G********r
发帖数: 666 | 1 Either fold PREFLOP if you believed your opponent had AA/KK, or shove on
that flop if you gave him a lower range. What flops were you hoping for
after calling a solid player's 4 bet preflop, if you intended to fold on a
King rag-rag board? |
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g********r
发帖数: 1458 | 2 He could have pocket k's and made the set on the flop. I don't really see
this as a pure bluff, I maybe wrong though, but your A's don't look any good
in this situation. I'd fold.
Another thought, I'd lead the betting on the flop, about half the pot. If I
get reraised then I prob fold right there. I put him on pocket Q's or K's
preflop. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 3 UTG raise 3x with JJ, fold around to BB and he 3bet to 12x. he has a stat of
vpip 8 pfr 4 and 3bet 4.x. I had about 80 hands with him. I folded because
this raise seems a bit bigger than usual and he's so tight ...
my stat should be around 17/12/4 to him. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 hand 1 probably fold. Don't really like the turn bet sizing. I like check or bet larger. river, everything got there.
hand 2 Hand 2. I want to call so bad. It will depend on who the villian is. Probably a fold vs normal villian. |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 5 I just played a hand 2/5 live game. Only 6 players on the table. I just sit
on and it is my 2nd hand. UTG young kids
raised 15. I called with 5c6c and SB BB did the same. Flop 2s4s3h. Young kid
bet 40. I raised to 100. SB smoothly
call. BB and kid fold. Turn 10s and at the same time SB pushed all in170. Me
? Call or fold? My 2nd hand and never
played with this guy before. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 6 I probably will squeeze preflop, but calling is fine since you can shoot for
a flush and get more customers.
After flop, I think I will check (and likely fold) too. The AT guy could
easily beat me. I may raise here to fight button on the side pot. He shows
weakness. But he's likely to fold to your raise so you end up with allin
with the AT guy, and the question becomes if it's worth to do that with AQ (
with some dead money contributed by the button). The answer is not clear to
me. Notice you ha... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 7 感觉有点scare money，对方的stack也不段，要是是70个BB我就push了
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handco
nverter.com/hands/1147036
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
BTN: $4.65
SB: $28.91
Hero (BB): $53.06
UTG: $29.48
UTG+1: $21.78
UTG+2: $42.95
MP1: $53.65
MP2: $46.68
CO: $29.41
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with Js Ts
UTG raises to $0.75, 7 folds, Hero calls $0.50
Flop: ($1.60) 6c Jd Tc (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.75, UTG requests TIME, U... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 not control pot. I was going to check raise turn there. But he didn't bet.
I meant if i lead turn he will call and when river pairs I will need to
check fold most of the time. Because I rep a flush and he is not going to
try to bluff me off a flush often. After the flop lines, most of his
continuing range on the turn are set. So I think I need to check fold river
if i lead turn. |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 9 6max super turbo:
blind is 20/40,
btn fold, stack 415
sb shove, stack 880+20(small blind)
AQo at bb, stack 445+40(big blind)
call or fold?? |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 I dont thnk you are out of line 4 bet KKs against these guys with 3bet range
over 5%. We 4 bet for value 10 out of 10 time. once the other Guy shove and
the third guy call, it is game over for kks, obviously.
you know it, if you fold to 3bet with kks, you probably wont survive in
nl200, let alone nl400. your fold to 3bet will be over 90 and those guys
love to put "pressure" on you with any two cards. but in my humble opinion,
most aggesso is dumb ass and gambler.
playing poker, now my no 1 g... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 11 I don't have many interesting hands to share these days. I am playing boring
poker with either small gains and small loss.
But there was one hand I played serveral weeks ago that I think may be worth
discussion.
I was playing NL2/5 table, villain was a young asian in mid 20s. He sits
down with maybe $300 chips, run up to $500ish when this hand happend. I was
sitting maybe $600 chips and had him covered. I was still down like $100-200
during the session.
villain seemed to be OK players, he didn't... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 12 I agreed with you guys. Should have either check call a bet or bet fold
against a shove on the river.
I chose to call the shove on the river, my reasoning was this: against a
shove, my top two pair only beats bluff. I almost always lose to set or str.
But first,does he has a set here? At the Q, 9, 5 flop, I can basically rule
out he slow played pocket Qs in late pos, I can rule out pocket JJs as well
, because a person with a normal brain will probably laydown JJs facing a
bet and a call on the ... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 13 Why is this a standard fold?
standard fold. pick a better spot.
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.36 |
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f**********1
发帖数: 52 | 14 I like your check on the flop and would probably fold as well only because
of the stack size of the vietnamese girl, I'm not worried about the black
guy, I don't think you're under ranged against him, you could have AA/KK/
AsKs/AsJs/AQ/TT/77/QQ, or even Js9s, suited connector spade depending how
they perceive you. if the vietnamese stack were comparable and how you
think you can push her off the draw, I would push here or call and push on
turn with blank, the way I look at risk and reward...
al... 阅读全帖 |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 15 I am kind of lost here. Why do you think raise is a standard play for SB? As
you said, hero could have AA/KK/AKs/AJs/AQ/TT/77/QQ/J9s/SCs. Against this
range, I don't see much of folding equity. The same range can apply to the
black guy as well. Against two players, the folding equity is even smaller.
If the purpose of raise here is to build the pot rather than to push villian
out, how many cards do you really like on the turn/river? OESFD looks
pretty, but it is more often to draw to trouble tha... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16 I certainly do not fold tptk often. But based on the playing style of two
opp and the board structure, it is quite risky to proceed with this hand.
My AQ on Q T 7 two spade board is so much weaker than Q 7 2 rainbow board.
If both opp are on a draw, I could be still a huge under dog. That is
thy it is mathematical correct to fold nuts straight on the flop a lot of
time when playing PLO. Here I only invest 20$, I have to put additional 430
$ into risk wih such low EV situation if... 阅读全帖 |
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n*****t
发帖数: 190 | 17 If you choose to check/fold this flop, you might want to fold pre-flop with
this hand next time. Cannot understand you point about risk control.
$)
time.
continue |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 18 I would prolly fold as well.
As to the question about whether the SB should flat call or raise with j9s,
I feel the actual question is Whether there is fold equity if she raise. I
say player nim's range is not strong, definitely has a lot FE. While the
weak tight black guy almost has not. So it is a flat call for me to invite
more chips into the pot to make our draw more pretty. |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 19 I think it's fine if you don't want to take the risk. There are always
better spots, but personally I would not fold on that flop. Raised with AQ
pre-flop, and you then flopped TPTK, that's the flop you were hoping for.
Although it's a drawy board, but that's how you make money from giving them
incorrect odds to draw. A dry board is much safer, but who is going to call
you? I don't know if the lady got the straight on the turn or on the river.
If the turn is a blank, I always bet big on the turn... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 这不就是我在24楼说得吗？variance 大，因为对手的continuation range wider with
a drawy board. 你选择fold 来reduce variance, 我没问题。 see my post
"This is the bottom line:
1) more value with tptk on a drawy board.
2) more variance with tptk on a drawy board.
whether you want to continue to play your tptk with a drawy board depends on
whether you want to put your 400$ at risk to maximize your expected value.
Player chose "NO". 400 is too much to lose. I think this is totally fine"
不过你硬要说你的AQ is weaker facing a drawy board， ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 好久不逛2+2 了， 昨天去看到个有意思的。大家怎么看？call, fold?
====================
Some background info first:
it's a live 10/20 nlhe game with no cap. table is deep. I just say down
about 2 orbits ago with 13k and haven't played a single hand yet.
Villan in this hand is unknown and hasn't played in the past town orbits
either and he has about the same stack.
Hero: KsKh and raises to 80
Villan: calls 80
4 more guys call.
Flop ($480): KdQcQh
Hero: bets $120
Villan quickly calls $120
Everyone else folds
Turn($720): Td
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 22 This kind of pointless 2plus2 posts are for nothing but ego. It reminded me
of that idiot who folded quads at last year's one million buyin game. Poker
is not a game for hero fold, unless there is a TV broadcast and you want to
look like a genius. |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 23 1/2 full ring table.
UTG had stack of 350ish and straddled, 6 callers. UTG raised to 16 PF. all
called, including BTN, who has 500ish chip.
Flop 5s7s8c. UTG led out 20. Fold to BTN, BTN tank a while and raised to
60. UTG snap call.
Turn Kh. UTG check, BTN tank and quickly announced all in. UTG had 8s9s.
BTN was able to apply pressure on players. Saw BTN all in with nuts, flush
draw before. Should UTG fold this hand? |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 24 In fact. LP made a good fold there. Hero is UTG, hold AQ. After LP's fold
, hero showed Qc as he promised, which pissed the whole table off, lol.
Everybody else on the table said I was bluffing, pair w/ flush, purely air,
blah blah.
This hand, LP made a bad move by raising w/ position, which gave too much
information.
To myself, I don't really like my move either. I may overplay my hand again
. Maybe should do as you guys suggested before: shaking head, sigh couple
times, and make crying c... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 它这牌打得真没头没脑，不知所云。
$140到底是为啥子呢？
for information, it's too expensive, ~$100 could do the job;
for value, what hands can pay him off here?
for a fold? UTG's stack size is kind of short.
pot is $75+40=115 before he makes his move.
he totally wastes his position and wild range.
and the worst, he doesn't have a plan at all after his move... if he was
tanking for real, he should step down into 1/2 pond.
fold
,
again |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 26 LP thought UTG's half pot donk bet is likely a combo draw. Re-raise as his
trip is ahead. UTG shove convinced him that was not a draw. Then kicker
problem is highly possible. So fold.
In the heat of fight, he may not calculate the pot odd. But guys, he
deserves credit for the fold, following his own judgement.
LP
I |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 27 reason being
1) your hand have good equity
2) your hand is not too strong
3) there are many drawy hands you can get value from, Combo draw, pair +
flush, etc which they would not fold and love to get it in behind
4) could also fold out some weak made hands if villain chickens out
5)do not allow villian to value comfortably with medium strength hand in
later street
6)being out of position |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 28 MM的干货，精华所在。
我来分析下。 TT6r 面对rerease， 牌力主要集中在1 和 3了， 而642dd面对reraise
， 牌力在1，2，3都有可能。 而且642牌面没有TT6凶险，所以更有可能是2和3。 63在
TT6的value只有是bluff catcher， 但是在642牌面还可以套进强draw牌，而且这种牌
在flop是很难fold掉的。 强draw牌在turn miss，很多时候就fold了。 而且river也不
大会turn into bluff。
不知这样理解对不， 老湿？ |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 29 EV pretty much even. 纯看equity， fold/call 皆可以。 主要是想看看大家一般这
种情况是愿意take variation call呢，还是fold。 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 30 MM 说得有道理。 不过我这个loose play并不是习惯性的。 只是偶尔搞一次。 而且当
时table 非常soft，太多鱼了。 所以觉得73o看看straddle at BB 也可以。 谁知道
straddler 加注，大家都call， 5 way pot，所以也就call了。 两个短筹，3个中等筹
码，也算有implied odds。 至此，我的计划当然是flop没有hit就跑了。
flop 出来给我两头顺子。而且又是一连串的call。 我的odds还是在那里。 当然也就
call。 如果说73o call PF是个错误。 那这个flop出来之后，fold 73o就是大错特错
了。 所以继续call。
Turn 3s， CO的jammed in. 我觉得他是two over cards, str8 draw, flush draw,
combo draw, pair, or pair w/ draw. 在他的range里， 唯一能够beat我的是pair。
所以即使
落后，我还有13个outs。 更何况我还领先他其他的range。
As played, I called,... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 31 Is turn bet 65 on top pair normal at your level?
At my level, turn bet 32BB means he has at least two pair, so I would fold
at turn.
If he is not a normal guy and often overplay, I would raise allin on turn,
since he could check on river if he only has top pair.
If turn bet 65 is normal at your level then there is no point folding and
turn reraise is the best play.
not |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 32 主要还是看人，大多打的都比较AGGRESIVE,AA 在这种FLOP还FOLD那没法打了。但对上
比较WEAK的选手，可以考虑TURN FOLD。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 33 200NL, 6Max
MP: ~$500 Hero QhQd
BTN: ~$200 new to the table
BB: ~$450 seems aggressive
Preflop
Hero open $7
BTN call
BB call
Flop
Td8c7c
BB check
Hero bet $16
BTN call $16
BB raise to $49
Hero call
BTN fold
Turn Qs
BB check
Hero bet $68, which is about 1/2 pot
BB call
River 6d
BB check
Hero bet $91
BB call and shows Ac9c
Questions
1. Would you fold to the raise on flop?
2. Would you play differently on turn and river? |
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c*********6
发帖数: 103 | 34 根据你描述的BB的table image，必须fold了。
I think it should be a good fold |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 35 river他的range里你也就能beat AQ/KK了，我觉得是good fold。如果不想high
variance的话可以check turn，river可以call reasonable bet或者bet/fold。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 36 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 37 assume your image is LAG:
1. Would you consider folding this hand?---Never, especially against
aggressive online player :) Of course he could have winning hand, but in
long run, here is snap call.
2. What if it is against a passive player?---Passive player would check
though. But if passive player led out, either it is a monster or air. So
call
3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way
4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines? |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 38 我觉得set是最难防的，2pair/trip很多时候从sizing/history上能看出来个大概，
river能fold掉。100bb我如果觉得对手没有2pair我是不会fold的，虽然昨天刚被set搞
得很惨 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 39 如果你call他的check-raise,基本上就是了。其实在flop 上，你有没有想如果你face
check raise 怎么办？ then turn 怎么办？then river 怎么办？
既然对手是good aggressive player, 这牌flop bet/fold 最好。试想，good player
会让你很舒服的看下面几条街吗？ 再加上stack size, 基本就commit了？ 你在flop
做好all in 的准备了吗？ 如果没有，那就fold 最好。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 40 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 41 assume your image is LAG:
1. Would you consider folding this hand?---Never, especially against
aggressive online player :) Of course he could have winning hand, but in
long run, here is snap call.
2. What if it is against a passive player?---Passive player would check
though. But if passive player led out, either it is a monster or air. So
call
3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way
4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines? |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 42 我觉得set是最难防的，2pair/trip很多时候从sizing/history上能看出来个大概，
river能fold掉。100bb我如果觉得对手没有2pair我是不会fold的，虽然昨天刚被set搞
得很惨 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 43 如果你call他的check-raise,基本上就是了。其实在flop 上，你有没有想如果你face
check raise 怎么办？ then turn 怎么办？then river 怎么办？
既然对手是good aggressive player, 这牌flop bet/fold 最好。试想，good player
会让你很舒服的看下面几条街吗？ 再加上stack size, 基本就commit了？ 你在flop
做好all in 的准备了吗？ 如果没有，那就fold 最好。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 44 preflop fold KK, 我从来没干过，只见过一次。那一次我还真的拿着AA，我以为
villain已经4bet pot commit了，他居然还能fold. 他手上的筹码还没有pot里多。 |
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c*******o
发帖数: 27734 | 45 【 以下文字转载自 Joke 讨论区 】
发信人: sequel (爱咋咋地), 信区: Joke
标 题: 大家都消消气，来看看我家Siamese Fold (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 16 21:09:58 2010, 美东)
发信人: zsquare (zz), 信区: pets
标 题: 大家都消消气，来看看我家Siamese Fold
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 16 17:20:38 2010, 美东)
假冒的嘿嘿～ |
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a********a
发帖数: 1292 | 46 increase by 5 folds
in comparison with
incease another 5 folds
I think |
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y*******1
发帖数: 25 | 47 我买猫猫的过程可谓是一波三折。苏格兰折耳猫的breeder很少，我们州几乎没有
ACTIVE的breeder. 你要看BREEDER有多久的历史了，看他们家有多少得奖的猫猫，看他
们对于SCOTTISH FOLD的BREEDING有多专业。好的BREEDER都会在网站上介绍他们自己的
。然后，你就要看他们猫猫的长象，不同的BREEDER重点不同，有的以某种花纹或颜色
为主，可能不是你想要的那种。比如我就想要SILVER TABBY W／ WHITE。 还有，虽然
都是SCOTTISH FOLD，但是长的好看与否还是有差别的，所以要看BREEDER以前的猫猫长
的怎样。
我从２月份就开始跟好几个breeder联系，都没有当时有小猫的，有的说要等一个月，
有的说要等到秋天。而且不可以提前预定，要等小猫出生了，三个星期后知道它的耳朵
是折还是直后，breeder 才会把照片贴出来，这时候你才可一付定金。
四月初的时候，ATLANTA的一个breeder有一窝新猫了，把照片贴出来了，于是我第一时
间跟她联系，她说小猫都在跟人联系中了，我迟了一步。很失落啊，于是跟breeder说
，我已经跟踪你 |
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W***s
发帖数: 955 | 48 现在讲到persian了，专门提到persian有kidney problem (40%会感染)，需要定时做
ultrasound
scottish fold的时候啥都没提，还说很健康
我就记得scottish fold也有这个问题的。晕，本来我还挺信任cat 101的
dominant
Scottish
While |
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M*P
发帖数: 6456 | 49 我edit别人的code,原来的code可以folding,但是我自己输入的code（comments）就没
有folding.请问怎么调出来？
谢谢 |
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t***u
发帖数: 230 | 50 It really depends on the GC content of your RNA. My suggestion is to shuffle
and generate a random pool (say, 100) of your RNA based on the GC content.
Then run them through mfold (the server can handle batch jobs, you just need
to wait for a while), and then you will have a normal distribution of the
folding free energy. Compare the folding free energy of your native sequence
to the distribution will show you whether it's better or worse than random. |
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