m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 1 UAW was a problem before, but not so critial any more.
Detroit automakers were paying their hourly workers (represented by UAW) an
average of $69,368 per year in 2008, while the biggest foreign-based
competitors were paying $70,185, as reported by the Associated Press. But
salaried workers (not represented by UAW union) were still making a lot more
-- an average of $122,963 compared to $81,506 for foreign rivals.
Concessions by the United Auto Workers Union sliced the difference.
Automakers made |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 2 So the production union workers are making less and management is making
more.
an
more
health
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: UAW was a problem before, but not so critial any more.
: Detroit automakers were paying their hourly workers (represented by UAW) an
: average of $69,368 per year in 2008, while the biggest foreign-based
: competitors were paying $70,185, as reported by the Associated Press. But
: salaried workers (not represented by UAW union) were still making a lot more
: -- an average of $122,963 compared to $81,506 for foreign rivals.
: Concessions by the United Auto Workers Union sliced the difference.
: Automakers made
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 3 无脑共产革命小将.
you find us a company with average workers get paid more than management,
which is major reason caused company to fail as you claimed?
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: So the production union workers are making less and management is making
: more.
:
: an
: more
: health
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 4 Can you read, genius?
Toyota workers paid more than GM's workers.
Toyota managers paid less than GM's managers.
If GM were bankrupted again, it were the problem managers not workers.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 无脑共产革命小将.
: you find us a company with average workers get paid more than management,
: which is major reason caused company to fail as you claimed?
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 5 honey, any data is garbage without a source pointing to it, particularly
from you.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Can you read, genius?
: Toyota workers paid more than GM's workers.
: Toyota managers paid less than GM's managers.
: If GM were bankrupted again, it were the problem managers not workers.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 6 what you said has very low or no credibility. You always cite half-truth GOP
propaganda as "truth". I learned enough from your spin master, Karl Rove.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: honey, any data is garbage without a source pointing to it, particularly
: from you.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 7 get some common sense, when talking about auto worker pay, people talking
about hourly rate.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/105061-should-we-really-bail-out-the-big-three-automakers-with-73-20-per-hour-labor
The chart above shows average hourly compensation for the Big Three ($73.20)
and Toyota (TM) ($48.00), compared to average hourly compensation for
Management and Professional Workers ($47.57), Manufacturing/Goods Producing
($31.59) and all workers ($28.48)
GOP
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: what you said has very low or no credibility. You always cite half-truth GOP
: propaganda as "truth". I learned enough from your spin master, Karl Rove.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 8 You may conveniently forget to mention that a concession plan was passed in
2007 and the hourly rate that I am talking about was in 2008. As I said in
my previous post, UAW union was problem before 2008. This is a widely known
fact. I have spent hundreds of hours to study detroit three's SEC report,
balance sheet, and union contracts, and comparison to the toyota plants in
the USA. My conclusion is the detroit three are coming back like a thunder.
20)
Producing
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: get some common sense, when talking about auto worker pay, people talking
: about hourly rate.
: http://seekingalpha.com/article/105061-should-we-really-bail-out-the-big-three-automakers-with-73-20-per-hour-labor
: The chart above shows average hourly compensation for the Big Three ($73.20)
: and Toyota (TM) ($48.00), compared to average hourly compensation for
: Management and Professional Workers ($47.57), Manufacturing/Goods Producing
: ($31.59) and all workers ($28.48)
:
: GOP
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 9 lol...
general motor was a problem until they become government motor, yeah sure...
in
known
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You may conveniently forget to mention that a concession plan was passed in
: 2007 and the hourly rate that I am talking about was in 2008. As I said in
: my previous post, UAW union was problem before 2008. This is a widely known
: fact. I have spent hundreds of hours to study detroit three's SEC report,
: balance sheet, and union contracts, and comparison to the toyota plants in
: the USA. My conclusion is the detroit three are coming back like a thunder.
:
: 20)
: Producing
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 10 Another thing I am predicting is that "ford will be fucked up by GM in the
future". UAW gave further concession to GM in bankruptcy. Those cost saving
benefit is denied for ford. GM's debts is $100 billions less than ford. The
overall cost of GM is 8 billions less per year that can be spent on research
or pushing other car makers like ford or toyota to bankruptcy. |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 11 everyone will be fucked up by socialism planed economy and communism central
gov dictatorship.
from this point, you are truly right.
saving
The
research
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Another thing I am predicting is that "ford will be fucked up by GM in the
: future". UAW gave further concession to GM in bankruptcy. Those cost saving
: benefit is denied for ford. GM's debts is $100 billions less than ford. The
: overall cost of GM is 8 billions less per year that can be spent on research
: or pushing other car makers like ford or toyota to bankruptcy.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 12 This is misguided. GM workers now have to work harder yet get less pay than
other car makers. Government gave GM a fresh start with much lower cost
structure by sacrificing original investors. In a commodity business like
car making, lower cost producer always wins in the end. Ford does well now
riding the GM government aide stigma. But the goodwill will always disappear
in time in a commodity business. GM is far from government run enterprise.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: everyone will be fucked up by socialism planed economy and communism central
: gov dictatorship.
: from this point, you are truly right.
:
: saving
: The
: research
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 13 you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.
than
disappear
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: This is misguided. GM workers now have to work harder yet get less pay than
: other car makers. Government gave GM a fresh start with much lower cost
: structure by sacrificing original investors. In a commodity business like
: car making, lower cost producer always wins in the end. Ford does well now
: riding the GM government aide stigma. But the goodwill will always disappear
: in time in a commodity business. GM is far from government run enterprise.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 14 No need to discuss it any further. We will see how GM performs in 1 year, 2
years, 5 years, and 10 years in the future.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: you put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.
:
: than
: disappear
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 15 i dont need to.
4 years ago, i discussed same thing with ignorant nerds like you about gold
and gse.
look what they stand now.
something called wise which only comes with experience and big picture common
sense. you ignorant kids just dont have it.
2
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: No need to discuss it any further. We will see how GM performs in 1 year, 2
: years, 5 years, and 10 years in the future.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 16 Do you buy the gold and short GSE? Talk is always cheap and you have to vote
with your action (money in this case)
gold
common
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: i dont need to.
: 4 years ago, i discussed same thing with ignorant nerds like you about gold
: and gse.
: look what they stand now.
: something called wise which only comes with experience and big picture common
: sense. you ignorant kids just dont have it.
:
: 2
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t***e
发帖数: 3601 | 17 Yeah right. we only blame 99% Union. |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 18 you are one fucking stupid shit!
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Investment/26421321.html
vote
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Do you buy the gold and short GSE? Talk is always cheap and you have to vote
: with your action (money in this case)
:
: gold
: common
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 19 you know what?
you can keep making yourself a fool, i dont want to give you further free
education any more.
why should i?
lol...
vote
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Do you buy the gold and short GSE? Talk is always cheap and you have to vote
: with your action (money in this case)
:
: gold
: common
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