W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 one more.. Utg raise 2X preflop. I call. after flop i check he bets a
little over pot size.. turn i check again. he goes all in.. fold or call? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 Another one.
EP limp sb limp i check.
flop check around turn sb bets 2/3 pot I raise to 2.5X of his bet and he calls river he lead pot. i raise 2X pot and he shoves... call or fold.
what could sb have? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 Very good read. He has got nut flush. I have to call either way. His turn
call make me feel that he doesn't have any of the higher full house. I don't
understand his river shove. a call or a fold will be much less donkish. No
good player will raise here without beating the flush.
if he shoves over turn, it will be very hard for me to call that.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 Another one. I folded this one so i don't know what hhe has.
I raise 3X. bb calls. I c bet 2/3 pot, he check call. He checks turn and I
check turn as well. He bets over pot river. I don't see he can bet without a 10 here. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 yes, hard to imagine you're way ahead here. it's only ok to call his shove,
or fold if you feel uncomfortable or have some notes on him.
flat call is fine if you can re-evaluate on the turn. i agree mini-raising
to $6 might be the worst play here:
1) not enough to get good drawing hands out;
2) give him a chance to pop up;
3) almost no outs for you down the road;
4) stack is too big;
5) $6, he has a much better idea what you may hold than you, playing cards
face-up is the worst in poker.
in part |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 does it make a difference if I started with 80X bb? I think call is still better for the same reason. raise make it simple for his decision, shove or fold. Call make him guess our hand. Make him work out of position. He has got draws, he is in trouble without making it. He has got sets, he is in trouble when flush comes out. there is no hand he could have without having a scary card.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 I over shove AA soemtimes too when there is someone opens. But what if you
have pocket As at LP when everyone fold to you? do you open shove as well?
That would be a waste. it is not only AA KK. QQ AK is the same really when you hit TPTK or over pair at flop. And for those hand you can't even open shove anymore to be profitable
10
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 like any weapon in your arsenal, over shoving is just one of them, it has
much more value in micro stack rush poker, which doesn't mean you use it too
often to become a trackable pattern.
for LP, when everyone folds to you, the most likely case is that CO/BT
normally are waiting for stealing opportunity (in rush poker), and SB/BB has
nothing even for a 3x bet. over shoving might be too much, 5/6x would be
enough, hehe.
the power of AA/KK is to force your supicious hero callers to play a short
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 13 all deep stake, I 3 bet in BB and he called.
after flop I c bet 2/3 the pot and just want to stop there, he 3 bet me, I
called and dont feel comfortable. On turn he went all in with about 120BB
left. I almost fold over there. the only thing I noticed is that this guy
has over 40 vpip and 3 bet a lot. I decide to gamble and get the rewards. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 i do not recommend folding KK preflop like ever..
but this is an exception. I feel he has AA >80% of the time here.
1) I 3 bet EP vs utg raise = Super super strength
2) I do not like the sizing of his 3 bet at all.
If he only had QQ or AK here, I can only say "great job, clueless donk" and
give him the pot. I will get him back in the future. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 good fold!
150BB is kind of deep. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 Answer is "Never Fold"?
hand 1. this guy have vpip 10/7 or something so i didn't 3 bet preflop with
As and he kept firing PSB as i wanted. i was going to shove all in with a small
card on river until K comes out. it actually crossed my mind that he has Ks.
.. but i have to call that...it turned out it was nit on the loose...
Hand 2 is a call down once i called flop as long as flush card don't come
out. He is only representing pocket 5s or spazz bluff. Note: if he keeps
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 17 It comes last night game. Three players left. The chip ratio is around 6:4:2.
The top two have the entry (200+15). The 3rd has tiny money(let =0).
Final hand, short stack at SB(=7.5BB) allin on 3BB (chip lead) from btn; btn
call.
SB has AQo and BTN has A8o.
Odds, SB has 70% chance to win and BTN has 30% (rough #).
Outcome, BTN win with a low staight with 8.
Benefit, me at BB to take a ride.
THE QUEST, should the Short-stack allin or fold?!
If he wins, all players are chip-even and he and 2/3 cha |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 18 Your description is a little confusing.
The short stack should allin with A8o for sure, If big stack raises with A8o
, he should call with Aqo for sure. If big stack allin with aqo, he has A8o,
hmmm, he probably should fold.
Actually, the shorty should allin a ton, any ace, such as a2o+, k7s+, k8o+, q8s+, the big stack should not call him so lightly.
If the shorty dare not allin with A8o, he will bubble for sure.
However, if shorty allin with A8o, I guess the big chip leader and 2nd chip
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 From my knowledge, it is big money bubble situation, tough decision time.
Generally strategy is to avoid allin situations. You can allin w/27o, or
close to any two random cards, but you can not call so lightly, sometimes
you have to fold AKo. However, you need observe also, if one guy allin every
hand, you have to make marginal calls, since you bleed your chips quickly
in those situations.
Yesterday, I played a token game(15$ buyin ---> 75$ token ), After I
finished it as a bubble, and review th |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 20 One hand from rush NL100 last night. I just started my game in a few
minutes with 55BB, got QQ at middle position. I open raised 3BB. All
folded to button. Button called with a stack at 80BB. Flop 985 rainbow, I
bet 6BB, button called. Turn Q, I bet 12 BB, button called. River 3, no
flush possibility, I bet 15BB, button shoved instantly. I had 19BB left.
What should I do here? what did button have? straight, two pairs, burst
straight draw, set? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 Never fold with that stack size... Even though he is never bluffing here,
but there are still too many hand that you beat. Bet more on the flop. bet more on the turn, shove river...
I do think you should play full stack+ all the time.. Play some real poker..
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 easy fold, your str8 is very weak here and at bubble time.
money.
in): |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 23 Thanks. I think I play way too tight as I actually folded this hand. I would happily
call re-raise all in from short stacker with a strong hand after opening the pot, but
very reluctant to call all in that will cripple my stack when my M is not bad.
by the way, what do you think about these books:
Tournament poker for advanced players, by David Sklansky
The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition, by Andy Bloch
Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time, by Jon Turner
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 if you don't go broke with TPTK with AK post flop, then you should not
calling that big 4 bet at all preflop. You can either fold or 5 bet shove
him. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 5 bet all in to fold out KK preflop is what a pro would do. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 but I think 5 bet all in with A2s is better than AKs because with AK you have a
blocker on Ks which you try to fold out. |
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 27 5bet AK/s is an great but advanced move. However, will an opponent playing
25NL have the discipline to fold KK? |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 28 why you sure folding kk is good (since you refer it as discipline)
playing |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 29 lol, thanks for teaching
still, why you sure folding KK is a good move , even in NL25
applied extensively by pros playing at higher stakes, where players are
generally better in putting a range to opponents' holdings, and therefore
are capable of making huge la |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 30 I usually just play ak like AA, except I don't slowplay it preflop, but I
can do that because I play a lot of other hands aggressively preflop, even
deep stack, if you fold AQ type of hand to me preflop, it probably would be
a mistake in the long run |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 31
That's not a bad fold. If your range is really KK, AA, AK. So her QQ is -EV
to call. |
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x**y
发帖数: 33 | 32 If you fold river why bother to call his turn raise? obviously the river
didn't help him.
besides a pure bluff, he could have AK too, even though the chance is slim.
good
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 33 I still have nut flush draw at turn. There are also chance he bluff raise
and shut down at river. I don't I should fold to the smallish turn raise. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 34 you successfully induced a bluff which you folded to ... |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 35 I folded. This is kinda of decision I will never know whether it's correct
or not. 44, 66, kk, 33, made flush all fits his betting pattern here. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 36 Another note, villain's 3 bet at button is 15% with 1K hands. He only folded
to 4 bet 17% time. I think he would flat call with any playable hands with
stacks this deep. So Suited connector is not out of his range. |
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 37 it looks like a good fold to me. |
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x**y
发帖数: 33 | 38 Great analysis.
BTW I think it is mostly a call in this kind of situation. As long as you
have 30% or more of chance ahead you cann't fold due to the pot odd. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 loose ATo 4x pre, tiny stack calls, LP calls, i call.
check fold flop.
well, otherwise, everyone wins except me.
2 more notes on those gutshot heroes. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 40 no. I do not think it is good fold. I would go for it. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 41 Not sure. I only have 500 hands with him. He never 4 bet in these 500 hands.
His fold to Cbet is 90% in my database, which indicating that he is a nit. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 if I bet turn i probably have check fold river because he is not betting
river worse here. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 43 what is the outcome?
Is this super turbo with 300 starting chips or turbo with 1500 chips?
I bet is 300 starting chip. Should call, OW, you would fold to everything.
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 44 It is a call.
Because the other stack should be around 500chips.
you are very close to that 500 chips guy, which means you can not fold to
win.
AQ is ahead of his shoving range. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 1/2NL, hero at BB with Q3s.
limped pot, 5 way.
flop; KQQ, hero checks, UTG (semi-tight, bet size not enough sometimes) bets
$10, all fold, hero calls.
turn: 8 (no draw), hero checks, UTG bets $25, hero calls.
river: 2, hero checks again, UTG qucikly announces all-in for $200, hero got
him covered. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 too easy fold, UTG is too nervous and his bluff % is very low.
the worst river for hero could be a 3. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 47 easy fold unless you have history with UTG.
in the multi limp in pot, dont play big if you dont have nuts. |
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g*******s
发帖数: 2828 | 48 i would fold. i doubt the villain would raise with anything less than a set.
i had an almost identical hand as yours last week. betting was a bit
different though as i was on the button. i bet on the rainbow flop with tptk
, villain called. i bet again on the turn when a gut shot straight was
completed, and villain called. villain bet half the pot on river when i hit
top 2 pairs. since it was a friendly low stake home game and i was a big
winner, i decided to call. villain showed a straight. |
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h******g
发帖数: 100 | 49 I like your play, he could held QJs and call your value bet on the river. As
played, I don't think he would shove with two pair so bet/fold is a good
decision on the river in my opinion. If you check and he bet 200, what will
you do? I think we save some money by betting out. In terms of his range, he
definitely could have KTs since he is getting a better odds in position on
the flop when the other player called. Also, 60$ bet on the turn seems a
little fishy to me as well.
boring
worth
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 50 +1. The flop bet size is way too small. I would make a bet near pot size
on the flop, first protect your hand from drawing out from gutters ,also
getting enough info if you are against a set or not. It is relatively
cheaper to find out in the early street.
It is a easy fold to me on the river.
most
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