p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 I played over 20k HUSNG, most are ST one. I had 30+ bi downswing many
times although I have 5% ROI on Super tubo HUSNG. I have 10% ROI on regular
speed HUSNG .
primordialaaa is one of the best high stake HU player, he said he lost 30k
in one day many times playing about 500$ stake.
Game selection is the key. Avoid tilt and ego is very important, I am not
really good at it. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 2 最近看有很多说HUSNG容易addictive。 我也很爱玩，以前以为HU技术成分要占得大些
。 后来才发现有的时候不管你怎么打，牌不行也是白搭。 而且这game还特别容易tilt
。人都有不服输精神，不过越不服输得越多。贴一个我最近打HU的结果。几乎是我打HU
历史上最大的variance。11号那天和同一个人上来连输7吧，咬着牙练习抗tilt能力，
接续玩，后来又连赢6吧。 最后我们两个都感慨HU swing这么大。 这个session，其实
我俩tilt的都不厉害。17号那天遇上一个Russian，上来连续给他bad beat。哥们tilt
开始乱打，让我连赢8把。
总体感觉，HU variance比我想象的太，很多时候是tilt造成（HU比别的game更容易让
你tilt），有的时候不tilt也能连续输N多把。对我来说HUSNG ROI还是不如MTT |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 I have 1500 T$ in the beginning(,since I won 4 FTOPS HU EVENT satellites).
Before I go to bed, I decide to watch some HU games. Meanwhile, I can play
some super turbo HUSNGs. after several hours, my 1500 T$ has only 100 T$
left
ID Start Time Name Buy-in Entrants Position
Won Notes
177224359 Aug 08, 19:13 ET $35 + $0.75 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
$35.00 + $0.75 2 2 --
177223160 Aug 08, 19:06 ET $35 + $0.75 Head |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 4 unless you play fish and keep playing him, there is zero edge playing super
turbo HUSNG. you just robot jam/fold according to the chart. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 Maybe you are wrong, the game is not that simple as you may expect. I am very new to this kind. A ton of stuff can be learned before I can say anything about this game. As you may know, HU is the most skillful game, because you almost are involved with every hand.
if you have 1% edge in super turbo HUSNG, that is good enough, because you
need play a ton.
Fairly enough, you have to beat the rake first.
Another trick is that you need play a ton.
Still enough room there, if you check the record's o |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 6 Do not know if you have played 9-man sng, it is pretty much the same. If you
know the shove stuff very well, you are the winner.
If you go to 200$+ games, everyone is expert there. PPl make zero mistakes there.
However, I know I make a ton of mistakes in HUSNGs,(I need to improve it in the near future.) I still make some decent money, I am sure that game is very profitable.
super |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7
了1
I have feeling that the best time for HUSNG is over. the game is not as
good as before , at least at 100+ buyin level. too many regs now and they
fight each other often.
Ss your opp everytime, only rematch with opp whose roi is below 0. |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 8 you still don't have rakeback for fulltilt? I remember fryking wrote some
articles on this board about how to get it. you might want to check it out.
Rakeback adds up to lots of money over time.
by the way, my husng does not require skills. in super turbo, you just
shove/fold, not much chance for post flop play.
了1 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 One week ago, I rematch one guy, I lost 1000$ in one single session against
the same opponent. The game is 35$ buyin. I almost continually losing.
Occasionally, I can win one game, but after that winning 1 game, I can
another 5-6 games loss. This becomes a trend. Although, I admit I do not
play optimally at that session, but can not be that odd.
But, I think HUSNG is still one of the stablest games.
Usually the tilt is the largest enemy you can have.
tilt
HU
tilt |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 People including me goes tilt, and chases loss. I do not know whether you
have the same issue.
I played till 3PM after my 1k$ HUSNG loss. :< |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 11 he does. like he almost never play with Phil Golfond.
For HUSNG, game selection is NO1 factor for your long term sucess.
especially the ST structure. the edge between two skilled player are very
small, if you can beat the rake.
do |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 he does. like he almost never play with Phil Golfond.-----I guess he maybe
is the only person that Durrr do not play with.
For HUSNG, game selection is NO1 factor for your long term sucess.
especially the ST structure. the edge between two skilled player are very
small, if you can beat the rake. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 HUSNG can never be over, because it is player dependent. The player beats
500$ level, maybe is a fish in 1000$ level. That simple.
I am winner on 35$ level, maybe I can go up to 100NL and still be a winner.
But I am sure that I am a big fish on 200$ level.(Maybe I can break even
with 200$ level fish.) The skill factor get magnified in HU games.
I read one article, some ppl suggest to cancel HU Cash games, because it
kills fish too quickly.
http://my.pokernews.com/Urusee2001/intervista-ad-adonis-... 阅读全帖 |
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s*l
发帖数: 182 | 14 have some troubles facing mini blocking bet in superturbo husng, how will u
play if you have marginal hand or weak hand (maybe airball) ?
there r decent among times I have airball, but knowing my opponents have
weak hand on flop or turn, but it is hard to push them out, and I end up
folding many airballs. Is this a bad play? |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 我觉得在比较低得level 上，打sng BR 会增长得比较快，对BR 要求小。风险也小得
多。好多online pro, 向 durrrr , Phil Galfond, 都是打sng 把BR 打起来后，在打
cash game的。好像现在cash game 的环境也大不如前。
st husng 在husng.com 有几个免费的video, 在2p2 husng 版，有一个非常大的
thread. 关于st husng的。 有个德国的牛人，在ps 不到一年，只打st husng, 已经赢
了 700k. 以前在FTP时，我同他打过。 不过，st husng 如果rake 超过2%, 最好不要
打了。不太好beat. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16 I play HUSNG a lot ,but not much HU cash. But I agree HUSNG is so different
from HU cash. A HUSNG player may not be a great HU cash player, and HU cash
player may not play HUSNG well. It need way different skill and mind set.
I played some 100$ ST HUSNG with a HU cash pro with over 300k winning and I
feel have decent edge over him.
For HU cash , it is much deeper and pot control, position is more important.
But HU cash has not blind increase, so no need to adjust your play based on
stack/BB ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 I play HUSNG a lot ,but not much HU cash. But I agree HUSNG is so different
from HU cash. A HUSNG player may not be a great HU cash player, and HU cash
player may not play HUSNG well. It need way different skill and mind set.
I played some 100$ ST HUSNG with a HU cash pro with over 300k winning and I
feel have decent edge over him.
For HU cash , it is much deeper and pot control, position is more important.
But HU cash has not blind increase, so no need to adjust your play based on
stack/BB ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 18 yeah. I saw that graph on 2p2 HUSNG board. I read that board all the time .
I watched the final table which that russian donk won the tourney on Pokerstars TV. He was so loose and aggo and got so lucky. HUSNG is donk killer, unlike MTT, not that much luck factor.
Everybody has tilt control problem playing HUSNG. Like livb112 said, the
long term winner just tilt less than others. I play HUSNG for two years and
still tilt once a while. Just takes time/mental toughness to improve.
game... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 I seem lost focus in my HUSNG game after starting to play Rush. First
time have a losing month on HUSNG in my about 20 month HUSNG career. Getting
it back this month and hit a new career high in winning after the longest
flat curve in my SS. Game is still good and still tons of fishes there,
just need to stay focus and continue to improve my game and tilt/ego control
.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20 will do when i get chance. my biggest concern now is to improve my HUSNG game to a
new level. look at livb112 on sharkscope, already made 240k so far this
year on FTP alone playing HUSNG. He made another 100k on PS. Unlike cash
game, HUSNG is very steady. not much downswing as long as you are decent
thanks! |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 21 I had only played a few husng. I am not good at either husng or hu cash game
. tilt control problem.
by the way, did you know of this crazy russian guy, I7AXA, donking off his
jockpot? I was actually watching the $5k husng that Tuesday, and wondering
why this russian donk looked so fishy. so I search his screen name and found
that he just won sunday million, runner-up. I knew at that time he would be
broke within a week. It happened so much faster. it only took three days.
check out this 2+2 thr... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Merge for below EV issue, I think it is very normal, I would not choose to leave
a poker room just coz my result is below EV. :)
back to pre BF time, I once only use HM for cashgame. But once I checked
my HUSNG hand history(only a small part of it since I lost some HH), I found
that my real ROI of ST HUSNG for that part is only 2% and my EV adjusted
ROI is 6%. And this is over 5k ST HUSNG game, should be at least 50k hands.
I saw lot of similiar curve on 2p2 as well. It is just variance and you
h... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 By the way, I think super turbo deserves my attention. If average HUSNG(
noturbo) profit for me is 2.5$/game(, need 10 minutes to finish) , the turbo
HUSNG profit is 1.3$/game(, take me 3 minutes to finish).
I guess turbo game is more profitable. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 24 在FTP上打了2000多把110buy in HUSNG,觉得比较comfortable，所以到了cash game觉
得相对应的级别差不多是5/10. 现在发现HUSNG和cash最大区别在于一个是越打stack越
shallow，一个是越打stack越deep。每次自己都是被对手的几个bad beat弄得tilt，然
后pot没control好，没法lay down second best hand，结果输掉200bb+的pot。其实我
开始没想长期转战HU cash game.当时就是想多玩玩不同type的game，看看players的风
格和最佳策略随着game不同有什么变化，研究一下为什么会有这种变化，进而加深对
poker的理解。只是HU这东西太让人上瘾，ego和tilt。总是不服气，所以人家让我去10
/20，我就去了，绝对非理性。我不rich，30k loss对我已经非常非常多了，很伤心，
很郁闷：（。 不过HU像恶魔一样确实容易让人丧失理智，有一个中国player（
like0731@FTP)上周挑战fcf，打40/80，赢了20K。结果没过几天，好像就是前天吧，当
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 25 110 husng is definitely not equivalent of 5/10 hu cash, it's probably close
to 1/2 hu cash. And cash game vs husng is really different, your styles
fits the shorter stack size much better than deeper, and without enough
experience, you would have difficulty to judge how strong you can push a
hand when you are deep. You should play more lower stakes to gain
experience if you want to continue to play HU cash, and probably try not to
play anything deeper than 200bb. If the table gets that deep, ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 26 =7500. my ave stake is higher than 50 though.
Both rush and ST HUSNG have big swing. But swing in HU is more
managerble. I would say more skill involved in HUSNG, but playing HU is
much more stressful than Rush. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 27 For me , poker is more like a job than investment or business. I started
to play on FTP from April , 09. I deposited 50$ on FTP to test water after
reading that HU book. I turned 50$ into 1k after 1 week and made over 100k
profit before rakeback in HUSNG alone. Believe me or not, I do not think I
took much risk except at first level. I played 10$ game and I was planing to
make another deposit if I was broke. I think it is highly repeatable. I
have decent experience playing live poker before ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 28 After online poker is out of U.S , live poker will see a short term
boom for sure. Just hope that the improved economy( maybe BL's dealth lol)
can help to generate more fishes. I have a few friends here who only play
live and can make 10-20k/month consistantly. Last nite, I saw Johnny Chan
play 1.5k-3k mixed with Daniel and an unknow player at Aria. Have not seen
this kind of action for long time except when big tourney is going on.
But for lots of online pro, moving outside U.S is th... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 just so many rich guy love to gamble in HU, guess one-one is just so
much fun for them. plus all your weakness in poker can be enlarged and
exploited in HUSNG. On high stake HU, a lot of cash game pro and MTT pro who
are not good HU are considered fish. Before BF, I played with many 100 or
200 level HUSNG with MTT redline pro, doing fairly good. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 30 严重同意老大。
If you are not a Pro or do not intend to be a Pro, I do not suggest you
play too seriously. Playing for fun with non-serious money is great. Poker
is a great mind game, which can help you learn lots of things in life and
have fun same time.
Poker is kind of game/career that you really need to invest a lot of
time/engery to be proficient. I play HUSNG( plus some 2-4 Rush since later
last year) full time for 2 years , I met many HUSNG regs and become friends
with some o... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 31 to be honest with you , I did play lots of HUSNG match last two years.
It takes sometime for a very good cash player to adjust to HUSNG pace.
Even could take a very good HU cash pro to adjust sometime. |
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b*******e
发帖数: 81 | 32 大侠， 什么是pt3, hm, husng, hud？？ edge 又是啥意思？谢谢
打cash game 应该还是有pt3 或hm, 俺打husng不喜欢用hud. 更相信自己的分析。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 33 not at all. All my HUSNG game at FTP before BF are super turbo game since
they offer new Super turbuo structure(25BB, 2% rake). I made money much
faster in Super turbo than regular speed, with higher swing of course. My
roi drops from 10% at regular speed to 5% at super turbo, but average time/
game at Super is only 2.9 minutes. I have large enough sample(16k games) to
prove it as well. It is well worth it.
Right now(or 1 year pre BF), most money made from HUSNG are from
super/... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 34 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 没水了。 still lots of skill for 25BB structure. just fish got burned faster for
this game.
20 buyin is far from enough for hyper turbo husng. at least 50buyin for
small-middle stake. I prefer to have 80- 100 buyin at 100-200$ level and
150+buyin at 300+level. my roi is one of the best among regs at my level
back then, still experienced many 30+ buyin downswing. many top husng pro(
promordialaa, melanie weisnser) expereinced 60+ buyin downswing at 500$+
level playing hyper. still very profitable... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 35 lol. interesting to keep 2 extr keyboard and mouse :)
I have been playing HUSNG to make a living last two years. HUSNG could be
more tilting than HU cash since more gambling in late stage of the game. I
used to smash the pillow on the bed when getting sick bad beat, like AA lost
to A2 off.
that is one of the reason that I mostly play at Starbucks. you are forced
to behave yourself in public place and less chance to tilt.
After playing so many HU games, I still tilt once a while ,but not as... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 36 I almost forget it too. hehe but playing about 20 regular speed HUSNG as
we discussed before takes lot of time and engergy. it takes around 15-20
minutes for each game. I have been really busy recently.
maybe we can play 3 or 5 games in our MPT time, but I do not want to bet
real money on it with so much luck factor in 3 or 5 games since I offer the
3:1 odds. in 2p2 husng, there were a few such side bets, but they play
100 games.
maybe we can bet some baozi for fun. my 300weibi a... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 37 +1
indeed geat post! I have similar reason like you toward this board. some
sort of connection of being a chinese poker player and some sense of
community.
I am a HUSNG player and the major forum I visited before was 2p2 husng
board. I know some ppl there ,but never get a sense of connection or
community like I get here. It is also great to meet so many smart people who
have the same hobby as we do.
. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 38 he is considered one of the best husng player in the world. livb said he and
yev areb two of the very best husng player.
on
$2
finishing |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 39 哥们你这么说多少有点断章取义吧？ 我不得不拿出点证据来了。 这个是我在
mm 老师同版花某次抄架时提出来的，这要是活跃版上气氛，毕竟当时两个人在炒。当
时goes 也说just for fun. 而且我说的非常清楚，至少十个game, 并且上限是100$
real money(my 300$). 同goes的match, 我们说的轻轻楚楚，是约定好的21 个game,
而且是我们都有时间时在打。mm 老师一口咬叮是七场，并说我丢品。 我同他赌1000$
real money, 他马上变卦了。
这件事到此为止吧，我同goes 有时间会同goes 约定打的，我现在每天打好多
online 很stressful,有时过来灌灌水放松一下，不想为了100/300$ 华那末多时间和精
力。wsop 之后吧。
＂ http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/TexasHoldem/31213161_0_2.html
agree. I will lay 1:3 odds for anybody playing against me on this board, ... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 40 First of all, Galfond palyed HUSNG exclusive for quite a long time to build
majority of his roll, but I'm not sure what games he played on UB.
Secondly, there are definitely a lot of ways to avoid getting caught playing
HUSNG in a limit sample size as a super user.
Imagine if I could see your hold cards in a HUSUG, I wouldn't use that
information to fold to your normal value bet. I would play "normally" most
of the time, but only by doing three things I could easily crush you and you
wouldn't re... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 41 没有打MTT。现在全是HUSNG.low limit，不过ROI有25%。
准备过段时间转打cash HU. |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 42 up to 55/110 HUSNG there is still enough fish, altho the legislation
situation makes it more and more difficult for fish to deposit.
the variance in HU is actually small in SNG. you need a much smaller
bankroll compared to 6-max cash games, for the same dollar win rate.
and playing HU improves your game so much faster. you are constantly reading
, as opposed to 9-max games, where you sit there auto folding 12 tables and
bore urself to death. |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 43 I am going to try DC out. anyone had good/bad experience to share? any
other video sites worth looking at? I am switching to PLO, but am also very
interested in HUSNG and NL cash, all at small stake. |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 44 That's for cash game, in high level HUSNG 5% ROI will make you one of the
best players.(regular or turbe) but in super turbe no one beat the rake in
long term(incluide rakeback and fpps) |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 45 a friend of mine suck out by 2 outs (twice!) on the river against a fish in a 5600$ husng
, life is always tough, u r right |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 what? 5600$ HU SNG?
in a 5600$ husng |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 47 yeah, it was last weekend, he played a fish 5 5600$ husng on stars get 2:3,
cuz fish suck him out twice by less than 10% chance |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 48 yes, I'm sure.
FTP doug answered this in the last Q&A on 2+2
ironman metals' value also go down, but at least this no hit MGR.
the best change in this update for me is they changed the structure of the super turbo husng and lower the rake at the same time, now I'm pretty sure these games are beatable.
in those game directly. Are you sure it hits MGR as well? this sucks big
time. They not only fixed the
The positive side is that you can buy in more tournament with ftp than
before. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 49 yeah, he plays 5k buyin husng, sng.
the buyin is way higher. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 50 SNG HU ROI 24% at current pokeroom, albeit at low buyin.------ it is almost
impossible. Normally ppl have 3%-5% ROI, that is it.
I play a ton of HUSNG recently, I know that.
Suppose you play 20 games in one hour,
you win 11 games, lose 9 games. That is it.
I do not know how to calculate ROI, but I guess it should be 2 games(profit)
/ 20 games (investment) = 0.1 = 10%
99.999% ppl can not achieve that if the stake fits you.
Suppose you play 30 games, you win 16 games, lose 14 games.
ROI = 2 / 30 |
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