n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: nile (nile), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 美国科学促进会《科学》大旗下的转基因谎言
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Oct 30 10:18:45 2015, 美东)
今年初，美国科学促进会（AAAS）和皮尤研究中心（Pew Research Center）联合公布
的一项调查显示，88％的科学家认为转基因食品可安全食用，持这一看法的公众只有37
％。报告认为差距如此之大的一个可能原因是，三分之二的公众认为科学家对转基因食
品的健康后果没有清晰认识。这就是真正的原因吗？
根据报告全文，皮尤中心给19，984名科学家发出了调查问卷，3748人（18.8%）完成了
问卷调查。其中生物医学学科背景的科学家占50%。报告没有说明50%的生物医学背景是
否能够代表科学家总体的学科构成。更大问题是在这50%的科学家人群中，有多少人的
工作是与转基因作物的研究有关，以什么样的方式相关。报告没有提供任何信息。
由于这些关键信息缺失，88%的科学家相信转基因安全的说法毫无意义。在一个没有代
表性并且无法排除... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1544 | 2 我的原帖很具体，就是曝光这几个人，而不是对农业工作人员的人身攻击。有理性的人
包括我自己不会因为这几个人而减少对农业工作人员的敬意。事实上，正如你说的，爆
出来的那些缺陷什么的结果，是学生物学农业的人做出来
关于小麦herbicide resistant转基因2002年就搞出来了，但是没有在美国推广。
http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/grocery_shopping/crops/22.geneti
In 2002, Monsanto, the world's leading agro-biotech enterprise, submitted an
application to the United States and Canada for the approval of an
herbicide resistant, genetically modified wheat cultivar. Two years later,
Monsanto withdrew its application.
中国没有自主转基因，你清楚吗？我看到的转基因最基本核心技术专... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 23737 | 3 转基因农田超级野草崛起，美国农民焦头烂额
森·哈姆林是一名拥有相关证书的作物顾问和农学家，他正在田纳西的戴尔斯堡寻找对
草甘膦产生抗性的杂草。艾迪·安德森正往他的地里追加喷洒灭草剂，以对抗那些对草
甘膦产生抗性的杂草。安德森先生有着大约3，000公顷大豆田，他正在对付那些有害的
长芒苋。
在至少22个州立十种产生抗性的杂草感染了上百万公顷的土地。艾迪·安德森是田纳西
州戴尔斯堡的一名农民。15年来他一直是免耕农业坚定的拥护者。免耕农业是一种环境
友好技术，几乎排除了耕作导致的水土流失以及肥料和杀虫剂造成的有害残留。
但今年情况不一样了。“农达”（Roundup）是孟山都公司原创的拳头产品，但现在也
有其他公司用它的属名“草甘膦”来进行销售，这东西对于农民来说，曾一度几乎算得
上是种奇迹化学品。它有着广谱的除草功能，使用起来简单安全，降解迅速，减轻了对
环境的影响。
然而，美国农民们对却没想到，那种产生奇迹的化学品除草剂“农达”的广泛使用，却
导致了抗农达杂草在美国各地的传播。从2000年开始至少十种抗农达杂草已经在22个州
里感染里上百万公顷的耕地。最近一个下午，安德森先生看着拖拉机们... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 518 | 6 https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/opinion/sunday/with-gmo-policies-europe-
turns-against-science.html
With G.M.O. Policies, Europe Turns Against Science
By MARK LYNASOCT. 24, 2015
A cornfield near Roquettes, France, after hundreds of activists uprooted
genetically modified plants to replace them with organic ones in May 2014.
Credit Pascal Pavani/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
CALL it the “Coalition of the Ignorant.” By the first week of October, 17
European countries — including Austria, ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 518 | 7 这段：Monsanto invented the herbicide glyphosate and brought it to market
under
the trade name Roundup in 1974, after DDT was banned. But it wasn’t until
the late 1990s that the use of Roundup surged, thanks to Monsanto's
ingenious marketing strategy. The strategy? Genetically engineer seeds to
grow food crops that could tolerate high doses of Roundup. With the
introduction of these new GE seeds, farmers could now easily control weeds
on their corn, soy, cotton, canola, sugar beets and alfalfa crop... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 26222 | 9 方舟子在此文中说“虫子不吃的， 人能吃吗”是中国人的质疑， 而美国人是不会问这
样的问题的， 这显然是骗人的。见下文和其中引用的文献， 其中不少是美国人的科研
。
"Comments on the human health impact of Bacillus thuringiensis toxin gene
product in genetically modified crops"
EPA Review Docket Number OPP-00678B
Professor Joe Cummins
Professor Emeritus of Genetics
University of Western Ontario
I have studied the Environment Protection Agency (EPA) document "Bt Plant-
Pesticides Biopesticides Registration Action Document B. HUMAN HEALTH
ASSESSMENT" and comment in the following ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3698 | 10 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21338670
我上面转的这个文章2011年5月发表于Reproductive Toxicology，
是第一篇关于杀虫剂改基因植物的毒性文章，发表1个多月就有3个引用。
引发了很多同行讨论，这个说明就是欧美专业人士也不是很清楚改基因食物的毒性。
Dear Friends and colleagues,
RE: Maternal and Fetal Exposure to Pesticides Associated with GM Foods
An article in press in Reproductive Toxicology is the first to highlight the
presence of pesticides associated with foods genetically engineered to
tolerate various herbicides and insecticides in pregnant and non-pregnant
women. The study i... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 30882 | 11 转基因后院起火，孟山都表现异常。
直言了，2011-12-02 | 2011-12-03 14:20:55。
http://zhiyanle.blog.hexun.com/70920759_d.html 。
前阵子，法国最高法院宣判法国农业部关于严管或禁止转基因玉米种植的规定是“违反
欧盟相关规定”的。就此消息，转基因化工公司十分欢喜，挺转派则更是跃试欢腾。可
是，法国农业部官员表示，将收集更多证据支持关于严管或禁止转基因玉米种植的规定
；而欧盟则已通过法案，是否种植由各成员国自己决定，即所谓“违反欧盟规定”之规
定，已成为过时规定了。
更值得注意的是，差不多当时而至今，转基因的“后院”美国，发生了一系列“起火”
事件，进一步宣告转基因神话彻底破产。
据路透社08月31日报道，美国联邦机构地质部门（USGS）长期跟踪调查发现，在美国集
中种植转基因作物的农业区域（大约四个州范围）之河流水系和空气中，都发现足够大
量的草甘磷转基因农药成分的严重污染。--- 那说明，短期内可能不显示，而长期种植
则发生转基因农药成分释放累计而造成生态系统和国土农田的严重危害。
美国地质部门（USGS）长期... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 575 | 16 德法科学家：转基因Bt毒素、微量草甘膦危害人类细胞发育
(2012-02-18 21:23:01)
转载▼
标签：
孟山都
转基因玉米
bt毒素
转基因大豆
草甘膦残留
危害健康
细胞发育
分类： 批判转基因技术
参加该项实验研究的科学家表示：“我们对我们的发现感到非常惊讶。到目前为止
，人们一直以为Bt蛋白几乎不可能对人类细胞有毒性作用。现在，必须组织进一步的调
查，以便发现这些毒素如何影响细胞，以及是否应当对这些毒素与食品和饲料供应链中
其他成分的综合作用予以考虑，…作为结论，这些实验表明Bt毒素以及草甘膦除草剂的
风险被低估”。 德国、法国、匈牙利科学家 2012年2月15日在《应用毒理学》杂志联
合发表论文揭露：孟山都转基因Bt玉米产生的Bt毒素，以及孟山都抗草甘膦转基因大豆
的有毒草甘膦残留，即便极其微量，显著影响人类细胞发育能力。依据转基因生产这种
转基因作物的孟山都这样公司的说法，这些毒素原本仅对特定的害虫有活性而对哺乳动
物与人类应当没有任何作用。依据这种看法，无论在欧洲，或者在任何其他地区，这种
转基因作物进行安全评估时，不要求对Bt毒素对于人类细胞的... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6568 | 17 you CAN, but you may not PREFER to.
tap water safety standard mainly concerns the bacteria level--in developed
countries and many developing countries, you are not likely to get diarrhia
and other enterobacterial infections from drinking tap water directly.
Therefore it is "safe".
However, the water treatment procedure, requirement, does not do anyting to
get rid of many other contaminants. For example, there are high levels of
female hormone in many US cities tap water--see this report on Natio... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 445 | 18 三哥v5，链接
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2013/feb/16/india-
Sumant Kumar was overjoyed when he harvested his rice last year. There had
been good rains in his village of Darveshpura in north-east India and he
knew he could improve on the four or five tonnes per hectare that he usually
managed. But every stalk he cut on his paddy field near the bank of the
Sakri river seemed to weigh heavier than usual, every grain of rice was
bigger and when his crop was weighed on the old village sca... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 403 | 19 剔除草地的杂草比剪草更花时间. 选择性的杀杂草剂 selective weed killer (
herbicide)是会引发癌症的. |
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发帖数: 3339 | 20 Séralini GE, Clair E, Mesnage R, Gress S, Defarge N, Malatesta M, Hennequin
D, de Vendômois JS. Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a
Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize. Food Chem Toxicol. 2012 Nov;50(
11):4221-31. doi: 10.1016/j.fct.2012.08.005. Epub 2012 Sep 19. PubMed PMID:
22999595. |
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发帖数: 7039 | 21 Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically
modified maize
Food and Chemical Toxicology
Volume 50, Issue 11, November 2012, Pages 4221–4231
Abstract
The health effects of a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize (from 11
% in the diet), cultivated with or without Roundup, and Roundup alone (from
0.1 ppb in water), were studied 2 years in rats. In females, all treated
groups died 2–3 times more than controls, and more rapidly. This difference
was vis- ible in... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 334 | 22 The vast majority of soy at your local market is not a health food. The
exception is fermented soy, which I'll explain more about later and even
worse GMO soy that is contaminated with large pesticide residues as the
reason it is GMO is so they can spray the potent toxic herbicide Roundup on
them to improve crop production by killing the weeds.
Unlike the Asian culture, where people eat small amounts of whole non-GMO
soybean products, western food processors separate the soybean into two
golden ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4736 | 23 http://rt.com/usa/new-mexico-gmo-food-580/
After defeat in California, New Mexico takes on Monsanto and GMO producers
A lawmaker in New Mexico wants to make it mandatory for genetically modified
foods to be properly labeled in supermarkets across the state. Given the
last attempt, though, it’s likely to be an uphill battle.
State Senator Peter Wirth (D-Santa Fe) has proposed an amendment that won’t
be brought into debate until next year, but he hopes it will be approved so
shoppers can be sure o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7039 | 24 虽然科学届不乏邪恶势力对作者进行打压， 但实验结果无可辩驳得指出转基因玉米诱
发长期致癌畸变效应。
Gilles-Eric Séralini, Emilie Clair, Robin Mesnage, Steeve Gress, Nicolas
Defarge, Manuela Malatesta, Didier Hennequin, Joël Spiroux de Vendô
;mois
Long term toxicity of a Roundup herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically
modified maize
Food and Chemical Toxicology, Volume 50, Issue 11, November 2012, Pages 4221
-4231
It is noteworthy that the first two male rats that died in both GM treated
groups had to be euthanized due to kidney Wi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7039 | 25 看了基本上所有的讨伐转基因玉米诱导癌变的评论，大部分都比较粗浅，不具有科学价
值和说服力。
下面这片比较客观， 就像作者所说的，对此课题比较熟悉。 认为作者有新的发现，
统计方法有效，实验结果具有价值。
Jack A. Heinemann
Centre for Integrated Research in Biosafety, School of Biologial Sciences,
University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand
Food and chemical toxicology, Volume 53, March 2013, Pages 442
Dear Editor
I have carefully read the paper entitled “Long term toxicity of a Roundup
herbicide and a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize”. I am very
familiar with historical public... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1371 | 26 这个，我先问你两个简单问题吧，你知道什么是Roundup吗？有用过它没有？
Herbicide resistant corns，然后请帮忙翻译下前面这个词？ |
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发帖数: 3778 | 27 要是有roundup ready的turf grass种就好了，对付杂草容易太多太多了！
Herbicide |
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发帖数: 30882 | 28 中国销毁了三批进口美国转基因玉米
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Could the global tide in support of GMOs be turning? Anew report reveals
that the formerly pro-GMO Chinese government, one of the largestconsumers of
GMO food crops in the world, is beginning to crack down on GM cornshipments
from the US that have not followed appropriate biosafety regulations.
全球支持转基因作物的大潮正在调转潮头吗？据最新消息披露，全球最大转基因作物消
费国之一，此前对转基因作物持支持立场的中国政... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 14281 | 29 就知道你是无知，和崔永元一样。自己看去：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_food
一点点节选：
Corn used for food has been genetically modified to be resistant to various
herbicides and to express a protein from Bacillus thuringiensis that kills
certain insects.[26] About 90% of the corn grown in the US has been
genetically modified.[27]
Milled soy products[edit]About 90% of the planted area of soybeans in the US
are genetically modified varieties.
Vegetable oil[edit]Most vegetable oil used in the US is pro... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 27354 | 30 http://rt.com/news/monsanto-roundup-kidney-disease-921/
Monsanto's Roundup may be linked to fatal kidney disease, new study suggests
Published time: February 27, 2014 01:20 Get short URL
A heretofore inexplicable fatal, chronic kidney disease that has affected
poor farming regions around the globe may be linked to the use of
biochemical giant Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide in areas with hard water, a
new study has found.
The new study was published in the International Journal of Environmental
Res... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 31 Lobbyist claims Monsanto weed killer is safe to drink, then bolts when TV
host offers him a glass
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/lobbyist-claims-monsanto-wee
controversial lobbyist who claimed that the chemical in Monsanto’s Roundup
weed killer was safe for humans refused to drink his own words when a French
television journalist offered him a glass.
In a preview of an upcoming documentary on French TV, Dr. Patrick Moore
tells a Canal+ interviewer that glyphosate, the active ingredient in Ro... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 27354 | 32 The committee found that in many locations some weeds had evolved resistance
to glyphosate, the herbicide to which most GE crops were engineered to be
resistant. Resistance evolution in weeds could be delayed by the use of
integrated weed-management approaches, especially in cropping systems and
regions where weeds have not yet been exposed to continuous glyphosate
applications. However, the committee recommended further research to
determine better approaches for management of resistance in wee... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 22064 | 33 2017-06-30 Most资讯微信号Mostzixun
功能介绍
Most资讯，绝对精彩!
作者：曹明华（旅美华人、生物学家）
一、揭露真相的选择
2013年，我第一次见到崔永元，他当时赴美拍纪录片。
我见到他时，他刚下飞机，接待人员安排了一个挺气派的餐厅就餐。那之后，吃饭都是
简简单单，他挺疲劳的，也没什么胃口， 大家也就跟着他一起吃面条或者简单的饭菜。
在这之前，我对他印象不深，因为没有机会看中文电视， 所以我一次都没有看过小崔
的电视节目。唯一的一次交集是，1999年，我的好朋友是崔永元第一本书《实话实说的
实话》的责任编辑，崔永元来新落成的上海书城签名售书，我正好也被邀请回国在书城
签名售书《世纪末，在美国》，责任编辑的她就送了一本小崔的签名书给我，又送了一
本我的签名书给小崔。
第二天午饭后，他站在外面抽烟，我走出去跟他聊天，我们聊到方舟子和肖传国，还有
转基因的一些事…… 他忽然显得思维有些跳跃，“我的公益基金会是普华永道审计的
，不怕他们查，”我的思路有点跟不上他……“这几天在美国，我还不太担心，在国内
，要给你弄个车祸什么的很容易的……”
直到第四天晚饭的时候， ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 14281 | 35 Where paraquat is found and how it is used
Paraquat was first produced for commercial purposes in 1961.
Worldwide, paraquat is still one of the most commonly used herbicides.
In the United States, due to its toxicity, paraquat is available for use
only by commercially licensed users. |
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发帖数: 518 | 36 Health & Wellness
Mail
Letter from dead EPA scientist Marion Copley reveals Monsanto's bribes to
hide scientific evidence of glyphosate causing cancer
Erin Elizabeth
Health Nut News
Fri, 31 Mar 2017 17:24 UTC
Monsanto
The Environmental Protection Agency has been involved in a number of
controversies over the years, such as the Gold King Mine spill or their
silence on the use of fracking wastewater on farmland. Now, the federal
agency is under fire for their collusion with one of the world's most... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4637 | 37 https://www.wsj.com/articles/round-up-the-usual-lawyers-1534375738
Round Up the Usual Lawyers
Attorneys relied on junk science to win $289.2 million in damages.
Plaintiff Dewayne Johnson reacts after hearing the verdict in his case
against Monsanto at the Superior Court of California in San Francisco, Aug.
10.
By The Editorial Board
Aug. 15, 2018 7:28 p.m. ET
The world’s most widely used herbicide isn’t carcinogenic, but it’s now a
corporate toxin. On Friday a California jury ordered Monsanto to... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 38 既然你只看结论,不看他们怎么得出结论（把致癌的研究排除）。
那你看看这片综述的结论：
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24762670
在联邦法庭上作证的有NIH National Toxicology Program 专家C. William Jameson,
Ph.D
“To a reasonable degree of scientific certainly,” it’s clear that
glyphosate and glyphosate-based herbicides likely cause cancer in humans,
particularly non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL), at real-world exposures including
the levels farmworkers and others face when using the weedkiller.”
NIH的专家是layman吗？欧洲科学家是layman吗？
显然你说的layman法庭导致错误判决是不成立的，
法庭lay... 阅读全帖 |
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n****G
发帖数: 1191 | 40 死给快去问你的男盆友，不要随便出来丢人
There is no genetically modified (GM, also called genetically engineered)
wheat approved, grown or eaten anywhere in the world. It has never been sold
on the market. (The Canadian government lists six wheat herbicide-tolerant
wheat varieties as approved “Plants with Novel Traits” but these are not
the product of genetic engineering, these wheat varieties were created using
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发帖数: 6973 | 41 High-Tech Harvest | Genetically Modified Crops Are Growing Up. Wall Street
Journal, Sept.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703384204575510561292390660.html
("In the US, corn and soybeans are engineered to be herbicide-tolerant")
My comment: Click the icon in the left. Coming on the heels of genetically
modified salmon under consideration by FDA, the vignette has nothing to do
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 42 High Court Rules for Monsanto in Seed Patent Case
By BRENT KENDALL And JESS BRAVIN
WASHINGTON—The U.S. Supreme Court ruled Monday that Monsanto Co. MON -1.19%
can use its patents to prevent farmers from planting later generations of
genetically engineered seeds without paying for them.
Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds render crops resistant to weed killer and are
planted on much of the nation's farm acreage. But unlike many inventions,
Monsanto's patented biotechnology is self-replicating, prompti... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 43 World's First Robot-Run Lettuce Farm to Produce 30,000 Heads Daily; Tipping
Point for Workerless Agriculture
updated on Fri Jan 29, 2016 07:20
Future of Farming
The future of farming has arrived. It's vertical, soilless, and run by
robots.
Tech Insider reports World's First Robot-run farm will harvest 30,000 heads
of lettuce daily.
The Japanese lettuce production company Spread believes the farmers of
the future will be robots.
So much so that Spread is creating the world's first farm m... 阅读全帖 |
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g*******2
发帖数: 3306 | 44 这个oil，用得是转基因的油菜.Genetically modified canola which is tolerant to
herbicide was first introduced to Canada in 1995. Today 80% of the acres
sown are genetically modified canola. |
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发帖数: 693 | 45 嗯。。。最后还是扔了@@。。。laura说他们不是organic，没有用pesticide，但是有
用herbicide, 不过感觉确实很新鲜。 |
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t*****e
发帖数: 15794 | 46 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3477659/#!po=8.2317
谢谢文献，
还没完全读完，
先上下关于结论部分，
Honey is a natural product that is widely used for both nutritional and
medicinal purposes. Honey like other foods is prone to various types of
contaminations and adulterations. Markets are full of unlabeled and
adulterated honeys. Microbial and nonmicrobial contaminants which include
pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics, or heavy metals have been reported in
various honey samples all over the world. Therefor... 阅读全帖 |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 47 Roundup is the brand name of a systemic, broad-spectrum herbicide produced
by the U.S. company Monsanto, and contains the active ingredient glyphosate.
The Roundup trademark is registered with the US Patent Office and still
extant. However, glyphosate is no longer under patent, so similar products
use it as an active ingredient.
So you can buy cheaply made chinese glyphosate based products and have the
same effect.
Spray the whole yard first, while will kill almost everything. In a few
weeks, mo |
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h*d
发帖数: 19309 | 48 Roundup commercial formulations were never submitted to test by the United
States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA); its main active
ingredient, glyphosate, received EPA Toxicity Class of III for oral and
inhalation exposure.[9]
Beyond the glyphosate salts content, commercial formulations of Roundup
contain surfactants, which vary in nature and concentration. As a result,
human poisoning with this herbicide is not with the main active ingredient
alone, but with complex and variable mi |
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w******y
发帖数: 309 | 49 The lawn weed, crabgrass (Digitaria spp) is a warm-season annual weed, which
means it reproduces by seed. People often ask me how to kill crabgrass. The
short answer: applying preemergent herbicides at the right time is the best
way to kill crabgrass.看了一下网站，说他是annual的，今年不管了，等明天春天做
好预防工作吧。太难除了，现在。
root won't die, and very hard to kill |
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n*****s
发帖数: 10232 | 50 preemergent herbicides是指啥？
which
The
best
天做 |
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