l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 羊毛出在羊身上：通用汽车（GM）宣称付清了联邦政府贷款，但用的是联邦政府“救助
”资金
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/23/gm-hot-water-ftc-truth-advertising/
General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming
it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't
standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have
found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping
into a separate pot of bailout funds.
The TV spot may land GM in hot water w |
D*****n
发帖数: 363 | 2 Every economy plan Obama touches turns into a Ponzzi Skeme. |
c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 3 U.S. lives on Ponzi scheme and maintains the scheme with
military power. there's no other way to make U.S. people
live in such a luxury style except lying and cheating.
if you don't willing to be benefited, go back to where you came from.
【在 D*****n 的大作中提到】
: Every economy plan Obama touches turns into a Ponzzi Skeme.
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D*****n
发帖数: 363 | 4
Such benefit is not last forever and you are not even part of the special
interest GM UNION to get benefits
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: U.S. lives on Ponzi scheme and maintains the scheme with
: military power. there's no other way to make U.S. people
: live in such a luxury style except lying and cheating.
: if you don't willing to be benefited, go back to where you came from.
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 5 U.S. dollar is the biggest Ponzi scheme
GM Union's benefit is way too small comparing to the dollar scheme
which benefits every single one (citizen or not) in U.S.
【在 D*****n 的大作中提到】
:
: Such benefit is not last forever and you are not even part of the special
: interest GM UNION to get benefits
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 6 lol.
if it benefits me, why should i speak out against it?
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: U.S. dollar is the biggest Ponzi scheme
: GM Union's benefit is way too small comparing to the dollar scheme
: which benefits every single one (citizen or not) in U.S.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 7 Who cares your shit. Please do not shit this board with your garbage. You
are clueless as red neck.
t
dipping
over
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 羊毛出在羊身上：通用汽车（GM）宣称付清了联邦政府贷款，但用的是联邦政府“救助
: ”资金
: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/23/gm-hot-water-ftc-truth-advertising/
: General Motors is running ads on all the major networks this week claiming
: it has repaid its bailout from the taxpayers "in full." But the claim isn't
: standing up to scrutiny from lawmakers and government watchdogs who have
: found that the automaker was able to repay the bailout money only by dipping
: into a separate pot of bailout funds.
: The TV spot may land GM in hot water w
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 8 because GM money does not benefits us, so we should oppose it
dollar benefits every one in U.S., so we should embrace it
this is so called capitalism or rational action
hey, think about it, U.S. is the only one that can tax the world
by printing money and stacking national debts. Isn't inspiring and
exciting?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: lol.
: if it benefits me, why should i speak out against it?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 9 you do not have to waste time on dumbass. They have a brain of the size of a
bean. They are lead by their white masters to attack anything blindly, no
matter whether it will benefiting themselves or not. You will be solely
disappointed trying to convince them. Only thing they know is throw
insulting hiding behind computer screen. If they throw insult in my face, I
will slap their face. What a bunch of spineless cowards.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: because GM money does not benefits us, so we should oppose it
: dollar benefits every one in U.S., so we should embrace it
: this is so called capitalism or rational action
: hey, think about it, U.S. is the only one that can tax the world
: by printing money and stacking national debts. Isn't inspiring and
: exciting?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 10 why dont you ask yourself, why you even came here the first place?
lol...
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: because GM money does not benefits us, so we should oppose it
: dollar benefits every one in U.S., so we should embrace it
: this is so called capitalism or rational action
: hey, think about it, U.S. is the only one that can tax the world
: by printing money and stacking national debts. Isn't inspiring and
: exciting?
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B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 11 艹，这个不是白来的
打仗 流血
辛辛苦苦搞科研
投胎技术
地缘政治....
小左和小右形成的中庸平衡
这个庞氏，估计也就是外星人殖民才能打破
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: because GM money does not benefits us, so we should oppose it
: dollar benefits every one in U.S., so we should embrace it
: this is so called capitalism or rational action
: hey, think about it, U.S. is the only one that can tax the world
: by printing money and stacking national debts. Isn't inspiring and
: exciting?
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l******e
发帖数: 12192 | 12 没那么夸张
大阴蒂国嚣张多少年来着
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: 艹，这个不是白来的
: 打仗 流血
: 辛辛苦苦搞科研
: 投胎技术
: 地缘政治....
: 小左和小右形成的中庸平衡
: 这个庞氏，估计也就是外星人殖民才能打破
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 13 then stop talking about morality or similar non-sense
let's exploit the dollar, and run before it collapses
otherwise, you are more stupid than Jews, lol
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: why dont you ask yourself, why you even came here the first place?
: lol...
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 14 who is talking about morality? It is all from you!
All i am able to see is big picture.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: then stop talking about morality or similar non-sense
: let's exploit the dollar, and run before it collapses
: otherwise, you are more stupid than Jews, lol
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 15 do you have anything but illusion left in the brain?
from me? what a joke, talking about morality in capitalism
this is only possible from blind brain-washed capitalism
followers.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: who is talking about morality? It is all from you!
: All i am able to see is big picture.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 16 who is talking about morality in capitalism?
i only know capitalism is way better than communism! That's only thing best
i can get at the moment.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: do you have anything but illusion left in the brain?
: from me? what a joke, talking about morality in capitalism
: this is only possible from blind brain-washed capitalism
: followers.
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 17 lol, that's the worst thing YOU can get
unless you are a capitalist.
best
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: who is talking about morality in capitalism?
: i only know capitalism is way better than communism! That's only thing best
: i can get at the moment.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 18 maybe that's the worst thing you can get, i know you are one heck of
communist.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, that's the worst thing YOU can get
: unless you are a capitalist.
:
: best
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 19 lol, you have so many illusions.
how much do you have in schedule C, D and E? :)
To condemn capitalism doesn't necessarily mean a person
is not good at it.
of course you are welcomed. United States runs on people like you :)
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: maybe that's the worst thing you can get, i know you are one heck of
: communist.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 20 well, in that sense, i am at least an honest man, not like you.
lol...
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, you have so many illusions.
: how much do you have in schedule C, D and E? :)
: To condemn capitalism doesn't necessarily mean a person
: is not good at it.
: of course you are welcomed. United States runs on people like you :)
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 21 you can believe whatever you wish :)
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: well, in that sense, i am at least an honest man, not like you.
: lol...
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 22 liberal的伪君子,gop的真小人.
lol...
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: well, in that sense, i am at least an honest man, not like you.
: lol...
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 23 I believe based on facts and logic.
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: you can believe whatever you wish :)
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 24 not on tear gas speeches...
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: I believe based on facts and logic.
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 25 You are clueless as red neck? 怎么少了一个as阿? 呵呵.
英文这么差就别出来现, 你倒好, 别人不愿意看你的屁股,你偏偏要现你的肛门.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Who cares your shit. Please do not shit this board with your garbage. You
: are clueless as red neck.
:
: t
: dipping
: over
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 26 谢谢指正.这么好为人屎,砸就整天贴些脑x的狗屎.
GM returned some money to taxpayer ---> good. As simple as this.
不向脑x兄弟你,认为
GM returned some money to taxpayer ---> bad.
拿GOP的狗屎当宝来现.笑掉大牙.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: You are clueless as red neck? 怎么少了一个as阿? 呵呵.
: 英文这么差就别出来现, 你倒好, 别人不愿意看你的屁股,你偏偏要现你的肛门.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 27 borrow visa card debt to pay master card debt is not called repay, if we tax
payers owns both visa and master.
Is that sth your brain can handle?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢指正.这么好为人屎,砸就整天贴些脑x的狗屎.
: GM returned some money to taxpayer ---> good. As simple as this.
: 不向脑x兄弟你,认为
: GM returned some money to taxpayer ---> bad.
: 拿GOP的狗屎当宝来现.笑掉大牙.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 28 You can not handle it. Tax payer owned debt A and debt B before and GM paid
debt B to taxpayer. Is it worse or better? To me it is better. After paying
tax $8 billion, GM own no loan to taxpayer. All loans are paid back. The
remaining is not a loan but equility investment. GM owns nothing to taxpayer
now.
tax
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: borrow visa card debt to pay master card debt is not called repay, if we tax
: payers owns both visa and master.
: Is that sth your brain can handle?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 29 http://grassley.senate.gov/about/upload/2010-04-22-Letter-to-Treasury-Department.pdf
i have no obligation to educate you. either you learn by yourself or learn
to shut up.
paid
paying
taxpayer
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You can not handle it. Tax payer owned debt A and debt B before and GM paid
: debt B to taxpayer. Is it worse or better? To me it is better. After paying
: tax $8 billion, GM own no loan to taxpayer. All loans are paid back. The
: remaining is not a loan but equility investment. GM owns nothing to taxpayer
: now.
:
: tax
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 30 A debt-for-equity swap is not a repayment.
as stated.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: http://grassley.senate.gov/about/upload/2010-04-22-Letter-to-Treasury-Department.pdf
: i have no obligation to educate you. either you learn by yourself or learn
: to shut up.
:
: paid
: paying
: taxpayer
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D*****n
发帖数: 363 | 31
tax
That's really is too hard for that retard to understand.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: borrow visa card debt to pay master card debt is not called repay, if we tax
: payers owns both visa and master.
: Is that sth your brain can handle?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 32 Are you dumb? If you buy my house for $200,000. Do I own you $200K. The
answer is NO NO NO NO. I own you nothing because you got my house. In this
case, tax payers bought 61% GM with 42 billions and loaned 8 billions. When
GM returned 8 billions, GM owns nothing to taxpayer. Whether taxpayers lose
money on 61% stake on GM will be another debate. I guess that will be a high
possibility.
But this does not matter. What matters is that GM returned $8 billions loan.
And this is good for taxpayers.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: A debt-for-equity swap is not a repayment.
: as stated.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 33
What matters is taxpayers want that 42B back not GM junk stocks, dumbass!
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Are you dumb? If you buy my house for $200,000. Do I own you $200K. The
: answer is NO NO NO NO. I own you nothing because you got my house. In this
: case, tax payers bought 61% GM with 42 billions and loaned 8 billions. When
: GM returned 8 billions, GM owns nothing to taxpayer. Whether taxpayers lose
: money on 61% stake on GM will be another debate. I guess that will be a high
: possibility.
: But this does not matter. What matters is that GM returned $8 billions loan.
: And this is good for taxpayers.
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m********t
发帖数: 1591 | 34 你出来现是需要勇气的，呵呵
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: lol, you have so many illusions.
: how much do you have in schedule C, D and E? :)
: To condemn capitalism doesn't necessarily mean a person
: is not good at it.
: of course you are welcomed. United States runs on people like you :)
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 35 The current market value of new GM is $55 billions and 61% stake is worth ~$
33 billions. The taxpayers do look bad on this investment. But i calculate
that the value of GM will be much higher than $55 billions when GM is IPOed.
The market value of F is $45 billions. Comparing GM with F, GM has $10
billions more cash and $100 billions less debt. And GM has better union
contract than F. So the cost structure of GM is fundamental lower than F and
should value at least twice of F. If F is valued at
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: What matters is taxpayers want that 42B back not GM junk stocks, dumbass!
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 36 honey, bottom line, they have to sell cars and make profit.
Otherwise, whatever mkt cap you are talking about is totally garbage. They
can even set ipo price 10 times higher to make it 550b, but who's gonna buy
into it?even tho there are always fools like you love to jump on the band
wagon.
~$
IPOed.
and
should
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: The current market value of new GM is $55 billions and 61% stake is worth ~$
: 33 billions. The taxpayers do look bad on this investment. But i calculate
: that the value of GM will be much higher than $55 billions when GM is IPOed.
: The market value of F is $45 billions. Comparing GM with F, GM has $10
: billions more cash and $100 billions less debt. And GM has better union
: contract than F. So the cost structure of GM is fundamental lower than F and
: should value at least twice of F. If F is valued at
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