L****e
发帖数: 499 | 1 http://blog.sciencenet.cn/blog-385748-864960.html
12月份过生日时，生日礼物主要是一大堆好消息，最好的是儿子被美东一名校医学院第
一批录取。
真为宝贝儿子骄傲。
当然为他考上这样好的医学院骄傲，但主要是为他已显示出一个男子汉应有的品质而骄
傲。
儿子从小就可看出心地善良。天生就有同情心恻隐心。我一直不断强化，从小学起一有
机会就带他查房看病人，让他知道病人的痛苦，特别是那些贫穷的病人，尤其是那些贫
穷痛苦的小病人，让他知道世界上还有多少受苦人、穷人、可怜的人。儿子还有个很大
的优点尤其适合当医生：和谁都混得来，对谁都好，谁都喜欢他。同时，他非常为我这
医生老爸自豪，我永远都是他的榜样。子承父业视乎是理所当然的。
在美国考college的时候，我和儿子最后选定了一所比较有名的college，倒不是看其排
名，而是这学校有个直接转医学院项目。你在college的成绩只要全A，就可毕业后免考
AMCT直接去读另一所排名全美排名30左右的医学院。
可是，可是。优点有时可以带来麻烦。一上大学，儿子由于对人好，大家都喜欢，主动
被动的担当了许多公共... 阅读全帖 |
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o****e
发帖数: 195 | 2 littletigger, good to have you back... sorry that i mistyped your id.
still one more to go, crim law, on monday.
actually if you have PhD, it's not hard to get clerkship for a fed dist judge
dealing with IP cases, they will love to have you -- check with the career
service at your school. You might also want to try CA, NY, or DC, where most
IP cases are litigated. the down side is that these jobs are free labor.
firm.
me
to
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o****e
发帖数: 195 | 3 littletigger, no big deal :) you will get something.
when i was looking for work, i got hundreds of rejections. rejections are
good -- they toughen you up and make you more motivated.
don't give up the clerkship, it will be a star bullet on your resume. an
academic sister of mine (chem phd) had to work for free for a fed judge during
1L, and the judge gave her some hot recommendations, and she got offers during
her first round of 2L interview, on the site. now she is laughing at all the
top |
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l**********r
发帖数: 240 | 4 最后好象干什么的都有，包括去卖当劳，第一份工作多数是和LAW有关的。
外国人不能做clerk吗？？我有个朋友好象申请了judicial clerkship，
他也是个F-1学生。你给firm做clerk他们多半愿意，当paralegal PAY的那种，基础不好
的话就先打基础。
回国怎么样？JonesDayShangHai, for example. |
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n******e
发帖数: 24 | 5 How about a clerkship with a State judge at Manhattan? To what extent would
that be appreciated by the megafirms in NYC?
get
a
important, |
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O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 6 Does anyone know the callback to offer ratio for Chinese in following firms (
all NY office, for
2006 Summer Associate).
Debevoise & Plimpton
Gibson Dunn
O'Melveny & Myers
Paul Weiss
Shearman & Sterling
Simpson Thatcher
Sullivan & Cromwell
I am a 2L in top20 law school, GPA 3.8/4, law journal, summer law clerkship.
I got ding from Davis Polk already. Had CB interview with three firms last
week, but haven't heard back from any of them.
Usually how long does it take them to extend an offer? Does B |
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O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 7 It's all over all the law blogs.
Yul Kwon, ABK, Stanford, Yale Law, 2nd Circuit clerkship, now a MC at
McKinsey. Far out, right? |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 8 Many, many law students would take a $50K clerkship or a DOJ job over a $
160K firm job. |
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r**********n
发帖数: 47 | 9 the numbers are correct. I know quite a few people who will do public
interest or work for the government, both of which don't pay well. But the
jobs they have can be very exciting. On the other hand, the best students
usually opt for clerkship and eventually become law professors or get paid
big bucks at a private firm.
Compared to MBA students and Medical students, lawyers don't get paid as
well. MBAs easily start above $150K as a consultant, Doctors with specialty
make above $300K normally. I |
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 10 The judiciary is usually not considered part of the government. I'm surprised someone with a circuit court clerkship is not clear on this distinction. |
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a*******u
发帖数: 31 | 11 I thought you were talking about public interest work in general. As of
federal government, I don't know about DOJ, but I had a friend who worked in
HHS who had green card but was not a citizen. In fed government, there are
two types of jobs: contractor and federal employee. You generally don't need
citizenship to be a contractor, except national security related positions.
surprised someone with a circuit court clerkship is not clear on this
distinction. |
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D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 12 Come on. NW is still a top law school.
I don't think students from NW will have any difficulty in finding a good
job.
If you are aiming for judicial clerkship, NYU maybe a much better choice.
year |
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l*********h
发帖数: 77 | 13 summercd, i'm still around, haven't graduated yet and am doing time at a
firm this summer. responding to your original question, i think school rank
matters, but, as you probably already know, is not outcome determinative.
take U of Maryland for example, since you mentioned it, I met a few U of MD
law school grads last summer. one was clerking for a federal judge and had
a WilmerHale DC offer in hand; another went to Hogan DC after his clerkship.
they are doing better than some of the harva |
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k****a
发帖数: 309 | 14 how urgent and necessary to transfer?
I think unless you are in top 5
there is always the question
to transfer or not
I know ppl jumped from tier 3 to top 20
and top 14 to top 5
if you are top 10% in you class (not in top 5)
should you transfer?
what are the pro's and con's
rank
MD
had
clerkship.
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D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 15 If you are a citizen, you should try to clerk for Federal judges.
Some law firms offer extra bonus for incoming judicial clerks.
Of course Supreme Court Clerkship is the highest honor for a law student.
My dream ！！！ Too bad I am not a citizen. |
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L***d
发帖数: 154 | 16 I think the current rate is more like 80K/year plus 60K clerkship bonus in
competitive markets. |
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b******n
发帖数: 1269 | 17 If you want to go into politics. Yes. If not, it's useless. In the first
2 years at a firm, there is some prestige attached to a clerkship, but it
has less than 1% effect on whether you can make partner -- will get your
chance from 4% to 4.04%. Partnership is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$ |
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k****a
发帖数: 309 | 18 Now here is why I asked the clerk question:
most foreign law students are either not interested in or not eligible for
clerkships
foreign students should see a somewhat different landscape in law school
ranking
since some schools are ranked high because they produce lots of clerks but
are bad in IP, M/A, etc
prior experience. most clerks start at GS-11 step 1 of the federal
government pay scale (you can look up the exact salary number here based on
your location: http://www.opm.gov/oca/07table |
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n***e
发帖数: 461 | 19 after first year most people don't find paid internship anyway. second year
summer working for for public interest/clerkship isn't uncommon. although
you might be disadvantaged somehow, just try to get the best position you
can get, and I think you should be fine. |
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l****e
发帖数: 63 | 20 也请大家帮助分析一个选校的问题，地方局限在DC，所以只申了几个DC学校，现在有
GULC和GWU的admission，都是parttime。
现在在一小IP firm工作，对这个方向还是比较喜欢，当然也没接触过law的其它方向，
所以也不知道别的会不会更喜欢。
GULC总体排名好些，T14，听说clerkship的机会比较多，但GWU也不错，排名19，而且
IP很强。
综上所述，很难选择，请教大家意见。 |
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c*********n
发帖数: 52 | 21 Interesting. I am surprised to see that GULC's numbers are lower than I
expected and Vandy's numbers higher. GULC's number is low, probably because
this number does not count # of clerks. At my school (which is a
comparable national school to GULC), we had about 10% of students in my
class taking COA clerkships. Vandy is well respected in the south, and
probably places well in the Atlanta and Texas markets, and to the lesser
extent, DC. UMinn is also a regional school and probably places well |
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c*********r
发帖数: 17 | 22 Clerkship accounts for 15% of the class at GULC and 10% at Vandy.
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s*****e
发帖数: 6 | 23 Wish you the best of luck. If you decide to go part-time, try study as a
full-time student.
To finish in three years, you might be thinking of taking some classes
during summers. Still, I recommend you to use the summers to find either
court clerkships or law firm internships. These experience would be far more
worthy than finishing early. |
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D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 24 You do know that many Harvard graduates get into public interest or clerk
for judges right after they graduate. Those jobs don't get paid well, but
they are highly desirable for Harvard and Yale students. Harvard has an
excellent loan repayment program that allows its students to do public
interest work.
The average salary of UChicago or UMich is higher than Harvard's precisely
because not many students there are interested in public interest or
clerkship.
Princeton
Harvard
Grads
You
like
liste |
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p*******r
发帖数: 145 | 25 http://abajournal.com/news/paychecks_rose_to_a_median_of_108k_f
Paychecks Rose to a Median of $108K for 2007 Law Grads in Law Firms
Posted Jul 28, 2008, 09:03 am CDT
By Debra Cassens Weiss
Median pay for 2007 law grads who went into private practice has surpassed
the $100,000 mark, but salaries for their counterparts in other legal jobs
still pale in comparison.
The median annual salary for new law grads in private practice was $108,500,
a jump of $13,000 over 2006, according to new survey resul... 阅读全帖 |
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a***a
发帖数: 204 | 26 不是毕业后的clerkship，是1年级暑假的internship
都是给法官干活 |
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 27 你自己找个周围法院的judge list，然后一个一个往他们clerk office cold call 去
问。 |
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O**n
发帖数: 649 | 29 h1b unlikely for state jobs. no case heard. |
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j****i
发帖数: 496 | 30 State government can sponsor H1B. I know many people working in different
state governments under H1B. You should check with the HR person during the
interview. |
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o*********s
发帖数: 275 | 32 The way you asked the question is fairly interesting. You probably
successfully made all those who are not working in "big NYC and DC firms"
shut up. Or maybe you don't want their advice in the first place? |
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n********8
发帖数: 12 | 33 Not at all. I would love anyone's advice. I was just trying to describe the
nature of the firm so that you guys can give me more informed advice. I'm
just guessing regional firms and big national firms might be different in
some aspects. And I happen to know many friends here are from top law
schools and work or clerk at big national firms.
What's your advice on this situation? |
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C*****8
发帖数: 122 | 34 The letter could mean anything. It may be a standard letter going out to all
applicants because the law firm cannot foresee the next summer's needs yet
and need more time; or it could be that this particular partner really like
you. Nobody can really tell.
But it certainly helps to express your interests once again. If you've
learned more about the firm's practice or have been following their major
matters, do mention it and specify how you may contribute. In a normal year
I'd tell them I'v |
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C*****8
发帖数: 122 | 35 Also, I find it annoying to be called 前辈 most of the time. In Asian
culture, elderly and experienced are respected and honored. But here,
people don't necessarily have a positive reaction when being called older.
Kissing ass in this culture is more subtle. In Asia, deferring to seniors
is always considered respectful; here people might think you just cannot
stand up for yourself. What people do here is exchange ideas freely with
seniors and express their own thoughts, while subtly agreeing |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 36 I certainly prefer to be called mm. :)
每次被叫姐姐都让我无奈的记起自己有多老了。
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o*********s
发帖数: 275 | 38 From what I heard: For federal courts in continental US, you need to be a
citizen or from certain kinds of ally countries (China is not one of them).
GC is good for state courts. But you probably don't want to do clerkship in
state courts. |
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L***d
发帖数: 154 | 39 For internship/externship, you don't need CPT, since you generally will not
be paid as a judicial intern/extern.
Also remember you should be able to get credits toward your J.D. degree by
doing judicial internship/externship.
For clerkship, it depends. |
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a*******a
发帖数: 366 | 40 Is China a treaty-allied country of US?
If the citizenship is not required, how about green card?
Thanks. |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 41 我问过类似的问题
基本上回答是，federal court没戏，state court可以试试运气 |
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O**n
发帖数: 649 | 42 Is China a treaty-allied country of US?
let's think about that. |
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m****e
发帖数: 160 | 43 No offense, but I'm often amazed by the fact that many people do not
understand the agenda that law school is a professional school, confers a
professional degree, and prepares the students for a very specific
profession.
念法学院就要有念技校的觉悟和出来之后做技工的心理准备，别的说什么都是白搭。
至于法学院的教职（full research professor），稍好一些的学校的基本要求是这样
的：在校期间成绩拔尖，law review，毕业以后联邦巡回庭一级的clerkship，知名律
所3-5年的工作经验。顶级学校一般还会额外要求一个别的学科的硕士或博士学位。目
前为止除了我那些已经功德圆满的教授们，我认识的有潜力走这条路的同学或者师兄师
姐一只手数得过来，而且他们都是土生土长的老美。楼主有多少机会可以自己掂量。 |
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c***d
发帖数: 80 | 44 We typically hire people who have finished law school, particularly those
with clerkship experience. We mostly do litigation, so patent bar alone does
not help much if anything. |
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V*****r
发帖数: 216 | 45 Since OP’s first post was around 2010, he should have finished J.D., but he
probably got bad advice and went to a bad school.
What's probability for a liberal art major, but has a strong law school
credentials (at Arts. III clerkship level) to get into a patent litigation
boutique?
does |
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c***d
发帖数: 80 | 46 I would say your federal court clerkship is a great plus, either at the
district or circuit level. There are many people with liberal arts
background handling patent litigations, and they often do a great job.
Having said that, a technical background is always looked at favorably by
potential employers.
Going to a lesser-recognized school is risky, but it is not automatically a
death sentence. All boils down to the whole package.
You may also want to try soft IP, like trademark and copyright.
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c***d
发帖数: 80 | 47 We typically hire people who have finished law school, particularly those
with clerkship experience. We mostly do litigation, so patent bar alone does
not help much if anything. |
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V*****r
发帖数: 216 | 48 Since OP’s first post was around 2010, he should have finished J.D., but he
probably got bad advice and went to a bad school.
What's probability for a liberal art major, but has a strong law school
credentials (at Arts. III clerkship level) to get into a patent litigation
boutique?
does |
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c***d
发帖数: 80 | 49 I would say your federal court clerkship is a great plus, either at the
district or circuit level. There are many people with liberal arts
background handling patent litigations, and they often do a great job.
Having said that, a technical background is always looked at favorably by
potential employers.
Going to a lesser-recognized school is risky, but it is not automatically a
death sentence. All boils down to the whole package.
You may also want to try soft IP, like trademark and copyright.
h... 阅读全帖 |
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A*****W
发帖数: 382 | 50 你想比较老美还是比较中国人。
比较老美JD，先比较CLERKSHIP，然后再看大大小小的律所受雇情况，老美给它的综合评价还是14名上下。比较中国人JD，我心目中T14去掉康乃尔后，再加上UCLA和UTA，康乃尔排15以后。
算了，楼主问LLM。
康乃尔LLM目前大约8万5/年学费，就我认识的国内普通小本，托福87分和96分的两个中国人去年前年都被康大录取了。 |
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