w**a
发帖数: 3510 | 1 by Pete Bodo from tennis.com
Some of you may take this as yet another post having to do with the recent
controversies in Madrid, but I tell you truthfully that I've been wanting to
write about Rafael Nadal for some time now. More specifically, I've wanted
to work through why I don't feel as sympathetic toward him as I once did. A
thought that occurred to me a few days ago, during the height of the
brouhaha over blue, probably holds to key to why my reaction to his opinions
and complaints over th... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 2 nadal 2008 2010都是
当然borg在法网也搞过两次
在法网历史上一共发生过5次，没啥新鲜的
谁要能一盘不失拿美网还比较有趣 |
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d***i
发帖数: 388 | 3 http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/french-open-champion-rafa
A day after making history by winning his seventh French Open title, Rafael
Nadal awoke Tuesday in Paris to discover a watch worth $374,000 had been
stolen, Le Parisien newspaper reported.
The watch, which Nadal was wearing after his victory Monday, was lent to the
Spanish tennis sensation by the luxury brand Richard Mille for the
competition.
Nadal discovered the watch was missing when he woke up at his central Paris
hotel, accordi... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 4 Roddick #1的时候也只有21岁2个月。关键是Hewitt这个纪录不是很有优势，
所以统计上讲说你说的这几个条件不是很难实现，比如4年后。
20岁第一的：Hewitt, Safin
21岁第一的：McEnroe, Roddick, Borg, Courier, Sampras, Connors
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 7 那就得像borg一样，早点退役。说不玩，就不玩了。 |
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l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 9 统计数据一钱不值，仅供娱乐，不欢迎攻击球员，不管攻击的是谁
data source: atpworldtour.com
career 胜率 (Overall/Grand slam/ATP Masters)
borg 0.827/0.898/0
nadal 0.827/0.877/0.830
federer 0.816/0.871/0.772
connors 0.818/0.826/0.455
lendl 0.818/0.819/0.556
j. mcenroe 0.815/0.815/0.542
laver 0.795/0.857/0.000
djokovic 0.787/0.831/0.782
sampras 0.774/0.842/0.731
agassi 0.760/0.809/0.74
Edberg 0.749/0.791/0.720
murray 0.752/0.775/0.705
roddick 0.743/0.744/0.695
hewitt 0.726/0.730/0.661 |
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l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 10 最变态的是Borg的大满贯胜率，0.898
…… |
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M******k
发帖数: 84 | 11 Borg其实比较聪明，发现自己巅峰过了，打不过McEnroe了，就马上退役了。他这个变
态的胜率估计是没有人能破了。 |
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l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 12 统计数据一文不值，仅供娱乐，不欢迎攻击球员，不管攻击的是谁
data source: atpworldtour.com
title:
federer 75/17/20
borg 64/11/0
nadal 50/11/21
djokovic 30/5/11
murray 22/0/8
sampras 64/14/11
agassi 59/8/16
connors 108/8/0
lendl 92/8/0
j. mcenroe 76/7/0
edberg 42/6/4
laver 42/5/0 |
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l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 13 统计数据一文不值，仅供娱乐，不欢迎攻击球员，不管攻击的是谁
data source: atpworldtour.com
surface: (hard/clay/grass/indoor/outdoor)
federer: 0.832/0.769/0.875/0.801/0.820
djokovic: 0.799/0.767/0.782/0.718/0.805
nadal: 0.765/0.930/0.806/0.642/0.851
sampras: 0.804/0.625/0.835/0.777/0.773
agassi: 0.790/0.727/0.735/0.697/0.777
borg: 0.767/0.863/0.847/0.808/0.838
laver: 0.813/0.766/0.833/0.768/0.808
connors: 0.825/0.779/0.833/0.817/0.817
j.mcenroe:0.811/0.720/0.856/0.853/0.784
lendl: 0.826/0.814/0.764/0.829/0.81... 阅读全帖 |
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k****i
发帖数: 3282 | 15 Bjorn Borg:
Titles: 64/11/0
Overall: 0.827,
Grand Slam: 0.898
Masters: 0
Environment:
0.767/0.863/0.847/0.808/0.838
Hard/Clay/Grass/Indoor/Outdoor |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 18 I think Borg will be the happiest one if excluding hard courts. |
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 19 Borg won his first FO at age of 17, Wilander also won his first FO at 17.
While they both retired by the age of 25 or 26. So some people peak early,
some normal.
Nadal of 21 years is better than Federer at the same age, while I'm sure
Nadal of 31 would be much worse than Fed at the same age.
Michael Chang was and is still the youngest GS winner, that doesn't mean he
is better than Sampras or Agassi.
goat
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A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 20 Nadal was 24 in 2010 and is 26 now. He is going donwhill from now on.
Similar type player Borg and Wilander all went downhill around this age. So
I would like to bet 1:1 that it would be less than 8 at the end. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 Borg曾经跑过100m, 成绩12"3.
没人知道老费跑多少。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 Borg的12"3是正式比赛成绩, 1976年，当时20岁。 |
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 26 你到底想说啥？用Borg说明速度对网球根本就不是一个FACTOR, 所以WSN打不到4.0就别
怪自己跑的不快，呵呵。。。 |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 27 问题是他用东方式照样被轻松overpower吧，据说borg后来用木拍一样
被轻松overpower呀。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 但是Borg用木拍东方式不会被4.5 overpower.
用正确方法使用木拍的现代录像偶实在找不到，所以也无法证明这一点。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 31 职业生涯胜率排名。
1. Rafael Nadal .891 3 21-2 .830 53 604-124
2. Bjorn Borg .000 0 0-0 .827 64 608-127
3. Jimmy Connors .000 0 0-0 .818 108 1243-277
4. Ivan Lendl .000 0 0-0 .818 94 1071-239
5. Roger Federer .824 0 13-4 .815 76 891-202
6. John McEnroe .000 0 0-0 .815 77 875-198
7. Novak Djokovic .875 3 26-2 .798 ... 阅读全帖 |
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 33 今年绝对不如去年紧张，去年太多的东西at stake (四连亚，无法超越borg, 两连胜之
后大满贯又输)， 输了基本是天塌了。
看好纳豆in 4 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 34 Lendl苦笑：oh really?
Borg也苦笑：//hand... |
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 35 我不知道，关于红土,大家熟知的基本只有
１.桑葚一个也没有
２.borg,nadal,库尔疼很牛Ｂ |
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 36 山羊：
娃要生在八月8到八月12
红土王：
娃要生在六月3到六月14
证据：
August 8, Federer, 17 Grand Slams
August 9, Rod Laver, 11 Grand Slams
August 12 , Pete Sampras, 14 Grand Slams
June 3, Rafael Nadal, 12 Grand Slams
June 6, Bjon Borg, 12 Grand Slams
June 14, Steffi Graf, 22 Grand Slams |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 身出瑞典，估计全年只能打1个月室外，居然也11满贯。。。
还有Wilander, 俄罗斯美女们等等。
不过这1个月室外估计他们都可以一天打20小时，基本上就极昼了。。。 |
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b**k
发帖数: 3563 | 43 年初有印第安纳维尔斯大师赛啊，好像还有个斯坦福杯女子比赛。相对东岸是少了一些。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 46 最近3年，golden bagel award都是Joker.
他分别给了13，9，12个。
老费04年12，06年19，其余都没能第一。
Nadal 3次第一，05年11，08年10，09年8.
这些都比不上超级pusher Borg, 他总共给了116个bagel, 都快老费两倍了。而且人家
25岁就退役了。 |
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 47 偶怎么记得只有borg比他更年轻? 现在连michael change都比他年轻了。。 |
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w**k
发帖数: 1455 | 48 如果某个运动员想加冕GOAT，那么就要经得其别人的置疑
如果Federer想要这个头衔，那么别人就会置疑他对Nadal输太多，所以不行
如果Nadal想要这个头衔，那么别人就会说他大满贯不是最多，而且排名第一时间不够长
如果Graf想要这个头衔，那么别人就会说如果不是Seles被Graf的狂热粉丝捅了一刀，
Graf绝对不可能拿这么多大满贯
如果Borg想要这个头衔，那么别人就会说他从没得过美网，而且退役太早 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 49 Tier 1:
Federer Lendl Wilander Safin Kuerten
Tier 2:
Sampras Edberg Agassi Borg Hewitt Djokovic Kafelnikov
Tier 3:
Nastase Courier Nadal Becker
Tier 4:
McEnroe Connors Roddick |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 50 He hits DHBH from time to time, although it's Borg style. |
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