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s******g
发帖数: 3530
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蜜丸在美国市场的兴起好像最早跟克莱斯勒公司艾柯卡咸鱼翻身 关系渊源就很大,
参看
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minivan
Minivans by market[edit]
North America[edit]
The introduction of the Chrysler minivans in 1984 revolutionized the family
-car market in the U.S. They soon displaced station wagons and became the
car of choice for traveling "baby-boomers".[4] Within one year the automaker
was not able to build enough Voyager/Caravans to meet the market demand as
the people-hauler of choice, while competitors were rushing to introduce
th... 阅读全帖
c*******9
发帖数: 9032
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来自主题: Military版 - 特斯拉开放专利了
www.teslamotors.com
All Our Patent Are Belong To You
By Elon Musk, CEO
Yesterday, there was a wall of Tesla patents in the lobby of our Palo Alto
headquarters. That is no longer the case. They have been removed, in the
spirit of the open source movement, for the advancement of electric vehicle
technology.
Tesla Motors was created to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport.
If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then
lay intellectual property landmines behi... 阅读全帖
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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FBI investigates Ford engineer after listening devices found: report
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-investigates-ford-engineer-listening-
DETROIT (Reuters) - A 43-year-old former Ford Motor Co engineer is being
investigated by the FBI after listening devices were found in meeting rooms
at company offices, the Detroit News reported on Friday.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted a search at offices of the No
. 2 U.S. automaker on July 11 and seized listening devices, computers and
financial r... 阅读全帖
t*c
发帖数: 8291
4
California readies pay-as-you-drive tax test, coming soon to a road near you
Three weeks ago, California Gov. Jerry Brown signed into law the first test
of mileage-based road taxes in the Golden State. The bill, which passed the
state legislature with the backing of transit agencies, environmental groups
and most major automakers, creates a 15-person panel to oversee a pilot of
pay-by-the-mile taxation by 2018.
The move makes California the largest state to explore how modern technology
might re... 阅读全帖
J***J
发帖数: 6000
5
不得不服
b********6
发帖数: 35437
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看看美国怎么搞倭车和棒车的,再看看中国政府怎么对付神车的,天壤之别啊
t*c
发帖数: 8291
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美帝现在发现还是靠罚钱来钱最快。easy money.

for
which
n******5
发帖数: 1990
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罚款是美帝高薪产业。
t****x
发帖数: 9441
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你可以滚回韩国。
-老将
s*******g
发帖数: 1
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来自主题: Military版 - 没出息的企业和政府
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/11/27/chinese-automaker-cop
前两天在网上台看见这车就觉得想LandRover, 果不其然.
抄袭得太没想象力了. 这是中国的消费者或是企业造成的?
中国共产党控制政权60多年来, 尽营一党之私, 对中国制度的现代化毫无贡献, 多有破
坏. 到今天, 中国的创造精神和创造力在哪里? 关系国计民生的方面抄抄, 像国防医药
, 也就罢了. 这消费品也抄, 还抄最不该抄的外观设计, 太JB说不过去了.
T**********e
发帖数: 29576
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SpaceX在原有摩擦焊接技术上发展出新了方法。
SpaceX Shares Unique Friction Welding Technique With Tesla
Specifically, SpaceX shared its own method of friction stir welding with
Tesla Motors. While friction welding predates both SpaceX and Tesla (and
your writer, in fact), SpaceX has developed its own unique method apparently
. Rather than use heat to melt two pieces of metal or alloy together,
friction welding softens the metal on both sides of the weld in order to
merge them together. This maintains the strength o... 阅读全帖
m*******e
发帖数: 1598
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来自主题: Military版 - 机器人起义了
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/robot-kills-man-volk
Robot Grabs, Crushes Man at Volkswagen Plant
A robot has killed a contractor at one of Volkswagen's production plants in
Germany, the automaker said Wednesday.
a**********u
发帖数: 28450
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BERLIN (AP) — A robot has killed a contractor at one of Volkswagen's
production plants in Germany, the automaker said Wednesday.
The man died Monday at the plant in Baunatal, about 100 kilometers (62 miles
) north of Frankfurt, VW spokesman Heiko Hillwig said.
The 22-year-old was part of a team that was setting up the stationary robot
when it grabbed and crushed him against a metal plate, Hillwig said.
He said initial conclusions indicate that human error was to blame, rather
than a problem with... 阅读全帖
S*********g
发帖数: 24893
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【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: Automobile
标 题: GM为了省五毛七拒绝recall十三年,自动熄火死了一百多人
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 8 17:19:41 2015, 美东)
通用汽车因点火开关宣布三项召回行动
路透纽约1月1日 - 新年伊始,通用汽车(GM.N)便发布三项新的汽车召回,在2014年召
回数以百万辆计的汽车后,该公司持续受到点火开关问题的打击。
最新的召回涉及83,572辆的运动休旅车(SUV)及皮卡(pickup),这些问题上未造成车祸
或人员伤亡。通用汽车预期受到这些产品瑕疵影响的数量少于500件,问题是出在点火
开关启动器外围尺寸超过表订规格。
不过这个问题仍可能让消费者及投资人感到不安。通用汽车2014年因点火系统问题召回
的数量创记录新高,而该公司在2009年宣告破产后一直苦于重建声誉。
这些召回事件打击通用汽车股价,该公司2014年股价大跌14.6%,竞争对手福特汽车则
是上涨约0.5%。
在发生多起事故造成超过40人死亡之后,通用汽车2... 阅读全帖
S*********g
发帖数: 24893
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【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Approved death claims related to GM ignition switch recall rise to 121
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 8 17:37:44 2015, 美东)
on July 06, 2015

DETROIT, MI - The number of approved death compensation claims related to a
recall of a faulty General Motors ignition switch has risen to 121, compared
to a total of 119 one week earlier.
The claims were approved by a fund set up by GM to compensate victims of a
defective part in mid-to-l... 阅读全帖
c****5
发帖数: 26
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Rather than meet the standards, the EPA says VW sneaked in the defeat device
software to detect when the car is hooked up to a dynamometer, a machine
that measures emissions. When emissions are being measured, the defeat
device tells the car to operate at "dyno calibration," or full emission
control levels, to meet the standards. At all other times, however, the
software sets the engine to run on "road calibration," allowing the
excessive emissions. How can the program tell the difference? By no... 阅读全帖
o**********e
发帖数: 18403
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老中需要出大招,把日本做成Pariah state。
1. 人民币贬值。
2. 对日经济制裁。
3. 尽量购买全球软媒教科书影响,
输出日本军国威胁论,TPP
政变夺权论。
习大应该学习教皇:送钱不如送人,送宗教
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanFrancisco/34396763.html
中学历史教科书是反华教育的关键
HTTP://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanDiego/31949317.html
Japan Launches Aircraft Carrier ‘Kaga,’ Named After Carrier that Attacked
Pearl Harbor
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/08/28/japan-lau
Why TPP gives Japanese automakers an edge
http://www.autonews.com/article/20151007/BLOG06/151009866/why-t
4. 所有的... 阅读全帖
o**********e
发帖数: 18403
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来自主题: Military版 - 老中该如何应对日本侵略?
老中海上被包围快要合围了。
老中需要出大招,把日本做成Pariah state。
1. 人民币贬值。
2. 对日经济制裁。
3. 尽量购买全球软媒教科书影响,
输出日本军国威胁论,TPP
政变夺权论。
习大应该学习教皇:送钱不如送人,送宗教
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanFrancisco/34396763.html
中学历史教科书是反华教育的关键
HTTP://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanDiego/31949317.html
Japan Launches Aircraft Carrier ‘Kaga,’ Named After Carrier that Attacked
Pearl Harbor
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/08/28/japan-lau
Why TPP gives Japanese automakers an edge
http://www.autonews.com/article/20151007/BLOG06/1510098... 阅读全帖
g*q
发帖数: 26623
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来自主题: Military版 - Auto Sales Lower in August
August was a weak month for manufacturing and also saw a slowdown in motor
vehicle sales. The seasonally adjusted rate of motor vehicle sales decreased
to 17 million from 17.88 million in July. Both car and truck sales were
down for the month. The seasonally adjusted annual rate of sales for cars
was 6.78 million, down from 7.09 million in July. The SAAR for trucks was 10
.22 million, down from 10.79 million in July.
For August, total vehicle sales were 1,512,556, down from 1,577,407 for a
decre... 阅读全帖
g**1
发帖数: 10330
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总统上任三把火,川普全面否定百万电动车计划!
2016-11-13 麦靠谱 电动车联盟
硅谷对于川普的激烈反抗不知道还能坚持多久,但是川普对于整个硅谷的阴霾早早就在
纳斯达克反映了上来。在结束大选的两天里,但是整个科技板块貌似都不是很开心,特
斯拉两天收盘累积超过5%的跌幅。
那我们细数一下为什么川普的政策对特斯拉会有如此大的影响?
1、碳排放交易的政策补贴取消,特斯拉可能亏损扩大。
川普哥毫不掩饰自己对于“温室效应”的鄙视,并列举了各种例子例如美国每年创新低
的“严寒”还有抛出了全球变暖是中国为限制美国制造业挖的坑等等言论。
取消碳排放交易补贴貌似是川普上台之后马上就会要做的事情。但是这对于特斯拉来说
无疑是无妄大灾。特斯拉第三季度的22.98亿美元的营收中,21.48亿美元来自汽车交易
,1.39亿美元来自特斯拉当季度通过向其他车企出售碳排放积分获得,这也成为了其营
收同比增加的主要来源。也就意味着,如果没有碳排放交易的话,特斯拉依然会亏损超
过1亿美金。那么明年第一季度的财报会非常难看。
2、新能源汽车7500美金补贴的取消,Model 3订单减少。
美国原计划会对美国地区符合标... 阅读全帖
a*****1
发帖数: 3817
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Ford spokeswoman Christin Baker said late on Thursday that the automaker "
confirmed with the President-elect that our small Lincoln utility vehicle
made at the Louisville Assembly plant will stay in Kentucky."
Ford 把 纽约时报 的脸给打肿了。
哈哈哈, 太好玩了。

发帖数: 1
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12 月 1 日 又看了一则新闻, 呵呵
刚看了一则新闻关于麦当劳转卖的新闻,对于中国的食品安全,我总是千百个担忧,有
必要好好看一看接手人的背景及相关信息。接手麦当劳不容易啊。我不评论啊,只是观
看。你们撒的毒气越多,电磁波攻击的越强,我阅读的效果就越好。呵呵。
A consortium led by private-equity firm Carlyle Group (CG.O) and Chinese
conglomerate Citic Group Corp has neared a deal to buy McDonald's Corp's (
MCD.N) stores in China and Hong Kong for up to $3 billion, a source with
direct knowledge of the matter said.
The deal is likely to be signed before Christmas, the source said.
Reuters had reported in October that U.S... 阅读全帖
w******z
发帖数: 1872
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【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: wizardoz (hoho), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 本田小二:为啥尼桑肉哥三月销售量远远超超过CR-V?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Apr 5 16:19:05 2017, 美东)
#1
Nissan Rogue
39,512 27,713 42.6% 101,421 69,036 46.9%
#2
Honda CR-V
32,872 26,730 23.0% 94,057 71,188 32.1%
#3
Toyota RAV4
32,027 29,045 10.3% 80,533 76,122 5.8%
#4
Ford Escape
28,113 28,521 -1.4% 76,338 71,594 6.6%
#5
Ford Explorer
23,424 24,412 -4.0% 62,770 63,415 -10.2%
#6
Ch... 阅读全帖
w*********r
发帖数: 42116
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来自主题: Military版 - TG要买Fiat Chrysler。
An unidentified Chinese automaker extended at least one offer this month to
acquire Fiat Chrysler, industry publication Automotive News said. Fiat
Chrysler rejected the bid, which was said to provide a small premium over
the company’s market value. The report added that executives at other large
car makers in China are evaluating a potential buyout and recently met with
groups that represent U.S. dealers.
y******9
发帖数: 1392
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来自主题: Military版 - 无标题
The Tesla Model 3 is not good enough to earn a recommendation from Consumer
Reports, the magazine said. While the car is exciting to drive, difficult
controls and weak brakes prevented it from getting the publication's much-
sought-after approval.
Consumer Reports has said the larger and more expensive Tesla Model S was
among the best cars it had ever tested.
Not so with the Tesla Model 3. The magazine praised the car's acceleration,
handling and driving range. Those things, Consumer Reports sai... 阅读全帖
t**x
发帖数: 20965
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China slashes tariffs on imported cars
By Daniel Shane May 22, 2018: 7:20 AM ET
China is cutting the tariffs it charges on imported cars, giving a potential
boost to foreign automakers in the world's largest market.
The Chinese Finance Ministry said Tuesday that it will cut import duties on
passenger vehicles to from 25% to 15%, starting July 1.
The announcement, which fulfills an earlier pledge by Chinese President Xi
Jinping, comes just days after China and the United States agreed to a
ceasef... 阅读全帖
b*****d
发帖数: 61690
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来自主题: Military版 - BMW警告trump
BMW has reportedly warned federal officials that U.S. tariffs on European
auto imports would raise its cost of doing business in the country and
potentially force it to cut production at its Spartanburg, S.C., plant.
Reuters reported over the weekend that the automaker is growing concerned
about President Trump's threat to place a 20 percent tariff on all European
cars entering the United States. The German company aired its concerns in a
letter it sent to Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross last wee... 阅读全帖
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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How U.S. and China Tariffs Are Rippling Through U.S. Industries
https://www.wsj.com/graphics/us-china-tariffs-industries/?mod=article_inline
?mod=hp_lead_pos4
While automakers - and their dealerships - are getting most of the headlines
this week, the effects of the escalating trade war (sorry, officially a
trade tantrum, or trade discussion according to The White House) between
Presidents Trump, Xi, and Putin are rippling across numerous US industries -
directly, and indirectly.
Makers of whiske... 阅读全帖
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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来自主题: Military版 - 历史上6个贸易战的结果
here’s a look at six past trade wars and the havoc they caused to the
global economy.
1. The Opium Wars
When China attempted to suppress the opium trade in the mid 19th century —
an illegal activity enjoyed mostly by British traders and the cause of
widespread addiction and social problems — it led to armed conflict.
Or, as one analyst bluntly put it: “England went to war with China because
it was upset that Chinese officials had shut down its drug trafficking
racket and confiscated its dope.”
C... 阅读全帖
c*******2
发帖数: 617
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川普再玩下去, 土共要玩美国汽车业了。
“In the short term, the overall impact will not be very large ... but in
the medium and long term, U.S. automakers such as Ford, which are already
struggling in the China market, will find it even harder to rebound.”

发帖数: 1
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来自主题: Military版 - trump 反悔了,要对欧洲车加税25%
trump 总算作对了一件事,美国制造业大部分根本就不值得保护,也没法保护,但汽车
业是个例外,就应该把快被搞死的汽车业保护起来,对进口车加高关税。哪怕我花更多
钱买车也值
上游的钢铁和alu 已经加了高关税,下游汽车业也不得不加,否则更多汽车制造会被
outsource
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/21/trump-us-to-put-a-25percent-tariff-on-every-
car-from-european-union.html
President Donald Trump said Tuesday night that the U.S. would slap a 25
percent tariff on cars coming from the European Union.
The president's statement came hours after The Wall Street Journal reported
that Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said he had postpo... 阅读全帖

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for now, protects Japanese automakers from further tariffs

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来自主题: Military版 - 赞老川,吃屎也要干死土鳖
for now, protects Japanese automakers from further tariffs
w********r
发帖数: 3183
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Ford cutting a shift at Louisville Assembly Plant and Flat Rock Assembly
Plant.
It is not making any job cuts.
Ford is cutting a shift at two of its plants, but the automaker's avoiding
layoffs by moving workers to other facilities, the company said Wednesday.
b*********3
发帖数: 1709
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来自主题: Military版 - 崩了
The dead ringer repeat... Trump Smoot Hawley Tariffs are taking what was a
potentially good market with a new commodities supercycle right into the
septic tank. Trump was warned by over 3000 economist and 14 Nobel Laureates
that his Tariffs stupidity would destroy the economy. But Trump knew better.
Last week he sent out his 70 and 80 year old poodles to give more hardline
to trade. Meanwhile the Farmer is finished, Automakers closing, Aircraft
makers seeing contracts pulled, domestic steel and ... 阅读全帖
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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Trump was hoping for this day... Continues to send out his poodles to
destroy American Businesses.
1) Trump bans Huawei ZTE from US Sales and tries to extend that through US
NATO Poodles and others, arrests Xi's friend's daughter the CFO.
2) Chinese stop buying Iphone.
What is it that you do not understand? Trade wars are good and easy to win.
LOL. As if this were not enough two days ago Lighthizer said that "new
tariffs" would be necessary get concessions from China. Lighthizer was
afraid that... 阅读全帖
r*****1
发帖数: 3465
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为什么总是中崩?全球销量下降3%,美国下降1.8%,中崩居然依旧增长5.1%,销量创纪
录。
中国销量6.4万,美国1.4万,德国2.3万辆。
然后大咪咪这种傻逼说中国市场是假市场,LOL,老将真是傻逼成群。
Audi delivers 144,650 cars worldwide in January
INGOLSTADT, Germany, 3 days ago
German automaker Audi AG delivered around 144,650 cars to customers
worldwide in January, with sales performing positively in the two largest
markets – China and Germany.
In China the company achieved its best January result in its history, with
sales up 5.1 per cent to 64,000 units sold. In the German domestic ma... 阅读全帖
s***c
发帖数: 1926
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来自主题: Military版 - 川普考虑终止美日安保条约?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-25/trump-muses-privately-
about-ending-postwar-japan-defense-pact
President Donald Trump has recently mused to confidants about withdrawing
from a longstanding defense treaty with Japan that he thinks treats the U.S.
unfairly, according to three people familiar with the matter.
Trump regards the accord as too one-sided because it promises U.S aid if
Japan is ever attacked but doesn’t oblige Japan’s military to come to
America’s defense, the people ... 阅读全帖

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【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: Caravel (克拉维尔), 信区: Automobile
标 题: Tesla卡车疑实现超越800公里里程
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 16 01:37:16 2019, 美东)
A Tesla Semi electric truck prototype was spotted doing some range tests
with an almost full load of 75,000 lbs and the test driver said that it was
meeting or even “exceeding” range expectations.
When launching Tesla Semi in 2017, the automaker said that the production
versions of Tesla Semi, which is a class 8 truck with a 80,000 lbs capacity,
will have 300-mil... 阅读全帖

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40
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/automakers-offer-build-ventilators-us-faces-
critical-shortage/story?id=69689489
文章后面果然提到了二战
吼吼吼
s******r
发帖数: 5309
41
只是要再等几个月才能准备完毕。
Three of the nation’s largest companies will team up to mass produce
medical equipment to fight the novel coronavirus, repurposing existing parts
and hundreds of workers in a wartime-like battle against the outbreak that
has kneecapped the global economy and brought much of the country to a
standstill.
Ford sent teams of engineers this week to consult with counterparts at 3M
and General Electric to ramp up production of 3M respirators, GE ventilators
and new 3-D-printed face shie... 阅读全帖
f*******e
发帖数: 1061
42
又被收割了。
Japanese auto parts maker Takata Corp. has pleaded guilty to one count of
wire fraud, and agreed to pay $1 billion for concealing a defect in millions
of its air bag inflators.
The decision played out in a federal courtroom in Detroit on Monday,
following a deal with the U.S. Justice Department.
The Wall Street Journal reports:
"Takata's finance chief, Yoichiro Nomura, entered the guilty plea on the
company's behalf during court proceedings.
"He said actions of certain employees w... 阅读全帖
E*V
发帖数: 17544
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来自主题: RisingChina版 - GM发财了,怎么政府又亏了?
Government sells remaining stake in GM
DETROIT (AP) — The U.S. government ended up losing $10.5 billion on the
General Motors bailout, but it says the alternative would have been far
worse.
GM stock hits new high as government exit nears Associated Press [$$] U.S.
Remaining Stake in General Motors The Wall Street Journal Government Motors
no longer — Treasury sells GM stake MarketWatch US sells last shares in GM,
exits historic rescue AFP U.S. plans to exit GM stake by year-end, may lose
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama says higher auto mileage standards
set under his administration and better cars built by a resurgent U.S. auto
industry will save money at the gas pump over the long term, a counterpoint
to Republican criticism of his energy policy.
In his weekly radio and online address Saturday, Obama said Detroit
automakers are on track to build cars that average nearly 55 miles per
gallon by 2025, doubling current mileage standards.
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-09-18/japanese-automakers
Bloomberg News
Japan Protests in China Seen Costlier Than Tsunami
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/16/report-former-ford-employee-arrested-for-stealing-trade-secrets/
Former Ford engineer Xiang Dong Yu, also known as Mike Yu, was arrested
Wednesday at the Chicago O'Hare airport and indicted on suspicion of
stealing trade secrets from his former employer. Yu, who worked at Ford
Motor Company from 1997 to 2007, is being charged with downloading over 4,
000 sensitive documents to an external hard drive before leaving the
automaker for an opportunity with another U
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Report: California to amend 'Cool Cars' legislation over... criminal
activity?
by Frank Filipponio (RSS feed) on Mar 9th 2010 at 6:30PM
Is CARB backing down on its so-called "cool cars" regulation? On May 7, the
California Air Resources Board (CARB) will have to turn in its final draft
of the controversial regulations, which calls for automakers to build cars
and trucks with windows that prevent 45% of the sun's energy from entering a
vehicle by 2014 and 60% by 2016. Vehicle manufacturers have a
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羊毛出在羊身上:通用汽车(GM)宣称付清了联邦政府贷款,但用的是联邦政府“救助
”资金
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/23/gm-hot-water-ftc-truth-advertising/
General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming
it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't
standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have
found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping
into a separate pot of bailout funds.
The TV spot may land GM in hot water w
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get some common sense, when talking about auto worker pay, people talking
about hourly rate.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/105061-should-we-really-bail-out-the-big-three-automakers-with-73-20-per-hour-labor
The chart above shows average hourly compensation for the Big Three ($73.20)
and Toyota (TM) ($48.00), compared to average hourly compensation for
Management and Professional Workers ($47.57), Manufacturing/Goods Producing
($31.59) and all workers ($28.48)

GOP
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Rasmussen调查:56%美国选民认为联邦政府“救助”金融机构是个坏主意,25%意见相反
Tuesday, July 20, 2010
Looking back, voters remain unhappy with the government bailouts of the
financial industry and troubled automakers General Motors and Chrysler.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely Voters finds
that just 25% say it was a good idea for the federal government to provide
bailout funding for banks and other financial institutions. Fifty-six
percent (56%) hold the opposite view and feel these bailouts were a
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