f*****u
发帖数: 567 | 1 Simple, he is not so confident so he does not want to take the risk, as the
result showed in the end. I had a similar experience in live table, the guy
showed me QQ in his hand and wants me to fold, but I got a striaght with
flop already.....
He |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 2 It is hard to say. If both Villain and I play by the book, he has to have
two pairs plus. Because of my style, some villains could counter with more
aggression than they normally do and/or overplay his hand strength. That is
why it is harder for me to fold a good hand.
For this hand, I was a little surprised that he has KJ. There are villains
who could call me down three streets to all in with KJ, but check raise and
then bet to all in usually come from AJ not KJ. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 3 这个得看board了，你这手我觉得river能走掉的，2pair太多了。
另外同意qing兄说的，3bet/fold flop会让日子好过很多，bet/call的话turn上是一个
很头疼的地方，人拿着TPTK/TPGK+还是在air 2 barrel你没法确定，这导致river出现
scare card的时候你更头疼，因为不确定是3barrel还是made 2pair+ |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 4 看来大家看法一致,下次记住了要3bet/fold flop. :-) |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 5 你们理解错我意思了，我是说要么3bet flop,要么call flop, shove turn on brick.
一旦flop 3bet了，我100%不会fold to shove的。当然我说的是NL600，NL200如何打我
不熟悉。 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 6 3bet flop，对面4bet shove回来都不用想的么？显然不能fold给第一个raise这个没问题 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 7 所以我说flop 3bet and call shove,或者flop call, turn raise shove on brick 比
较好。
fold
了? |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 8 AA KK QQ flat call in bb vs UTG open 在nl600里并不少见,因为3bet显得太强,很多
时候别人就fold了,不能maximize profit. 选择这种打法的,Postflop会有很多选择和
tough decision,需要不错的postflop技术, 各有利弊吧。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 9 AA 我可以理解，KK或者QQ这么搞，heads up也make sense。但如果象这样3way，out
of position,flop出来个A那不就只有check fold了？ |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 10 没错，不过check fold也没什么，输3个BB而已，但有时候可能会赢的很大。 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 11 有position，flop我估计也是call
turn我会overbet shove。如果对方有顺子，river我也fold不了top set。如果对方是
两对或者小set，估计turn上仍旧会call |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 12 除非有很好的read，否则fold flop难以想象 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 13 I would fold on turn reraise. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 14 我也觉得turn上我就已经不行了.
但问题是如果这种board上 AA都bet/fold, 那turn是不是都不应该bet, 可这又实在是
太weak了吧. 超深筹都是这么玩的么? 那应该很适合bluff,就是variance大一点. 我对
深筹玩法真是没有什么概念. |
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l*******r
发帖数: 328 | 15 it's should be a fold on the river. straight draw or flush draw all made it. |
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l*******r
发帖数: 328 | 16 the raise on the turn is weak. it looks more like top pair with draw, but
still depending on the player's betting pattern.
If river is blank, I would bet and fold to reraise. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 17 "3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way"
Even though I called all the way, I was very hesitant. A big reason that I
called was that he may be in a missed flush draw.
"4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?"
He could be on a A high flush draw or hit two pairs with A. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 18 Here is how I was thinking during the hand.
Flop:
My cbet was a little small in purpose with the intention to induce a raise.
However, when I do get the raise, I actually feel nervous. The raise size
is bigger than I had expected. If I missed, he doesn't need to raise that
big to push me off. But, if I do call, I must have a good hand considering
that I open from UTG and bet into three way pot. He is a good player. It
doesn't make sense to me why he risks more than he needs to unless he
alr... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 Now the results are out. Obviously fold...
.
size
considering
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 20 3. so if rainbow flop, when facing check-raise from aggressive player, you
will fold?
4. For one pair, Ace kicker, I would say it's a very creative lines to check
-raise on the flop, big size bet on turn to commit the stack.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 21 是啊,所以我也觉得是没法fold掉KK. 但是,如果碰到set就必须pay him off么? 我就是
这一点想不明白.
check |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 22 If villain face up with a set, of cause snap fold.
But you were not sure when you made the call, right? And how many times you
were holding over pair facing a check raise with a set? The chance is very
low, right? So in long run, it's a call.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 24 simply put:
V could have 22/66/88/68s or air. If you would call 150 turn bet, you
already invest 242 into this pot which makes river fold nearly impossible.
Are you gonna call a river shove with only 1 pair? Without specific read
from V, I wont.
Your thinking on flop and turn were perfectly good but didn't act
accordingly. I have that the problem called wishful thinking. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 25 If his river bet is big I consider call,
If his river bet is all in 200, this shows he knew the betting size can't
push out no one yet still bet it all, so I would fold the river bet |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 26 "3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way"
Even though I called all the way, I was very hesitant. A big reason that I
called was that he may be in a missed flush draw.
"4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?"
He could be on a A high flush draw or hit two pairs with A. |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 27 Here is how I was thinking during the hand.
Flop:
My cbet was a little small in purpose with the intention to induce a raise.
However, when I do get the raise, I actually feel nervous. The raise size
is bigger than I had expected. If I missed, he doesn't need to raise that
big to push me off. But, if I do call, I must have a good hand considering
that I open from UTG and bet into three way pot. He is a good player. It
doesn't make sense to me why he risks more than he needs to unless he
alr... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 Now the results are out. Obviously fold...
.
size
considering
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 29 3. so if rainbow flop, when facing check-raise from aggressive player, you
will fold?
4. For one pair, Ace kicker, I would say it's a very creative lines to check
-raise on the flop, big size bet on turn to commit the stack.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 30 是啊,所以我也觉得是没法fold掉KK. 但是,如果碰到set就必须pay him off么? 我就是
这一点想不明白.
check |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 31 If villain face up with a set, of cause snap fold.
But you were not sure when you made the call, right? And how many times you
were holding over pair facing a check raise with a set? The chance is very
low, right? So in long run, it's a call.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 33 simply put:
V could have 22/66/88/68s or air. If you would call 150 turn bet, you
already invest 242 into this pot which makes river fold nearly impossible.
Are you gonna call a river shove with only 1 pair? Without specific read
from V, I wont.
Your thinking on flop and turn were perfectly good but didn't act
accordingly. I have that the problem called wishful thinking. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 34 If his river bet is big I consider call,
If his river bet is all in 200, this shows he knew the betting size can't
push out no one yet still bet it all, so I would fold the river bet |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 35 全桌打的紧和是否要fold KK没有关系啊。有些鱼只玩TT+, 但上手就想preflop全进。
如果说全桌打得都超级弱，那是有关系的。 |
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b***k
发帖数: 622 | 36 今天玩了一个tournament，前期run的不错，早早的double up，中间有一把被call
station bad beat之后又回到average了。
到了中期因为盲注很大，我在后面位置开始偷盲。牌桌有两三个人打的不太好，但是运
气都还不错，特点是只要limp了，后面无论遇到多大的raise都会call。
level是25/150/300的时候，前面两个limp，我在button raise到2500(知道他们喜欢
call，特意raise多一些)，他俩都call，后来我miss flop就fold了，后来摊牌来看，
他俩都是烂牌。因为这样我损失了不少筹码。每次都是两三家call，我也不太敢bluff。
你们说说，到了中期怎么对付这些人，如果知道他俩肯定会call，是不是拿到一些难打
的牌比如AK，AQ,AJs这样的call比raise要好，只有拿到QQ+这样才狠狠地raise？但是
拿到AK这样的牌，面对前面多个limper，call也是错误的吧，应该如何adjust？还是说
我运气不好，总miss也没办法了？ |
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b***k
发帖数: 622 | 37 今天玩了一个tournament，前期run的不错，早早的double up，中间有一把被call
station bad beat之后又回到average了。
到了中期因为盲注很大，我在后面位置开始偷盲。牌桌有两三个人打的不太好，但是运
气都还不错，特点是只要limp了，后面无论遇到多大的raise都会call。
level是25/150/300的时候，前面两个limp，我在button raise到2500(知道他们喜欢
call，特意raise多一些)，他俩都call，后来我miss flop就fold了，后来摊牌来看，
他俩都是烂牌。因为这样我损失了不少筹码。每次都是两三家call，我也不太敢bluff。
你们说说，到了中期怎么对付这些人，如果知道他俩肯定会call，是不是拿到一些难打
的牌比如AK，AQ,AJs这样的call比raise要好，只有拿到QQ+这样才狠狠地raise？但是
拿到AK这样的牌，面对前面多个limper，call也是错误的吧，应该如何adjust？还是说
我运气不好，总miss也没办法了？ |
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y*******3
发帖数: 26 | 38 请教大家 比如说你in position flop something like sets or two pair 然后flop
turn放两抢 牌面有明显的flush 或者stright draw 你特意下重注让对方买花或买顺不
profitable 但是他就是call 然后到river那个flush或是stright card 出现了 对方
bet into you 这时给多大的odds你会call？
连续几次遇到这种情况 一般这种发生pot都比较大 架设牌面没什么大牌所以对方不会
是one pair hand 很显然是买draw river那个draw也的确来了 river比方说1:4 odds你
会call么？我被这种情况折磨很痛 感觉live river bluff真是不多 但是river比方说
对方 bet 1/3 或1/4 pot pot又那么大fold了真是伤心 call又几乎都是输... |
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j**s
发帖数: 1518 | 39 bet小一般是block bet
flush牌面lead out small有可能是set或2 pair怕你是flush
如果成牌了bet这么小就算你次次都call长期来讲也是赢钱的，因为对手无法realize
turn calling implied odd。除非有明显tell对手是中了flush不然不要fold |
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y*******3
发帖数: 26 | 40 请教大家 比如说你in position flop something like sets or two pair 然后flop
turn放两抢 牌面有明显的flush 或者stright draw 你特意下重注让对方买花或买顺不
profitable 但是他就是call 然后到river那个flush或是stright card 出现了 对方
bet into you 这时给多大的odds你会call？
连续几次遇到这种情况 一般这种发生pot都比较大 架设牌面没什么大牌所以对方不会
是one pair hand 很显然是买draw river那个draw也的确来了 river比方说1:4 odds你
会call么？我被这种情况折磨很痛 感觉live river bluff真是不多 但是river比方说
对方 bet 1/3 或1/4 pot pot又那么大fold了真是伤心 call又几乎都是输... |
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j**s
发帖数: 1518 | 41 bet小一般是block bet
flush牌面lead out small有可能是set或2 pair怕你是flush
如果成牌了bet这么小就算你次次都call长期来讲也是赢钱的，因为对手无法realize
turn calling implied odd。除非有明显tell对手是中了flush不然不要fold |
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I********e
发帖数: 6130 | 43 love your 头像. :)
发信人: searchcc (cc), 信区: Craft
标 题: Re: found instructions of folding paper roses
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 15 11:27:41 2007), 转信
嗯，的确很难。。。我也放弃，:P |
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p**p
发帖数: 3386 | 44 曾经发帖问过中副折叠相机（folding camera），得到了以cancidas为代表的版内兄弟们热情解答。机器到手几天，这里发贴谈一点心得体会，权作回馈版众。
这几周一连收了三台老古董，两台Zeiss，一台Voigtlander，平均年龄在65岁以上，幅面都是6x9。其中，Zeiss Super Ikonta有联动测距，其余都是scale focus。
简单贴几个图，让看官大概有点概念这里在讨论什么样的相机
镜头基本上都是经典Tessar结构的变种。除了一台战后版本有镀膜之外，都是裸奔的镜头。全部采用镜间快门，最高速度只有1/400，拍摄风景也足够了。
折叠机一般体积都不大，下面是Voigtlander和Pentax SP II的比较，后者的尺寸是143x93x88
折叠机携带方便，可以随手放入裤兜。下图口袋中是比Voigtlander Bessa尺寸稍大的Zeiss Ikonta。当然，我的牛仔裤可能稍大，所以YMMV
就大部分人关心的画质问题，我做了简单测试。由于没有其他6x9机器，暂时将就着和6x6的Hasselblad单反，以及Mamiya双反（M6/7就不需要比了）经行了 |
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v*****s
发帖数: 587 | 45 how comes 5 fold is 6 times? |
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s****l
发帖数: 16457 | 46 【 以下文字转载自 pets 讨论区 】
发信人: zsquare (zz), 信区: pets
标 题: 大家都消消气，来看看我家Siamese Fold
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 16 17:20:38 2010, 美东)
假冒的嘿嘿～ |
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n******e
发帖数: 34 | 47 cute... often time, i did the same thing to my cat... be a faked maine coon
fold... haha... |
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z*****e
发帖数: 14786 | 48 他这样不是我整的，他自己舔舔毛就这样了～
coon fold... haha... |
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p***d
发帖数: 1595 | 49 BEN在看自己fold ear，看得眼睛對到頭頂了 |
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b***u
发帖数: 1010 | 50 真是美。另外我想起一小说里的“Scottish Fold ... Their temperaments range
from sweet to sweeter", 不知道小丫头是不是脾气很好。 |
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