y**t
发帖数: 205 | 1 五月中开始打NL25，nit，fit or ford。希望大家给点建议。 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 2 一个晚上遇到好几个AK,flop K 不愿意fold给我flush或者straight的。。。
今天第一次打NL25，发现一帮人比NL10打得疯狂多了。。。。
还有人什么都没有bluff我top pair,top kicker，被我做了notes还继续的。。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 if you do not play NL50, does it mean you usually play NL100, and play some
NL25. or you usually play NL25, some NL100.
I get stacked super many times on NL25. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 4 I only have about 7k hands at NL25 right now. I have been mostly adjusting
betting size and such and getting adopted to the new level during those 7k
hands so they are not very representitive.
now my game at NL25 is stablizing. I will try to get another 13k hands in
and check the statics at hold'em manager and see what is happening with my
small pairs. :)
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 其实大家主要都是打micro stake cash的，tournaments尤其是MTT的时间一般人耗不起。
俺是从NL50退回来打NL25 rush的，NL50 regular本质上和NL25 regular是一个档次的
，你完全可以上。
俺退回来主要是想在便宜点的stake，试验提高aggression，看看效果。
每天在FTP打够了点数，俺还是会上doyles或者AP去打NL50的。以前俺有个奇怪的leak
，在其他站点打很不正常，不知道是不熟悉的软件，还是比如俺常用的notes功能不好
用，整得人比较烦躁，没有耐心。最近打多了，强了很多，发现其他地方人虽然没有
FTP，PS多，但是毛驴比例也不少。 |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 6 三十这样的应该算是很特殊了. 我们小鱼们一般从NL25或0.5/1 LHE开始. 未必是输不
起, 高了很可能付了学费没学到啥. 如果你经验很少,那么从NL5 或NL10开始也没什么
不可以的. FTP NL25以下 7%RAKE, 不太好(很不好). PS一率5%, 以前NANO都是免费的. |
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s****i
发帖数: 30 | 7 I just start to play rush25 this month, and find one major difference
between NL25 and NL10 is that many people in NL25 think that when they start
betting huge they have shit...
So when I have nuts, I will not slow play and bet huge...
just called. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8 NL50 好象是比 NL25 容易。我在 NL50能有 6bb/100, 在 NL25 才 3bb/100. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 9 br不足，打rush nl5/nl10各种输，但是tilt之后上NL25却总能绿字收工...是我被beat
得不行了
ftp还我一点，还是我的play更适合nl25？我觉得我现在还是漏洞百出的... |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 10 等到我能打NL25了我就搬...NL25以上的话PS回报高一些 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 6max or 9max???
wow, you guys go to NL100!!! I still fight on NL25 level.
By the way, if I play NL25 (3 tables) for 3 hours, I can only get 250 FTPs. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 12 刚装了holdem manager，读了windstormm转的几篇2+2的文章，看来数据分析不亚于PhD
paper啊。。
我玩得很少，都是NL25 rush，发现上次玩是今年3月的事情了。。只有4.8k手（盈利差
不多8个buyin, or 17bb/100，但allin EV只有2-3个buyin左右，应该算比较lucky）
现在sample量当然太小了。个人感觉要降低vpip到16左右，pfr到11-12左右，3bet到4
左右，flop cbet到60%左右。但4bet和call cbet呢在多少比较合适呢？
不过我对是否要降低vpip以及提高pfr/vpip还有疑虑，貌似nl25还是可以多limpin一些
的。
vpip: 20 (decrease to 16?)
pfr: 10 (increase to 12?)
aggr: 2.x (increase to ??)
3bet: ～2.9 (increase to 4?)
4bet: ～0.2 (increase to ??)
call 3bet: ～25% (how about this?)
... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 13 I just played NL50 for one session, and think it's more aggressive than NL25
. At NL25 people don't bluff that often, so if someone check-raise your cbet
, or bet big on river, usually he has a hand. But I doubt it's the case at
NL50.
So maybe shifting towards calling station works better at higher level. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 play another 10K hands, hehe.
NL25 and 50 are not much different at all. a (donk or not) player who can
afford to play 25NL can surely play 50NL (at least for a while). 100NL has
more serious money because a donk's $500 would not go far.
many times i was so amazed to see what they had, after i made a "tough"
decision.
NL25
cbet |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 I play a bunch of NL25 today, just find it costs a lot of time to win 100
bucks.
I do not know, maybe 20$ hourly rate on NL25 is quite good. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 昨天先一桌爆一条鱼， 然后他要打两桌， 我被爆到反而输。 两桌HU 手忙脚乱， 一
个鱼的3 barrel shove river, 我竟然把call misclick 了fold~ 悲剧啊。
为十么能打4桌NL100 rush,却打不了 2 桌NL25 HU?!?
还有， 大家觉得16.8bb/100 hand over 11k hand NL25 HU 怎样啊？ 可以升级了吗？ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 17 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论几手牌 话说回来，tourney达人改打fullring nl25真的是。。。哎。。。
NL25难道不是拿着monster尽情bet，小牌就let it go，weak tight稳定赚钱的最佳
level |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 18 yeah i just post it for entertainment value. seems like its evaluation of
player is way off. i read somewhere a player who couldn't beat nl25 is
ranked as shark and a winning player at much higher stake is ranked as fish.
.. |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 20 Hope to see you in the game soon. :) I'm learning to fold AA and KK. :)
Could never fold with them before. Don't be surprised to see me play
horribly in the game. Just learned to cbet yesterday and it really works. :
)learned to bet with a drawing hand to win right there and then or for pot
control a few days ago. All the basics. Guess I have to learn tons of new
stuff if I ever make it to the NL25.
t |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 21 you have unlimited "later" to get the money back. :) months and yrs. as
long as you made the right play, it is perfectly fine. Getting rivered is
very common.
I dropped 4 buy in earlier today. at least one was due to bad decisions.
finally got 3 buyins back after hrs. the same thing happened over and over
for the past few days while I'm trying to move up to NL25.
You guys are really talented and can go right to NL200-NL500. just keep up
the good work. :) It took me 1 month to fix my N |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 22 多打几次可能就好多了。我现在在NL25也是有些乱打。经常性的打错牌。 真没办法。
要不停的告诫自己。不能raise的牌就扔掉。不能老是乱call. 不过你的这手牌也不
算错。 打牌声势很重要的。就当是semi bluff run right into packet AA 好了。：
）
不过好玩的地方是真的常看到有人用打 tournment 的打法打cash game. 常常最后三
，四块钱了就乱 all in. A3 off suite. Q10 off suite. 什么都有。 明显是忘了
cash game 可以随时加码。不用把最后几块钱扔掉才。：） |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 23 小对现在是我的major leak 来的。有时候扔不掉牌。 还在努力的练习。
我打NL25。 凡事按最简单不头痛的打法走。
preflop
22--99 有人raise, 对方short stack. 跟到3bb. 对方full stack. 跟到4bb. 每
加一个跟进的人，可以放宽1bb.
22--99 没人raise. just call at all position except button. Raise 3bb on
button.
1010. 看心情。
JJ. major leak. very aggressive preflop. will try to buy the blinds.
flop
22-1010. hit set, aggressive in most cases will slow play on safe board.
usually try to get all in. don't hit set, try to check down. run as soon
as facing any aggressio |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 24 I'm really at the early stage of learning poker so there are many hands I
dont play at all. :) I dont play A with any kind of small kicker at this
point.
With the hands that I do play. I'm mostly working on the post flop play at
this time. the betting size, reading the board, reading the other players.
I want to get all the finer details done. and make sure I win more and lose
less with most of the hands that I do play.
I can get away with doing this at NL10/NL25 because nobody pays atte |
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n**********5
发帖数: 60 | 25 Basically all people playing NL25 are donkeys. Everyone that are half
decent already moved up. |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 26 played 1h PLO25 and 1h NL25, both up couple of buy-ins. game is
tightpreflop, but so bad postflop. ppl stack off lighter than ring games,
even more so in plo...
bad news: there is no more 80 vpip donks, they can just fold and play next
hand in 2 secs.
bad news: no HUD, no read
good news: ppl stick withthe hands they play more postflop. stack off light
with tptk
good news: they don't have HUD on you. if you play 100/100 (raise every
hand) they don't know. just play hyperagressive and they ha |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 27 rushgame NL25.
开三桌。ftp涨起来真快。但是感觉每桌没法仔细分析，同时有几把运气太差，
刷刷输了50.不过这个月ironman应该没问题。
rushgame KK的玩法？ 我KK LP raise 3bb，button reraise to 9bb。
我直接all in了，结果那厮是AQ o，flop出A了。
这种情况是call 一下更好吗？不过我是mini-buyin，call是不是太示弱了。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 28 note控啊。。我现在没多少时间玩，玩的也小，所以连note都懒得做。如果自己玩ABC
poker，倒是不用note.. 好像死等set在NL25 rush poker里还算稳定。。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 29 I played 5-6 sessions in total, several hundred hands I think. up about $70
in NL25, not much... |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 30 rushgame 输了好多，呵呵，大概200.
如果自己打得好一点能不输不赢，如果badbeat少一点能稍微赢一点，
现在不是很敢碰rushgame了。
rushgame里面的all in比普通cashgame多很多，有点像tournament一把定胜负的感觉。
我的感受是rushgame更像tournament，我开始打NL25的，buyin10，那么相当于
玩10的tournament，这可吃不消。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 I am just going to play a bit rush poker every day and try to reach the
first level. To reach 200 points a day, it takes very long session even for
rush poker at NL25 level. So far I have 150 pts for 2 days. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 32 ...你这个其实很好打,这种flop, 在flop bet pot, 如果对手call, 看turn, 像10 这
张牌,
你check/fold, 如果是blank,可以再bet2/3 pot, 如果对手再call, 基本准备fold吧,
除非对方river check或者很小的bet (NL25, small bet means small hand most of
time)
你的flop bet太小了,看不出任何信息
at |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 成长的道路真艰辛啊。。NL10, NL25 那时也像是不能爬上的山峰。。。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 lol, i'm moving down to NL25 rush, just found it's way too passive and easy
to play.
i open 3x from LP, 80% times free blinds, 10% needs c-bet, 10% gives up. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 best part of playing cash game is probably ironman+rakebacks. Rush makes
this more significant. I got the most rakeback ever last week. I didn't even
play that much rush, but I am on my way to silver ironman for the month.
50 ftp pts is very easy to reach. i am averaging >100 ftp a day but can't
make to gold level. Overall, i am still up a bit on rush. I still have
better performance in NL25 than NL10. But I play NL 10 sometimes when i am
not in the mood for bigger swings.
A few leaks i am tryi |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 36 nl25是20bb/100? 很牛啊
干嘛不move up啊 |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 37 嗯，确实我也不是什么牛人，我现在也只是打nl25而已
不过经历应该算是适合初学者，从nl2 50$打起，现在bankroll有2000，打了156k
hands 中间浪费了好多时间闷头傻打，有时候想介绍一下自己的经验，无奈人家看不起
你 呵呵 |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 38 我知道这还是有不少牛人的，不过好像cash game的不多？等我beat nl50再说吧。。
我现在有40多个buyin可以move up了，winrate也还可以，5.xxbb/100.但是在nl10到
nl25的时候有一个big downswing，我准备把bankroll升到50 buyin的时候在move up了
。。 |
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m*********4
发帖数: 94 | 39 pokerstars 注册，CC不行，会被拒，可以用bankaccount（instant echeck）需要你的
银行号，帐号，ssn。 很方便，取钱的时候可以直接打到你存钱的这个account里。
注册bonus有，从其他网站连过去，能选gc或者poker的书什么的，要求是规定时间内，
拿到规定数目的fpp，如果你是nl2打起，估计没戏拿到了。。还有First Depositor
Bonuses 在http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/promotions能看到，存钱的时候填入
相应的code就可以了。 这里也可以看到其他的一些bonus，比如存600给300/200/150/120
这类似的。clear这些bonus的条件也会说明，就是拿规定数量的fpp在三个月或者半年内。
比如，600返300，1$需要25fpp 300的话，你就需要7500fbb。nl25大概0.1fpp/hand 具体
需要多少可以算一下。。
fpp的好处，能换钱换物。能让你的stats升级
最低铜*，没有要求，一上来就是，只能换一些最基础的东西，ps的帽子T恤什么的，好
点儿都没 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 是，连NL25都有这种趋势，大家由开始时过于tight到现在逐步适应，调整打法。
不过其必然结果就是swings更大，留notes更重要，甲和乙完全可能是两个完全不同的
故事，以TPMK，或者mid pair去play stack，非常之起伏。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 41 老实说 NL25 NL 10 没多大区别,我都玩了. NL50听上去也很多donk. My feeling is
that there are all type of players in all 3 level. maybe the % is slightly
different. If you want to truly test yourself, you probably have to go to NL
200 where most of people are not donk. But not everyone want to lose those
kind of $$.
if you are a thinking player, you can improve as much in NL 10 as NL 50 if
not more. Because you can call down a lot of bets and see showdown and check
out your reads. If you don't think and only look at |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 只要自几read well. BB 没啥. 今天被BB了几个2 outer. 觉得自几没打错, 心也平
了. cash bb的影象还是挺大的, 特别是stack deep 的时候. 今天NL25上下swing 5个buy-in, variance 真大啊. 不过NL10是不会再回去打了..
draw |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 43 虽然只是NL25的小rush poker，但是已经连续绿了一片sessions，比较稳健，bad
beats不是没有，但是几乎没有什么大的影响，因为靠notes，aggression和选择战机，
很容易就弥补了损失。
补了一些习惯性漏洞，读牌面水平有明显提高。 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 44 kao, you are 差生, I am 留级生.
BTW, my new ID is pdlx. Had several fights with you in NL25 rush poker but
all lost to you. Noticed you are much more aggressive than before so
whenever I see you, I 绕道. LOL |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 45 你们打nl100的富人不许参加我们nl25穷人的讨论。
KK输给他AA。还好只是40刀。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 46 fryking 10bb/100, 他的NL25就相当于我这种2.6bb/100的NL100 |
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c***h
发帖数: 80 | 47 NL25 I have 1 buy-in , vallian has 2 two buy-in.
flop 我有open-ended straight draw and flush draw，敌人有set
敌人raise，我all-in，敌人call。最后两个draw都没等到。。。
这种coin flip是不是不应该all-in，控制variance...
以前碰到过很多次这种monster draw了，感觉都没有打好 |
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c***h
发帖数: 80 | 48 我当时在 EP， 5 people in the pot，整个pot不超过$2 （NL25）
flop 6s7h9h, my hand Jh8h
flop出来我check，我后面两个的敌人check，第三个敌人bet half pot，最后一个bet
$4，我想了一会儿shove了（当时我觉得他要么是set要么是made straight）。
最后他是99。 这个就是coin flip了
率。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 nothing significant over all, 3-5bb/100 hand for NL25. can't compare with
fryking's 10bb/100 hand. still a lot of things to improve upon. But i can
claim that i can win consistently at this level. |
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c***h
发帖数: 80 | 50 I had KK twice last nite and 4bet raised all-in
in both cases, vallian showed AA.....
NL25
stack we normaly have. If you think
suspect the shove range is a lot tighter preflop, probably only AA and AK.
with |
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