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g*****1
发帖数: 6
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 买 2012 Grand Cherokee Laredo 4WD
4x4 Base, with LAREDO E Group package, 3.6L V-6 cyl, 27500+ttl, CA
x******4
发帖数: 3001
2
2012 Toyota Camry MSRP
Model - 2546 4-DOOR SE SEDAN Base: $23,845.00
Exterior Color - 0040 SUPER WHITE Installed Options: $1,044.00
Interior Color - FF20 BLACK Total: $24,889.00
* Base MSRP includes delivery charge
** Prices subject to change without notice
*** Please refer to vehicle Monroney label for final specifications and
pricing
Standard Features for this model
MECHANICAL & PERFORMANCE INTERIOR
- 2.5L 4-Cyl DOHC 16V w/ Dual VVT-i Engine ... 阅读全帖
y****i
发帖数: 455
3
如题,本州税8%。
感觉很难把价格再压下。
edmunds上invoice价$23,297,MSRP$24,860.这edmunds上的价格不包括税吧?
m***6
发帖数: 8479
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这个价格tiguan的base都能出门了
s*******r
发帖数: 2697
y****i
发帖数: 455
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谢谢。请教:大约多少钱拿下算划得来?
t*****g
发帖数: 7455
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就rav4的破配置
起码减4k下去才能接受
你还是看看crv吧
e**********0
发帖数: 283
8
不值,我的V6引擎,出门价是26200。车大概是24300(具体的忘了)。我在MI。
E********e
发帖数: 39
9
来自主题: Automobile版 - 回国卖车01Accord 10.5K miles (纽约)
2001 Honda Accord VP (Value Package) Sedan
Dark Green,10.5K miles
2.3L 4-cyl. 4-speed Automatic
pros
车很省心,只需要每5k麦oil change。
8w麦时,我换过timing belt,trans fluid,近期一年内换过tire,brake pad,rotor。
买车送Garmin GPS.
cons
2年前被追尾,车后有一个dent(见图)
价钱不好说,说高了,怕被站内同胞喷死,请参考edmunds,craigslist 给我一个
reasonable价钱即可,站内联系,预约看车。
k********e
发帖数: 74
10
Vehicle Highlights:
Price for reference: on KBB 2009 VW New Beetle Convertible, mileage 15924
Sold for $20995.
Only ask for $19990. Price can be negotiated.
First Owner, history clean
Mileage: 7626
Color: Moon Beige
MPG: City 20/Hwy 28
Max Seating: 4
Doors: 2
Engine: 5-Cyl, 2.5 Liter
Drivetrain: FWD
Transmission: Automatic, 6-Spd w/Overdrive & Tiptronic
Body Style: Convertible
Seats: Leather with heating system
Warranty Information: Powertrain 5 years or 60000 miles
Location: Herndon, VA
有兴趣请联系:... 阅读全帖
s****7
发帖数: 48
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 想问下这个价位的Lancer值不值得买
2010 MITSUBISHI LANCER GTS
Price:$15,994
Mileage:20,627 miles
VIN:JA32U8FW4AU027301
Engine:4 Cyl
Transmission:Automatic
Drive:2WD
Body:Sedan
Exterior Color: Black
Interior Color: Black
Fuel:Gasoline
MPG:City 21/Hwy 27
s******6
发帖数: 147
12
来自主题: Automobile版 - 目标CRV或者RAV4,现在inquiring quotes
各位前辈,第一次来美国J1在加州做博后,国内驾照
想买CRV或者RAV4
下面是一个dealer给我的回信,不知道现在RAV4 这个基本型,不知道现在湾区行情,
应该砍到多少合适
HEre is the invoice of one of our vehicles:
18186 VEHICLE INQUIRY REPORT DATE: 03/23/
12
DCV920 TIME: 08:41
Model Number: 4430A SERIAL # :CW112120 Check Code:
5
Model Description: 5-DOOR 4X2 SUV Category ..........: G
Year ............: 2012 Current Dealer ....: 1... 阅读全帖
b********a
发帖数: 27
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我是新到美国的访问学者,访问期限为一年。由于家里离学校太远,就想买一辆二手车
,看到CRAIGSLIST有辆车价格还不错,不知道该不该买。向各位大侠求购买建议:2002
年的,toyota,prius. 价格是4500美元。具体信息如下
CAR INFO: HYBRID. 126,318 miles. 4-Door Sedan. 4-cyl. AUTOMATIC. All the
usual: AC, CD, Navigation, POWER locks, windows, & seats.
MECHANICAL CONDITION: Just had multi-point inspection by Toyota; had them
put in new battery, new front break pads, new left wheel bearing, & oil
change. Now needs some minor attention: spark plugs, wiper blades, cabin
filter, & coolant flush.
自己不懂车,... 阅读全帖
c*******n
发帖数: 1082
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 求2012 sienna LE AWD chicago附近的quote
到目前最好的quote,砍不动了,有几个dealer都不回信了,板上有在这附近买车的吗
?该不该出手了
2012 Sienna LE AWD 6 cyl.
MSRP: $33,285
promotion price: $30,152
OTD price: 32,317
t*****g
发帖数: 7455
15
来自主题: Automobile版 - 请推荐30k$以内的大车
2012 Honda Odyssey 3.5 L, 6 cyl, Automatic 6-spd, Regular Gasoline
City19
Combined22
Highway 28
首选啊,两田日车,v6,动力足够,比很多4肛都省油,30k以下
r****n
发帖数: 79
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 请给这辆车估个价
USED 2007 Ford Focus
Bodystyle 4 door Sedan
Engine2.0L I-4 cyl
Ext. ColorPueblo Gold
Mileage84,031
Vin1FAFP34N77W254086
Model CodeP34
女生,东北小城,主要就是希望能买来上学以及去2-3个小时车程的地方.谢谢啦~~~
h******r
发帖数: 35
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 这个Mazda3的二手车值吗?
Year: 2008
Make: Mazda
Model: 3i touring, high end model in 3 series
Mileage: ~40k
Engine: 4-cyl 2.0
Specs: 手自一体automatic with manual override, ABS(4-wheel), AC of
course, 皮椅leather seats, 巡航cruise control, 遥控keyless entry, 能想到的全
都是自动的power everything,能加的气囊都加了extra safe with dual front&side
airbags, 滑动/倾斜天窗Sliding sun roof with tilting function, 运动型的车轮,
配备胎压监测alloy sporty wheels(17 inches) with Tire Pressure Monitoring
System,
六CD六音箱音响兼容MP3(6-CD with MP3 compatibility, pr... 阅读全帖
g********b
发帖数: 8461
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碰到这个只能说LZ倒霉,一般master cyl坏的几率是1/1000以上,这玩艺不是设计问题
而是就这个零件有问题。换掉就好了,不用担心。一般如果一辆车连续出现3次质量问
题可以要求dealer给你换辆新车。
x***i
发帖数: 61
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目标是Tiguan, RDX, 或者 Infiniti, 结果算了一下,Infiniti居然最高配算下来要
$46,000左右了,去年打听过一次,差不多是$42,000左右,涨了太多了。所以打算放
弃。
然后算了一下 Tiguan 和 RDX,大家能帮忙看一下这个价格靠谱吗?已经去看了一家
Tiguan 前驱最高配,给出价格是36,600左右, 打算按下面的公式还价到 $35,167,
应该不难吧?有谁最近买Tiguan 或者RDX了吗?可以给个价格参考一下吗? 这两个车
哪个比较好?不懂车,求指教。
2012 Volkswagen Tiguan SUV SEL 前驱最高配,
(2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo AWD 6-speed Automatic w/Premium Nav,sunroof, Rearview
Camera)
Total MSRP = $35815
Base MSRP= $34995
Invoice (include options)=$34415
Rebates = $0
Holdback (dealer's profit) = 2% ... 阅读全帖
x***i
发帖数: 61
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目标是Tiguan, RDX, 或者 Infiniti, 结果算了一下,Infiniti居然最高配算下来要
$46,000左右了,去年打听过一次,差不多是$42,000左右,涨了太多了。所以打算放
弃。
然后算了一下 Tiguan 和 RDX,大家能帮忙看一下这个价格靠谱吗?已经去看了一家
Tiguan 前驱最高配,给出价格是36,600左右, 打算按下面的公式还价到 $35,167,
应该不难吧?有谁最近买Tiguan 或者RDX了吗?可以给个价格参考一下吗? 这两个车
哪个比较好?不懂车,求指教。
2012 Volkswagen Tiguan SUV SEL 前驱最高配,
(2.0L 4-cyl. Turbo AWD 6-speed Automatic w/Premium Nav,sunroof, Rearview
Camera)
Total MSRP = $35815
Base MSRP= $34995
Invoice (include options)=$34415
Rebates = $0
Holdback (dealer's profit) = 2% ... 阅读全帖
m**********o
发帖数: 7
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来自主题: Automobile版 - CAMRY SE 2012 MSRP24425 OTD23750 FINAL22000
刚刚DCH回来。
2012 Toyota CAMRY SE 4 CYL
标准配置基础上加了Power Driver Seat, Remote Control Starter
MSRP 24425 最后经过一翻博弈 OTD 23750 成交。
1000 Student Rebate从不提及,就在上面那个价钱成交办手续的时候出示材料对方会
做了交给银行。
另外,经过7个小时的刷新,昨晚在Edmunds刷了个750刀的coupon
也就是说,最终是22000拿下。如果没有遗漏,这是我在车版看到的最低价(其它低于
这个的好像没有PD的。
d****d
发帖数: 155
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来自主题: Automobile版 - DC卖车 - 2010 Civic sedan LX 仅7000Mile
卖车!
2010年银色Honda Civic Sedan,LX, 购于2010年10月,跑了不到7000 Male,具体配
置太多了,麻烦自己找一下。车在DC附近(Rockville)。
这车才用了1年半(2010年10月买的),开了不到7000迈,通勤坐地铁,只有买菜和周末
出门才开车。车况就算不说Excellent,怎么样也得very good。车尾有一块划痕,车门
在停车场被人碰了一个小坑。别的问题没有了。
KBB报价 Excellent $16,758;Very Good $16,258,Good $15,758。
http://www.kbb.com/honda/civic/2010-honda-civic/lx-sedan-4d/?ve
edmunds报价 Outstanding $15,744。
http://www.edmunds.com/honda/civic/2010/tmv-appraise-results.ht
nadaguides报价 Average Trade-In $14,250;Clean Trade-In $15,750;Clean R... 阅读全帖
m******t
发帖数: 77
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 这种二手车骗局会是怎样的?
我前两天在new orleans 的cg上看到一个超级便宜的二手车deal,2000年carmy 98k才
要$1,800.发信过去问了一下为什么这么便宜卖车。回信说她丈夫两个月前死了,可能
是睹物思人,想尽快处理掉。然后我就跟她要vin以及安排试车,今天给我回信说她已
经搬到外地了,把车交给ebay motors处理了,如果有兴趣的话把我的shipping
address和phone给她,她会安排处理。说是The shipping cost is included in the
total price of the car,也没要钱,还强调You have 5 days to test it and
inspect the car
想一想很大可能是个骗局。不过我已经把shipping address和phone给她了,毕竟还是
抱有一丝幻想。也不是贪便宜,主要是这个车对我挺合适的,我在信中还强调这个车不
止这么多,试过车后如果满意可以多付。
现在我倒是很有兴趣看看如果是个骗局的话大概是怎么进行,反正见到车前我不pay任
何东西,这样应该就可以了吧。大伙帮我支个招有其它什么要防备的没
... 阅读全帖
f*******c
发帖数: 33
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今天在dealer的网站看到一辆06年CRV LX, 4 door, 2.4 4 Cyl, Automatic。 快41000
迈,报价13999. 不知道能砍到多少呢。求意见。
t***3
发帖数: 778
25
来自主题: Automobile版 - Camry 2012 LE 大概什么价
老美买SE的多,买LE的少。
2012 Toyota Camry LE 2.5L 4-cyl. 6-speed Automatic with power seat
价格在$20,500 - $21,500,加上TTL就是出门价。
s******a
发帖数: 543
26
来自主题: Automobile版 - 宝马新 N20 发动机很牛啊
似乎比 N52 直六性能上强出几条街啊。
N20 vs. N52 328i dyno comparison, and tuned N20 dyno
HP: 233 vs 189
Torque: 241 vs 173
Tune 之后, N20 更是达到 278hp, 289 lb-ft
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612769
The Kelleners N20 tune achieves 294 hp and 310 lb-ft torque (420 Nm), a +49
hp and +52 lb-ft gain over factory quoted figures.
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=611684
这性能直逼 N55 了吧。
新的 328i, 528i, 0-60 比以前的 快了 0.5s - 0.6s, 很不错啊。
http://bimmerboost.com/content.php?2195-The-N52-six-cylind... 阅读全帖
i****a
发帖数: 36252
27
来自主题: Automobile版 - 问两个手动挡问题
1. "用离合控制不溜坡" very bad habit. always use hand break
2. depends on how fast you need to accelerate. and different cars have
different optimal rpm range for upshift. for a typical 4 cyl engine car, 3k~
3.5k sounds fine for normal local driver. for merging onto freeway maybe 4k
rpm. it all depends
g********b
发帖数: 8461
28

不是有阻力就行了的。你把引擎发动起来怠速,用力踩住刹车,用力hold住,至少1分
钟以上,踏板是应该停在一个地方不动,如果慢慢往下沉一直沉到地板,那就是master
cyl坏了。
c******m
发帖数: 1140
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 弱弱的问一下:BMW 335i VS Acura TL
BMW 335i 6-Cyl, Turbo, 3.0 Liter, 2013

Acura TL V6, VTEC, 3.5 Liter with technology package
哪个值得买?
弱弱的问
z****g
发帖数: 2128
30
来自主题: Automobile版 - 弱弱的问一下:BMW 335i VS Acura TL
BMW 335i 6-Cyl, Turbo, 3.0 Liter, 2013
j*****1
发帖数: 78
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正在考虑买辆二手车,15,000以内。本人没开过宝马,也没开过手动。
请问这辆车是个好deal吗?
2005 BMW X5 3.0I
VIN:
5UXFA13585LB09639
Mileage:
54,800
Transmission:
Manual
Exterior Color:
Green
Engine:
6 Cyl
Listed:
101 days ago
Drive Type:
AWD
Body Style:
SUV
Fuel:
Gasoline
Interior Color:
Tan
t******6
发帖数: 9093
32
来自主题: Automobile版 - 这个deal好不好?
For sale
2003 Toyota Corolla LE
Clean title, fuel save; Blue color
4-Cyl, 1.8 Liter; Automatic; FWD; Air Conditioning; Cruise control
Power Window; Power Door Lock; Power Steering; AM/FM; CD
Dural Airbag; Mileage: 69700 mile
New Front brake rotors and pads (Less than 3000 miles)
New transmission fluid and filter
New oil change
KBB Price (private party): Very Good: 9,625; Good: 9,400 Dollar; Fair 8,475
Good condition ASK: 7,800 Dollar
You may see the car at Bethesda NIH campus Monday to Frida... 阅读全帖
t******6
发帖数: 9093
33
来自主题: Automobile版 - 这个2004corolla 的deal呢?
2004 Toyota Corolla LE Sedan 4D, Gold, 99,000 miles, available July 1st.
-4 Cyl, 1.8 Liter
-Automatic Transmission
-Air Conditioning, Power Windows, Power Door Locks, Cruise Control
-Dual Airbags
-AM/FM Stereo, CD
Very good condition, KBB price $7428. Asking for $7200 OBO
也在Maryland Bethasda
m*****u
发帖数: 1342
34
来自主题: Automobile版 - 2012 camry跑了2000多了,mpg还在21
You can reset it. It was above 25 for me (4 cyl)) for first 1500 miles, then
after a body shop work, now it dropped to about 23 (about 500 miles)
e*****e
发帖数: 68
35
在6/30买的,6月及半年的最后一天,最后以33300成交, incentive包括1000 cash
rebate, 由于Credit比较好,贷款利率为1.89%,另外加TLL以及手续费, OTD $36820.
个人觉得还是不错,下面是配置信息.
MSRP
$39,010
Dealer Discount
-$3,242
Sale Price
$35,768
Bodystyle
4 door SUV
Engine
3.6L V-6 cyl
leather seat
Quick Order Package 26X ($5,300)
Laredo E Group ($2,000)
Off Road Adventure I ($950)
(比较喜欢这个 Quadra-Trac II 4WD System)
Trailer Tow Group ($595)
Additional Options
50 State Emissions
Cargo Compartment Cover
Engine: 3.6L V6 24V VVT Flex Fuel
Premium Leather Trimmed... 阅读全帖
w**********s
发帖数: 50
36
打算出手2012 Honda Accord Sedan 2.4L,4-cyl. w/o navi。发邮件问了几家dealer
的OTD价格。分别说了他们的价格(有的标明说是E-price,有的没具体说是什么价格)
。最高的报价是$27436, 最低的是 $25100。
请问网价和零售价有什么不一样吗?如果零售价的话,现在出手买多少钱合适?望大家
给个意见哦,谢谢啦!p.s. 本人在中西部,7%的税。
f****t
发帖数: 15913
37
4 cyl engine on a minivan is a joke. Only toyota is able to manufacture
this kind of joke van.
0-60 in 9.9s. Your family is in great danger when you try to merge into
highway.
a******g
发帖数: 13519
38
来自主题: Automobile版 - Car for Sale Honda Accord LX 2002 (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Minnesota 讨论区 】
发信人: welovemaomao (世上本没有经典,装得人多了,也就有了经典), 信区: Minnesota
标 题: Car for Sale Honda Accord LX 2002
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 6 11:04:58 2012, 美东)
4-Cyl, VTEC, 2.3 Liter
Power Steering
Tilt Wheel
AM/FM Stereo
CD (Single Disc)
Automatic
Front Wheel DriveWD
Air Conditioning
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Cruise Control
Dual Air Bags
Steel Wheels
Mileage: 119748
Price: $6800
Please contact me @ kevin8xiao@gmaildotcom
MORE PICS CAN BE SENT UPON REQUEST
w*****6
发帖数: 34
39
不是,应该是4-Cyl, 2.5 Liter。1.8的问题不会在这个上出现
还有其他可能问题么
y*********8
发帖数: 24
40
来自主题: Automobile版 - 拜托大家帮忙看看这辆车能买么?
拜托大家帮忙看看这辆车能买么?女生,想买个自动挡的车上学买菜,其他的我实在是
不懂,又怕上当受骗,只能靠大家啦!
2005 Honda Accord EX
Mileage: 100K miles
Price:$8,900
Original owner, clean title, no accident, nothing wrong with it before,
always garaged and service done at local Honda,Brand new hankook tires.
Car Options: 4 cyl, Auto, FWD, 6 disk CD changer, Sirius satellite radio,
moonroof, AC, rear spoiler, rubber floor mats..
今天去看了下车,试驾了,开着感觉还可以。希望大家给点意见啊!
s*****r
发帖数: 223
41
来自主题: Automobile版 - RAV4 4 Cyl 2WD base 报价
南部穷州
网上询问了几家
一家213XX
另外一家223XX
用了graduate student discount 1000
213XX是不是可以买了? 看起来是这个版报价比较低的。
h**********e
发帖数: 164
42
来自主题: Automobile版 - 新手买车的信息收集
纯新手,刚刚到美国,在craigslist上看二手车。看到如下信息之后,因该接着问那些
信息呢?掌握到什么情况之后就可以去看车呢?多谢多谢。
2002 Toyota Corolla LE Clean Title - $5000 (san jose west)
Date: 2012-08-01, 4:53PM PDT
Reply to: 5**************[email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]
Selling it because I plan to get a new car.
Very well maintained, very good condition. Never had any problems. Looks &
drives great. Never seen snow, No accident, Non-smoker, 2 owners. Very clean
inside & outside.
Body Style: Sedan
Doors: 4
Engine: 4-Cyl, 1.8 Lit... 阅读全帖
p******y
发帖数: 3523
43
【 以下文字转载自 NewJersey 讨论区 】
发信人: panpandy (dypanpan), 信区: NewJersey
标 题: 【卖车】2007 Chevrolet Cobalt LT 2D -44420 Miles
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Aug 19 19:59:40 2012, 美东)
2007 Chevrolet Cobalt LT 2D,黑色,44420 miles, 定期保养,无事故,车况上乘。
- 发动机: 4-Cyl, 2.2 Liter
- 自动档
- 四轮ABS
- Sun Roof
- Power door lock
- Power Eterior Mirrors
Asking $9000,价格可议。
站内信联络。
BTW,照片是2010买车的时候拍的,当时是GM certified car,连我共有2个车主
z******t
发帖数: 12
44
1994 Acura Integra 2 door hatchback - black (automatic transmission), 126,
000 mileage
照片由于上传限制,比较小。感兴趣可以向我发信索要大图。
Owned for 5 years, very well maintained. No repair needed.
Very low mileage considering the years, and it is perfect for anybody who is
on budget and wants a nice car for regular commuting and leisure outing.
LS Sports Coupe. kbb estimated for ~$2400
Engine:4-Cyl, 1.8 Liter
Drivetrain:FWD
Comfort and Convenience:
Air Conditioning
Power Windows
Power Door Locks
Cruise Control
Safety ... 阅读全帖
w***j
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 有人最近quote Accord SE吗?
in Bay area Accord 4 cyl SE OTD price about 222000
m*****y
发帖数: 330
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有个dealer报$18.5k+ttl,这个合适吗?
另外下面的这个怎么用?多谢!
$1,000 Rogue Special Edition Package Savings $1,000 Rogue Special Edition
Package Savings only available on Rogue S with Special Edition Package.
Package Savings based on MSRP of individual options if purchased separately.
Dealer sets actual price.
f****t
发帖数: 15913
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Assume 2 cars have the same weight, shape and transmission.
On highway, at the same speed, a 2.7L highlander will rev close to 3.5/2.7X
the rev speed of a 3.5L.
You do not save gas on highway with a 2.7L.
You will save gas only if the car does not run in top gear.
A 4 cyl is never a good choice for a midsize SUV or a minivan.
p*****n
发帖数: 97
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刚买了一份consumer report关于车的专辑,好像很多大的连锁商店都有卖的。其中
family sedans and wagons的排名:
1. Camry Hydrid xle
2. Prius V three
3. Camry Le
4. Subaru Legacy 2.5i premium
5. Kia Optima Lx 2.4
5. Jetty sport wagen TDI (man)
6. Mazda6 i Sport (4 cyl)
7. Mazda5 grand touring
8. Hyundai Sonata GLS(2.4)
9. Jetta Sportwagen SE 2.5
10 Kia Optima Sx 2.0T
11. Hyundai Sonata Ltd 2.0T
12 Mazda6 sgrand touring v6
13. Subaru Legacy 3.6 R Ltd.
以上都是推荐的。排名从高到低。
y***e
发帖数: 80
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来自主题: Automobile版 - 这个MB GLKdeal 行吗?
车况:2011Mercedes-Benz GLK350
Mileage: 16,661
Transmission: Automatic
Exterior Color: Gray
Engine: 6 Cyl
Drive Type: AWD
Body Style: SUV
Fuel: Gasoline
Features:
4-Wheel Disc Brakes, AM/FM, Adjustable Steering Wheel, Air Conditioning,
Anti-lock Brakes, Anti-theft System, Automatic Headlights, Aux Audio
Adapter, Bench Seat, Bucket Seats, CD (Single Disc), Child Safety Locks,
Cruise Control, Daytime Running Lights, Engine Immobilizer, Floor Mats, Fog
Lights, Front Airbags (Dual), Front and Rear ... 阅读全帖
y***e
发帖数: 80
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车况:2011Mercedes-Benz GLK350
Mileage: 16,661
Transmission: Automatic
Exterior Color: Gray
Engine: 6 Cyl
Drive Type: AWD
Body Style: SUV
Fuel: Gasoline
Features:
4-Wheel Disc Brakes, AM/FM, Adjustable Steering Wheel, Air Conditioning,
Anti-lock Brakes, Anti-theft System, Automatic Headlights, Aux Audio
Adapter, Bench Seat, Bucket Seats, CD (Single Disc), Child Safety Locks,
Cruise Control, Daytime Running Lights, Engine Immobilizer, Floor Mats, Fog
Lights, Front Airbags (Dual), Front and Rear ... 阅读全帖
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