b*******g
发帖数: 6008 | 1 这个确实这样，我们这里深蓝州到目前为止只看到了1个hillary的牌子，偶尔有车贴，
有两个sanders的，往年obama的牌子可是到处都是，电台里面支持trump的听众也比往
年多，尤其是年龄大一点的人，包括女性，不过男的更多。今年主持人支持trump的更
少，很多人claim不投票，很有意思的事情。hilary是个liar基本上是美国人的共识，
要不然DNC上bill也不会专门描述另外的hilary给大家。 |
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A****y
发帖数: 2467 | 2 Then why do you think Obarma/Hilary's policy will decrease the deficit? In
Obarma's 7.5 years term, the deficit has been increased dramatically (This
is the fact).Why do you think the Obarma's 3rd term (similar policy) will
decrease the deficit all of a sudden?
To increase the cash flow, you can either increase the receipts and/or
decrease the disbursements. Hilary advocates to increase taxes, but her
policy will also increase expenditures dramatically (more welfare for
increasing the refugees f... 阅读全帖 |
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A****y
发帖数: 2467 | 3 Sorry that I don't know if you support her refugee policy but you obviously
anti-Trump. Right now, our choice is either Hilary or Trump. If you are anti
-Trump, I assumed that you think Hilary is a better candidate than Trump.
To be honest, national security is my top concern at this point. I don't
want to live in a country like France/Germany where terrorism becomes the
new norm. |
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 4 委员会：
Hilary, your progress is slow, tell me what you think are the major
obstacles, and what is your future plan to solve them. What's new in your
plan, as compared to Obama's, why do you think it will work better ? If you
think you will mostly use Obama's old methods, show me a summary of what he
has accomplished, show us the situation is on a right positive trajectory.
Trump, you proposed to use new material, what is that ? why that material is
effective, and why it is more effective than the ... 阅读全帖 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 5 实际MN不是摇摆州，10票应该是HILARY的。
按照这个分析，HILARY已经有272票了。 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 6 实际MN不是摇摆州，10票应该是HILARY的。
按照这个分析，HILARY已经有272票了。 |
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t******o
发帖数: 70 | 7 各大网站给出的赔率都是希老太领先，这些都是真金实银押注的，比光放嘴炮的要可信
的多。trump粉丝可能觉得趋势很明显，但那么多社会精英都倾向于hilary，难道他们
都被洗脑了？
而且人一旦有个先入为主的观点，所看到听到的都会为这个观点服务。虽然youtube，
twitter上都是trump占优势，但跟身边的白人聊天，大多还是倾向hilary多于trump。
我也是希望共和党获胜，但感觉目前民主党的优势还是巨大的。选举只有一个多月时间
， 这么短时间
要改变很多人的观念还是挺难的。
扪心自问，如果你们要bet all you have, 你会bet那边？ |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 9 美国就没有大救星这种人。
TRUMP理念实际和HILARY更相似。
才是共和党最恼火的。
HILARY是公开的自由派，TRUMP是隐藏的自由派。 |
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d********n
发帖数: 191 | 10 支持你。买买提喷子这么多，也确实和床铺一个路数，与什么政治立场无关。
：作为平时忙于工作生活，基本没工夫关心政治的小中产，我说一下我看这个辩论的感
受，我想跟我差不多的人应该不太少吧。
：我对政治没兴趣，对哪个总统能给带来更好的生活有些在乎，所以基本就打算看看辩
论来决定投谁。估计跟我一样的工作族不少。这个辩论也是今早youtube上拉片快进看的
：，主要看全了第一个议题和结尾几分钟，中间一些快进看的。
：看之前，我心里是倾向Trump的。因为这里读过几个为Trump正名的帖子，外加对
Hilary家庭实在印象不佳，可惜看完后我基本倾向Hilary，原因如下：
：1. Trump 提出的减税幅度太aggressive。能行吗？让人直接感觉他太crazy。而且减
税的受益者都是富人，相信他们能拿钱来制造更多就业？基于信任吗？玩笑？：）
：2. Trump 不公布个人税表：典型有钱生意人的毫毛不拔的嘴脸。
：3. Trump 竟然申请破产6次！：真是crazy之后可以不顾后果。
：4. Trump 抢话主持人太多次。太aggressive。再次坐实为利益不顾一切的商人形象。
：5. 最后... 阅读全帖 |
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a*********e
发帖数: 490 | 11 冷静两天之后，觉得Trump那些可能都不是大问题。Hilary的对待非法移民和穆斯林进
入的政策实在有些难以接受。而且Hilary手上恐怕还有人命，Trump比起来小小巫见大
巫。
有些倾向Trump了，但个人觉得他能否胜利也不容乐观。毕竟我原帖里提到的他给人的
直接观感实在不佳。
不交税makes him smart，作为基本很难逃税的w2，刚听到时候真的想吐。
这种转变很有各位给的信息的作用，不过说实话，你们不少Trump粉丝太疯狂，真的有
些像文化大革命的红卫兵，让人不禁更怀疑Trump的疯狂。 |
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A**H
发帖数: 4797 | 12 很高兴你冷静思考问题，给各方面的因素一个适合的权重，权衡两位候选人给我们带来
的利弊
谢谢
发信人: alabastrine (alabastrine), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 总统辩论：也许我能代表点儿沉默的大多数？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 30 23:12:11 2016, 美东)
冷静两天之后，觉得Trump那些可能都不是大问题。Hilary的对待非法移民和穆斯林进
入的政策实在有些难以接受。而且Hilary手上恐怕还有人命，Trump比起来小小巫见大
巫。
有些倾向Trump了，但个人觉得他能否胜利也不容乐观。毕竟我原帖里提到的他给人的
直接观感实在不佳。
不交税makes him smart，作为基本很难逃税的w2，刚听到时候真的想吐。
这种转变很有各位给的信息的作用，不过说实话，你们不少Trump粉丝太疯狂，真的有
些像文化大革命的红卫兵，让人不禁更怀疑Trump的疯狂。 |
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l**h
发帖数: 998 | 13 我也是中间派. 不过alabastrine说到文化大革命的红卫兵, 我倒觉得跟主流媒体和左
派比较接近 - 扣大帽子不许对方说话什么的。相反, 支持Trump的人基本都能说出自己
支持Trump是因为他的哪条哪条政策, 而不是很含混地说xx是个好人, xx是个女人, xx
讲话有风度有领袖魅力什么的.
川粉比希粉理性得多
发信人: alabastrine (alabastrine), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 总统辩论：也许我能代表点儿沉默的大多数？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 30 23:12:11 2016, 美东)
冷静两天之后，觉得Trump那些可能都不是大问题。Hilary的对待非法移民和穆斯林进
入的政策实在有些难以接受。而且Hilary手上恐怕还有人命，Trump比起来小小巫见大
巫。
有些倾向Trump了，但个人觉得他能否胜利也不容乐观。毕竟我原帖里提到的他给人的
直接观感实在不佳。
不交税makes him smart，作为基本很难逃税的w2，刚听到时候真的想吐。
这种转变很有各位给的信息的作用，不过说实话，你们不少Trump粉... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 14 发信人: zwang107 (Office Table), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: FoxNews歧视中国人的视频出来了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Oct 5 22:09:29 2016, 美东)
很多人认为这个视频不是种族歧视的原因是：
视频里不会讲英语的华人可能是支持hilary的 —— 我认为支持hilary本身确实可恶
——所以这个视频不算种族歧视。
同样的逻辑出现在民主党大会丑化亚裔视频当中；http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2016/07/27/5431516.html；很多民主党支持者认为这不是种族歧视，因为他们认为trump支持者很坏，所以嘲讽他们只是负责任的表演。
根源在于大选造成的华裔内部的分裂，已经大于反抗种族歧视的压力。 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 15 那些事情都过去了。
以后有没有新的事情出来。
支持HILARY的人显然不认为是问题。
反对HILARY的人没有那些问题也不会投她票。 |
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h*******n
发帖数: 8906 | 16 邮件门 班加西 Clinton foundation你觉得过去了选民可没觉得过去
另外谁能保证Wikileaks crucifer不继续爆料了
: 那些事情都过去了。
: 以后有没有新的事情出来。
: 支持HILARY的人显然不认为是问题。
: 反对HILARY的人没有那些问题也不会投她票。
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 17 民主的好处就是不会极端了。
各种极端的情况都不会发生了。
TRUMP和HILARY无论谁上台，美国还是这个样子。
大家没有必要那么担心了。
好像TRUMP和HILARY一旦上台，对于某些人就是人间地狱了。 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 18 Trump had a big mouth. But Hilary is a lair and a criminal. As a matter of
fact, she lied in front of the congress as well as in the FBI investigation.
As for me, I do not care about email server, or lie in front of congress.
But what she did in the middle east, millions of people died and lost
everything they had. ISIS and millions of more terrorist everywhere in the
world。
Hilary should be in jail for what she did in the middle east.
It
telling |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 19 Just made another donation after seeing your post. Alex, why we can't just
discuss the real issues, ISIS, Supreme Court, gay right, economy. I used to
be a registered democratic and I still thinks Bill is a good president with
all the scandals. I also do not care about Hilary's email server and lying
in front of congress. But Hilary was behind the wars at Lydia and Syria.
Did you see the power of the superpac and corporate money? I have never
seen the main stream media skewed like today in... 阅读全帖 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 20 Come on. I am in the suburb of a city (not sure how big but definitely out
of top 10). We have over one thousand Chinese parents at the Chinese schools
(it was only 100+ 15 years ago). Most of them are citizens with PHD or
master degrees and they will vote for TRUMP!
why we can't just discuss the real issues, ISIS, Supreme Court, gay right,
economy. I used to be a registered democratic and I still thinks Bill is a
good president with all the scandals. I also do not care about Hilary's
email ... 阅读全帖 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 21 不是拨乱反正。
而是利用白人男性的不满。
实际TRUMP得到两党没有文化的白人男性支持。
他可以成立新党，就叫白人党就是了。
HILARY现在原来的蓝州困难，就是很多民主党得白人反戈了。
现在HILARY需要共和党有文化的人来赢。
所以这次不是两党的竞争，是白人的反弹。 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 22 can't agree more 中产阶级最后的一博.
发信人: cincinnati (花不恋蝶), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: wikileaks 是希拉里团队放出来给的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 10 18:25:45 2016, 美东)
但是这次选举太特殊，根本不是普通的民主共和之争
所有主流媒体，加上党内建制大老，统统反对一个outsider
这是空前大概绝后的
对于Trump而言，大概是him and his supporters against the world
非常悲壮，类似中产阶级最后的一博
我还想说：
如果我在中国，我认为川普had no chance. There are so much corporate money
behind Hilary. It is like 100:1. 但是我们在美国，下一代很可能还在美国。We
can't give up!
Hilary = evil + shit, the fly does not lie! |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 23 这些事情都摆在桌面吧。
你说HILARY这些事情，美国老百姓显然知道。
就是这样，美国一些老百姓还是选择HILARY。
就是因为TRUMP的支持者太多极端种族主义者。 |
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n******g
发帖数: 2201 | 24 Lennon would have voted for Hilary if he lived to this day.
Hilary for 2016!
[在 bakk (油焖大house) 的大作中提到：]
:faint, 列侬的老婆咋就会这么嚎呢 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 25 对于WIKILEAK，吸引眼球更重要。
否则没有人关心他。
如果HILARY当选，WIKILEAK在公布，HILARY理都不需要理的。 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 26 就是LA的民调，也认为HILARY当选的52%对TRUMP的47%。
实际就是如果不考虑热情，还是支持HILARY的人多。就是热情度不够。 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 27 从外交角度，中国不希望HILARY上台。因为是HILARY开始的遏制中国的政策。
从经济角度，中国不希望TRUMP上台，TRUMP靠反对自由贸易上台。
如果真得搞反对自由贸易的政策，对于中美经济都会造成伤害。 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 28 Yes, ZERO!!!!!
All trump could spent are donations and his own money which he has already
spent more than one hundred million dollars. The majority of his wealth are
real state. He has been selling some of his real estates to fund his
campaign.
But it takes time. The money behind Hilary vs Trump are like 100:1.
That is all because Trump betray his elite class and the big money. But he
won million of supporters like us!
From today, I am going to call the republican state office at my lunch br... 阅读全帖 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 29 Republican party has spent zero dollars for Trump's campaign.
Yes, ZERO!!!!!
All trump could spent are donations and his own money which he have already
spent more than one hundred million dollars. The majority of his wealth are
real state. He is selling some of his real estates to fund his campaign.
But it takes time. The money behind Hilary vs Trump are like 100:1.
Trump betrayed his elite class and the big money. But he won million of
supporters like us!
From today, I am going to call the... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 30 好。共和裆阳奉阴违，迄今为止对川普的竞选活动是不仅一分钱都没出，还天天在背后
捅刀子。打爆它们各州总部的电话，告诉他们人民觉醒了，没有人会选他们再上台执政
的，除非它们立刻痛改前非，悬崖勒马！
Republican party has spent 0 dollars for Trump's campaign
Yes, ZERO!!!!!
All trump could spent are donations and his own money which he have already
spent more than one hundred million dollars. The majority of his wealth are
real state. He is selling some of his real estates to fund his campaign.
But it takes time. The money behind Hilary vs Trump are like 100:1.
That is all because Trump betray hi... 阅读全帖 |
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a***r
发帖数: 594 | 31 I just can't understand it.
1. When Obama and Hilary Clinton came into power, they gave Russia the
infamous "reset button".
2. When Romney said Russia is one of US greatest geopolitical foe, Obama
mocked him during the presidential debate that "1980s called and want its
foreign policy back".
3. It was Obama who was caught on a hot mic to say that he d have more
flexibility after his re-election.
4. When Putin invaded Ukraine, it was the Obama administration who refused
to give Ukraine military a... 阅读全帖 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 32 那就是他太夸张，HILARY上台他们就活不下去。
我支持HILARY，但是也没有认为TRUMP上台，我就活不下去啊。 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 33 It is time for my lunch call:). Trust me, it will be a very pleasant call.
Normally a lady with a very nice voice will answer the call at the party
office. Part of her job is to not let the caller upset. Believe me, it
will be a a very pleasant call
Republican party has spent zero dollars in TV Ads for Trump's campaign.
Yes, ZERO!!!!!
All trump could spent are donations and his own money which he have already
spent more than one hundred million dollars. The majority of his wealth are
real s... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****u
发帖数: 1090 | 34 这几个月我出差去了Arizona, Nevada, Utah, Oregon. 我从来没看见支持Hilary 的牌
子，支持trump的牌子倒不少。怎么媒体的poll 都是Hilary 大赢呢？ |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 35 Agreed. There are so many cases Hilary could be knocked out today. If it
was Hanity or even Limbaugh， Hilary would be done tonight. 不过大家都看出
来川总有点小骄傲但确实是个实在人。
川总对妇女问题·准备不够充分，讲一个过去尊重帮助妇女的例子就行了。川总大意了.
不过我个人也觉得女的不能从事政治，太感情用事。
不过还是川总小胜的局面。还说得过去了。 就是可惜那么多好机会没抓住。
foundation |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 36 HILARY上台就会延续OBAMA的政策了。
实际这次选举，就是对OBAMA8年政策的考核。
如果人们选举HILARY，就是对OBAMA这8年，还是满意的。 |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 37 但是人们还是根据自己口袋选举了。
如果OBAMA做得不好，人们自然不会投票给HILARY。
OBAMA自己也不好意思出来替HILARY竞选。
is |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 38 实际第三场，议题是他的强项。
他主张改革，完全应该提出自己的想法，
而没有必要偏离主题，去攻击HILARY个人。
而HILARY则尽量避免主题，攻击TRUMP个人。
两个人都跑题。 |
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发帖数: 1 | 39 你是作弊么？哇塞，这个论坛说话认清作弊都等大事哦～
：实际第三场，议题是他的强项。
：他主张改革，完全应该提出自己的想法，
：而没有必要偏离主题，去攻击HILARY个人。
：而HILARY则尽量避免主题，攻击TRUMP个人。
：两个人都跑题。 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 40 Lol. So true. But I would be 90% percent sure there would be AA in the
amnesty if Hilary won. It would probably take 20 years before Oldguy, etc.
could see their green card. It won't take eight years before Hilary destroy
"Law and Order" in the inner. I really doubt he could see his GC alive. |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 41 People who supporting Sanders are good people. The criminal Hilary are so
corrupted and only serves for the special interest of the richest elite.
Any of the Sanders supporters, as long as they know what Hilary have done,
will never vote for her. |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 42 if there is anything in 维基解密 are not real. Hilary and MSM would jump on
all over the place and 维基解密 would lost credit.
Those are 100% percent real.
Lost of people have even died for revealing the truth. Google Seth Rich.
Trillions of dollars could buy out the main stream media.
Trillions of dollars could buy the soul or corrupted Hilary.
Trillions of dollars could make people kill people.
But at the end of our journey, the evil people will die in excruciating pain
with fear, the good people ... 阅读全帖 |
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r*********8
发帖数: 180 | 43 I'm in mid-west (a blue state).
Yes, there are some Chinese with high salary supporting Hilary.
Not sure how you define 高薪. My experience is that among Chinese with
Master Degree or above, most of them will support Trump for sure (the data
base is based on my colleagues and my friends including wechat network).
However, so far, I found three are supporting Hilary (one is mentioned in
one of my previous post, and the other two are my friends - one is even a
manager). |
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 44 不是超冷，而是美国人有政治敏感性。
这次选举和以往不同，人们很可能暴力的。
所有尽量不让人知道，自己的想法是什么。
华人显然没有经历过选举暴力。
就是你居住在红州，还是有很多民主党的铁杆。
如果HILARY输了，大家如果知道你是TRUMP的支持者，可能对你个人暴力。
对于HILARY的支持者也是一样，如果TRUMP输了，他们也可能暴力。 |
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h**********n
发帖数: 897 | 45 是否支持川普绝对是一个智商、节操和格局的试金石
（上纲上线一直是左派的拿手好戏）
今天在朋友圈看了一篇阐述为什么很多华人支持川普的文章。看了以后沉思良久。好吧
，在美的华裔确实受了民主党很多委屈，
（ldy你到今天才发现么？只能说你信息太不灵通了，不知道在民主党创造的美梦里迷失
了多久）
然而为什么有人就天真地觉得川普就能保护华裔呢？他今天能歧视穆斯林明天就能歧视
华裔不是吗？今天他禁止穆斯林入境明天就能禁止Chinese入境不是吗？
（是啊没错，trump上台后是”很可能“秉承白人至上歧视华裔，但Hilary的民主党**
已经**
歧视华裔歧视8年了，搞AA搞了8年了，一个是“很可能”一个是“已经”你分不出区别
吗？）
很多留学生在政治上其实还是很幼稚的。我的理解是毕竟他们大多数人是理科生，没有
认真学习过美国宪法，不能真正理解美式价值观到底是什么。留学生里面五毛和粉红派
并不在少数。我个人觉得这就是华裔在政治上成不了气候的原因，因为具有独立思考能
力和较高人文素养、能理解美式价值观而且英文好的太少了，就算有意参政也根本不是
那些美式法学院精英的对手。
（连篇废话，另外支持trump... 阅读全帖 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 47 Ask Hilary's aid then.
Completely opposite to Trump, Hilary has a very bad eye for people.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/USANews/32388947.html
原文是一位老美写的，翻译者：“十年忽悠”）
How quickly we forget! If you’re over 35, take a walk with me down memory
lane—you won’t believe what you have forgotten. If you’re under 35, read
on—I promise you that you will be amazed at what you missed! (By the way,
sadly, this isn’t a joke. I wish it was.)
大意：人啊，太容易忘事了。如果你35岁以上，让我们一起来回顾历史；如果你35岁以
下，请读完这篇文章，我向你保证，你一定会大吃一惊，竟然错过... 阅读全帖 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 48 American democracy would become a joke if Hilary were free of charge.
Then people would say, the law is only for us normal people, not for Hilary.
A lot of people, including African Americans were making this point.
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发帖数: 1 | 49 没人说要支持hilary，只是劝你们别太出头挺trump把自己搞得一身腥。
这个世界，不是非白既黑，ok？不喜欢trump，并不代表就支持hilary。
你看看caft被媒体嘲笑了，你们trump daddy出来帮你们说话了吗？你们捐过这么多钱
，trump可曾说过chinese什么好话？就他那样，你们还支持？
唉，算了，就你们这智商，说几遍你们都不会理解。 |
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w****h
发帖数: 1344 | 50 American democracy would become a joke if Hilary were free of charge.
Then people would say, the law is only for us normal people, not for Hilary.
A lot of people, including African Americans were making this point. |
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