f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 呵呵，这个red pro Hal Lubarsky也是玩40BB short stack。
今天让俺逮了2次，这家伙其实挺直白的。
这把俺raise pre, check flop，他turn上就来劲了。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 2 前言：
哥一直跟朋友讲，打牌绝对不能无脑模式化，要有质疑精神，钻研精神。可是哥自己始
终还是无法坚决贯彻。浪费了真金白银买来的hm2的大好资源。每天貌似打很多手牌，
但是打过算过，也不复盘总结，这样下去真的是白白浪费中年的大好时光。
哥最终还是下定决心，牺牲tourney被knockout之后打dota的时间，每天花个半小时看
看复盘、写写扑克日记。
背景介绍：
哥就是屌丝中的战斗机...
2010年6月充值，从online micro stake 6－max cash game和freeroll、micro buy－
in tournament开始打起，享受着上上下下的快感，前后投入总额270刀，逐步升级，
2013年之前主打50NL 6－max cash game ＋ 3刀至11刀买入级别的tourney，盈利不错
。2013年头2个月running super good，重心逐步转到tourney，对tourney strategy、
心理控制以及资金管理方面有一点点心得(虽然skill set还属中下游，每天还在不停的
犯错)。哥完全依靠数据打牌。最喜欢说的两句话，it dep... 阅读全帖 |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 3 I don't think calling here is a big problem at all. But he got a point here.
Basically you are shortstacking online NL500. 40BB is not a good stack for
JTo, I will not play them often until most ppl on table got deeper. 40BB
stack is for top pair type of hand. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 pretty normal.
SB vs BB. I am sb, have aqo. I limp, BB raise to 3.5bb, I reraise to 10bb.
BB(40BB) allin, I call. he has q8o
same guy, he is button, I am sb.
He raises to 3bb on button, I(57o) reraise to 10bb(, 40bb altogether for me)
, He shoves allin. I know I am behind, but can not behind too much. Though a
while, and I call. He has a4o.
range非常广， 不愿意我和我玩post flop， 然后我的小对，AJ, AT, 小联牌还真不敢
call 他们， 只好fold。我经常在UTG用小同花联牌raise 3bb， 吓唬人， sb+bb 9块
钱， 不抢白不抢。
的位置all in, 被我抓了几个AQ。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 5 哈哈
故事很曲折：
第一把在turn拿到straight, 被一个拿两对的raise了， 我call, river我又来了同花
， 结果两对的来了full house, 输了40bb。
然后很郁闷， 后来在button拿到AK, 前面两个4bb， 我剩40bb就all了， 被一个疑是
中国人的家伙用66 call 了， 我在turn有2 high card+flush draw， 但是没来， 输
了。
后来又放入80bb, UTG拿到AA, 3xbb, 被这个仇人和另外一个call 了， flop Jc7c6d,
check 到仇人， 他bet 8bb, 另外一个call, 我raise 到28bb, 仇人call, 另外一个
all in 80 bb, 我想了半天， 不服， call 了，仇人也call了， 大家亮牌， 仇人67s
, 两对， 另外一个QTs flush draw, 我想， 又tmd的玩完了。
借个turn, 8, river 8, 被俺赢了， 哈哈哈。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 6 Say you have 40BB at CO and BTN has 10BB (9-handed, avg chip 20BB).
You raise 2.5BB w/ K8s at CO and BTN allin (or 3x), SB/BB fold.
The standard action is call.
The other way, you are at BB(40BB) w/ K8s and BTN (Short stack with 8BB)
raise 2.4BB. The stardard action is allin.
towards |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 It is not necessary(非凡的连续的运气).
Sometimes, I do not get involved in any pre-flop allin on the final 2 tables
, and final tables. At least, we should avoid pre-flop allins if we do have
a stack.
[I remember a mistake I have made one week ago. I have aqo from btn, I raise
to 2.2X, SB(who has already 3bet me 8 times) repop to 9X, I shove in with
40BB. It is so stupid, because I know that turney's structure very well, I
only need 20BB to enter into the FT, 40BB has enough play on FT. My point is
that... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 8 I have two goals. 1) win WSOP package. It did not happen.
2) Win a MTT. I mean win it not just at final table. I had a few final
tables.
But either made mistakes or go for deal. Have not happened yet. But one
month
to try. Might MiniFTOP is place to go.
Last weekend, at one final table made silly mistake wtice. Call allin from
short stack TWICE. 1) raise 2.4BB at CO w/ A8s and call allin from SB (1/4
chip). SB had JJ and held. 2) SB limpin and BB/I raise to 3BB. SB allin (1/3
chip), I tank(I kno... 阅读全帖 |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 9 lots of rocks, haha. for 40bb effective, snap call with AKo. she is never
folding, so it is a shove essentially. I play some hu cash game online, and
I think for 40bb, AJo/77+ is snap call against a 3bet/4bet shove. With AKo,
in general I think we can call off like 100bb? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Irvine, broadcom???
40BB 是shallow stack cash game. 网上也有50bb买入的cash game.
bicycle好像还举办过WPT.
40BB |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 11 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - Yeah! Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is h... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 哥越来越体会到，越到后来，payout jump对决策的影响越大，只凭感觉来决定对策，
真的是在送钱。争取这个星期内，在原来的app上加入icm的计算。
昨晚手贱，8点的时候报了一个低买入高保证金的tourney，尼玛900人，整整耗了哥6个
半小时，只赢了一点点零花钱。
分享两手牌，哥不确定自己打的对不对，看看大家意见。
hand 1, ~40bb stack, position 5/11, hero kjo 19/17/6 open 2.5bb on utg+1,
all fold to sb, 18bb stack 21/15/4, who is an average player with not- high
aggression factor, call, bb fold
(pot ~6.2bb)flop 2c6cJd, villain check, hero bet ~3.8bb, v call
(pot ~14bb)turn 8h, v check, hero bet ~4.6bb, v call
(pot ~24bb)river 9s, v donk pot size ... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 13 hero image, tag, thinking player (usually think too long no matter what hand
he has, lol)
villain image, loose, read people, and able to make move, wild range, was
back from on tilt and has 350bb stack
hero has villain covered
table starts to be very loose, since several players got 200bb+ stack
here is the hand, ep raised to 4bb, 3 callers(including MP villain), hero
with Qh7h call at button
Flop Qs3d6s, pot 20bb(in original post it was 40bb as typo), check to hero,
hero bet 10bb, villain call,... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 Harrington wrote that if you are beating a live game for 10BB/hr, you're
crushing it. That's $20/hr at 1/2 and $50/hr at 2/5. That doesn't mean that
you can't beat it for more, it just means that over time winning that much
means you're vastly superior than your opponents. Most people don't sustain
that over a long period of time because they move up to win more money.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/170/live-low-stakes-nl/offici
我理解Harrington这句话的意思，是打live 1/2NL长期超过 $20/hour是可以做到的。
但是能做到这个的人不会... 阅读全帖 |
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 15 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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f********d
发帖数: 796 | 16 本人从2016年初开始打牌，一直努力学习。目前主打bovada 9max NL50.我会把每天有
意思的牌普记录下来，有打的臭的，打的好的。大家一起讨论学习。
从7月开始用软件记录自己的成绩，目前好像是5bb/100 hand，大概2-3万手牌吧。之前
在水木上贴牌普，以后两边一起更新。
hand8
好久没来了，发两手nit fold
hero has KJo MP, V open 3bb EP. Hero call. both has around 100bb
flop JJ8 R, V check, hero bet 60% pot. V call
Turn 4, now board has two d. V check , hero bet 70% pot. V call
River is 7d, V shove allin. Hero tank fold
这个对手有点疯，但是我读他可能是88，9dTd这样的牌。
hand 9
hero has AKo MP open 3bb，V is in CO call the open. both 100b
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 17 I don't think calling here is a big problem at all. But he got a point here.
Basically you are shortstacking online NL500. 40BB is not a good stack for
JTo, I will not play them often until most ppl on table got deeper. 40BB
stack is for top pair type of hand. |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 20 I don't like the call in hand 1, because if you call then you give odds to
the two guy behind you very good odds to come in. Your JJ is a pretty good
hand heads-up but if another guy or two join the pot it's hard to continue.
I would just go all-in here assuming you aren't very deep, for 40BB I'm
pretty happy to go against a weird limp-reraise dude with JJ.
hand 2 I'll 2nd barrel and fold to a raise.
hand 3 is probably a fold because i think showing a card is pretty strong
move.
I saw all the r |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 21 I do not know how many M I have. But I guess a lot, since only 2 ppl left,
we have all the chips, and the tourney is not a turbo one.
That game is crazy, I have 2:1 chip leader in the beginning. When I limp
the button, that guy shoves. When I raise the button, that guy shoves. When
I am in the blinds, he shoves. Every time, it is a 30-40BB shove, I just can
not call.
Finally I get unpatient, and limp with K7 suited, he shoves, I call, and
lose the game.
I do not know SAGE. What is that?
conclu |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 22 i wrote a whole paragraph then accidentally eraised them all. . . will try
to be brief here:
if it was 30-40bb, then you made a huge mistake by calling with K7s. just a
little bit of patience will get you there. i would wait for the top 10%
hands to call, that would give you more than 60% chance against a random
hand.
SAGE only come into play when one of you are short stacked (less than 10bb).
it is basically an unexploiable jam-fold stragety when you don't want to
give your oppo any edge. i |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 I do not play so many HU games. Maybe around 250 games all together.
But in any games(even cash games), you have to defend your blinds. Suppose
you have aqo in the blinds, you have 40BB+ stack, you have to play that hand.
Sometimes, in early stage of a tourney, I will pass the AQo hand off in the
blinds.
Since not so much value for these hands.
But in later stages, the blinds is so high, you are forced to play q8o in
the blinds sometimes, since you know button raise does not mean he has much
a h |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 24 even for 1000 hands per day, that's 40BB/100hands.
It is crushing micro stake.
百, |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 wow, must be a very loose game.
5BB and most players called? then the pot on flop should be 40BB or so, 12.
5BB is too small for protecting a big ace hand.
but still, you should fold:
1) you're counting on 2 outers, 8% chance. actually even less, since you can
barely call another bet on turn (if you miss). he might check though but
there're too many ppl in the hand.
2) you're out of position in a multi-way pot;
3) you may totally draw dead, such a flop is good for hands like TT/88. even
loose su |
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p*****s
发帖数: 33 | 26 Totally agree, 95% I will not call this kind of shove. And if he has 20-
40BB, 100% I will not call.
Here is the reason why I called with AQ.
I felt he has a small pair or less and happy to make 10BB profit by kicking
everyone out with big stack. He most likely will raise to around 8-10BB if
he has 3), 4-6BB if he has 4) or 5).
Problem is even if you got the read right, the luck still screwed you... :) |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 观察了一下，将mini-buyin从20BB提高到35BB，对于short stacker很难受，明显少多
了。
典型short stacker的主要战术无外乎：
1) shove with premium hands (99+, AJs+)，位置越靠后，牌越弱。以前这么干，很
少有人会call，因为20BB这个大小很烦。
2) 偷，尤其是在靠后，4x 左右，或者SB vs. BB, Button vs. SB/BB (BSB play)，通
过小偷小摸来弥补blinds的损失，继续熬大牌。
所以short stacker基本上没有out of position的post flop play。加上N桌同时进行
，薄利多收，那桌double up就跑。
现在这个size逼得它们更紧，也使得它们的implied odds变好，4x什么的很可能有人会
跟，而post flop play是它们的软肋，多桌也导致它们分散精力，机械打法的效益大大
下降。
虽然有新的shallow table(20-40BB)，但是那里大家都是short，同类相残，起手牌，
打法类似，edge很小。
对FTP而言， |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 29 这把牌我昨天有过类似的经历。
I was short stack with 40bb @ UTG, KK, bet 3bb, middle position raised to
8bb, button called 8bb, I called. Flop Q35, I checked, MP bet 15 bb, button
all in 20 BB. I somehow knew that one of them had AA while the other had QQ,
just to confirm my assumption, I called 20bb. MP re-raise all in, I called
with rest 12bb, hoped to hit a K.
No K showed up, MP had AA, button had QQ. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 30 UTG raise 6, I called with T7s at cut off, then David all in 40bb @ SB, both
folded. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 31 NL100 Rush poker
昨晚9Ts是我的幸运牌， 赢了一次AK， 一次KK
1. Stack 80BB, I was UTG 9dTd bet 3bb, MP 3bet to 10BB, I called. Heads up. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
2. Stack 100BB, I was UTG 9dTd bet 3bb, UTG+1 raised to 8bb, I called. Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with his rest 50BB |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 32 总结：
UTG+1 3Bet 80%应该是AA/KK， middle position 3Bet range AA/KK/AK/QQ.
把握好了对手的range， 能够不用nuts就能搞死他们。
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. UTG+1 showed KcKs. |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 33 good play. calling down 3 bet out of position sometimes can be profitable.
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 34 For the first hand, were you before or after him?
. Flop Ah9h3h, MP bet 5bb and I called. Turn blank, MP checked and I checked
, river 9c, MP bet 10bb and I raised to 20BB. MP called and showed AKo.
Heads Up. Flop 3d9cQd, I checked and UTG+1 bet pot size 18bb, I called. Turn
Ts, I checked, UTG+1 bet 40bb, I shoved with rest 74BB, UTG+1 called with
his rest 50BB, river blank. |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 35 近200bb stack, KK不值得。
40bb估计就call了。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 36 RUSH 25NL, 最近点背
不过今有所转运. 干掉AA一对.
Prefolp, I bid 4BB, the guy call (if he raise 3x, I would fold. 2x, I would call).
Flop, 99x He is drop dead. I check, he raise 4BB. I call
Turn, blank I check, he raise 8BB, I 2x, he re-raise to 40BB, I shove and he called. |
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a*****h
发帖数: 2182 | 37 很久没有在ftp打了，前段时间打得少，且都在PS，昨天一查，ftp白送5刀，再加上还有
500刀bonus，第一次试水rush
rush NL50，打了2个半小时，感觉有些明显水平高于这个level的人在里面打，太tight
不容易beat这个game，似乎网上流行的小球派比较适合。
基本打法，AA KK EP either limp or raise big, 8-10bb，limp可以找到机会rr，rai
se big flop之后好打了，基本100bb都可以handle
小对，suited connector，基本open都要小raise 2-3bb，一个偷盲，被rr之后看情况是
否跟
记得的几把牌,除了最后一把，有效stack基本都是100bb 或者以下
第一把记得的是个bb，kk ep raise 8bb, 中位call,it 40bb，flop J 10 3，我bet 10
bb，villain rr all in 我call，AJ，turn blank river J
第二把我sb open raise 3bb, bb rr 9,想了想，觉得bb没有什么，rr 27bb， |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 38 I was at cutoff with 153BB, dealt pocket Ace (nice, or wait, is it gonna be
another lost whole stack makes me freak out and broke my computer screen
hand?)
mp2 limp in, and I raised to 4.5BB, fold to SB, he raised to 11BB
hmmm, a small 4bet against a limper and my raise, what could he have?
I thought for 4bet to 40BB, but I actually called
flop 5T3 rainbow, good flop (at least I feel it's good, it probably missed
most of his range) pot 23.5BB
sb bets 19BB, pretty stand cbet, I called, I was thin |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 If you 4 bets to 40bb then your after flop decision will be much easier.
I like 4 bets all in even better. he has AK QQ KK, he will call your reshove anyway. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 40 你flop pot已经20+bb了,你手里也就剩下40bb... 这个SPR=2, 属于非常浅了 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 41 有趣的是丫几天前 AA flat call 我的AK 3bet 赢了我一次，不过只有40bb, 这次算是
报仇了。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 42 Most situations we face are marginal situations, specially making a decision
at river, call or fold. They're usually 40BB swing if you make the right
decision or not. Your notes would help a lot.
Today, one hand I remember I was having AA, I raised 3.5x bb preflop, get
two callers, one from LP, one at BB.
I bet close to pot at flop, one fold, BB raise 5x what I bet. I don't know
what to do there. I was having 300 bb, he has 200 bb. If I have some
knowledge about this guy, probably I can make mu |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 43 今天去local的一poker room，从40bb打到150bb还行
后来被桌上一个有800bb的人不停的bully，打起来很难受
middle pair啥的打起来真难
中间有一段打到了200+bb，还是被砍到了170bb
为了pot size control，fold掉好几手感觉对方利用dangerous community cards在
bluff的牌 |
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 44 主要人物：卷毛（80bb），秃头（800bb，坐卷毛下手），我（170bb，做秃头下手）
crazy hand 1：
卷毛（40bb左右）preflop raise到10bb，秃头（坐在dealer）call。
heads-up flop：29K（有diamond flush draw),卷毛bet all in，秃头 call！
final board：29K310（3张diamond）。卷毛痛苦的亮出AKo，秃头亮出23（suited 草花
）！卷毛郁闷的re-buy！
crazy hand 2：
一个early limper（30bb left），卷毛在middle position，raise到5bb，秃头call，
early limper也call了
flop：256，rainbow，limper check，卷毛 bet 16bb，秃头直接 raise到了80bb，ear
ly limper call，卷毛tank了一会儿，也call了！
最后的board：2569k，rainbow，early limper亮了9Ko（！！！),秃头亮了A7s,卷毛亮
了44（兴奋）. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 too little, 40BB each buy-in, unless you want to hit and run, lol. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 一个出名的weak tight limp 4-bets 40BB你也敢怀疑，还要turn bluff??!! 要不要压
老婆孩子房子车子腰子？
不多，只要$50。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 oh, he got 7x hand to call 40BB pre, he deserves it or any more $ then, he's
god's favorite, lol.
seriously, i thought he might have AQ, totally disappointed. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 48 40BB max, then purely short stack poker, comfort.
i play very little live now (compared with before), it's very tiring (time,
energy, etc.) and variance plays a bigger role in small volume. my style won
't win or lose big there. wasting a whole weekend for +/-200-500 (minus
costs) is so not worth it.
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Pot, |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 49 最近碰到两次怪事了:
1) hand 1, AA at MP, raise after 1 limper (40BB, short), he calls.
flop: Kxx rainbow, he checks, i bet pot, he calls
turn: blank, he checks, i bet big, he calls again with only 1 BB left.
river: blank, he checks, i bet that last 1 BB for him, he calls.
he turns over AA!!!
2) yesterday, someone limps in MP, i'm BB with trash, SB folds
flop: 44x, both check
turn: A, both check
river: K, both check, i got nothing.
he turns over 44!!!
是不是哪个这里潜水的干的好事? 俺打破头也搞不懂。 |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 50 you surely are.
I had AA, 4BB at UTG. BTN allin with 40BB. I surely call.
The donk hit K on flop and River.
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