v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 1 recently notice this breathe issue too. i guess, when one notice breathe
issue, that's because the golfer start to thinking too much. in my case, i
took too much TIME from finish of setup to pull the trigger. tried the
following change;
two pratice swings to remember timing and balance,
setup
waggle a couple
pull the tigger quickly after the waggle
learn rocco mediate's quick play, i liked his quick pace and simple routine
of full swing.
zach johnson, quail hollow par3 collapse, he setup and |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 2 抛开那9个450Y以上的洞，来看看哪些洞可以抓鸟
当然 最有可能的就是 Par5, 这组必须抓
7 Roon The Ben 538 5
17 Lang Whang 559 5
first day Top10的 20 players (only except vj) 几乎个个靠这两洞, bread &
butter
even top50, most rely on these two.
下一组 relatively short Par3, 抓住这组，成绩就会很好
4 Woe-Be-Tide 166 3
11 Maidens 175 3
剩下就全是PAR的洞了
1 Ailsa Craig 354 4
2 Mak Siccar 428 4
13 Tickly Tap 410 4
15 Ca' Canny 206 3
6 Tappie Toorie 231 3 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 3 finish back nine yesterday afternoon,
drive horrible balloon up slice, 30 yard more offline all the time... hit
3woods 5woods in the woods most of time. no drive over 210 anymore... play double or triple bogey golf all the way...no lack of 4 over...
good shots are few, so remember all of them: finally hit green from 210yards
(with 2 mullgians), a 1ft to pin san shot, 10+ ft putt, 181 par3
overshoot green with 5i, 178 yard approach over water (1 mulligan) with
5wood, 120 yard approach 9ft to p |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 4 it is a very good course for beginner.
it is a relative short course, 3 par4 and 6 par3
but you get to use almost all your weapons, which is good for practice.
last time i played there, the marshal did me a favor, told me that i can
play two 9 hole with one 9 hole price. so i end up playing the same course
twice
break 70 //kaka (par 60)
the course almost got everyting, water, hazard, bunker, tree, wind...
slightly elevated green. and short par4 always lure you with eagle attempt.
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 5 actually, white tee is not that easy too.
there is only two holes par 3 (#6, #8) could be called easy hole, but with
wind blow, they could become very hard as well.
given there are water/hazardous everywhere from all other holes, it is not
that easy to make a birdie from #2,#4,#5,#7,#9, you need at least two to get
on the green.
and #3 is 157 yards par3 over water and with bunker at other side of water,
the only way to make a birdie is to land on green which is not easy from 157
yards out.
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 "carries 190 yards" and "no power game" contradict
anytime you carry 190 yard with club other than driver, that's very decent
power.
you should have overshoot a lot of greens. even 200 yard long
par3.
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power |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 7 hazeltine is crazy difficult course
play golf at this course is like play world series of poker, lucky guy get
win...
about half par4 over 450
half par5 over 600
one par3 248, only 2 par 3 shorter than 200
these yardage should be very accurage, not like local muni, you can play 10-
20 yards shorter than yardage sign...
water hazards, tree, bending fairway, bunkers, uneven terrain... you name it
http://www.hngc.com/TheCourse.aspx |
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d******s
发帖数: 674 | 8 we played several par3s near or over 200 yards last satudary at plam course.
Turned out not too bad, reachable with hybrid or woods, easy for pros with
good long irons shots.
10-
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 10 post a more normal number here:
lake chabot 288yard when i only average 210 yard for the round. about 20m elevation change..
202 yard elevated up par3 green boundary oak, 3wood (tee back 3 yard at 205 yard) , pass green center 25 yards in the deep rough back of green.
when use formula
driving distance = yardage sign - sign to hole
the error could be 20-30 yards. but still 300-400yard given by this formula is crazy long for amateurs.
last time play boundary oak #9 417yard uphill par 4, after dr |
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p*********n
发帖数: 1618 | 11 漂亮！你这个洞是PAR3么？够长的。
SHOWER |
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 13 我感觉也是。就是基本功。稳定。
当然chipping工夫好，也帮忙。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 14 it does.
john daly tried at Augusta. he moved his tee back, but only to certain point.
joking aside, i dont think move the tee back is a solution. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 15 2-club length.. that's all you can do.
otherwise, two-stroke penalty.
point. |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 17 三杆洞往往比五杆洞难打，一锤子的买卖，没上果岭，也没法补救。可能真得靠ET那样
扎实的基本功，才能杆杆上果岭。我是130到160码的三杆洞还凑合，GIR可超过50%，更
近的或更远的三杆洞，我常常有听天由命的感觉，不是开不到，而是开不好。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 18 sounds like you are with me.
same feeling |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 19 I am not very consistant with my club face release at the impact. If it
happens to me to start slicing the ball, I will pre-set my club face close
at stance, like Fred Couples. It works with me for now.
shot
straight |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 20 "but if you hit too hard on woods, it would generate tons of spin,
which would change your ball flights alot, and you dont need the excessive
force for 3woods or 5woods."
Exactly! |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 21 靠。我啥时候杆杆上果岭？
我那么Nb我还在这玩啥劲。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 22 我真杆杆上的话，我推球又是我强项，只要我读对了，进的把握就太大了。 |
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 23 不论多远，always use a tee.
看好风向风速。
剩下的就是看基本功了。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 24 now you have no problem with 450- 500 par4 frequently seen at pro-play
setups...
funny that over shoot green is deemed as "good shot" by another golfer, i
also count over shoot green as "good shot" . if that's the way to miss green
, will take it anytime... |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 25 you went there? how did you play the back nine?
i still have scorecard at my desk, only one par4 only #10 is < 400yard. par3 is 20x and 220yard or so. but i guess disttance is not an issue for you
recall that most fairway turning, have to put ball in correct spots to have easier next shot.
not sure i sucked last time or it's harder than front nine. horrilble play last time at backnine. will go there for an revenge sometime later. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 26 i was writing post, didnt see that one.
backnine is ok la.
#11 fairway is turning dramatically, like 90 degree. i realized it after i
tee off, and walk along the fairway. prior knowledge of course would help
for #11, #14, #18.
the rest are just typical muni course par4.
par3 is 20x and 220yard or so. but i guess disttance is not an issue for
you
have easier next shot.
play last time at backnine. will go there for an revenge sometime later. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 27 last time played callippe preseve and entered my score at oobgolf.com
found this guy had best score at Callippe
he also played at harding park
http://www.oobgolf.com/golfers/score.php?id=659886
he scored 75. seems like he is rigid score keeper...
no 450+ yard long par4, no 220+ long par3
slope is only 125, quite some short par4 which tiger could reach in one... i
figure tiger woiuld birdie almost every hole, do you agree?
guess tiger could score 55 or something on course like this, 330 par4 to |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 28 phil "lay up" a par3 to show off his short game skill would make people re-
think of risk and reward. //kaka
l
th
for
Tiger. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 29 tiger's 8 feet 10inch is quite amazing, considering that includes sand shot,
bad lies etc.
suppse drive average 260, and get 230 3wood tee up, 220 from fairway
birdie from 70 - 100 occurs :
260 + 100 = 360 yard mid length par 4,
or 230 + 100 = 330 short par4 tee off with woods or long iron
or 260 + 220 + 100 = 580 yard long par5
or 260 + 150(mid iron) + 100 = 510 yard short par 5
cover almost all amateur level golf courses.
except long par4 390+ yard or par3
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发帖数: 10701 | 30 和par 3/par 4/par 5很有关系。
当然也要看那个级别的pro
我不是pro，我对我自己的评估是， par 5 我有30%-40%的机会，par 4我有25%-30%
par 3就低于20% （当然，也要看啥样的par3, 这年头的par 3都不短呀。）
整体来说我有25%的机会。也就是说随便一个洞，让我打10次，我至少会有2-3个birdie。 |
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y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 31 你说"也就是说随便一个洞，让我打10次，我至少会有2-3个birdie。" 这是否等同于说
,随便十个洞,让你打一次,你至少会有2-3个birdie?
par 3就低于20% （当然，也要看啥样的par3, 这年头的par 3都不短呀。）整体来说我
有25%的机会。也就是说随便一个洞，让我打10次，我至少会有2-3个birdie。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 32 played back 9 at boundary oaks this morning.
started with 2 par4, up and down save par, and follow with 3 GIR, but all 3
end up with 3 putts each. 6th hole par4, 3 on 3 putt, 7th par4 4 on 1 putt,
8th par3 another up and down save par, 9th par5 5 on 1 putt.
17 putts, 43 for 9 hole
other than 6th hole mistake, the rest i was feeling very good. but score is
still just ok.
and seems the problems are all over the place.
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 33 yeah, for that 3 GIR, i was just feeling lucky to get on the green.
12th 190 par3
13th 415 dogleg left par4, my approach shot was 190
14th 563 par5, my third shot was the shot of day, behind the tree, from
rough, 155 to green.
none of them is easy, but 3 bogey seem unacceptable.
is
60feet
we |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 34 possibly easy course they play in china.
but these guys are 非常有名的文艺人, 悟性应该很高
８０－９０ 还是有可能
GOLF毕竟 挺需要悟性的.
the other day watch Palmer,Tiger, Davis, Tom Lehman play skin at GOlf
channel.
Palmer's swing is the ugliest (follow thru), but he could stay with the
other guys...
220yard par3, tiger 4i, davis and tom 3i, palmer 3woods, palmer was the
second closest to pin... |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 35 虽然在问AFF, 也跟着掺和一下
5iron for 200 yard, that's by pro long hitter and very atheletic amateurs.
don't know how pro could carry 5iron 200 yard. when they hit 5iron to 200,
they hit 3iron to 230 -240 range...
last week play course(cold morning and wet condition), tried 3iron and hyrid
5 alternatively for distance 180-200:
186 yard par 3, 3iron on front portion of green;
200 yard par3, 3iron about 20yard short of green;
another 180 yard uphill approach, hybrid 5 on front fringe;
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 36 to me, that should be good enough.
look back, i think how i groove my swing at the very begining is that one
day i found out there was a short par3 hole, with flags at 60,80,100 yards.
i got to play it 20 balls for each round, and after 3 rounds, i would call
it a day. somehow, after that, i think i know how to swing.
after that, fine tune with friends suggestions, which is much easier once
you understand what the swing like. |
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发帖数: 10701 | 37 上次和这次。每个$31.
今天这轮，4个par3, 3个ctp都是我们这组拿的。最有一个，我的球直奔球洞而去，看着
真有希望。不过还是有人更近。这个短par 3, 100码，基本上赢的时候都是在5 feet之
内。
我赢的是个215码的par 3.
今天这得分条件太差了，球洞位置设置都是极为诡异的各个果岭的角落。要么bunker后
，要么水坑后；再加上果岭硬得更石头似的。结果你看那成绩，一堆一堆的80来的。 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 38 我上上周赢的一个close-to-pin也算是狗屎吧。从今年起，我们的skins game的球洞se
tup可以和pga tour的setup相比了。各个pin，如果是在front, 基本上距离前面的roug
h就在规则允许的尺度内，backpin也一样，center pin，就把球洞挖在slope处。 而且
是能用水坑沙坑的掩护就用这些，球洞距离沙坑还很近，没多少空间可以work with, 在
加上风啥的，看大家的得分，都是惨不忍睹。
这个par3 , 按照那天设置是217码，右前放是沙坑，球洞就在沙坑后；左前也是沙坑。
留给能上果岭的空间大概就15个feet 左右。 把球送上果岭的办法，要么就是从右前的
沙坑飞过，那可是carry 215码，还要land softly, 还有就是high cut, 对了，风还是
顶风。
我用的fairway woods, 5号，其实是个miss hit, 球飞得超低， 大概carry了不到190码
，剩下的就是一路小滚，直上果岭，然后旗杆附近10feet之处停下，于是我就赢了ctp.
看前面最靠近球洞的，大概在15feet之外。大家都说，我要是推 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 39 纪念一下:D
还没开始学driver,下场一律iron打,打的还成
以前是par3的par打出来过若干,但一遇到长场就必然+1起
今天头一次7iron*2+S,切完落点大概洞前2ft,一推搞定
真不容易啊:D |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 40 short par 4 280 - 300 yard is good to measure driver distance
long par3 180 - 210 is good to measure long iron distance
if not play golf from a very young age, and technique is kind of so so
level, drive 290
LZ应该是校队运动员的身体素质,
我的力量就NOVICE LEVEL， 所以也就 DROVE ２１０ － ２４０ MOST OF TIME
depending on how solid and straight i hit the driver. i guess intermediate
level can drive 250 - 260 regularly
DRIVE ２７０－２９０ ON REGULAR BASIS， 力量差不多 ADVANCED／ELITE LEVEL。。。
NOVICE ＜ INTERMEDIATE ＜ ADVANCED ＜ ELITE
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 42 some weirdness about him.
but he remain a intriguing person that he can get away with so many debts,
and poor strange hairstyle...
he is said to be a single digit golfer, looks his iron shot is very good.
he hit one shot with several feet at a short par3 in the program, even
inside suzann peterson. not sure it is faked or not...
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发帖数: 10701 | 43 我在最后一组。
一般打par 3找close-to-pin的机会我最exciting。 kizer球场，我不知道是不是只有e
agle才有机会拿skins。
前3个par3， 我球击得太完美了。（后9洞开始的，
一个168码，顶风， 那可是看着我的球就往球洞飞， 结果短了近10码。 我用8-iron，
因为我不知为什么认为是顺分。 我问我同车的，他用6-iron， 还刚刚短了5 -inch，
否则就是他的了。我的球在空中飞的时候，同组的都可是那种秉着呼吸的感觉。
我同车的那哥们挺牛，曾是no.1 player， skins game. 连wes short. 都搞不定他。
不过这哥们球品不行，赌钱输了不给。而且打球很不规范。他address他的putter/iron
啥的，球都是晃的。
第2个，137码，又是顶风。我看这哥们击了个solid的8 iron，结果还是15 feet短了，
所以我换了8 iron， 这球飞的curve又牛逼坏了，也是眼巧着冲球洞飞去。 结果 - 长
了。
第3洞， 197码，也是顶风，但球洞在树后，所以比前2洞感觉好点。我又看着我这同车
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i****e
发帖数: 913 | 44 你们组不是有GPS吗? 我们才郁闷!!!
球场窄, 左右OB或Hazard, 而且一直在转弯, 在Tee Box上, 基本上是看不到果岭的,
par5打到第三杆才能看见旗杆, 更有甚者是看不到你要落球的fairway, 能看到也有颗
大树或沙坑在球道中间挡道. 五个par3都有elevation drop和big gap.
很有点无的放矢的感觉.
21 over 70 |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 45 I've been trying to improve my putting and minimize my double or triple
bogeies. a par5 is always my favorite and I am doing OK with most par3s. A
long par4 is my weakest link and most time I have a bogies or double out of
there.
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 46 this is so called cross training: Cross golf with weight.
villegas is a prime example of cross training.... reported that he was very
thin and dind't hit very far at beginning. now if you look at him, the only
thing you can think of him is --- MUSCLEgas.
beside hammer curl, i saw Dustin Johnson doing cable pull like golf swing.
Watched a min on TV Dustin at BMW, 217 yard par3, he use 7iron, ball roll
into bunker back of green!!! no wonder he use 6iron to cover 230yard hole
18 of us open |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 47 I did that last last weekend. all my buddies want to play white tee, and
they are better players than me. so i play white tee as well.
yes the score was better.
also, I feel the course is much easier.
oddly, the one hole made big mistake is a 160 yards par3, it was 183 from
blue, which i can use my hybrid. 160 force me to use 6 iron, it went slice
into rough.
long story short, i ended up playing 7 shots (3 putts) without any penalty.
but overall, there was just little pressure in terms of the le... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 48 thank you, this is big for me since i never made birdie on par3 before. my
previous only birdie was 298 par4 drove to green side. Here are some
pictures. |
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 49 很牛呀。你这个是实力。
我的小鹰全是运气，150码par3 滚进去了。 |
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发帖数: 10701 | 50 86+86 = 172
the cut line is 156
16 over the line.
one important lesson: just need some real test/game/competition
experience.
球场不难。6300码par72。 因为是在houston,有些水塘什么的。
我的开球开的很好-一如既往的。36个洞里第一轮只有一个bad tee shot. 第2轮有2个。
这个球场的球道还是比较窄而且很复杂，有狗腿的地方都是大狗腿。我的draw shot发
挥的淋漓尽
致。
在500码的par 5，开完球就剩下200码。
我基本上都是driver, driver, driver. 开完球后大多的都是wedge/or pitch/9 for
aproach shot。。
问题主要很出在推球上。这个球场的果岭比较奇怪，琢磨不出来。不仅是我，同组的一
个60岁的老
头，叫做victor morris， 一个高中的高尔夫教练，
（之前是football/baseball，因该比较有名，只是我不认识）也和我抱怨。
他也在austin周边，我们说c... 阅读全帖 |
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