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C*******r
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那为什么不仅仅谈新约infallible,而不必旧约infallible? 反正这些经文,律法都
是要求古代犹太人的(对现代犹太人有效吗?假如现代犹太人这样做,你觉得可以接受
吗?),可以根据自己理解取舍,甚至读都不读,死守着旧约infallible, 到底意义在
哪里?
C*******r
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俺的问题是
“本版的基督徒首先来讲讲,什么叫Biblical infallibility?”
这个俺听过无数(当然不是无数,只是数不过来)的版本,而且都似是而非。俺想听听
TrustInJesus版的基督徒们自己是怎么理解的。俺觉得这个infallibility没有根据,
纯粹是某些人为了现实中的某种捷径,造出来的观念。
t*******r
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你还没有给出第二个版本的infallibility。 Inerrancy 在70年代才引人注意,你说“
大多数都是以圣经无误论做inerrancy的理解”显然不合事实,天主教及多数新教徒都
接受infallibility, 而不接受inerrancy。另外说“圣经是真理”不准确,神是真理
,圣经记载了神启示的真理,这是有差别的。
t*******r
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没有什么新约infallible,旧约infallible之说,其实老七提了个很好的问题什么是圣
经真理?你似乎对我的弟兄说要整本圣经理解圣经颇有微词,你不会像老七只挑喜爱的
章节读吧。民数记很枯燥,我是靠听下来的,不想跳过。
回到你引的章节,以色列人想的和做的,基督徒在历史上也作过。现代基督徒会认为神
需要人杀人吗,我相信会有这样的基督徒,但一定不是主流,有同学是乎对基督教神学
在发展也有微词,再一次说基督教不是真理,神是真理,基督徒不过是一群追求真理的
人,基督教和基督徒都会错的。
z****0
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来自主题: USANews版 - The Infallible Romney?
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C*******r
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本版的基督徒首先来讲讲,什么叫Biblical infallibility,你们到底相不相性这一条
t*******r
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弟兄说的应该是Biblical Inerrancy,基督徒都同意的是Biblical infallibility。
z********o
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仔细解释一下你认为的“Biblical infallibility”。
s**i
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山海经是无误的。原书无误,是女娲inspired.山海经 is infallible.
你只要相信女娲,信山海经无误,就齐活了。
C*******r
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那就回答一下,因为中文根本没有infallibility和inerrancy的区别,结果大多数都是
以圣经无误论做inerrancy的理解。比如杨杰森兄弟,一开始也是这么理解的。当然,
还有思考稍微多一点的,就当成圣经是真理,真理解释可以有不同的解了。当然正因为
如此,具体到某一本书,那解释就千差万别了。
C*******r
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看来你这个求道者是赞成infallible,不赞成inerrant的了?
前面lifestreamin兄弟提到:圣经本身的性质乃是灵(约六63)。所以把圣经仅仅当成“
记载了神启示的真理”,合适吗?
s**i
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Infallible是整个圣经的精神,教义。这个天主教也没问题。
Inerrance是新教特别是基要派的,就是圣经本身无误。就是最初inspire出来的书没有
错误,没有内在矛盾。
因为新教没有教皇教宗,根基就是圣经,所以必须坚持这个。
h*o
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - THE CHICAGO STATEMENT ON BIBLICAL INERRANCY
http://www.reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://w
芝加哥圣经无误宣言
THE CHICAGO STATEMENT
ON BIBLICAL INERRANCY
Preface
The authority of Scripture is a key issue for the Christian Church in this
and every age. Those who profess faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior
are called to show the reality of their discipleship by humbly and
faithfully obeying God's written Word. To Stray from Scripture in faith or
conduct is disloyalty to our Master. Recognition of the total truth and
trustworthi... 阅读全帖
R******d
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 再说说婴儿受洗的问题
本来仪式都没有什么实际意义,都是精神活动的象征,都是为精神活动服务的。关于对
圣经的解释,圣经说得不明确的地方,本来就是人解释的——神没解释的只能人来解释
了。就连一些原则的问题,比如三位一体,不也是建立在人解释的基础上的么?更何况
仪式呢。
天主教教皇的话和文字不是圣谕,是受到圣灵的引导并综合学者们对圣经的研究而对圣
经做的诠释。英文里有个词叫infallible,意思是“不可能错的”。自古至今所有教皇
的话和文字,只有2条是infallible的,一个是关于神的存在,另一个,这个记不太清
了但肯定是跟新教没有分歧的一点,好像是关于耶稣基督的神性的。从另一个角度说,
就是教皇的话,除了这两点以外,都有可能是错的。不是说不尊重教皇的话,而是承认
教皇的人性。——更正,由教皇正式承认的具有extraodinary infallibility的两个观点是Immaculate Conception和Assumption of Mary。因为papal infallibility这个概念是1869-1870年才被正式界定的,所以之前的哪些观点属于这个范畴,学者之间是有争议的。
也有人把教皇比喻
R******d
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Rosamond 俺想问你几个问题
Papal infallability是有条件的。The gift of inffalibility is exercised only
when the Pope issues an ex cathedra statement on faith and morals or when he
proposes a teaching united with all the bishops of the world.
Papal infallability不代表教皇所有的话和文字都是infallable的。实际上被列为
infallable的观点是很稀少的。
l**********t
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - ZT - 有道可传﹐以经解经 (林慈信)
ZT from blog: http://www.mitbbs.com/user_info/SEEKETERNAL/f512b9694c58447f60825a2ff8734fb4
This article in the blog has been censured by MITBBS.
--------------------------------------------
有道可传﹐以经解经﹕
建立一套认信的神学的迫切性
林慈信(增订版)
导论﹕给华人教会的紧急呼吁

两千年教会史告诉我们:主基督的教会继续不断成长前进,同时也面临世界接二连三的
挑战。五花八门的试探,想要引诱教会在信仰生活事奉各方面姑息妥协,顺应世界潮流
。然而,教会付上血泪代价至死忠心,竭力持守护卫『从前一次交付圣徒的真道』。「
后现代主义」已经席卷整个世界,男女老幼已不再相信有绝对的真理,众人根据自己主
观经历来看《圣经》,自说自话众说纷纭。情感居首经验挂帅,教义不明真道不彰。因
此,在教会内外生灵涂炭,人心饥渴寻求救世真道,即《圣经》所启示的全面福音真理
。华人教会正值此跨世纪的关键时刻,再次面临承先启... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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C****i
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 神學教育典範﹕神學生必讀書目
神學教育典範﹕神學生必讀書目
A CLASSIC SEMINARY EDUCATION:
My Recommended Reading List
What the 21st century longs and needs to see, are Christians and
churches w
ho have a message to proclaim. Do you know what you believe? Building one
's own theological foundation is a life time task. It may involve going to s
eminary, or it may not. Not everyone has that opportunity. Sadly, very oft
en a seminary degree does not mean a solid foundation in the doctrines of th
e Bible. However you can launch ou... 阅读全帖
R******d
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 关于版主的事,想说两句
先引用一句教皇自己说的:In July 2005 Pope Benedict XVI asserted during an
impromptu address to priests in Aosta that: "The Pope is not an oracle; he
is infallible in very rare situations, as we know."
Papal infallibility是有条件的,只是针对ex cathedra的:
According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic
tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are as follows:
1. "the Roman Pontiff"
2. "speaks ex cathedra" ("that is, when in the discharge of his office as
shepherd and teacher of all... 阅读全帖
G*******s
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Blinded By Tradition:
An Open Letter to Dave Hunt
Regarding His Newly Published Attack Upon the Reformation, What Love Is This
? Calvinism's Misrepresentation of God
James White
Updated 5/16/02, see bottom of file
Dear Dave,
In the period of time since I finally received my own copy of your book (you
may recall I scanned through it while standing at your table in St. Louis a
t the PFO Conference) I have gone through a number of different emotions. A
t first I was just going to do one Dividing ... 阅读全帖
S**U
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来自主题: Wisdom版 - 一个无信仰者对信仰的思考
尼采说过失去盲目的信仰之后,如何挣扎找到自己相信的美好。
Nietzsche's "Three Metamorphoses"
by Jason Francois
In the section of Thus Spoke Zarathustra entitled, "Of the Three
Metamorphoses,” Zarathustra describes a process of human transformation.
This transformation will become Zarathustra's answer to the fears and
anxieties created by the "death of God".
Nietzsche begins: "I name you three metamorphoses of the spirit: how the
spirit shall become a camel, and the camel a lion, and the lion at last a
child".
These metaphors... 阅读全帖
E*****m
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来自主题: Belief版 - 和Rosamod 的閒談
in·fal·li·ble
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)in-ˈfa-lə-bəl\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Medieval Latin infallibilis, from Latin in-
+ Late Latin fallibilis fallible
Date: 15th century
1 : incapable of error : unerring
2 : not liable to mislead, deceive, or disappoint : certain remedy>
3 : incapable of error in defining doctrines touching faith or morals
— in·fal·li·bil·i·ty \-ˌfa-lə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun
— in·fal
e********0
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Don't you know the "papal infallibility"?
Papal infallibility is the dogma in Catholic theology that, by action of the
Holy Spirit, the Pope is preserved from even the possibility of error[1]
when he solemnly declares or promulgates to the universal Church a dogmatic
teaching on faith or morals as being contained in divine revelation, or at
least being intimately connected to divine revelation.
If you say loudly "Even the pope can be wrong", you will be hunt down by
millions of conservative Cath
E*****m
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Rosamond 俺想问你几个问题
1. 本來我們就是在說與教會教義有關的, 誰會認為教皇認為
豬肉比牛肉好吃是infallable?
2. 這個我倒不清楚, 有任何一個觀點被正式的列為 infallable 嗎?

he
R******d
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 上课了:基督徒怕死吗?
这篇文章引用的经文说神“拣选”了“我们”,但是没有说明“我们”到底是谁?是一
部分人还是所有人?估计这里是异议的源头吧。
有人是这么解释的:
Predestination (Latin præ, destinare), taken in its widest meaning, is
every Divine decree by which God, owing to His infallible prescience of the
future, has appointed and ordained from eternity all events occurring in
time, especially those which directly proceed from, or at least are
influenced by, man's free will. ...
The notion of predestination comprises two essential elements: God's
infallible foreknowledge (pr&a
h*o
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 芝加哥「圣经无误」宣言
http://www.livingwater4u.com/article/2005/05/23.html
【「芝加哥圣经无误宣言」源自1978年10月26-28日在美国芝加哥市所举行为期三天的
国际会议,此会议是由1977年成立之「国际『圣经无误』协会」(
theInternationalCouncilonBiblicalInerrancy)负责召开,共有来自基督教各宗各派
,将近三百位教会领袖与神学家参加,大会制订并发表此宣言。】
序言
无论是今天或是在历代基督教会中,「圣经的权威」一向是关键的议题。举凡相信耶稣
基督是主和救主的人,均蒙召要谦卑而忠诚地顺服神的话、成文的道,藉此来表明他们
真是主的门徒。人若在信仰或行为上偏离圣经,便是对主不忠。圣经所说的全部是真实
的、绝对可信的;承认此基要真理,我们才能彻底了解并正确告白圣经的权威。
以下的宣言重新确认圣经的无误,表明我们对此真理的认识,并警告绝不可否认之。我
们深信:否认圣经无误,就是撇弃耶稣基督和圣灵的见证,也就是拒绝顺从神所宣告的
话语──而顺从神所宣告的话语正是真基督徒信仰的标记。现今有些基督徒在偏离圣经
无误的真理,而世... 阅读全帖
D*****r
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - [两年反基] Ingersoll论伏尔泰的反基
Voltaire began to think, to doubt, to inquire. He studied the history of the
church, of the creed. He found that the religion of his time rested on the
inspiration of the Scriptures -- the infallibility of the church -- the
dreams of insane hermits -- the absurdities of the Fathers -- the mistakes
and falsehoods of saints -- the hysteria of nuns -- the cunning of priests
and the stupidity of the people. He found that the Emperor Constantine, who
lifted Christianity into power, murdered his wife ... 阅读全帖
j*****6
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - “《圣经》无误”教义的含义
里程 圣经的权威
“《圣经》无误”教义的含义
“《圣经》无误”的定义在《芝加哥圣经无误宣言》中有如下表述:
《圣经》既是神默示的话,為基督作权威的见证,理当是绝对无谬的(infallible)和
绝对无误的(inerrant)。“无谬”和“无误”這兩個負面用词有其特殊的價值,因为
它們明確地保障了非常要緊的正面真理。“无缪infallible”一词表明“既不误导人,
也不被人误导”的特性,所以,此词在范围用語上絕对地保证“《圣经》在凡事上都是
確實、穩固,可靠的準則与指引”的真理。“无误inerrant”一词亦然,它表明“毫无
虛假或错误”的特性,所以,此词保证“《圣经》所有的声言敘述,都是全然真實可信
”的真理。
“《圣经》无误”最简洁的定义是:“《圣经》所说的是真理。”[22] 如果再详
细一些,可以这样定义:“无谬误的意思是,当获悉所有有关资料,《圣经》按原稿在
正确的解释下,会证实所教导的一切都是完全真确的,无论是关乎教义、历史、科学、
地理、地质,或其他科学或知识,都是如此。”
根据这样的定义,“《圣经》无误”容许《圣经》各书卷在写作风格上有差异,... 阅读全帖
C****i
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 聖經版本﹐研讀版聖經
SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGY: THEMES 系統神學﹕專題
Doctrine of the Knowledge of God / Doctrine of Revelation / Doctrine of Scri
pture
認識神﹐啟示論﹐聖經論
John Frame, The Doctrine of the Knowledge of God (Phillipsburg, NJ:
Presbyt
erian and Reformed, 1987). Translation into Chinese in progress, China Hori
zon
這是當代改革宗一本立場穩固﹐思路清晰﹐對福音派 (改革宗以外) 人士採溫和態
度的 "啟示論" 教科書。作者曾在耶魯大學攻讀邏輯﹐多年來在威敏斯特神學院 (費
城校本部﹐和加州校園) 任教﹐近年來在改革宗神學院任系統神學教授。
巴刻在<<基要主義與神的道>>裡為聖經的權威辯護﹐也處理了信心與理性的關
係。本書
的著作﹐是為了回應1950年代英國聖公會自由派的一位主教攻擊基要派。因此... 阅读全帖
C****i
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 威斯敏斯德信条 第一章 论圣经
CHAPTER 1
OF THE HOLY SCRIPTURE
1. Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do
so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men une
xcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of
his will, which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord,
at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal himself, and to declare th
at his will unto his church; and afterwards, for the better preserving and p
ropagatin... 阅读全帖
C****i
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 威斯敏斯德信条 第一章 论圣经
Chapter 1
Of the Holy Scripture
1. Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and
providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of
God, as to leave men unexcusable;
a
yet are they not sufficient to give
that knowledge of God, and of his will, which is necessary unto
salvation.
b
Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in
divers manners, to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his
a. Rom. 2:14–15. For when the Gentiles, which have not the la... 阅读全帖
C****i
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 威斯敏斯德信条 第一章 论圣经
CHAPTER I
Of the Holy Scripture
I. Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do
so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men une
xcusable;[1] yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and
of his will, which is necessary unto salvation.[2] Therefore it pleased the
Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal himself, and to decl
are that his will unto his church;[3] and afterwards, for the better preserv
ing and p... 阅读全帖
C****i
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CHAPTER 5
OF PROVIDENCE
1. God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and gov
ern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least,
by his most wise and holy providence, according to his infallible foreknowl
edge, and the free and immutable counsel of his own will, to the praise of t
he glory of his wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.
2. Although, in relation to the foreknowledge and decree of God, the first C
ause, all things come to pass i... 阅读全帖
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CHAPTER 18
OF THE ASSURANCE OF GRACE AND SALVATION
1. Although hypocrites and other unregenerate men may vainly deceive themsel
ves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, a
nd estate of salvation (which hope of theirs shall perish): yet such as trul
y believe in the Lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity, endeavoring to walk
in all good conscience before him, may, in this life, be certainly assured t
hat they are in the state of grace, and may rejoice in the hope o... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 芝加哥「《聖經》無誤」宣言
【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
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发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 24 16:14:23 2012, 美东)
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标签: 圣经 圣经无误 芝加哥 圣经无误宣言 杂谈 分类: 圣经研经
芝加哥「《聖經》無誤」宣言
[《芝加哥聖經無誤宣言》」源自1978年10月26~28日在美
國芝加哥市所舉行為期三天的國際會議,此會議是由1977年成立
之「國際「《聖經》無誤」協會」(the International Council on
Biblical Inerrancy)負責召開,共有來自基督教各宗各派,將近三百
位教會領袖與神學家參加,大會制訂並發表此宣言。]
序言
無論是今天或是在歷代基督教會中,「《聖經》的權威」一向是
關鍵的議題。舉凡相信耶穌基督是主和救主的人,均蒙召要謙卑而忠
誠地順服神的話成文的道,藉此來表明他們真是主的門徒。人若在信
仰或行為上偏離《聖經》,... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 芝加哥「《聖經》無誤」宣言
请看《西敏斯特信仰告白》是怎么说的:
第一章 论圣经
一、本性之光与创造护理之工,虽彰显神的善良、智慧和权能,叫人无可推诿1;但
都不足以将得救所必须的,有关神及其旨意的知识赐予人2。所以神愿意多次多方将自己
启示给他的教会,并向教会宣布□的旨意3;以后,为了更加保守并传扬真理的缘故,而
且为了更坚立教会,安慰教会,抵挡肉体的败坏,并撒但与世界的恶意起见,遂将全部
启示笔之于书4。于是,神先前向他百姓启示自己旨意的方法已经停止5,故圣经成为我
们最必要的6。
二、在圣经,或笔之于书的神言的名义下,包括旧新约全书,即旧约三十九卷,新
约二十七卷(书名于此从略)。这些书都是出于神的默示7,为信仰与生活的准则。
三、一般称为伪经(Apocrypha)的各卷,既非出于神的默感,所以不属圣经正典,
因此(伪经)在神的教会中没有权威,只能当作其他属人的著作看待或使用之8。
四、应受信服的圣经权威,不在乎任何人或教会的见证,乃完全在乎神(他是真理
的本身)是圣经的著者。因为圣经是神的话,所以当为我们接受9。
五、我们可能受教会所作之见证的感动与影响,因而对圣经有高度敬畏的尊重10。
圣经主题属天的性... 阅读全帖
G*******s
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 关于神的全能和圣经无误。
一个比较好的说法是:
圣经原本 inerrant and infallible
圣经抄本 infallible
C*****e
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【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: 《威斯敏斯特信仰告白》第一章论圣经
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Apr 28 23:48:07 2012, 美东)
第一章 论圣经
一、本性之光与创造护理之工,虽彰显神的善良、智慧和权能,叫人无可推诿1;但
都不足以将得救所必须的,有关神及其旨意的知识赐予人2。所以神愿意多次多方将自己
启示给他的教会,并向教会宣布□的旨意3;以后,为了更加保守并传扬真理的缘故,而
且为了更坚立教会,安慰教会,抵挡肉体的败坏,并撒但与世界的恶意起见,遂将全部
启示笔之于书4。于是,神先前向他百姓启示自己旨意的方法已经停止5,故圣经成为我
们最必要的6。
二、在圣经,或笔之于书的神言的名义下,包括旧新约全书,即旧约三十九卷,新
约二十七卷(书名于此从略)。这些书都是出于神的默示7,为信仰与生活的准则。
三、一般称为伪经(Apocrypha)的各卷,既非出于神的默感,所以不属圣经正典,
因此(伪经)在神的教会中没有权威,只能当作其他属人的著作看待或使用之8。
四、应受信服的... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 圣经无误之现有资源
二楼:
芝加哥圣经无误宣言 http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_622134fd01015gq8.html
芝加哥「《聖經》無誤」宣言 (2012-04-25 04:07:42)[编辑][删除]转载▼
标签: 圣经 圣经无误 芝加哥 圣经无误宣言 杂谈 分类: 圣经研经
芝加哥「《聖經》無誤」宣言
[《芝加哥聖經無誤宣言》」源自1978年10月26~28日在美
國芝加哥市所舉行為期三天的國際會議,此會議是由1977年成立
之「國際「《聖經》無誤」協會」(the International Council on
Biblical Inerrancy)負責召開,共有來自基督教各宗各派,將近三百
位教會領袖與神學家參加,大會制訂並發表此宣言。]
序言
無論是今天或是在歷代基督教會中,「《聖經》的權威」一向是
關鍵的議題。舉凡相信耶穌基督是主和救主的人,均蒙召要謙卑而忠
誠地順服神的話成文的道,藉此來表明他們真是主的門徒。人若在信
仰或行為上偏離《聖經》,便是對主不忠。《聖經》所說的全部是真
實的、絕對可信的;承認此基要真理,我們才能徹底了解並正確告白
《聖經》的... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 圣经无误之现有资源
五楼:
威斯敏斯特信条第一章 论圣经 http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_622134fd01015m8x.
html
《威斯敏斯特信仰告白》第一章论圣经 (2012-04-29 11:46:17)[编辑][删除]转载▼
标签: 杂谈 分类: 基督徒百科
第一章 论圣经
一、本性之光与创造护理之工,虽彰显神的善良、智慧和权能,叫人无可推诿1;但
都不足以将得救所必须的,有关神及其旨意的知识赐予人2。所以神愿意多次多方将自己
启示给他的教会,并向教会宣布□的旨意3;以后,为了更加保守并传扬真理的缘故,而
且为了更坚立教会,安慰教会,抵挡肉体的败坏,并撒但与世界的恶意起见,遂将全部
启示笔之于书4。于是,神先前向他百姓启示自己旨意的方法已经停止5,故圣经成为我
们最必要的6。
二、在圣经,或笔之于书的神言的名义下,包括旧新约全书,即旧约三十九卷,新
约二十七卷(书名于此从略)。这些书都是出于神的默示7,为信仰与生活的准则。
三、一般称为伪经(Apocrypha)的各卷,既非出于神的默感,所以不属圣经正典,
因此(伪经)在神的教会中没有权威,只能当作其他属人... 阅读全帖
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我覺得有些人讀別人的回復,或者反駁,很少思考。所以老是重復一些不是問題的問題。
我再多解釋一些。
聖經裏說的很明確,瑪麗亞沒有性生活,就有了小耶穌。這是和當時流行的巴比倫的神
女之類不一樣的地方。各位不要作什麽處女膜的聯想。瑪麗亞就算小時候騎馬處女膜因
故破裂那也是不曾有性生活的。聖經也沒必要告訴你那麽多。
再者,中世紀神學說瑪麗亞的 forever virginity,其實也許翻譯為“無暇"更好。 耶
穌基督是完美,完全無罪,那瑪麗亞要低一等,只好無暇了。接下來,天主教不是還說
教皇是infallibility 麽? 好比毛主席是萬壽無疆,副統帥只好永遠健康,接下來還
有”比較健康“的周總理。
人類縂有多種創造,或許有些創造在後來顯得可笑。比如瑪麗亞的無暇,教皇的
infallible 和副統帥的永遠健康之類。或許對於新教來説,天主教會和教皇的一些教
條也有些可笑。
天主教要神化瑪麗亞,所以有种种理論。改革宗是反對天主教這許多的過分修飾,和無
聊的創造的。
b*****n
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 老七到底攻击了什么呢?

============
小朋友,让我又教多你一样
圣经无错 (bible inerrancy) 与 圣经无误 (bible infallibility)
是否一样?
inerrancy 和 infallibility 又是 「可通用」的吗?
(不要误信 zhaowendao 的废妇之言喔)
C*****e
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【 以下文字转载自 TrustInJesus 讨论区 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: 《威斯敏斯特信仰告白》第一章论圣经
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Apr 28 23:48:20 2012, 美东)
【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: 《威斯敏斯特信仰告白》第一章论圣经
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Apr 28 23:48:07 2012, 美东)
第一章 论圣经
一、本性之光与创造护理之工,虽彰显神的善良、智慧和权能,叫人无可推诿1;但
都不足以将得救所必须的,有关神及其旨意的知识赐予人2。所以神愿意多次多方将自己
启示给他的教会,并向教会宣布□的旨意3;以后,为了更加保守并传扬真理的缘故,而
且为了更坚立教会,安慰教会,抵挡肉体的败坏,并撒但与世界的恶意起见,遂将全部
启示笔之于书4。于是,神先前向他百姓启示自己旨意的方法已经停止5,故圣经成为我
们最必要的6。
二、在圣经,或笔之于书的神言的名义下,包括旧新... 阅读全帖
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http://listverse.com/2007/08/17/top-10-most-wicked-popes/
Out of the 266 Popes to have ruled the Catholic Church, ten in particular
stand out for their wickedness. This is a list of the ten with a description
of their errors and faults.
1. Liberius, reigned 352-66 [Catholic Encyclopaedia]
Pope Liberius is the first Pope not to be canonised a saint. He reigned
during the height of the Arian crisis during which a large majority of the
Church believed that Jesus was not God, but merely a man. The A... 阅读全帖
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Is the Big-Bang a Religious Hoax?
Huascar Terra do Valle
Science is the opposite of religion. Right? No! Wrong! Religion is always
trying to infiltrate into religion. Sometimes it succeeds. For instance, in
the Big Bang theory.
Today it is almost unanimous among the orthodox astronomers and astrophysics
that the world was created some 12 billions ago from a magnificent
explosion of a primodial atom. In a few seconds, as the theory goes, all the
universe was created from this primordial explosion... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Military版 - Putin Smashes Washington’s Cocoon
http://www.the-american-interest.com/blog/2014/03/01/putin-smas
Battle for UkrainePutin Smashes Washington’s Cocoon
A Politico report calls it “a crisis that no one anticipated.” The Daily
Beast, reporting on Friday’s US intelligence assessment that “Vladimir
Putin’s military would not invade Ukraine,” quotes a Senate aide claiming
that “no one really saw this kind of thing coming.”
Op-eds from all over the legacy press this week helped explained why.
Through the rose tinted lenses of a media co... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Military版 - 俄国为什么不能回到前苏联?
No, you can't go back to the USSR!
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/05/no-you-cant-go-back-to-us
To be sure, many aspects of the old USSR have been happily consigned to
oblivion. Among them:
•The communist ideology: the Communist Party no longer has a monopoly
on power.
•The bloc mentality: the Warsaw Pact evaporated, leaving NATO behind
as the one hand clapping. The new system is a multipolar one.
•Central planning: replaced with a market economy
•Economic isolationism... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Military版 - 唯物主义的必然结果是无神论

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dark-side-of-the-enlightenment-1523050206
This view of “reason”—and of its power, freed from the shackles of
history, tradition and experience—is what Kant called “Enlightenment.” It
is completely wrong. Human reason is incapable of reaching universally
valid, unassailably correct answers to the problems of science, morality and
politics by applying the methods of mathematics.
The first warning of this was Descartes’s 1644 magnum opus, “The
Principles of Philoso... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Military版 - 多神教是没有universal道德的

笛卡尔以为可以reach a final determination of the nature of the universe by
moving from self-evident premises through infallible deductions.
写了一部The Principles of Philosophy so scandalously absurd that no
unabridged English version is in print today
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-dark-side-of-the-enlightenment-1523050206
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Romney claimed, as President, he will never apologize for America.
Anyone makes mistakes, having the courage to right wrongs is a virtue, not a
weakness.
Consider this:
1) The Congress has apologized for the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1896, and
the Japanese Internment Program of the World War II, which were egregious
wrongs that one should learn from and never to repeat.
2) Article 1 of the Florida Constitution still features an "Alien Land Law"
that prohibits AsAms from owning land in Florida. Th... 阅读全帖
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