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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 好象sb 是maniac.. lol...不会是梨叔你吧..
不过从我的note 来看tambufly是不能bluff raise him river 的.. 他会call 很多river big raise.. 最好value bet him on the river |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 3 Won 5, lost 3. Only up two buyins...
He played maniac style. Sometimes, just have to pay him off when he hit some
unexpected hand. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 5 比Full Ring 难太多了。
特别是碰到 maniac 还 card dead 的时候。每次都弄得我很 tilt |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6
yeah. I am definately a nit playing rush. lol. my vpip drops to 11.5 in FR
rush.
when I play HUSNG, I am a super maniac though. Open over 90% button most of
time. :)
I hate hand like KJ in deep stack NL though, I prefer 3 betting with 67
other than KJ. KJ playes very well in HU though. |
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s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 7 wow, super long post! But a good read. Too beautiful to beat... wow! How
nice! Thanks for sharing.
1. The ridiculous hand: he is on tilt and it happens to every one. Thank God
he donates his money to you.
2. "I knew I was supposed to be happy, but I was not. I was mad at him for
putting me in that
kind of tough situation; I was mad at him for raising me many times with
nothing and I couldn't do anything about that; I was mad at him for choosing
me as his target.He was so arrogant each time when ... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 8 voluntarily $ put in pot, 自己主动打的牌
话说你们那桌子真是有够maniac... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 66 JJ 对你的range 差不多. AJ KJ 他不可能raise的, 这里除了bluff, 打得好一点的
至少要K10 A10 才会raise. nitty 一点的只有full house 才会raise, maniac 一点的10X都会raise. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 这里的关键不是你是十么牌, 而是你的对手这里会raise的range是十么. 我十楼讲的三
种人当然是各有不同打法.
如果是nit, 你是66都可以fold.
如果是loose maniac, 你是K10 都可以reraise all in. |
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 11 Hand 1 - 1-2 NL, 5 limpers including SB, I was in BB with 4d2d and checked.
Flop came 653 rainbow. SB checked, I checked, and MP Asian player made a
pot-size bet with $120 behind. His image was nit-TAG and one LP loose
passive player called. Given actions so far, it was clear that I had the
best hand. MP Asian player's range was crystal clear: top 2 being 70% and
set being 30%, and LP probably had a 4 or A6. Folded to me, and I popped to 40
with 120 behind. Seeing me in the BB, my primary ... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 12 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 问一手牌 一个月前在local casino玩的。 1/2，我400多chips在bb。
我左边一家刚刚输了一个大pot，还剩300多，straddle 5， 每个人都知道他要raise，
都fold了，sb call，有300多。我bb call with TcJc。左边那家和sb都还挺稳，不是
maniac。
果然左边一家raise到20. sb和我都call。
flop Jh2c5c，sb check，我check，左手 bet 50. looks a cbet。
sb reraise到100，我很纠结，sb play it like a set or A high flush draw。
遇上set我大概30%，遇到A high flush 我outs就很少了，尤其后面还有一家。
我犹豫了很久fold了。 左边instant all in， sb call。左边show KJ，右边show AJ，
都没有clubs。
这把我flop lead out是不是更好些？原来的计划是 如果sb fold， 我可以check/
raise initial raiser。sb如果call，我可以选择... 阅读全帖 |
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g*******s
发帖数: 2828 | 13 $1/2 family game. first time i played with this group. the host and his
friend were ultra aggressive to the tune of maniac. i haven't played many
hands all night.
Hand 1: Host straddled for $4. Folded to me (UTG+1) who raised to $12 with
Snowmen. Folded to Host who called. He had been ultra aggressive with pre-
flop raise $20+ and 3 betting over 50% of the time. He just lost a few hands
to mediocre hands and had about $200, and i had him covered. Flop was 224r.
He checked. I bet $17. He re-poppe... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 14 Thanks for all the comments.
Hand 2: I should check on the turn. (1) I had pretty much no equity there (2
) I still have the chance to bluff them away on the river if they both had a
drawing hand. Contiueing bluff mode and don't know when to stop is one of
my big problems.
Hand 4: I am happy with the river raise since I would play over pair the
exact same way. There is no merit to raise the turn with over pair since it
just turned my hand to bluff. And if he picked up additional oddes such as
QJ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 15 Here is my thought,
Hand 1: I'd rule out AA/KK/QQ/JJ from villian's range because (1) it is
likely that villian will raise pf after a few limpers when holding those
hand (2) even he limpes, it is more likely that he would lead out on the
flop with such a draw heavy board if he had AA/KK. There is slightly chance
that he has QQ/JJ. QJ/22 are certainly in his range. J2s is possbile but
unlikely. And if he had bottom two on the flop, I think he would lead out
rather than slow play then wake up afte... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 River is a tough decision after check call turn. It is true. You really
need to have a good read to make the decision for check folding or check
calling river. If like you said "loose donk may choose to shove river with
most of his range", then our decision becomes easy--close you eyes and call.
There are a lot of factor needs to be considered at river, such as " does
he turn pocket 6s into a bluff by shoving river?", "does he 2 barrel bluff
complete air on turn and river?", "does bobo's ... 阅读全帖 |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 17 感觉就是你在stake maniac一样，人家辛辛苦苦bluff来的钱几把都被你清了 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 1/2NL, a normal (by normal, i mean semi nit or above average) player sitting
to my right has about $500, i have about the same.
we talk a lot about hands and other ppl for almost all night.
table is passive or a limp fest, after 2 maniacs busted, now this hand comes.
2 limpers, NG (normal guy) limps too, i bet $15 with AQs. in the past, AQs
is like the bottom of my $15 range and he knows.
others all give respect and fold, NG snap calls.
flop: QT5 rainbow.
he checks to me, i bet $25, he tanks and... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****s
发帖数: 3289 | 19 Just got back from local casino.
It's not exactly my first time, as I played twice at TI, Las Vegas during a
crazy road trip last year. They only have 5 or 6 tables.
Played 100NL (2&3) for about 4/5 hours. Two big fishes (A&B) at the table (
playing crappy hands and keeping calling & calling). However, I was card
dead most of the time. There's not much I could do other than seeing other
solid players eating up their buy-ins one by one. One hand i flopped a
broadway,and A called my big re-raise( ... 阅读全帖 |
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D********i
发帖数: 78 | 20 With no further read of this guy on BB, I can only assume that he is playing
the normal poker but not some kind of maniac floating around.
No big pairs for him apparently due to the check preflop. Big pair should
have squeezed to narrow down the field. Other than that, he is capable of
holding any two cards. Connectors, suited cards, suited connector, low pair
is still possible but not so likely, coz you may want to play your pair
short handed but not family pot.
I got reraised at the flop, what... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 21 哥总觉得哥玩的merge 6MAX 50NL跟老湿玩的同样的merge 6MAX 50NL是平行世界
哥HM2里唯一赢钱的reg只有wannacookie kitycat pinball什么的，什么rayallan什么
的闻所未闻。
哥这个世界里，赢钱的清一色Tagish、Nit。那些个Lagish的偶尔fancy的，基本上
lagish一会儿就tilt了，然后就maniac了，然后chips就流来流去。呵呵 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 22 1 3K 1R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
2 3K 1R/1A 60 + 55 + 55
3 2K 22
4 3K Turbo 1R/1A 44 + 40
5 4K R/1A 11 + 10 + 10
6 4.5K 33
哥觉得自己是属青蛙的：
1号，11bb a5o在UTG推没人接。k9o，小盲位3bet shove 11bb，CL kq call，挂
3 号，庄家位15bb AQo 3bb open，小盲flat，flop 84Jr cbet ½/call了小盲位
橙色玩家的raise shove，对方亮出 83s and hold（好吧），挂
6 号，AKo 4bet shove to 50bb jj，输到只剩10bb。大盲位用a4o 9bb squeeze 一个
松哥ep 2bb的open以及后面一群松哥flat的4-way的pot，庄家位平call/reshove with
ATs，CO玩家，用... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 23 4篇日记写下来，bankroll down了将近1k哈，今天又down 400，降级就在眼前，哥实在
是有点无奈。不过这也算是正常，本来学习就是要付出代价，这来回几千的对哥来说也
影响不到生活，相反的戒骄戒躁，该怎么玩就怎么玩，在哥看来才是更重要的，以此与
广大胸怀赌神梦想的有志宅男共勉。
05/27/13
1 4k 11 + 10
2 3k 60 + 55 + 55
3 3k 44 + 40
4 5k 11 + 11 + 11 + 11
5 10k 60
6 4k 33
1) AA win 100bb against JJ on QT2r 3bet flop. Villain is marked as overplay
fish. UTG limp, UTG+1 limp, MP min raise 2bb, BUTTON call, SB call, hero on
BB with KK pot size squeeze 12bb, MP flat, BUTTON flat, flop 456r, BUTTON
shove his rest 2x... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 我觉得你吧紧弱和紧胸搞混了。 Phil 的所谓加强班紧凶难道不正是TAG的典型？ 我觉
得tourney 紧凶比较好打还是可以理解的， 毕竟筹码浅，fold equity 应该也比较小
由于chip stack 和 pot equity 的关系, 如果大家打法对，最后还是比谁的起手牌好
。
Cash 虽然筹码深， 其实紧凶也是最好打的，如今lag 泛滥，我觉得其实是误导了很多
人，其实起手牌好是打牌可以稳定盈利最重要的部分， 至少Holdem 是这样。 就像我
说的， 要做伪装成松凶的紧凶最划算，这个其实在live 比online 容易， live 没有
大量数据， 一两手牌就可以把自己伪装成松凶（or maniac) 妥妥的. Online 要难很
多， 只能用vpip 来伪装， 不过仔细看看数据，也可以轻松看出谁是真的， 谁是假的。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 BSO 在NL100，40手内用超级maniac style double up stack.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 这牌读对手是weak tight. 为啥的打起来把对手当作maniac 呢？ 一塌糊涂。。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 27
7 buy in downswing是很正常的，但是被3bet了几次开始tilt，尤其是有position的情
况下，就很不应该了。从lz以前的帖子看，lz的技术应该是没有问题的，但是很可能
tournament和6max的dynamic不一样吧
其实感觉lz在“第四把我用ato 4bet overshove反推他100bb”的时候就tilt了。ATo面
对wide 3b range且有position的时候绝对是应该call的。其次4b bluff fold to 5b也
还可以。4b all-in是很大的一个leak。
感觉我认识的很多人仅仅把tilt看作是emotion的问题而不是技术的问题，这是不对的
。举个例子来说，如果我现在去打NL20，不管出现什么情况我都不太可能tilt，因为对
手的move基本都在意料之中。但是上周末打NL200打了没几手牌，在没有任何bad beat
的情况下，就觉得情绪有点失控，因为明显感觉对手在利用position exploit我，而我
没有很好的应对的办法。这种情况下一般我就换桌或者不打了。
即使桌上的reg skill edge不是很大，... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 28 TEN TIPS TO BEAT LIVE CASH GAMES
LIVE AID
BY ROSS JARVISNOVEMBER 2009
Training sites like CardRunners and PokerXFactor have a lot to answer for. A
few years ago, online poker rooms were swarming with fish readily handing
over their money on a daily basis. Unfortunately those days are over. While
you still might come across a dream table from time to time, it’s clear
that there’s been a gradual improvement online to the point that even at
lower limits such as $0.25/$0.50 you’ll find regular caree... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 45 (out of 52) tables are running again now at 3:33PM, only Thurs afternoon,
lol, AND, i'm sure just like yesterday, plenty of ppl are waiting outside
just to get in.
guess the only way you can secure a seat is to go there like 30stand, 6AM on
this weekend. don't forget they'll have tournaments to Aruba Championship
running too, and it'll for sure take at least a few tables away.
oh, man, metro DC area is full of poker maniacs, when and how can i get a
bowl of fish soup? lol. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 i have another PT job (yeah, shitty pay though) and my official title at MDL
is the asian donk marketing assistant. this is why everyday i'm obliged to
pump this place up with unreal stories, maniac BBJs, movie trailers, trash
talks...
under the cover, this place is actually a shark tank, be very careful with
your hard earned $$$, because, you know what, we'll take it and tell you "
better luck next time!"
at MDL, we offer $1/hr (600 points) comp for classic members, $1.25 for gold
, $1.5 for pl... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 31 Against nitty player preflop.
Regular, TAG turn?
Bad players and maniac, never fold. cross your finger and pray.
I have a feeling you stake off pretty light playing deep stake. Is this how
these games regularly are? If so, games must be juicy. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 34 你这种打法很适合BOVADA，没ID，换一桌就又不认识你了。有ID的网站还是要收敛一点
，好的TAG和LAG不怵这种打法的。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 35 是这样的. 我以前在carbon这么搞了一阵子后, 有的regular都开始call me all the
way with K high了,只好又回头搞value bet no bluff. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 36 果然是妹泥雅克。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 37 之前看到这个帖子，缺少太多information，哥觉得没法回答。
今正逢哥工作偷懒有时间，就说说哥的个人看法。
让哥先猜一下，这手牌实际两种可能性
1 lz拿ace high call了，抓到了bluff
2 lz弃牌，对手“自豪地”亮出bluff
如果哥猜中了，请给十个包子，谢谢
回到这手牌，in position, blind vs blind, maniac villain, perfect spot to
play wild here，所以单从这手牌来看，怎么打都不算错，所以结果到底怎么样，也不
是那么重要，当然如果哥真猜对了，包子还是要claim的，呵呵。
哥说，问题的关键不在于这手牌怎么玩，而在于楼主遇到类似这种情况的频率有多大。
有个大牛曾说过，经常性的创造大pot，本身没有问题，经常性的遇到marginal
situation，本身也问题不大。但如果把这两个因素合起来，那我们就称他为，经常性
得给自己创造tough spot。这样长期打下来，对身心健康有害，而且对于业余玩家众多
的nl100这个级别来讲，完全是吃力不讨好的事情，呵呵。
在tough spot上追求最佳... 阅读全帖 |
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P******y
发帖数: 55 | 38 同样一万个赞！基本每句话都说到点上。
稍有一点点理解分歧的是＂如果check，等于是fold了，后面有任何bet都call不动＂，
4 way actions 能bet这个flop的range基本上都get KQs beat，除非碰到maniac cbet
every time 。当然话说回来，能call over donk bet的range也基本上都beat KQs，但
毕竟这些range已经很窄，大多数情况下不太会hit flop big，所以SB的bet实际上是一
个defensive bet，怕万一是大家check thru了，就直接失去了对pot的控制，还不如
make move，大多数情况下在flop上就拿下pot。可能也是对进pot的其他player有一定
的read，觉得相对weak，没有绝对大牌不太会跟，即使真的碰到set str8，那就任命了
，落后但有out。
最终这手牌还是看SB的range，aggressive的程度讨论前面说过了
nut |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 39 这个你也说的太外行了吧。对手的level不同对应的决策当然是不同的。你在一个wet的
board拿到TPTK，对手raise。没read和有read，对手是什么level，对手是nit还是
maniac这个决策能一样吗？
我一年也就去赌场两三次，live的玩家什么水平完全没有概念。这个能乱说吗？
要是我在live的帖子里面说应该怎么怎么打，估计你的回复就是“有些人，live打了不
到一百个小时，就开始怎么怎么样了”吧？ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 40 所以这个river最优百分比还是跟bet size有关，而且，hero的image也影响到了
villain的决策，也就是说，这里的optimal play是hero在知道villain对hero在这里
nuts/air的估计值后，给出一个合适size的bet，让villain明知道到hero以villain对
他的估计值为标准，混杂着nut和air，仍然call不进去（-ev call）。
这个估计值，是由hero的perceiving range决定的，也就是说不同情况下，OTR hero的
optimal bet size是不同的。
举一个简单的例子，同样的line，hero的image是rock和maniac，他的river的optimal
betting size是不同的。
我的理解对么？ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 41 如果我是其中一个对手的话，hero在3 way成flush面的turn上2nd barrel，已经rep了
一个monster，我的一般顶对小kicker，non nuts flush draw，全部跪了
但是这里如果hero check，我可能觉得自己的对子都good，river很大可能性还要跟上
一条街，所以从abc的角度来讲，我是hero的话，愿意在这里check，期盼任何一位
popup，然后raise，或者river再来个1/2的value bet
但是，碰到青虫哥这样的image，我一般顶对无脑call到底了，pay off就pay off吧，
统计上讲，顶对pot control对上maniac，狂+ev。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 43 这不是60去抓bluff去赢140的事
river的时候pot才十几个bb，raise reraise means huge strength
换了哥估计十有八九还是fold了
理由很简单，100NL 不管对手是maniac也好，high level pro也好，敢这样干，是反着
该级别的数学规律打牌，被规律惩罚是迟早的事
事实那么高的vpip和pfr加上6以上的aggression，已经是纯donk的级别了，不输这一手
，他这样保持下去，除非运气聚好，在几百手牌内，抡掉3个buyin简直是必然的 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 44 哥桌上有个reg，maniac style，跟虫神一路的，但是看着他送出好多
其实一年多以前就看到他在玩，这回实在好奇他，然后去ptr查他id
结果，哥直接吓尿了，career peak +9M，然后打到-1M，再回到6M
再然后，哥想来版上吐槽，码完字，登陆ptr再查，发现数据都变了，他只是一个600NL
breakeven player。
看来以后查id一定要登陆啊。。。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 45 qing老爷子 PanamonCreel22 就是一maniac 但是他今天把我给咬惨了 既然我们在同一
个skin 同一个级别 请站内投条 我们互通一下id
谢谢 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 46 我现在不打了，你可以找本版板斧D神交流，他在那里。
panamoncreel属于maniac,run hot的时候是可能几个月赢6位数的，但他总体并不一定
赢钱。我也碰到过另外一个ID，整天说8个月赢了15万，有一点是肯定的，真正的长期
大赢家从不向陌生人吹嘘。
你可以介绍下你的扑克经历，帮你看看你该打什么级别。 |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 47 然后安立刻要求换桌 后面座一个老有牌的maniac没法打
这手牌的教训还是fryking说的 oop打trouble hand |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 48 as you two said, i had a hard time to believe him too, lol, but any other
hands except TJ don't quite make sense either. after all, he's still an
above average reg who plays every day. we two had some history before.
as for my hand, well, i'm weak and sick, not really too worried to protect
my hands all the time, a little similar to the maniac above. |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 49 然后安立刻要求换桌 后面座一个老有牌的maniac没法打
这手牌的教训还是fryking说的 oop打trouble hand |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 50 as you two said, i had a hard time to believe him too, lol, but any other
hands except TJ don't quite make sense either. after all, he's still an
above average reg who plays every day. we two had some history before.
as for my hand, well, i'm weak and sick, not really too worried to protect
my hands all the time, a little similar to the maniac above. |
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