的分析。很准确很是受用。1-2NL的人POST FLOP确实很PASSIVE,
有牌就跟,没牌就FOLD了。打2-5我确实像你说的那样,大家都很凶,我一下就没了优
势,打的时候明显感觉自己的AGGRESSION跟不上,太紧张,导致犯无数低级错误。
吵架这事,你说的也很有道理很诚恳。可能我自己有时太敏感,但我还是认为版上有些
人说话很不注意别人感受,想说什么就说什么,说好听点是没礼貌,难听点就是素质差
。不过我一定接受你的建议,下次少计较一点,多宽容一点。

probability

【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 先说牌吧,你的打法很像我最初2-3年的打法。player曾经贴过Phil G关于probability
: ,logic,psychology的论述。你的打法在probability上不一定最优,但是你logic缜
: 密,reading ability又强,beat live 1/2是没问题的。我觉得你这打法比那种过分强
: 调range analysis, risk/reward的打法有更大的EV,因为大多数1/2的人post flop过
: 于passive,raise,3bet太少,再加上一些tell,你能把他们的牌narrow down很窄的
: 范围,这样你就能有效的控制风险,同时可用aggression获得很大的fold equity或者
: negate你在位置上的disadvantage。不过当你升级到2/5或者5/10,你要小心点,桌上的
: 人不是那么好read,大家打得都比较凶,你现在的风格就有可能要进行调整。
: 再随便说说你们的争吵,我见过这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego。不过lziueng你也要
: 注意一下情绪控制。很多人的评论是从不同角度(我觉得更多的是probability)来讨

n*****t
发帖数: 190
38
原来她发帖是为了BSO啊!我刚来不久,还不了解她发帖的风格。多谢指点。

those
and

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Man, you are so wrong. I guess you have no idea who DQ is.
: 1. She posts these hands to BSO, not for discussion.
: 2. She has surprisingly few leaks in 1/2 nl holdem. Why? Her level 1.5
: thinking easily crushes those rednecks' level 1 thinking. If your level 2+
: thinking contaminates her pure thinking, her winning rate will drop to those
: average nit people's or even worse. The blending of her confidence/ego and
: people reading skill makes her .1% winner of 1/2 table. Please leave our
: board flower alone.
:
: people

n*****t
发帖数: 190
39
大家给你提建议,无论是对还是错,无论好还是不好,你都该至少感谢他们才对。什么
”下次少计较一点,多宽容一点“,说的感觉你是圣人,大家都在欺负你一样。

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢cmis91大侠的分析。很准确很是受用。1-2NL的人POST FLOP确实很PASSIVE,
: 有牌就跟,没牌就FOLD了。打2-5我确实像你说的那样,大家都很凶,我一下就没了优
: 势,打的时候明显感觉自己的AGGRESSION跟不上,太紧张,导致犯无数低级错误。
: 吵架这事,你说的也很有道理很诚恳。可能我自己有时太敏感,但我还是认为版上有些
: 人说话很不注意别人感受,想说什么就说什么,说好听点是没礼貌,难听点就是素质差
: 。不过我一定接受你的建议,下次少计较一点,多宽容一点。
:
: probability

O***o
发帖数: 2124
40
说得好!

probability

【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 先说牌吧,你的打法很像我最初2-3年的打法。player曾经贴过Phil G关于probability
: ,logic,psychology的论述。你的打法在probability上不一定最优,但是你logic缜
: 密,reading ability又强,beat live 1/2是没问题的。我觉得你这打法比那种过分强
: 调range analysis, risk/reward的打法有更大的EV,因为大多数1/2的人post flop过
: 于passive,raise,3bet太少,再加上一些tell,你能把他们的牌narrow down很窄的
: 范围,这样你就能有效的控制风险,同时可用aggression获得很大的fold equity或者
: negate你在位置上的disadvantage。不过当你升级到2/5或者5/10,你要小心点,桌上的
: 人不是那么好read,大家打得都比较凶,你现在的风格就有可能要进行调整。
: 再随便说说你们的争吵,我见过这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego。不过lziueng你也要
: 注意一下情绪控制。很多人的评论是从不同角度(我觉得更多的是probability)来讨

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O***o
发帖数: 2124
41

Swthreefour
说来说去
喝喝,还是会支持你!这个不会变,灌水功劳大大的。
删贴是因为后半段和你的主题不和拍,想单独发文的。
俺主要打limit,一步一步从2/4到现在15/30,故事太多啦。版上大牛很多,对你们
玩no limit的
,俺没发言权,但是还是很喜欢看你们发贴,讨论。
大伙别在这较劲啦,有劲牌桌上使:)

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Oppoo,你怎么又把贴给删了,正想回呢。首先,谢谢你的支持。其实在这版上我还从来
: 没主动去挑屑谁,或找人吵架之类的,但这里确实有那么一些人不知道是本身就不是什
: 么好人,还是不吵吵架就难受,回帖的时候总是说些很难听的话,我一反击马上就指控
: 我不虚心什么之类的,实在是让人很气愤。在这版上我不知道发了多少贴来讨论问题或
: 寻求意见的,别人给我意见我都从来很感激,但不像有些人,动不动就是你很多LEAK,
: 你的想法很差劲之类的,搞得他们好像有多厉害似的。你们要了解我说我有多少LEAK也
: 就罢了,面都没见过,有的ID甚至是看都没看过的,就振振有词的说我一大堆LEAK还不
: 虚心之类的,看得我气不打一处来。回贴就回帖,但用词也得注意,不能想说什么就说
: 什么,你话那么难听,我凭什么要对你客气?Fryking, Hector, Reaver, Swthreefour
: , 等等,这些人我们都见过,相处过,问问他们我是那种自以为是,难相处的人吗?说来说去

M********g
发帖数: 717
42
Haha, now it seems either you cannot read or refuse to.
1. I did not talk to you. I just gave a friendly suggestion to newpost to
leave you alone.
2. I call you board flower, and you call me what ? Are those blatant PA?
3. You ego is so big that my every post remotely relates to you is regarded
as eager to fight with you by you. Come on, who are you? Your personality is
not even pleasant enough worth arguing with. And your talking points are
only PA after PA.

烂人

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 看来你还真是阴魂不散啊!过不了多久又得发作一次。大家已经息事宁人了,你这个烂人
: (别怪我说话难听)又来搅和一下,想吵架找别人吵去,别以为我上次没理你你就在可
: 以这里自以为是的乱吠!
:
: those
: and

c*****t
发帖数: 817
43
Quotes from this thread:
Lziueng: ... I just posted my hands here to share and discuss.
Villain: Hand 3: Could you tell me the reason why you reraised on the flop?
It would only push the hands you beat to fold and get the call with better
hands.
Lziueng: How did the result show me wrong when villian showed his Q9? I don'
t understand your logic, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.
Villain: Just tell me how did you know you're ahead. Than we could discuss
this later.
Lziueng: How? Based on my observation of his betting pattern in the last 4
hours? Do I have to tell you everything? AND, I'm done my discussion with
you. Go find somebody else who has free time.
Villain: If you do not want to get any opposite ideas and continue being
egotistical, then go ahead. I will continue sharing my thoughts here for
anybody else.
Lziueng: Normally, I don't get mad when people criticize my play, but all
you gave me were unreasonable questioning and ridiculous judgments based on
your own thinking.
我真没看出来别人怎么素质低怎么不注意你感受了?

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢cmis91大侠的分析。很准确很是受用。1-2NL的人POST FLOP确实很PASSIVE,
: 有牌就跟,没牌就FOLD了。打2-5我确实像你说的那样,大家都很凶,我一下就没了优
: 势,打的时候明显感觉自己的AGGRESSION跟不上,太紧张,导致犯无数低级错误。
: 吵架这事,你说的也很有道理很诚恳。可能我自己有时太敏感,但我还是认为版上有些
: 人说话很不注意别人感受,想说什么就说什么,说好听点是没礼貌,难听点就是素质差
: 。不过我一定接受你的建议,下次少计较一点,多宽容一点。
:
: probability

c*****t
发帖数: 817
44
我来总结一下就是:normally, I dont get mad when people criticize my play, as
long as they are reasonable. But so far all the criticism I got are
ridiculously unreasonable so I am very angry.
l*****g
发帖数: 1128
45
刚来不久就知道我一大堆LEAKS,不简单啊!这也是为什么我根本就不想和你讨论的原
因。有没有LEAK和我讨论的HAND一点关系都没有。

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: 原来她发帖是为了BSO啊!我刚来不久,还不了解她发帖的风格。多谢指点。
:
: those
: and

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
46
乱批评乱judge的贴我为什么要感谢?谁说大家都在欺负我?只说有些人不会说话,难
听,你难道不是吗?你凭什么说我很多leaks?又凭什么说我很多result都证明我的
logic是错的?别以为你把的你的贴修改后我就不记得你说的什么了,然后就可以在这
里大摇大摆的乱叫。

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: 大家给你提建议,无论是对还是错,无论好还是不好,你都该至少感谢他们才对。什么
: ”下次少计较一点,多宽容一点“,说的感觉你是圣人,大家都在欺负你一样。

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
47
You call me BSO, and I need to thank you? You define my thinking level 1.5,
and all you guys are 2+ level thinking, and then I get mad you said I don't
know how to read your post. Maybe your post is too deep to read, I guess it'
s not for human to read. For animals or for aliens?
Who am I ? I am nobody. I just don't give a sh** to 你们这些烂人!
One more time, please stay away from my post! It would make a big difference
if you do so. Thanks.

regarded
is

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Haha, now it seems either you cannot read or refuse to.
: 1. I did not talk to you. I just gave a friendly suggestion to newpost to
: leave you alone.
: 2. I call you board flower, and you call me what ? Are those blatant PA?
: 3. You ego is so big that my every post remotely relates to you is regarded
: as eager to fight with you by you. Come on, who are you? Your personality is
: not even pleasant enough worth arguing with. And your talking points are
: only PA after PA.
:
: 烂人

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
48
"Lziueng: How did the result show me wrong when villian showed his Q9? I don
't understand your logic, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with
you."
For this one. He first accuse me of having a lot leaks, which already tilts
me. Second, he said the result showed me wrong even I made the call on the
river. After my response, he then edit his post and deleted that sentence.
Why would I want to waste time arguing with someone who keeps judging me (
how do you know I have a lot leaks?)and doesn't know what he is talking about?

?
don'
you.

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Quotes from this thread:
: Lziueng: ... I just posted my hands here to share and discuss.
: Villain: Hand 3: Could you tell me the reason why you reraised on the flop?
: It would only push the hands you beat to fold and get the call with better
: hands.
: Lziueng: How did the result show me wrong when villian showed his Q9? I don'
: t understand your logic, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.
: Villain: Just tell me how did you know you're ahead. Than we could discuss
: this later.
: Lziueng: How? Based on my observation of his betting pattern in the last 4

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
49
本来看你前面的道歉回复我还对你印象没太差,但现在看来你也是原型毕露了。有点同
伙马上就起劲。你说我donky thinking,同时乱加感叹号乱改我句子,还说要你就不
SHOW牌让我以为是被BLUFF气死我,这样的狠这样的恶毒,我反驳一下,你就道歉说别
生气,我想想也算了,估计是你一时不注意。现在倒好,又来了,发作了,终究恶人还
是恶人,好不了多久,看到有这么多团伙,马上来劲,真是让人看了想吐的心情都有。
还是同样的建议,离我贴子远点!你不给建议我不会死。大家眼不见为净,你时间多无
聊找你同伙开贴去,别在我贴里发狂。

as

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 我来总结一下就是:normally, I dont get mad when people criticize my play, as
: long as they are reasonable. But so far all the criticism I got are
: ridiculously unreasonable so I am very angry.

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
50
感觉我的贴很吸引一些苍蝇。老的新的,拍死一只,又来一只,前赴后继,有的老苍蝇
我以为已经被我拍死了,结果过不了多久又复活了,又现身了,真是没办法。有些苍蝇
被拍后老实一点了,但一看又有一排苍蝇飞来了,马上屁颠屁颠的加入,那个劲头啊,
唉,用到别的地方就好了。
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n*****t
发帖数: 190
51
大家评论你打的hands, 这个很正常,你把自己的hands放在这里也是让我们大家讨论的
吧,如果有人提出了不同的意见,即使意见不中听,请你不妨先别急着发火和反驳,细
细琢磨一下大家的讨论。如果有用的,就吸取一下;如果还是不认同,可以继续发帖讨
论嘛。毕竟每个人都不是完美的,我们大家都一样。的确,你的很多Play有值得商榷的
地方,从你Post的贴中,确实能看出你有不少leak. 我们在这里发帖讨论,都是为了相
互促进大家的技术,改善一些还不完美的环节。
“别以为你把的你的贴修改后我就不记得你说的什么了,然后就可以在这里大摇大摆的
乱叫。”
具我所知,我还不曾对我任何发的贴进行过任何后期修改。如果你不赞同,请你列出证
据,我定当全版道歉,否则你应为你的诽谤进行道歉。还有就是你最后一句话显得自己
很没素质。请问什么东西“大摇大摆的乱叫”?注意自己的用词,请版主明察。

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 乱批评乱judge的贴我为什么要感谢?谁说大家都在欺负我?只说有些人不会说话,难
: 听,你难道不是吗?你凭什么说我很多leaks?又凭什么说我很多result都证明我的
: logic是错的?别以为你把的你的贴修改后我就不记得你说的什么了,然后就可以在这
: 里大摇大摆的乱叫。

W********m
发帖数: 7793
52
赞“这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego”。。。。。

probability

【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: 先说牌吧,你的打法很像我最初2-3年的打法。player曾经贴过Phil G关于probability
: ,logic,psychology的论述。你的打法在probability上不一定最优,但是你logic缜
: 密,reading ability又强,beat live 1/2是没问题的。我觉得你这打法比那种过分强
: 调range analysis, risk/reward的打法有更大的EV,因为大多数1/2的人post flop过
: 于passive,raise,3bet太少,再加上一些tell,你能把他们的牌narrow down很窄的
: 范围,这样你就能有效的控制风险,同时可用aggression获得很大的fold equity或者
: negate你在位置上的disadvantage。不过当你升级到2/5或者5/10,你要小心点,桌上的
: 人不是那么好read,大家打得都比较凶,你现在的风格就有可能要进行调整。
: 再随便说说你们的争吵,我见过这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego。不过lziueng你也要
: 注意一下情绪控制。很多人的评论是从不同角度(我觉得更多的是probability)来讨

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
53
又来了,好不了多久的。

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 赞“这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego”。。。。。
:
: probability

h*******s
发帖数: 3932
54
还没时间仔细看前面的讨论,希望大家就牌论牌,不要get personal。

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 感觉我的贴很吸引一些苍蝇。老的新的,拍死一只,又来一只,前赴后继,有的老苍蝇
: 我以为已经被我拍死了,结果过不了多久又复活了,又现身了,真是没办法。有些苍蝇
: 被拍后老实一点了,但一看又有一排苍蝇飞来了,马上屁颠屁颠的加入,那个劲头啊,
: 唉,用到别的地方就好了。

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
55
你现在叫我注意用词了?你要早注意啥事都没有。你乱说话乱下结论我反驳就说我不虚
心之类的,还有什么可讨论的。你有没有改贴,咱先不追究,毕竟过去这么久了,也没
证据,但我反驳的也没错。我最后一句话你认为很伤你,那你们讲这么一大堆攻击的话
我就没不舒服?都是你们先惹起来的,你要我道歉也可以。毕竟我认为你也没像他们那
样太猖狂。但还是得说你说话回帖的方式我很不喜欢。不要动不动就说别人很多LEAK之
类的,你的ID我以前还从没见过,凭什么下这些结论?
好了,不说了,最后,对不起,我不应该说你乱叫,咱有话下次好好说。行吧?

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: 大家评论你打的hands, 这个很正常,你把自己的hands放在这里也是让我们大家讨论的
: 吧,如果有人提出了不同的意见,即使意见不中听,请你不妨先别急着发火和反驳,细
: 细琢磨一下大家的讨论。如果有用的,就吸取一下;如果还是不认同,可以继续发帖讨
: 论嘛。毕竟每个人都不是完美的,我们大家都一样。的确,你的很多Play有值得商榷的
: 地方,从你Post的贴中,确实能看出你有不少leak. 我们在这里发帖讨论,都是为了相
: 互促进大家的技术,改善一些还不完美的环节。
: “别以为你把的你的贴修改后我就不记得你说的什么了,然后就可以在这里大摇大摆的
: 乱叫。”
: 具我所知,我还不曾对我任何发的贴进行过任何后期修改。如果你不赞同,请你列出证
: 据,我定当全版道歉,否则你应为你的诽谤进行道歉。还有就是你最后一句话显得自己

W********m
发帖数: 7793
56
难道你不同意我的quote?

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 又来了,好不了多久的。
c*****t
发帖数: 817
57
You impressed me by interpreting my previous reply as an apology. What a big
ego! :-)
Instead, I just wanted peace at that time. But you are getting further and
further by accusing other people of being mean and rude, just because they
said you got many leaks? I just cannot help jumping back -- it is just fun
to tease somebody with a big ego and arrogance.

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本来看你前面的道歉回复我还对你印象没太差,但现在看来你也是原型毕露了。有点同
: 伙马上就起劲。你说我donky thinking,同时乱加感叹号乱改我句子,还说要你就不
: SHOW牌让我以为是被BLUFF气死我,这样的狠这样的恶毒,我反驳一下,你就道歉说别
: 生气,我想想也算了,估计是你一时不注意。现在倒好,又来了,发作了,终究恶人还
: 是恶人,好不了多久,看到有这么多团伙,马上来劲,真是让人看了想吐的心情都有。
: 还是同样的建议,离我贴子远点!你不给建议我不会死。大家眼不见为净,你时间多无
: 聊找你同伙开贴去,别在我贴里发狂。
:
: as

W********m
发帖数: 7793
58
是不是应该改成“[在没有和别人争执和有不同意见的时候,] 这位女牌友,人很随和
,也不ego"? 呵呵。

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 难道你不同意我的quote?
c******q
发帖数: 456
59
版大哪里去了?快从下水道里出来吧。党和人民需要你。
n*****t
发帖数: 190
60
我才来这个论坛不久,就回了这么几个贴,给我弄的实在很没脾气。

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 是不是应该改成“[在没有和别人争执和有不同意见的时候,] 这位女牌友,人很随和
: ,也不ego"? 呵呵。

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l*****g
发帖数: 1128
61
不要这么来劲,对你一点好处都没有。

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 是不是应该改成“[在没有和别人争执和有不同意见的时候,] 这位女牌友,人很随和
: ,也不ego"? 呵呵。

W********m
发帖数: 7793
62
该回帖还是回帖,讨论还是讨论, 别人要贴刻薄恶毒的,听过就算。 其实没啥大不了
的。 你来不是讨论打牌的吗,各取所需就行了。 呵呵。

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: 我才来这个论坛不久,就回了这么几个贴,给我弄的实在很没脾气。
l*****g
发帖数: 1128
63
苍蝇就是苍蝇,一闻到膄味就忍不住了。

big

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: You impressed me by interpreting my previous reply as an apology. What a big
: ego! :-)
: Instead, I just wanted peace at that time. But you are getting further and
: further by accusing other people of being mean and rude, just because they
: said you got many leaks? I just cannot help jumping back -- it is just fun
: to tease somebody with a big ego and arrogance.

M********g
发帖数: 717
64
Come on, man, it is a Friday afternoon. Let's have some 1st amendment rights
fun as far as we can tolerate sb's PA.

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 版大哪里去了?快从下水道里出来吧。党和人民需要你。
M********g
发帖数: 717
65
1. Since when BSO became a bad word? Since when I asked for appreciation
from you?
2. Who said all we guys are level 2+? At least I am just 1.5 as you are.
Otherwise how can I became the first to discover the secrets of your amazing
winning rate?
3. Once again, PA after PA.
4. I only explained my words and asked for your explanation of your PA. But
you gave nothing and have the ego to ask people away from your PA. Well, I
am not offended by your PA. But I have the rights to analyze the situation.

,
t
it'
difference

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: You call me BSO, and I need to thank you? You define my thinking level 1.5,
: and all you guys are 2+ level thinking, and then I get mad you said I don't
: know how to read your post. Maybe your post is too deep to read, I guess it'
: s not for human to read. For animals or for aliens?
: Who am I ? I am nobody. I just don't give a sh** to 你们这些烂人!
: One more time, please stay away from my post! It would make a big difference
: if you do so. Thanks.
:
: regarded
: is

n*****t
发帖数: 190
66
好了,都消消气。版大说不定已经打牌去了。

rights

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Come on, man, it is a Friday afternoon. Let's have some 1st amendment rights
: fun as far as we can tolerate sb's PA.

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
67
你还别说,来版上混这么久,发现你还是所有苍蝇中最毒最令人讨厌的那种,对付你,
估计得先拍死,然后再踩死,再扔马桶冲走,然后再把马桶销毁,免得你再死而复生。

rights

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Come on, man, it is a Friday afternoon. Let's have some 1st amendment rights
: fun as far as we can tolerate sb's PA.

M********g
发帖数: 717
68
I am impressed. For the sake of branding others as 苍蝇, you sacrificed
yourself as being "膄味". This is what we call GUTS.

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 苍蝇就是苍蝇,一闻到膄味就忍不住了。
:
: big

W********m
发帖数: 7793
69
这帖很欢乐。 TGIF.. hehe..
l*****g
发帖数: 1128
70
苍蝇智商低理解能力差,俺能理解。解释一下吧,膄味是指一闻到有架吵的味道,而且
是一群对一人的情况,马上来劲。

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: I am impressed. For the sake of branding others as 苍蝇, you sacrificed
: yourself as being "膄味". This is what we call GUTS.

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l*****g
发帖数: 1128
71
通常幸灾热祸的人都不是什么好人。

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这帖很欢乐。 TGIF.. hehe..
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
72
这几手牌是她的风格,后面几个reply可能更textbook,或者适合online的大规模机械
操作,但在赌场里你就这么一张桌子,什么玩法更合适?和当时的对手很有关系。
lziueng注意考虑别人的特点和手里的牌,自己的牌是其次的。这几手都是limit game
,和NL相比,raise的含义和频率都不太一样,别人的解读也不一样。
if she's good at reading,of couse she can trust it. She is actually
cautious, always thinking about protecting her bankroll. So as long as she's
winning, and analyzing/adjusting along the way, that's ok.
There's no single best approach, especially in the B&M casinos. Everyone can
comment about the play, but keep it in a constructive way and be polite.
for example, if you think there're leaks, why not just bring it up in plain
language and others can discuss about it.
lziueng - please take it easy. you don't have to agree what others say about
you, second you can take some as compliments, like big ego since a lot of
famous players have big ego(although i don't think you have that big ego..).
thanks!

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 版大哪里去了?快从下水道里出来吧。党和人民需要你。
H****r
发帖数: 2801
73
其实感觉有个问题在这版还没见讨论的,就是选择减少自己的leak,还是主动去抓别人
的leak, 也或者可以说是 play unexploitable, or exploit exploitable play?

has
LAG
very

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Hand 1: Stack size 1070$. 2-3 spread limit game. I have JJ limping UTG,
: several other limpers including MP who is super loose and aggressive. MP has
: around 700$. BTN is a lady who just joined in. Seems tight. She raises to
: 15. BB calls. I want to isolate so I reraise to 47. However, suddenly MP LAG
: repops to 90 more. Everyone else folds. I don't think he limps with a very
: big hand in MP, so I want to reraise to show him that I am not squeezing,
: and also to find out if he indeed has a hand. However, because it is a
: spread limit game. The dealer tells me that it is capped now so I cannot
: reraise anymore. Now two to see the flop. Flop A 10 3 with two spades. I
: don't think he would reraise that much with AK, so I bet 125$, and he

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
74
There's no single best approach, especially in the B&M casinos. Everyone can
comment about the play, but keep it in a constructive way and be polite.for
example, if you think there're leaks, why not just bring it up in plain
language and others can discuss about it.
____ Thank you so much for your sincere comment. I really appreciate it.
Some people here just 给我扣一大堆帽子when I fight back, but they never
think about why I am mad.
lziueng - please take it easy. you don't have to agree what others say about
you, second you can take some as compliments, like big ego since a lot of
famous players have big ego(although i don't think you have that big ego..).
______ Thanks again for your nice words and comfort. Now I really want to
know you in person. ^_^ Hope we can meet at next 版聚。

game
's
can
plain

【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这几手牌是她的风格,后面几个reply可能更textbook,或者适合online的大规模机械
: 操作,但在赌场里你就这么一张桌子,什么玩法更合适?和当时的对手很有关系。
: lziueng注意考虑别人的特点和手里的牌,自己的牌是其次的。这几手都是limit game
: ,和NL相比,raise的含义和频率都不太一样,别人的解读也不一样。
: if she's good at reading,of couse she can trust it. She is actually
: cautious, always thinking about protecting her bankroll. So as long as she's
: winning, and analyzing/adjusting along the way, that's ok.
: There's no single best approach, especially in the B&M casinos. Everyone can
: comment about the play, but keep it in a constructive way and be polite.
: for example, if you think there're leaks, why not just bring it up in plain

W********m
发帖数: 7793
75
果然“[在没有和别人争执和有不同意见的时候,] 这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego"?
这个我说对了吧? 还不谢谢我?

can
for
about
).

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: There's no single best approach, especially in the B&M casinos. Everyone can
: comment about the play, but keep it in a constructive way and be polite.for
: example, if you think there're leaks, why not just bring it up in plain
: language and others can discuss about it.
: ____ Thank you so much for your sincere comment. I really appreciate it.
: Some people here just 给我扣一大堆帽子when I fight back, but they never
: think about why I am mad.
: lziueng - please take it easy. you don't have to agree what others say about
: you, second you can take some as compliments, like big ego since a lot of
: famous players have big ego(although i don't think you have that big ego..).

n*****t
发帖数: 190
76
这话分析的比牌路还缜密。

"?

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 果然“[在没有和别人争执和有不同意见的时候,] 这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego"?
: 这个我说对了吧? 还不谢谢我?
:
: can
: for
: about
: ).

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
77
你最好给我SHUT UP。 LV聚会大家对你的讨论也不少,你是什么样的人大家心里都清楚
,别太自以为是就好,要见好就收。

"?

【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 果然“[在没有和别人争执和有不同意见的时候,] 这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego"?
: 这个我说对了吧? 还不谢谢我?
:
: can
: for
: about
: ).

c******q
发帖数: 456
78
这段最欢乐,形象生动。就是销毁马桶有点画蛇添足。要销毁的是下水道,马桶是无辜
的啊

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你还别说,来版上混这么久,发现你还是所有苍蝇中最毒最令人讨厌的那种,对付你,
: 估计得先拍死,然后再踩死,再扔马桶冲走,然后再把马桶销毁,免得你再死而复生。
:
: rights

M********g
发帖数: 717
79
MM, I found your quote "这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego" is so hitting the
point.

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你还别说,来版上混这么久,发现你还是所有苍蝇中最毒最令人讨厌的那种,对付你,
: 估计得先拍死,然后再踩死,再扔马桶冲走,然后再把马桶销毁,免得你再死而复生。
:
: rights

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
80
怎么销毁下水道?要能销毁我也消!

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 这段最欢乐,形象生动。就是销毁马桶有点画蛇添足。要销毁的是下水道,马桶是无辜
: 的啊

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n*****t
发帖数: 190
81
这话过了。我这几天考古了很多贴,风暴的话虽然直,可能不好听,但他对牌路的分析
是很棒的,水平在这个版上也是顶尖的。而且他还是很热心的,很愿意分享他自己的观
点给大家。我相信大家还是可以从他的回帖里受益的。

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你最好给我SHUT UP。 LV聚会大家对你的讨论也不少,你是什么样的人大家心里都清楚
: ,别太自以为是就好,要见好就收。
:
: "?

W********m
发帖数: 7793
82
太欢乐了。。lol..

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 这段最欢乐,形象生动。就是销毁马桶有点画蛇添足。要销毁的是下水道,马桶是无辜
: 的啊

h*******s
发帖数: 3932
83
你们这样回下去,fryking要关你们一天小黑屋了。

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: MM, I found your quote "这位女牌友,人很随和,也不ego" is so hitting the
: point.

M********g
发帖数: 717
84
Told you, nobody is arguing with you. Truth be told, who dares? At least I
am just wondering why "膄味" kept calling others 苍蝇 without acknowledging
her "膄味".
Ego, you are my favorite sin.
From what I see, you do not have to 追梦. You live in the dream created by
your ego.

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 苍蝇智商低理解能力差,俺能理解。解释一下吧,膄味是指一闻到有架吵的味道,而且
: 是一群对一人的情况,马上来劲。

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
85
话难听自以为是的人还去说别人怎么怎么样,这种人能好到哪里去?

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这话过了。我这几天考古了很多贴,风暴的话虽然直,可能不好听,但他对牌路的分析
: 是很棒的,水平在这个版上也是顶尖的。而且他还是很热心的,很愿意分享他自己的观
: 点给大家。我相信大家还是可以从他的回帖里受益的。

n*****t
发帖数: 190
86
我没有做任何的攻击,我一直是被攻击,被人说”大摇大摆的乱叫“,要关也不会管我
啊!

【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你们这样回下去,fryking要关你们一天小黑屋了。
M********g
发帖数: 717
87
This is exactly her style. Destroy what she wants to. Not what she needs to.

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 这段最欢乐,形象生动。就是销毁马桶有点画蛇添足。要销毁的是下水道,马桶是无辜
: 的啊

n*****t
发帖数: 190
88
算了,咱们还是多讨论他的打法和思路吧。

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 话难听自以为是的人还去说别人怎么怎么样,这种人能好到哪里去?
l*****g
发帖数: 1128
89
你这苍蝇估计销毁下水道都没用,还会回来,得弄死后装保险箱送到外星去才可能有用。

acknowledging

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Told you, nobody is arguing with you. Truth be told, who dares? At least I
: am just wondering why "膄味" kept calling others 苍蝇 without acknowledging
: her "膄味".
: Ego, you are my favorite sin.
: From what I see, you do not have to 追梦. You live in the dream created by
: your ego.

M********g
发帖数: 717
90
Wao, finally you admit what kind of person you are. I am impressed again.

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 话难听自以为是的人还去说别人怎么怎么样,这种人能好到哪里去?
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W********m
发帖数: 7793
91
呵呵。。 把我又扯进来了。 你说啥,我都不会tilt 的。我是经过大风大浪的。 lol..
说实话,我刚才看你的帖都笑出声音来了。 真的很欢乐。 我感谢你。

【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 话难听自以为是的人还去说别人怎么怎么样,这种人能好到哪里去?
h*******s
发帖数: 3932
92
风暴有段野史你们知道么?以前有个智游城的网站,上面有个只玩实地赌场的,是个稳
定赢家,但理论基础薄弱,数学特别差,很多观点都是自己琢磨的,根本不对。那时候
风暴刚开始玩online cash,和他有很多碰撞,但不久后风暴就过了那个阶段,不屑再
讨论了。
不过有意思的是,那人应该是个盈利很不错的玩家。也许他本来可以更进一步,但也许
那反而糟糕——如果他进步到下一level,碰到的对手会更强,如果bankroll不济,说
不定很快变成输家,还把信心打掉。这东西有时很哲学。
总之你们可以互相鄙视,互相吹捧,但不要吵到其他方面。版主板斧们其实希望干预越
少越好。

【在 n*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这话过了。我这几天考古了很多贴,风暴的话虽然直,可能不好听,但他对牌路的分析
: 是很棒的,水平在这个版上也是顶尖的。而且他还是很热心的,很愿意分享他自己的观
: 点给大家。我相信大家还是可以从他的回帖里受益的。

l*****g
发帖数: 1128
93
苍蝇智商低可以,但我也不能老给你解释我每句话的意思不是?自己慢慢学习去吧。要
不把你送外星后估计就没机会了。

【在 M********g 的大作中提到】
: Wao, finally you admit what kind of person you are. I am impressed again.
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