c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 1 Thomas Fleming, Against Rebellion; Why did some colonials remain loyal to
the king? Wall Street Journal, Nov. 17, 2010.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703506904575592613344540820.html
(book review on Thomas B. Allen, Tories; Fighting for the King in America’s
First Civil War. Harper Collins, 2010)
Quote: "How many Tories resided in the colonies at the outbreak of war?
Using the latest research, Mr. Allen reports that the old estimate—a third
of Americans—is outdated; under scruti... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 2 Thomas Fleming, Against Rebellion; Why did some colonials remain loyal to
the king? Wall Street Journal, Nov. 17, 2010.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703506904575592613344540820.html
(book review on Thomas B. Allen, Tories; Fighting for the King in America’s
First Civil War. Harper Collins, 2010)
Quote: "How many Tories resided in the colonies at the outbreak of war?
Using the latest research, Mr. Allen reports that the old estimate—a third
of Americans—is outdated; under scruti... 阅读全帖 |
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w****j 发帖数: 5581 | 3 忍不住冒泡说句话。Loyalists和patroits算不上是死敌,虽然有死硬派和英军一起作
战。在反叛军控制的地区,对Loyalists的做法一般是没收财产。胆敢公开支持英国人
的loyalists会被威胁私刑伺候,你知道的,浇沥青粘鸡毛算是典型的。一般来说
loyalists和patriots之间说不上有什么仇恨,大家都是邻居,财产状况也相差不多,
没有你死我活的对立。Patriots的目的不过是阻止loyalist不要拿起武器跟着英国人而
已。一个典型案例是在1775年,南卡地区的loyalist领袖Colonel Thomas Fletchall和
反叛军还签订了中立条约。杀全家的例子也不是没有,费城陷落后, patroits处决了
两家帮助英军的。这算是杀全家了吧?当然,最终美国和中国的国情大不相同。要是血
流成河,你还是要看看法国大革命了。另外,英国的克伦威尔革命也杀了不少人,这才
给后面的光荣革命开了路。要不然,你以为宗教改革那么容易啊?天主教和圣公会之间
杀来杀去的还少了啊?血腥玛丽这个名头您老也不会没听说过吧? |
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p**********d 发帖数: 7918 | 4 March 17, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/africa/18nations.html?_
U.N. Approves Airstrikes to Halt Attacks by Qaddafi Forces
By DAN BILEFSKY and KAREEM FAHIM
UNITED NATIONS — The United Nations Security Council approved a measure on
Thursday authorizing “all necessary measures” to protect Libyan civilians
from harm at the hands of forces loyal to Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.
The measure allows not only a no-fly zone but effectively any measures short
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a*****1 发帖数: 3817 | 5 自己去看美国宪法
United States Constitution
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United States Constitution
Constitution of the United States, page 1.jpg
Page one of the original copy of the Constitution
Created
September 17, 1787
Ratified
June 21, 1788
Date effective
March 4, 1789; 227 years ago
Location
National Archives,
Washington, D.C.
Author(s)
Philadelphia Convention
Signatories
39 of the 55 delegates
Purpose
To replace the Articles of Confederation (177... 阅读全帖 |
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a*****1 发帖数: 3817 | 6 自己去看美国宪法
United States Constitution
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Jump to: navigation, search
United States Constitution
Constitution of the United States, page 1.jpg
Page one of the original copy of the Constitution
Created
September 17, 1787
Ratified
June 21, 1788
Date effective
March 4, 1789; 227 years ago
Location
National Archives,
Washington, D.C.
Author(s)
Philadelphia Convention
Signatories
39 of the 55 delegates
Purpose
To replace the Articles of Confederation (177... 阅读全帖 |
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g**1 发帖数: 10330 | 7 3,500 Morsi loyalists arrested in 5 days – Brotherhood lawyer
Egypt’s security forces have arrested 3,500 supporters of deposed President
Mohamed Morsi since Wednesday, Ahram Online cited Muslim Brotherhood lawyer
Mustafa El-Demeery as saying. El-Demeery said about 2,000 Morsi loyalists
were arrested during the dispersal of the Rabaa Al-Adaweya and Al-Nahda sit-
ins on Wednesday. Some 1,500 more were arrested during clashes between Morsi
supporters, security forces and downtown Cairo residents i... 阅读全帖 |
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L*****G 发帖数: 12375 | 10 这么大一个国家。5毛不算,主要是生活所迫,挣钱养家,内心可能一直不安。 |
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w***h 发帖数: 3343 | 11 www.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/world/middleeast/libyas-interim-leaders-to-
investigate-qaddafi-killing.html?_r=1&hp
October 24, 2011
In Libya, Massacre Site Is Cleaned Up, Not Investigated
By KAREEM FAHIM and ADAM NOSSITER
SURT, Libya — In the parched garden of the Mahari Hotel, volunteers on
Monday scrubbed signs of a recent massacre. They collected dozens of bodies,
apparently of people executed on the hotel grounds several days ago, but
left other evidence behind, like the plastic ties that were ... 阅读全帖 |
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o**********e 发帖数: 18403 | 14 【 以下文字转载自 JobHunting 讨论区 】
发信人: onetiemyshoe (onetiemyshoe), 信区: JobHunting
标 题: 鲁荣渔2682对比Mutiny on the Bounty (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jan 24 21:43:03 2016, 美东)
发信人: onetiemyshoe (onetiemyshoe), 信区: Military
标 题: 鲁荣渔2682对比Mutiny on the Bounty
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Jan 24 21:42:46 2016, 美东)
中国要是不小心就会成叙利亚。
叙利亚才是真正的鲁荣渔2682,
an endless cycle of mass violence.
我看过的最有信息含量的是这篇文:
http://www.cnhanzhong.com/2016/news_f_0114/12607.html
但是很少有人把鲁荣渔2682跟Mutiny on the Bounty
做对比。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article... 阅读全帖 |
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m***n 发帖数: 12188 | 15 你太偏见
拿朝鲜战争为例。不要用后视看问题,即使用后来视角,南韩在民生和民主上超越北韩
,也是很久以后的事情。
一个好类比是美国独立,当时独立军和反独立的loyalist,印第安人谁是正义?
站在后来的视角,美国首先是后来的既成事实,存在即合理。你还可以说美国伟大,民
主,打败了法西斯,等等。所以美国独立是正义的。
但是你简单地说当时反独立的是反动,就太偏见了。
站在当时的时代,反对美国独立建国的loyalist, 印第安人,只怕还更有正义性一些。
同样,在朝鲜战争中,中国也是正义的。 |
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a*****1 发帖数: 3817 | 16 自己去看美国宪法
United States Constitution
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
United States Constitution
Constitution of the United States, page 1.jpg
Page one of the original copy of the Constitution
Created
September 17, 1787
Ratified
June 21, 1788
Date effective
March 4, 1789; 227 years ago
Location
National Archives,
Washington, D.C.
Author(s)
Philadelphia Convention
Signatories
39 of the 55 delegates
Purpose
To replace the Articles of Confederation (1777)
This articl... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 17 Parscale被床铺任命为2020竞选经理,他马上把Katrina也拉进来占个好位置。
Donald Trump Bets That Familiar Faces and Online Virality Will Win Him Four
More Years
Brad Parscale is the campaign manager for the re-elect. Katrina Pierson is
likely to have a senior role. And other loyalists will join them too.
03.01.18 8:13 PM ET
Donald Trump’s decision to hire his 2016 campaign’s digital strategist,
Brad Parscale, to run his re-election bid is a strategic bet that insularity
and online virality can, once more, win him four years... 阅读全帖 |
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s******v 发帖数: 4495 | 20 今天的下跌应该是因为有analyst bash z10,寄希望于Q10,可是Z10好歹有7万个app,
这个Q10 screen size/shape不一样,让那些7万个app的developer在2-3个月重写app?
同一个OS有两个screen shape,BB既要照顾以前的客户,又要争新用户,多折腾啊。
U.S. wireless carriers are not optimistic about the prospects for the
BlackBerry Z10 touchscreen smartphone, Wedge Partners analyst Brian Blair
asserts in a research note today.
“While Blackberry’s stock continues to get whipsawed as investors debate
the hopes for Z10 sell-through against headlines like Home Depot ditching
Blackberry for iPh... 阅读全帖 |
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a**n 发帖数: 2994 | 22 洗脑的作用毕竟是有限的,小将指望党卫军PLA永葆自己
万年江山,这是不可能的。
Libyan security forces switch sides as Gadhafi hangs on
Tripoli, Libya (CNN) -- Embattled Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi seemed
increasingly cornered Sunday as security forces defected to the opposition
in a town near the capital and the United Nations Security Council voted for
tough restrictions on and possible war crimes charges against the Libyan
regime.
Former security forces said they had switched sides and joined the
opposition in Zawiya, a town abou... 阅读全帖 |
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m***n 发帖数: 12188 | 24 回到楼主的问题,所谓满人回东北建国,本来就是个假命题。属于历史盲的问题。
清末的满人大半根本没有这个想法。人家早就认同中国了。不管好坏,中国就是他们心
目里唯一的祖国(参考老舍的小说《正红旗下》,这红旗可不是那红旗)。即使是激进
的“宗社党”,也没说要和汉人分家,建立满人的国家,而是要建立旗人和忠诚派的国
家。类似美国革命后,大批人loyalists北逃,加拿大。而且宗社党是对革命党和《革
命军》那样极端言论的一个反动,本身是因为太过悲愤,被动产生的。
历史上炒作满洲独立,满人建国的基本都是日本和俄罗斯。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 25 American Revolution - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
The American Revolution was a political upheaval that took place between
1765 and 1783 during which colonists in the Thirteen American Colonies
rejected ...
American Revolutionary War · Loyalist · Patriot ·
8206;France in the American
美国革命是指在1765年至1783年期间导致了北美十三殖民地脱离大英帝国并且创建了美
利坚合众国的一连串事件与思潮。
美国独立战争(1775年—1783年)是革命的其中一部分,然而革命在莱克星顿与康考德
(Concord)打响的第一发子弹之前就已经开始了,并且在英国于约克镇投降之后还持
续下去。约翰·亚当斯写道:
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w*********r 发帖数: 42116 | 26 反对派发布的消息, 米格23
4 captured by rebels in air base in Benghazi
4 captured by rebels at Tobruk air base
4 captured by rebels at Misratah
1 captured by rebels at Al-Abrak
reuters消息
On 15 March 2011, a rebel website reported that opposition forces started
using a captured MiG-23 and a helicopter to sink 2 loyalist ships and
bombing some tank positions.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-libya-ships-newspa
利比亚共有109架米格23 |
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M**d 发帖数: 4418 | 27 新文章,如需要,可以使用google translator http://translate.google.com/#
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20110204.htm
Noam Chomsky
The Guardian, February 4, 2011
"The Arab world is on fire," al-Jazeera reported last week, while throughout
the region, western allies "are quickly losing their influence". The shock
wave was set in motion by the dramatic uprising in Tunisia that drove out a
western-backed dictator, with reverberations especially in Egypt, where
demonstrators overwhelmed a dictator's brutal pol... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********s 发帖数: 2136 | 28 【 以下文字转载自 WorldNews 讨论区 】
发信人: whiteclouds (/ 参考消息 /), 信区: WorldNews
标 题: 卡恩遭陷害分析
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed May 18 19:47:48 2011, 美东)
The Strauss Kahn Frame-Up
The Amerikan Police State Strides Forward
By Paul Craig Roberts
5-18-11
The International Monetary Fund's director, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, was
arrested last Sunday in New York City on the allegation of an immigrant
hotel maid that he attempted to rape her in his hotel room. A New York judge
has denied Strauss-Kahn bail on the grounds that he ... 阅读全帖 |
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L*****G 发帖数: 12375 | 29 在政府军的支持下。
神奇的国度啊。
Reports say Mohammad Gaddafi, son of the Libyan leader has escaped from
custoday after being captured by opposition fighters yesterday. He was aided
by Gaddafi loyalists.
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/Libya |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 30 我上次的帖子(见后面)居然被删除,唉。军版关于军事的帖子,寿命都不长啊。
这里认识我的人,都知道我反对独裁者。但是近来看新闻知道卡扎菲的支持者在北约武
装和协助下的叛军攻陷首都之后,还在负隅顽抗,不肯屈服,不免也心存敬佩。一是敬佩卡扎菲绝非等闲之辈,肯定对国对民还是有贡献的;二是敬佩支持忠于卡扎菲的那些利比亚人,最终只能够靠为他流尽最后一滴血来表达这种忠诚。
独裁统治的特点,就是和反对派不共戴天,不是你死,就是我死。
我又想到,如果中共到了卡扎菲这一步,有多少人会象这些卡扎菲追随者这样死战护主呢 ?这里的这些小将有人愿意为了共产党继续统治战斗到生命最后一息吗 ?
发信人: wonderment (wonder), 信区: Military
标 题: 我通过卡扎菲被推翻,看到的是独裁政权更替的血腥恐怖
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 22 09:27:43 2011, 美东)
我通过卡扎菲被推翻,看到的是独裁政权更替的血腥恐怖。卡扎菲其实是个理想主义者
,他虽然霸道,但是肯定是一心想建设利比亚,让利比亚人民过好日子的统治者,你看
看他的那些富民政策,还有那么多真心的拥护者... 阅读全帖 |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 31 自己顶一下。
敬佩卡扎菲绝非等闲之辈,肯定对国对民还是有贡献的;二是支持忠于卡扎菲的那些利
比亚,最终只能够靠为他流尽最后一滴血来表达这种忠诚。
主呢 ?这里的这些小将有人愿意为了共产党继续统治战斗到生命最后一息吗 ? |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 32 至少土共上层的贪官污吏绝不会为土共卖命的。下层的一些愚昧被洗脑的人可能刚开始
的时候会,但是很快他们就会被发现自己被当成贪官污吏的炮灰而改变自己的想法而首
先顾全自己。在这个角度讲土共已经给自己掘好墓了。 |
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C*******d 发帖数: 15836 | 34 期待他们为土共卖命,我还不如去教老母猪上树,哈哈哈。 |
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l**m 发帖数: 241 | 37 你的这个观点就是美国大部分政客的观点,也就是任何东西都可以trade,只要价格合
适。
这是为什么我不喜欢克林顿,奥巴马。小布什反而好点。小布什对什么说不的话,你就不
要想了,比如堕胎这样的话题,或者小布什想打你,很有牛仔风格,联合国不同意也要打
你。而克林顿,奥巴马在价格合适的情况下可以把你卖掉(可能会有些赔偿)。奥巴马这
次表现也是原则性极差,还不如克林顿。
汪精卫也是,价格合适的话一切都可以讨论。
敬佩卡扎菲绝非等闲之辈,肯定对国对民还是有贡献的;二是支持忠于卡扎菲的那些利
比亚人,最终只能够靠为他流尽最后一滴血来表达这种忠诚。
主呢 ?这里的这些小将有人愿意为了共产党继续统治战斗到生命最后一息吗 ? |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 38 你显然是对共产党很不满,盼着他们下台的人,所以这么说。
难道中国社会现在就没有对党感情深厚,愿意献身捍卫的人? 过去,对毛泽东忠诚到
死的中国人,我敢说至少也能上千万。
当然和卡扎菲现在做的一样,共产党最有效的一招肯定是把反对他们的人,都说成是美
国等西方国家指使的,来消灭中国主权和中华文明的。 |
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x****u 发帖数: 44466 | 39 我国是民主制度,不是靠什么领袖主义维持的。。。不要把中美搞混。 |
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I********l 发帖数: 8702 | 40 还是需要定义什么是独裁。在我看来,美国政府就是华尔街的独裁。
敬佩卡扎菲绝非等闲之辈,肯定对国对民还是有贡献的;二是支持忠于卡扎菲的那些利
比亚人,最终只能够靠为他流尽最后一滴血来表达这种忠诚。
主呢 ?这里的这些小将有人愿意为了共产党继续统治战斗到生命最后一息吗 ? |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 41 我不认为我说的话有“任何东西都可以trade,只要价格合适“ 这层意思。我根本就不
是在谈论这个话题。而且我对卡扎菲的追随者还是心有敬意,他们就是你说的不能
trade, 这个是可贵的品质,但是我谈论的是独裁政治制度下,政权交替的残酷性,让
现有统治者下台,只有靠暴力和杀戮。
就不
要打
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 42 中国现在难道不是共产党执政 ?
共产党执政 = 共产主义是旗帜。
共产党执政 = 共产党中央要员和他们的亲信,家人当领袖。 |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 44 离开了邓小平,江泽民,胡锦涛 P 都不是,何况你说的人大 ? |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 47 蒋委员长还不是政府首脑呢,玩儿什么文字游戏 ? |
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m**********n 发帖数: 27535 | 49 George Dubya Bush 离开了老布什P都不是 |
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w********t 发帖数: 12853 | 50 也许当初选他的人就是看在老布什的份儿上呢,也就是这些人实际知道老布什,切尼这
些人在小布什后面,但是这些选民就是喜欢他们这些人来执政。 |
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