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发帖数: 3781 | 1 by Dave Hunt
In attempting to escape the clear implications of this lamentable doctrine,
it is argued that although totally depraved man can do nothing but reject th
e gospel, God is just in holding him accountable and damning him. Paul expla
ins how God can justly forgive sinners (Romans 3:21-30) but nowhere does Scr
ipture explain how God could justly condemn for sinning those whom He predes
tined to sin and to eternal destruction.
With no apparent sense of irony, a Calvinist friend who critiq... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 2 Study By: Greg Herrick
A. Introduction
“Two things never live up to their billing; the circus and sin.”
“It does not matter how small the sins are, provided that their cumulative
effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into nothing. Murder i
s no better than lies if lying does the trick.”—C. S. Lewis
“The punishment of sin is sin.”—Augustine
B. Translation of Passage in NET
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness an
d unrighteousness of people who ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 3 C. Full Exegetical Outline
I. The basis for God’s wrath against the Gentiles and the fact that they ar
e without excuse is that they suppress the truth about God and have exchange
d the glory of God for idols (1:18-23).
A. The basis for God’s wrath against the Gentiles and the fact that they ar
e without excuse is that through their wickedness they suppress the obvious
truth about God’s eternal power and divine nature (1:18-20).
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发帖数: 3781 | 4 E. Exposition Proper
The section 1:18-32 is part of the larger section of material in 1:18-3:20 (
cf. the teaching outline at the front of the book). The function of this mat
erial, as the for in 1:18 indicates, is to confirm that faith alone is the o
nly means of attaining the righteousness offered in the gospel in 1:17.
This is so because all men are depraved and cannot earn God’s salvation by
their own works or merit. The point of 1:18-32 is to show that the Gentiles
(primarily, though not ex... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 5 1:28 Continuing on, Paul says that just as people did not see fit to acknowl
edge God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things that are not fi
tting. The expression to see fit to acknowledge God is literally “they did
not approve to have God in [their] knowledge.” The word approve (ejdokivmas
an, edokimasan) means “to test,” “to examine,” “to come to a conclusion
based on evidence.” And the idea of knowledge (ejpignwvsi", epignosis) alw
ays means “moral or religious knowledge” in the ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 6 Study By: Greg Herrick
A. Introduction
“Two things never live up to their billing; the circus and sin.”
“It does not matter how small the sins are, provided that their cumulative
effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into nothing. Murder i
s no better than lies if lying does the trick.”—C. S. Lewis
“The punishment of sin is sin.”—Augustine
B. Translation of Passage in NET
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness an
d unrighteousness of people who ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 7 C. Full Exegetical Outline
I. The basis for God’s wrath against the Gentiles and the fact that they ar
e without excuse is that they suppress the truth about God and have exchange
d the glory of God for idols (1:18-23).
A. The basis for God’s wrath against the Gentiles and the fact that they ar
e without excuse is that through their wickedness they suppress the obvious
truth about God’s eternal power and divine nature (1:18-20).
1. God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all the unrighteousn... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 8 E. Exposition Proper
The section 1:18-32 is part of the larger section of material in 1:18-3:20 (
cf. the teaching outline at the front of the book). The function of this mat
erial, as the for in 1:18 indicates, is to confirm that faith alone is the o
nly means of attaining the righteousness offered in the gospel in 1:17.
This is so because all men are depraved and cannot earn God’s salvation by
their own works or merit. The point of 1:18-32 is to show that the Gentiles
(primarily, though not ex... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 9 1:28 Continuing on, Paul says that just as people did not see fit to acknowl
edge God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things that are not fi
tting. The expression to see fit to acknowledge God is literally “they did
not approve to have God in [their] knowledge.” The word approve (ejdokivmas
an, edokimasan) means “to test,” “to examine,” “to come to a conclusion
based on evidence.” And the idea of knowledge (ejpignwvsi", epignosis) alw
ays means “moral or religious knowledge” in the ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 10 by Dave Hunt
Not A Question Of Obligation
Such rationalization simply won't work. Of course Calvinism's God prevents t
he non-elect from coming to Him. He very clearly does so by withholding the
grace without which they can't believe.
Furthermore, He has predestined them to eternal damnation. Could there be an
y stronger means of preventing the nonelect from coming to Him? What this fr
iend apparently means is that God withholds nothing that He is under obligat
ion to bestow.
Obviously God is un... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 11 Why Does God Strive?
In the very context of the first expose of man's wicked heart, which the Cal
vinist offers as proof of Total Depravity, we hear God saying, "My spirit sh
all not always strive with man" (Genesis 6:3). How can there be a real "stri
ving" if man is dead in sin and therefore cannot even hear, much less be per
suaded? The Calvinist insists that being spiritually dead in sin means that
man can no more hear the gospel or respond to God than a physically dead man
could. Why would t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 12 F. Contribution of Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes to the doctrine of the depravity concerning the ent
ire human race and that no person has escaped the grip of sin. Further, no a
mount of good works, done in accordance with the highest ethical norms, can
result in our being declared righteous. The situation is hopeless as far as
we are concerned. Our entire heart, mind, and will is enslaved to the power
of sin and we stand under the just wrath of God.
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发帖数: 3781 | 13 F. Contribution of Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes to the doctrine of the depravity concerning the ent
ire human race and that no person has escaped the grip of sin. Further, no a
mount of good works, done in accordance with the highest ethical norms, can
result in our being declared righteous. The situation is hopeless as far as
we are concerned. Our entire heart, mind, and will is enslaved to the power
of sin and we stand under the just wrath of God.
G. Contribution of ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 14 3:27 Paul’s point in v. 27 follows naturally from 3:21-26 and indeed from a
ll the previous material commencing in 1:18. When the apostle asks where the
n is boasting (Pou' ou hJ kauvchsi", pou oun he kauchesis)—a question parti
cularly addressed to the Jews—the answer is rather obvious. Wherever it is,
it is not included in salvation. Indeed, it is excluded (ejxekleivsqh, exek
leisthe), “shut out,” “eliminated,” as it were. There is absolutely no r
oom in one’s salvation for boasting since salv... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 15 3:27 Paul’s point in v. 27 follows naturally from 3:21-26 and indeed from a
ll the previous material commencing in 1:18. When the apostle asks where the
n is boasting (Pou' ou hJ kauvchsi", pou oun he kauchesis)—a question parti
cularly addressed to the Jews—the answer is rather obvious. Wherever it is,
it is not included in salvation. Indeed, it is excluded (ejxekleivsqh, exek
leisthe), “shut out,” “eliminated,” as it were. There is absolutely no r
oom in one’s salvation for boasting since salv... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 168 | 16 你知道什么叫total depravity么？先讲明白 |
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发帖数: 1911 | 17 I know. the first 70+ pages of this book is dealing with this false
teaching.
but some Christians often use "total depravity" to "prove" that a person is
not able to do any good things. I hope you are not this kind of "Christian". |
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发帖数: 168 | 18 你知道什么叫total depravity么？先讲明白 |
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发帖数: 1911 | 19 I know. the first 70+ pages of this book is dealing with this false
teaching.
but some Christians often use "total depravity" to "prove" that a person is
not able to do any good things. I hope you are not this kind of "Christian". |
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发帖数: 1911 | 20 The Bible clearly teaches that the natural, unregenerated man can do good, a
nd it offers many examples. We have already quoted from Romans 2 how unsaved
Gentiles recognize God's moral laws in their consciences, seek to obey them
, have guilt when they don't and even judge one another by that standard. Ye
s, it says "there is none that doeth good, no, not one" (Romans 3:12). But J
esus also said...... ye do good to them which do good to you ... sinners als
o do even the same" (Luke 6:33). We mus... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 21 total depravity is not from the bible
you only read the book of Calvin |
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发帖数: 1776 | 22 第四课 人的罪责与苦况
“人是有罪的”此项事实，人类历史证据比比皆是，人的良心见证处处昭示。“罪
”是复杂的，更是无理的；罪人陷溺罪中，内外皆受捆绑，真是苦不堪言。唯有了解“
罪”的本质与权势、“人”的罪污罪责，我们才能真正体会神在基督里拯救我们的“恩
”，是何等长阔高深！
一、罪的真相
1. 历代对“罪”的看法
两千年来的教会历史，面对“罪”所带来的现实冲击，留下许多神学作品探讨这个
人类最大的问题。历代对“罪”的看法，归纳起来有下列几项：
(1)罪是选择作恶；
(2)罪是缺乏良善；
(3)罪是骄傲自大，自我中心；
(4)罪是失去了原始之义与圣洁；
(5)罪是骄傲、怠惰、虚谎；
(6)罪是适应不良。
这些说法皆是从道德或心理的角度，点出“罪”的某一面性质症状，然而并未触及
“罪”的本质核心。明白“罪”的本质真相，关键在于“神与人的关系”，以上那些看
法都没有以此作为基本架构。圣经论到“罪”的词汇，都是以“我们与神的关系”为核
心。
2. 圣经的定义
圣经论到“罪”，指其为：全人类对神的反叛，普遍的堕落心性行为，牵涉到每个
人的每一部分（王上八46；罗三9-23，七18；约壹一8-10... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 280 | 23 1. Total Depravity（全然的堕落）（全然的败坏）
指所有人类都已经被罪污染。
罪已经污染了人的每一个层面，人的理性、感情、意志、良心……全部都被污染了，没
有一吋地方是干净的了。此教义又称为『Total inability』（全然无能为力），指人已
经完全丧失良善的能力，也丧失追求真神的自由意志了。
此教义又可称为『Radical corruption』（极其败坏），指罪对人的败坏是全面性的，
而非局部性的。
注：人类都已经被罪污染，全然的堕落，全然的败坏，失去了行善的能力，在善上是死
了，是正确的；但人有向善的心，人有信的自由，因为信是在行为以外的。
罗马书》 4：5 惟有不作工的，只信称罪人为义的神，他的信就算为义。
《罗马书》 4：6 正如大卫称那在行为以外，蒙神算为义的人是有福的。
从以上经文可以看出，“信”是不算为“作工的”，“信”是“在行为以外”的。人在
善上都死了，人没有行善的自由，人在行善上被罪捆绑了，失去了行善的能力，但“人
的信”却不属于“善行”，“人的信”没有受到捆绑，人仍然有信仰的自由。当圣灵的
大光照耀人心的时候，人都有“信”或“不信”的自由。... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 280 | 24 1. Total Depravity（全然的堕落）（全然的败坏）
指所有人类都已经被罪污染。
罪已经污染了人的每一个层面，人的理性、感情、意志、良心……全部都被污染了，没
有一吋地方是干净的了。此教义又称为『Total inability』（全然无能为力），指人已
经完全丧失良善的能力，也丧失追求真神的自由意志了。
此教义又可称为『Radical corruption』（极其败坏），指罪对人的败坏是全面性的，
而非局部性的。
注：人类都已经被罪污染，全然的堕落，全然的败坏，失去了行善的能力，在善上是死
了，是正确的；但人有向善的心，人有信的自由，因为信是在行为以外的。
罗马书》 4：5 惟有不作工的，只信称罪人为义的神，他的信就算为义。
《罗马书》 4：6 正如大卫称那在行为以外，蒙神算为义的人是有福的。
从以上经文可以看出，“信”是不算为“作工的”，“信”是“在行为以外”的。人在
善上都死了，人没有行善的自由，人在行善上被罪捆绑了，失去了行善的能力，但“人
的信”却不属于“善行”，“人的信”没有受到捆绑，人仍然有信仰的自由。当圣灵的
大光照耀人心的时候，人都有“信”或“不信”的自由。... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1776 | 25 第八课
救赎论
━━神与人和好的妙计
一、序言
神学家D. Hague谓：“救赎是基督教最高贵的表现，亦因为此点，基督教非仅是启示、
伦理的宗教，而是独一无二、与众不同的宗教”〔注1〕。新正统神学家E. Brunner亦言
：“认识十架就是认识圣经，亦等于认识耶稣基督”〔注2〕。
除创造外，救赎可算是神最伟大的工程，况且救赎更在创世前早已为人预备妥善（弗1:
4），可见神爱人之心是何等的长阔高深、溯源长远。
二、救赎的前题
救赎的前题分为两方面，一与神有关，另一与人有关：
A.与人有关━━救赎是因人的景况
1.先祖的罪━━据创2-3章所记，亚当夏娃犯罪，于是丧失永远生命，死亡中止他们与神
亲密的关系。惟他们是神爱心的创造、精心的杰作，神不愿罪剥削他与人之间的相爱，
神主动要与人和好，逐订立了“和好如初”的救赎大计。
2.世人的罪━━全地的人因亚当之故被圈在罪中（罗5:12），任罪宰割。圣经多处指出
，世人因始祖之罪，亦因神的咒诅，生下来便是罪人（参论罪篇），等待神之审判，除
非人愿意接受神的救赎，否则人永远沉沦。
3.人生归宿━━人因罪在天性中，致生活未能达美满境界，诸如焦虑、恐惧、绝... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 26 that's why Calvinists advocate the doctrine of "total depravity"
They think everyone is so bad in nature and deserves this kind of tragedy. |
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发帖数: 3781 | 27 捡垃圾的阿姨 violated the doctrine of "Total Depravity" |
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发帖数: 9 | 28 TULIP之研究----神本对人本的凯歌
作者 曼德
本文大纲（约1万1千字）
1. 加尔文主义五要点（TULIP）简介及在加尔文神学中的地位
2. 阿民年主义的历史来源
3. TULIP的神学历史来源
4. TULIP的圣经依据简述
5. TULIP的对基督徒的生命造就
一、加尔文主义五要点（TULIP）简介及在加尔文神学中的地位
作为一个基督教神学思想体系的加尔文主义（Calvinism），是法国著名宗教改革家
、神学家约翰·加尔文及其忠实的追随者们许多主张的统称。这样一个神学体系具有区
别于其他神学体系的鲜明特色，在林慈信、Virginia Yip合撰的《加尔文主义500年历史
回顾》一文中，指出了加尔文主义的5大特色（见台北改革宗出版有限公司《改教家加尔
文》第279页）：
1.忠于上帝的话语、上帝的启示——圣经 （The Word of God）；
2.高举上帝的主权（The Sovereignty of God）；
3.强调上帝的圣约（The Covenant of God ）；
4.宣称基督的普世... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 29 by Dave Hunt
Leopard's Spots, Man's Skin Color - Like Sin?
That such natural deductions are the Calvinist's main weapon may explain why
their doctrines are so appealing to intellectuals. White continues:
Just as a person cannot change the color of their skin, or the leopard its s
pots, so the one who practices evil cannot break the bondage of sin and star
t doing good .... The New Testament continues the testimony of the radical d
epravity of man . . . Paul begins with a dreadfully long discussi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 30 by Dave Hunt
Simple Confusion Over Inability
Calvinists are to be commended for their zeal to protect God's sovereignty a
nd glory. They are concerned that if man could do anything toward his salvat
ion, that fact would rob God of some of the credit for saving him. Confusion
arises through failing to recognize the obvious distinction between man's i
nability to do anything for his salvation (which is biblical) and an alleged
inability to believe the gospel (which is not biblical). To believe the... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 31 5:5 The hope about which Paul speaks does not disappoint (ouj kataiscuvnei,
ou kataischunei), because like Abraham’s hope, it is derived from God (thro
ugh the Spirit), not from our circumstances (4:19-21). Those who trust in Ch
rist will in no way end up embarrassed or disappointed for so having committ
ed themselves to him. Paul’s words recall the prayer of the psalmist and hi
s earnest expectation that he would in no way be disappointed (Ps 22:5; 25:2
0; cf. also Isa 28:16).
The reason this h... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 32 by Dave Hunt
A Distorted Sovereignty
Having seen that Total Depravity is a key doctrine of Calvinism, we need to
understand that behind this belief is something even more fundamental: a gra
ve misunderstanding concerning the sovereignty of God. Singer reminds us tha
t "The secret grandeur of Calvin's theology lies in his grasp of the biblica
l teaching of the sovereignty of God." 1 In fact, he did not grasp the bibli
cal teaching but distorted it. Calvinism places such an emphasis upon sovere
ig... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 33 A Commendable But Mistaken Zeal
Talbot and Crampton assure us that "The sovereignty of God is ... the most b
asic principle of Calvinism ... the foundation upon which all [including Chr
istianity itself] is built." 10 Boettner agrees: "The basic principle of Cal
vinism is the sovereignty of God." 11 Such fervor for God's sovereignty is c
ommendable. However, in order to make certain that everything is under His c
ontrol to the extent that it must be in order for their doctrine to be consi
stent,... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 887 | 34 人犯罪是不是神的责任？
一、前言
近几年来，在各地有一股“归正”神学，或叫“改革宗”神学的风潮。他们高举“加尔
文主义”的大旗，宣扬绝对的预定论，以维护神的主权自居。这股风潮所到之处，要么
跟着他们“归正”，走改革宗道路，要么就被他们竭力贬低、打压、定位异类、非正统
，因此各地教会纷纷造成内部冲突、分裂。可以这样说，前些年在国内给家庭教会内部
带来最大伤害的是灵恩派的影响，而近几年带来最大伤害的则是改革宗、“归正”神学
带来的冲击。
改革宗神学带来的冲击说到底还是从海外传进来的，且影响最大的源头有两股。一是号
称“新兴基督教国家”，同样给中国带来很大灵恩派冲击的韩国，另一个是某些海外华
人传道人、神学家的极力推广。因为韩国早年曾有长老会宣教士的驻扎，带出一些长老
派的教会，到今天长老派教会走向了两个极端：
一个极端是走向“不信派”的道路，传讲社会福音、新派神学、否定圣经的权威、否定
童女怀孕等神迹，他们把耶稣当成一个伟大的道德楷模而已。他们发扬了加尔文神学的
“无千禧年派”错误观点，否认圣徒被提、否认大灾难和随后主耶稣作王的千年国度将
会真正来到，甚至有人说耶稣早已第二次再来了（Pre... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10575 | 35 Sect. X. — I COULD wish, indeed, that we were furnished with some better
term for this discussion, than this commonly used term, necessity, which
cannot rightly be used, either with reference to the human will, or the
divine. It is of a signification too harsh and ill-suited for this subject,
forcing upon the mind an idea of compulsion, and that which is altogether
contrary to will; whereas, the subject which we are discussing, does not
require such an idea: for Will, whether divine or human, do... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 36 he defined 'total depravity' almost 2000 years before John Calvin. |
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发帖数: 3781 | 37 by Dave Hunt
Confronting A Vital Distinction
For the Calvinist to uphold his extreme view of control, God must be the cau
se of man's total depravity and the negative response it produces. There is
no way to escape this conclusion. If God were not the cause of man's sin, ma
n would be acting independently of God, and that cannot be allowed for anyth
ing in the Calvinist scheme. It follows, then, that "He [God] could ... have
prevented it [the fall and entrance of sin into the world], but He did ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 38
知的心就昏暗了。
21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither
were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened.
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For when they knew God, etc. He plainly testifies here, that God has
presented to the minds of all the means of knowing him, having so manifested
himself by his works, that they must necessarily see what of themselves
they seek not to know — that there is some God; for the world does not by
chance exist, nor could it ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
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1:29装满了各样不义，邪恶，贪婪，恶毒（或作阴毒）。满心是嫉妒，凶杀，争竞，诡
诈，毒恨。
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,
covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity
; whisperers,
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Understand by unrighteousness, the violation of justice among men, by not
rendering to each his due. I have rendered πονηρίαν, according
to the opinion of Ammonium, wickedness; for he teaches us that πονηρο
ν, the wicked, is δραστίκον κακου, the doer of evil. The
word (nequitia) the... 阅读全帖 |
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Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful:
"Without the feelings of humanity are they who have put off the first
affections of nature towards their own relations. As he mentions the want of
mercy as an evidence of human nature being depraved, Augustine, in arguing
against the Stoics, concludes, that mercy is a Christian virtue.
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Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-
suffering[64]; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to
repentance?
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4. Dost thou despise the riches? etc. It does not seem to me, as some think,
that there is here an argument, conclusive on two grounds, (dilemma,) but
an anticipation of an objection: for as hypocrites are commonly transported
with prosperity, as though they had merited the Lord’s kindness by their
good deeds, and become thus more hardened in t... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 887 | 42 罪魁兄好眼力！
罗 3:4 注1 “神必须先使我们信服祂的义，我们才会悔改并信入祂。因此，祂是先被
我们称义，然后，我们才被祂称义。”这处论述按《加尔文预定论》是无法解释的，这
是两大神学体系冲突的地方。然而，越是在这样的冲突里，煎熬中，我们越是需要自己
求问主的道。我们越是容易在这里看见主的容光。
这两大思路已经在我心里争战四天了，感谢主，现在我里面的“关节”已经打通。主给
了我一个看见：《神完整的救恩论》已经含盖了《加尔文五点预定论》！
先请看《加尔文五点预定论》：
1，罪人全面的堕落(the total depravity of the sinners)﹔
2，上帝无条件的拣选(the unconditional election of the Father)﹔
3，基督限定的代赎(the limited atonement of Christ) ﹔
4，圣灵不可抗拒的施恩(irrestible grace of Holy Spirit) ﹔
5，圣徒恒忍蒙保守(the perseverance of saints)。
然而，上述5点与《神完整的救恩论》里的“法理的救赎”部分完全... 阅读全帖 |
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18. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
"In the last clause [103] he repeats again, in other words, what we have
noticed at the beginning — that every wickedness flows from a disregard of
God: for as the principal part of wisdom is the fear of God, when we depart
from that, there remains in us nothing right or pure. In short, as it is a
bridle to restrain our wickedness, so when it is wanting, we feel at liberty
to indulge every kind of licentiousness.
And that these testimonies may not ... 阅读全帖 |
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20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in
his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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20. Therefore by the works of the law, etc. It is a matter of doubt, even
among the learned, what the works of the law mean. Some extend them to the
observance of the whole law, while others confine them to the ceremonies
alone. The addition of the word law induced Chrysostom, Origen, and Jerome
to assent to the latter opinion;[106]for they thought that there is a
pecu... 阅读全帖 |
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r********7
发帖数: 887 | 45 本帖最后由 任大先生 于 2011-11-7 05:05 编辑
罗马书恢复本 3:4 注1 有个论述：神必须先使我们信服祂的义，我们才会悔改并信入
祂。因此，祂是先被我们称义，然后，我们才被祂称义。这处论述按《加尔文预定论》
是无法解释的，然而从《神完整的救恩论》就很容易解释，为什么？我祷告和苦思的结
果是：李常受的《神完整的救恩论》已经含盖了《加尔文5点预定论》！而且罗马书恢
复本 3:4 注1里的问题，是在《救恩论》里（生机的拯救部分）得以解释的。
先请看《加尔文五点预定论》和“法理的救赎”的关系：
1，罪人全面的堕落(the total depravity of the sinners)----我们没有能力去主动
认识神的救赎，然而神的大爱，使独子耶稣的受难与复活，做了赦免了我们罪的赎价。
2，上帝无条件的拣选(the unconditional election of the Father)----这个拣选的
“动作”是个“洗罪”的过程，它是无条件的，我们是被神的容光吸引而开始信他，我
们自己没有做工，也没有值得夸耀的地方。
3，基督限定的代赎(the limited aton... 阅读全帖 |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 46 你把total depravity理解错了...
完全败坏的是人性，也即是通常的道德心。也正因为此，人需要彰显神性来得救。
就仿佛折断翅膀的飞鸟，需要养好翅膀的伤才能重新飞翔。但如果根本就没有
翅膀，比如说是一只青蛙，那怎么也飞不了。
主为什么不在猫狗体内发圣洁的光？人和猫狗有什么不同？主能在猫狗的
体内“做工”吗？
不仅仅是加尔文派，所有教派的神性超越人性都是在这个角度才说得通的。
也正因为此，基督徒才可以理直气壮的说，神命下的杀婴屠城是正义的，
因为神性超越人性，也因为经拣选的人必由彰显神性而永生。 |
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发帖数: 38600 | 47 http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/43910
America is in full-blown crisis. The continuous dysfunction in our
government and culture at large reflect this. The American family has
imploded and hundreds of millions are hooked on psychotropic drugs. Our
national debt is a giant $15 trillion tumor on our economy while the welfare
state explodes. Pornography is omnipresent, 80% of new diseases are STDs,
while 50 million babies have been aborted. Our Arts have fallen into
mindless depravi... 阅读全帖 |
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 48 【 以下文字转载自 BibleStudy 俱乐部 】
发信人: Godwithus (神与我们同在), 信区: BibleStudy
标 题: 海德堡要理问答主日03
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Mar 29 15:06:35 2012, 美东)
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_622134fd01014ogf.html
海德堡要理问答主日03
来自CCWiki华人基督徒百科(Godwithus神同在网)
目录
1 英文版
2 英文2011版
3 赵中辉版
4 钱曜诚版
5 陈达/王志勇版
6 基督教要义圣经课程
7 参考链接
英文版
3. Lord's Day
Q. 6. Did God then create man so wicked and perverse?
A.
By no means;
but God created man good, (a)
and after his own image, (b)
in true righteousness and holiness, that he might rightly know G... 阅读全帖 |
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C*****e
发帖数: 367 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: Glossary to the Westminster Confession
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 24 21:16:33 2012, 美东)
Glossary to the Westminster Confession
Explanations of all archaic and uncommon words, usages, and expressions, in
the order in which they occur.
Title Confession. n. Public statement of religious beliefs.
1.1 Providence. n. Divine care. Manifest. v. Show. Are they. idiom. T
hey are. Unto. prep. With regard to. Sundry. adj. Separate. D... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
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also John Calvin's commentary on 黑暗却不接受光
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom34.vii.i.html
5. And the light shineth in darkness.
It might be objected, that the passages of Scripture in which men are called
blind are so numerous and that the blindness for which they are condemned
is but too well known. For in all their reasoning faculties they miserably
fail. How comes it that there are so many labyrinths of errors in the world,
but because men, by their own guidance, are led only to vanity an... 阅读全帖 |
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