p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 1 都说好，就也招来看
写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
但尼玛作者也太自恨了
虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
..
各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊..... |
c******n
发帖数: 16666 | |
T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 3 久仰这本自恨巨著了，没机会看过，也不想看
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | 4 就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
h**k
发帖数: 3368 | 5 这就是80年代的书。现在的公知们当年就是这本书的粉丝。
：就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
： |
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | 6 2005年出版，难道是8０年代成稿的？
【在 h**k 的大作中提到】
: 这就是80年代的书。现在的公知们当年就是这本书的粉丝。
:
: ：就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
: ：
|
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 7 对头~
这本书的思维是来源于改开之后日美跟中国的文化交流，当时学术层面上“崖山后无中
国”说被批臭，孙子们就转战民间。
根源是上个世纪二三十年代的思维，还用种族/文化这种不着调的东西研究历史。钱钟
书当年的说法是“人同此心，心同此理”，可惜钱杨不买矮子的帐，鳖共跑去捧二把刀
季羡林的臭脚。
同样七八十年代有一个思潮，用dna/考古数据以及环境演化来研究历史，其中在卡拉哈
里原始部落的大量社会调查可以算是鼻祖。
卡拉哈里的调查衍生出了个奇葩，就是灰熊猫的步兵长途激动跑死马~~~
说起来mit有个用鲁迅头像的sb，言必称斯坦福考古教授写的某本书，算是运用新研究
方式来强调西方胜过东方的新趋势。
【在 h**k 的大作中提到】
: 这就是80年代的书。现在的公知们当年就是这本书的粉丝。
:
: ：就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
: ：
|
t*****e
发帖数: 412 | 8 后清朝嘛，汉人就是四等公民。
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
m***n
发帖数: 12188 | |
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 10
I don't know why people would just summarily dismiss that idea just because
they themselves can't believe it. Just remember you never really worked
with horses, probably never rode horses, and certainly never entered into
combat with horses.
US Army General William Hazen (1830-1887), a veteran of US civil war and
Indian war, had this to say when comparing infantry and cavalry:
" In the matter of comparative cost of cavalry and infantry as proportioned
usefulness the extra cost of the former which is about as 5 to l can be
justilled only by its proportionate usefulness. This can exist where speedy
information is required or where great celerit in moving lighting men is
necessary these conditions always exist with active armies in the field.
That the mounted soldier may move faster than the foot soldier it is
necessary that the horse be regularly and well fed. This can always be done
in settled countries. But where nine tenths of our mounted service takes
place this cannot be done.
In our present service the horse merely acts as a transport to a foot
soldier. As the nature of our service all fighting is done on foot. But
the horse cannot be properly subsisted in our Indian service for to take the
wagons to carry his necessary food would impede the march to less than the
ordinary infantry rate. The result of this is, as is well known, and as is
seen every year very often, that after the fourth day's march of a mixed
command the horse does not march faster than the foot soldier and after the
seventh day the foot soldier begins out march the horse, and from that time
on the foot soldier has to end his march earlier and earlier each day to
enable the cavalry to reach the camp the same day at all "
His statement clearly indicates that cavalry can only move as fast as the
logistics allows it. If it can get adequate supplies on the route, then it
can move faster. But if it has to be supplied by a wagon train, then it's
no faster, or even slower than the foot soldiers after a few days. I think
his comment carries infinitely more weight and credibility than any of the
armchair cavalry experts out there.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 对头~
: 这本书的思维是来源于改开之后日美跟中国的文化交流，当时学术层面上“崖山后无中
: 国”说被批臭，孙子们就转战民间。
: 根源是上个世纪二三十年代的思维，还用种族/文化这种不着调的东西研究历史。钱钟
: 书当年的说法是“人同此心，心同此理”，可惜钱杨不买矮子的帐，鳖共跑去捧二把刀
: 季羡林的臭脚。
: 同样七八十年代有一个思潮，用dna/考古数据以及环境演化来研究历史，其中在卡拉哈
: 里原始部落的大量社会调查可以算是鼻祖。
: 卡拉哈里的调查衍生出了个奇葩，就是灰熊猫的步兵长途激动跑死马~~~
: 说起来mit有个用鲁迅头像的sb，言必称斯坦福考古教授写的某本书，算是运用新研究
|
|
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p****s
发帖数: 32405 | 11 太长了，谁来给翻成汉语摘要一下
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: I don't know why people would just summarily dismiss that idea just because
: they themselves can't believe it. Just remember you never really worked
: with horses, probably never rode horses, and certainly never entered into
: combat with horses.
: US Army General William Hazen (1830-1887), a veteran of US civil war and
: Indian war, had this to say when comparing infantry and cavalry:
: " In the matter of comparative cost of cavalry and infantry as proportioned
: usefulness the extra cost of the former which is about as 5 to l can be
: justilled only by its proportionate usefulness. This can exist where speedy
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 12
Basically exactly what was said in the novel.
【在 p****s 的大作中提到】
: 太长了，谁来给翻成汉语摘要一下
|
p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 13 不是说过，大动物里面，确实人地蹦得耐力,距离，都远超狮虎豹牛马这些嘛，依稀记
得......
because
proportioned
speedy
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Basically exactly what was said in the novel.
|
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 14 嘿嘿，又是这玩意，熊猫粉也就这点智商了，下次再拽的时候把单兵负重给养方式等等
等等都拿出来算~
对这个方面，最权威的是战争论行军那章，在本版偶很久很久以前就说过~
because
proportioned
speedy
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Basically exactly what was said in the novel.
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 15
Like I said. Armchair cavalry experts always think they understand the
subject better than real generals who were in real wars.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 嘿嘿，又是这玩意，熊猫粉也就这点智商了，下次再拽的时候把单兵负重给养方式等等
: 等等都拿出来算~
: 对这个方面，最权威的是战争论行军那章，在本版偶很久很久以前就说过~
:
: because
: proportioned
: speedy
|
p********8
发帖数: 2061 | 16 I want to jingxuan USA zhongtong
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Like I said. Armchair cavalry experts always think they understand the
: subject better than real generals who were in real wars.
|
B******Z
发帖数: 9193 | 17 basically, tanks are useless because they can only move as fast as the
logistics...
【在 p****s 的大作中提到】
: 太长了，谁来给翻成汉语摘要一下
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 18
if your logistics can't support tanks, then tanks are indeed useless.
Guns are also useless if your logistics can't supply bullets to your
soldiers.
Bows are useless if your logistics can't supply arrows to your soldiers.
Soldiers are useless if your logistics can't supply food to your soldiers.
War are won and lost based on logistics. Only armchair generals talk about
weapons, real soldier worry about logistics.
【在 B******Z 的大作中提到】
: basically, tanks are useless because they can only move as fast as the
: logistics...
|
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 19 太对了，快跟克劳塞维茨讲去吧~~~
乃打算啥时候征发五十万棒棒帮成吉思汗抗后勤征服世界啊？
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: if your logistics can't support tanks, then tanks are indeed useless.
: Guns are also useless if your logistics can't supply bullets to your
: soldiers.
: Bows are useless if your logistics can't supply arrows to your soldiers.
: Soldiers are useless if your logistics can't supply food to your soldiers.
: War are won and lost based on logistics. Only armchair generals talk about
: weapons, real soldier worry about logistics.
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 20
继续装傻充愣
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 太对了，快跟克劳塞维茨讲去吧~~~
: 乃打算啥时候征发五十万棒棒帮成吉思汗抗后勤征服世界啊？
|
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p****s
发帖数: 32405 | 21 操，你这是汉语解释吗，叉出去
【在 B******Z 的大作中提到】
: basically, tanks are useless because they can only move as fast as the
: logistics...
|
B******Z
发帖数: 9193 | 22 死扛尼副拉夫斯基说过，艺术，是从中文到英文，再到中文
【在 p****s 的大作中提到】
: 操，你这是汉语解释吗，叉出去
|
m********a
发帖数: 12601 | |
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 24 随便你怎么想，反正我只跟克劳塞维茨保持一致~
对了，你知道克劳塞维茨是谁不？
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: 继续装傻充愣
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 25
Whatever you conclusion you drew from his work was obvious sign that you
didn't understand anything you read. That entire chapter on marching was
talking about the effect of logistics on the army's ability to move. And
obviously you have missed his observation that horses and wagons suffers
more extreme losses when moving for long distances.
Army moves at the speed of its wagon train. That's how the real world works
. Whatever you imagined is just your own imagination.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 随便你怎么想，反正我只跟克劳塞维茨保持一致~
: 对了，你知道克劳塞维茨是谁不？
|
t*****e
发帖数: 412 | 26 后清国很多人喜欢。
【在 m********a 的大作中提到】
: 小说确实太自恨，看了1/3就实在看不下去了
|
x********n
发帖数: 70 | |
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 28 对，你家wagon train都是棒棒牵引的，到哪都有wagon train可以通过的路，wagon
train都四个轱辘的，步兵都是不骑马的，骑兵都只有一匹马的，骑兵整天都在马上耗
费马力，部队整队组织哨探都不需要时间的，大宗后勤都有铁路供给的~
你说的很对，太对了，风马牛不相及的玩意你能掺起来比较，比较比较明末和南北战争
骑步兵算个球啊~
你能把人家的how&why变成effect，克劳塞维茨哪有你牛啊~~~
works
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Whatever you conclusion you drew from his work was obvious sign that you
: didn't understand anything you read. That entire chapter on marching was
: talking about the effect of logistics on the army's ability to move. And
: obviously you have missed his observation that horses and wagons suffers
: more extreme losses when moving for long distances.
: Army moves at the speed of its wagon train. That's how the real world works
: . Whatever you imagined is just your own imagination.
|
w********h
发帖数: 1041 | 29 我还以为就我觉得这书自恨无极限呢，当年看时还没自恨这词 |
t***o
发帖数: 19256 | 30 土工也是这个调调
五四青年和鲁迅，本质就是自恨
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
|
|
p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 31 都说好，就也招来看
写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
但尼玛作者也太自恨了
虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
..
各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊..... |
c******n
发帖数: 16666 | |
T***c
发帖数: 17256 | 33 久仰这本自恨巨著了，没机会看过，也不想看
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | 34 就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
h**k
发帖数: 3368 | 35 这就是80年代的书。现在的公知们当年就是这本书的粉丝。
：就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
： |
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | 36 2005年出版，难道是8０年代成稿的？
【在 h**k 的大作中提到】
: 这就是80年代的书。现在的公知们当年就是这本书的粉丝。
:
: ：就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
: ：
|
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 37 对头~
这本书的思维是来源于改开之后日美跟中国的文化交流，当时学术层面上“崖山后无中
国”说被批臭，孙子们就转战民间。
根源是上个世纪二三十年代的思维，还用种族/文化这种不着调的东西研究历史。钱钟
书当年的说法是“人同此心，心同此理”，可惜钱杨不买矮子的帐，鳖共跑去捧二把刀
季羡林的臭脚。
同样七八十年代有一个思潮，用dna/考古数据以及环境演化来研究历史，其中在卡拉哈
里原始部落的大量社会调查可以算是鼻祖。
卡拉哈里的调查衍生出了个奇葩，就是灰熊猫的步兵长途激动跑死马~~~
说起来mit有个用鲁迅头像的sb，言必称斯坦福考古教授写的某本书，算是运用新研究
方式来强调西方胜过东方的新趋势。
【在 h**k 的大作中提到】
: 这就是80年代的书。现在的公知们当年就是这本书的粉丝。
:
: ：就一文科生在抒情，思维还停留在8０年代
: ：
|
t*****e
发帖数: 412 | 38 后清朝嘛，汉人就是四等公民。
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
|
m***n
发帖数: 12188 | |
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 40
I don't know why people would just summarily dismiss that idea just because
they themselves can't believe it. Just remember you never really worked
with horses, probably never rode horses, and certainly never entered into
combat with horses.
US Army General William Hazen (1830-1887), a veteran of US civil war and
Indian war, had this to say when comparing infantry and cavalry:
" In the matter of comparative cost of cavalry and infantry as proportioned
usefulness the extra cost of the former which is about as 5 to l can be
justilled only by its proportionate usefulness. This can exist where speedy
information is required or where great celerit in moving lighting men is
necessary these conditions always exist with active armies in the field.
That the mounted soldier may move faster than the foot soldier it is
necessary that the horse be regularly and well fed. This can always be done
in settled countries. But where nine tenths of our mounted service takes
place this cannot be done.
In our present service the horse merely acts as a transport to a foot
soldier. As the nature of our service all fighting is done on foot. But
the horse cannot be properly subsisted in our Indian service for to take the
wagons to carry his necessary food would impede the march to less than the
ordinary infantry rate. The result of this is, as is well known, and as is
seen every year very often, that after the fourth day's march of a mixed
command the horse does not march faster than the foot soldier and after the
seventh day the foot soldier begins out march the horse, and from that time
on the foot soldier has to end his march earlier and earlier each day to
enable the cavalry to reach the camp the same day at all "
His statement clearly indicates that cavalry can only move as fast as the
logistics allows it. If it can get adequate supplies on the route, then it
can move faster. But if it has to be supplied by a wagon train, then it's
no faster, or even slower than the foot soldiers after a few days. I think
his comment carries infinitely more weight and credibility than any of the
armchair cavalry experts out there.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 对头~
: 这本书的思维是来源于改开之后日美跟中国的文化交流，当时学术层面上“崖山后无中
: 国”说被批臭，孙子们就转战民间。
: 根源是上个世纪二三十年代的思维，还用种族/文化这种不着调的东西研究历史。钱钟
: 书当年的说法是“人同此心，心同此理”，可惜钱杨不买矮子的帐，鳖共跑去捧二把刀
: 季羡林的臭脚。
: 同样七八十年代有一个思潮，用dna/考古数据以及环境演化来研究历史，其中在卡拉哈
: 里原始部落的大量社会调查可以算是鼻祖。
: 卡拉哈里的调查衍生出了个奇葩，就是灰熊猫的步兵长途激动跑死马~~~
: 说起来mit有个用鲁迅头像的sb，言必称斯坦福考古教授写的某本书，算是运用新研究
|
|
|
p****s
发帖数: 32405 | 41 太长了，谁来给翻成汉语摘要一下
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: I don't know why people would just summarily dismiss that idea just because
: they themselves can't believe it. Just remember you never really worked
: with horses, probably never rode horses, and certainly never entered into
: combat with horses.
: US Army General William Hazen (1830-1887), a veteran of US civil war and
: Indian war, had this to say when comparing infantry and cavalry:
: " In the matter of comparative cost of cavalry and infantry as proportioned
: usefulness the extra cost of the former which is about as 5 to l can be
: justilled only by its proportionate usefulness. This can exist where speedy
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 42
Basically exactly what was said in the novel.
【在 p****s 的大作中提到】
: 太长了，谁来给翻成汉语摘要一下
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p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 43 不是说过，大动物里面，确实人地蹦得耐力,距离，都远超狮虎豹牛马这些嘛，依稀记
得......
because
proportioned
speedy
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Basically exactly what was said in the novel.
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M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 44 嘿嘿，又是这玩意，熊猫粉也就这点智商了，下次再拽的时候把单兵负重给养方式等等
等等都拿出来算~
对这个方面，最权威的是战争论行军那章，在本版偶很久很久以前就说过~
because
proportioned
speedy
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Basically exactly what was said in the novel.
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 45
Like I said. Armchair cavalry experts always think they understand the
subject better than real generals who were in real wars.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 嘿嘿，又是这玩意，熊猫粉也就这点智商了，下次再拽的时候把单兵负重给养方式等等
: 等等都拿出来算~
: 对这个方面，最权威的是战争论行军那章，在本版偶很久很久以前就说过~
:
: because
: proportioned
: speedy
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p********8
发帖数: 2061 | 46 I want to jingxuan USA zhongtong
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Like I said. Armchair cavalry experts always think they understand the
: subject better than real generals who were in real wars.
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B******Z
发帖数: 9193 | 47 basically, tanks are useless because they can only move as fast as the
logistics...
【在 p****s 的大作中提到】
: 太长了，谁来给翻成汉语摘要一下
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 48
if your logistics can't support tanks, then tanks are indeed useless.
Guns are also useless if your logistics can't supply bullets to your
soldiers.
Bows are useless if your logistics can't supply arrows to your soldiers.
Soldiers are useless if your logistics can't supply food to your soldiers.
War are won and lost based on logistics. Only armchair generals talk about
weapons, real soldier worry about logistics.
【在 B******Z 的大作中提到】
: basically, tanks are useless because they can only move as fast as the
: logistics...
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M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 49 太对了，快跟克劳塞维茨讲去吧~~~
乃打算啥时候征发五十万棒棒帮成吉思汗抗后勤征服世界啊？
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: if your logistics can't support tanks, then tanks are indeed useless.
: Guns are also useless if your logistics can't supply bullets to your
: soldiers.
: Bows are useless if your logistics can't supply arrows to your soldiers.
: Soldiers are useless if your logistics can't supply food to your soldiers.
: War are won and lost based on logistics. Only armchair generals talk about
: weapons, real soldier worry about logistics.
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 50
继续装傻充愣
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 太对了，快跟克劳塞维茨讲去吧~~~
: 乃打算啥时候征发五十万棒棒帮成吉思汗抗后勤征服世界啊？
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p****s
发帖数: 32405 | 51 操，你这是汉语解释吗，叉出去
【在 B******Z 的大作中提到】
: basically, tanks are useless because they can only move as fast as the
: logistics...
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B******Z
发帖数: 9193 | 52 死扛尼副拉夫斯基说过，艺术，是从中文到英文，再到中文
【在 p****s 的大作中提到】
: 操，你这是汉语解释吗，叉出去
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m********a
发帖数: 12601 | |
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 54 随便你怎么想，反正我只跟克劳塞维茨保持一致~
对了，你知道克劳塞维茨是谁不？
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: 继续装傻充愣
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 55
Whatever you conclusion you drew from his work was obvious sign that you
didn't understand anything you read. That entire chapter on marching was
talking about the effect of logistics on the army's ability to move. And
obviously you have missed his observation that horses and wagons suffers
more extreme losses when moving for long distances.
Army moves at the speed of its wagon train. That's how the real world works
. Whatever you imagined is just your own imagination.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 随便你怎么想，反正我只跟克劳塞维茨保持一致~
: 对了，你知道克劳塞维茨是谁不？
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t*****e
发帖数: 412 | 56 后清国很多人喜欢。
【在 m********a 的大作中提到】
: 小说确实太自恨，看了1/3就实在看不下去了
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x********n
发帖数: 70 | |
M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 58 对，你家wagon train都是棒棒牵引的，到哪都有wagon train可以通过的路，wagon
train都四个轱辘的，步兵都是不骑马的，骑兵都只有一匹马的，骑兵整天都在马上耗
费马力，部队整队组织哨探都不需要时间的，大宗后勤都有铁路供给的~
你说的很对，太对了，风马牛不相及的玩意你能掺起来比较，比较比较明末和南北战争
骑步兵算个球啊~
你能把人家的how&why变成effect，克劳塞维茨哪有你牛啊~~~
works
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Whatever you conclusion you drew from his work was obvious sign that you
: didn't understand anything you read. That entire chapter on marching was
: talking about the effect of logistics on the army's ability to move. And
: obviously you have missed his observation that horses and wagons suffers
: more extreme losses when moving for long distances.
: Army moves at the speed of its wagon train. That's how the real world works
: . Whatever you imagined is just your own imagination.
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w********h
发帖数: 1041 | 59 我还以为就我觉得这书自恨无极限呢，当年看时还没自恨这词 |
t***o
发帖数: 19256 | 60 土工也是这个调调
五四青年和鲁迅，本质就是自恨
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
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c******i
发帖数: 4091 | 61 用鲁迅来衬托狼图腾，过了。
鲁迅真不是自恨，看后清现在的愚民，喜欢狼图腾这种书，就知道为什么鲁迅整天骂了。
呵呵
【在 t***o 的大作中提到】
: 土工也是这个调调
: 五四青年和鲁迅，本质就是自恨
:
: ..
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s*******n
发帖数: 10426 | 62 这书主要问题是社会达尔文主义和法西斯主义。
至于华夏民族行不行，历史在19世纪就已经证明了。
..
【在 p********a 的大作中提到】
: 都说好，就也招来看
: 写狼挺好，有意思，新知识
: 但尼玛作者也太自恨了
: 虽然明白他的恨意来源，但是丫字里行间暗示的恨不能漂白重生脱亚入欧，你妹的....
: ..
: 各种华夏低劣，农耕狭窄，我去......
: 难怪这书不红，中国人不容易看下去啊.....
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s*******n
发帖数: 10426 | 63 哈哈，还有人记得我，用不着ian morris的书，历史在19世纪已经证明人类走出非洲后
的众多分基地里哪个去的最终胜利了，中国早就GG了，game was over.
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 对头~
: 这本书的思维是来源于改开之后日美跟中国的文化交流，当时学术层面上“崖山后无中
: 国”说被批臭，孙子们就转战民间。
: 根源是上个世纪二三十年代的思维，还用种族/文化这种不着调的东西研究历史。钱钟
: 书当年的说法是“人同此心，心同此理”，可惜钱杨不买矮子的帐，鳖共跑去捧二把刀
: 季羡林的臭脚。
: 同样七八十年代有一个思潮，用dna/考古数据以及环境演化来研究历史，其中在卡拉哈
: 里原始部落的大量社会调查可以算是鼻祖。
: 卡拉哈里的调查衍生出了个奇葩，就是灰熊猫的步兵长途激动跑死马~~~
: 说起来mit有个用鲁迅头像的sb，言必称斯坦福考古教授写的某本书，算是运用新研究
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M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 64 为什么说你丫2？
因为你用个挺现代挺时髦的东西，来推导出一个纯属扯淡的结论~~~
你跟熊猫粉就是一个硬币的两面，都是2到连命题都搞错了~~~
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，还有人记得我，用不着ian morris的书，历史在19世纪已经证明人类走出非洲后
: 的众多分基地里哪个去的最终胜利了，中国早就GG了，game was over.
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s*******n
发帖数: 10426 | 65 那研究不是我搞的，书也不是我写的，他的结论怎么样学界也自有评价。
我只不过就是强调下中华文明已经在世界各文明竞争中失败了，这个基本事实罢了，都
过去100多年了，很多中国人还不能正视自己的历史，还好意思说日本、韩国怎么怎么
样，LOL
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 为什么说你丫2？
: 因为你用个挺现代挺时髦的东西，来推导出一个纯属扯淡的结论~~~
: 你跟熊猫粉就是一个硬币的两面，都是2到连命题都搞错了~~~
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 66 社会达尔文主义怎么了？
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这书主要问题是社会达尔文主义和法西斯主义。
: 至于华夏民族行不行，历史在19世纪就已经证明了。
:
: ..
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s*******n
发帖数: 10426 | 67 社会达尔文主义宣扬不平等、种族主义那些东西。
你愿意生活在一个人吃人的社会还是愿意生活在一个人们相互关爱的社会？
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 社会达尔文主义怎么了？
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y***i
发帖数: 11639 | 68 大学的时候就已经证明你比马云牛了，幼儿园的时候就证明你比爱因斯坦牛了。Game
早over 的不能再over 了。
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，还有人记得我，用不着ian morris的书，历史在19世纪已经证明人类走出非洲后
: 的众多分基地里哪个去的最终胜利了，中国早就GG了，game was over.
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M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 69 当然不是你搞的，你要是能看懂人家玩的花活你就不用跪着连口热的都吃不上了~~~
跟你说吧，用那种方式研究历史，就没有“中国文化”这个名词，还学界……学NM界啊
……你第一次拿出来的时候就跟你说了，那货早被批烂了……你自己孤陋寡闻不知道罢
了……
日本韩国历史学界这些年还真出了不少东西，不过好多都打了他们以前的假设的脸，所
以报纸上没得吹，你也就不知道了。
钱钟书讲的是人同此心，心同此理，你能明白那是啥意思么？还学界，学你妹啊~~~
给你说个打脸的吧，盎格鲁撒克逊人总是强调自己如何征服大不列颠，但是最新的考古
证明，自称的盎格鲁撒克逊人DNA只有10%左右来自古撒克逊。你美爹这些年来一直就没
认对爹~~~
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 那研究不是我搞的，书也不是我写的，他的结论怎么样学界也自有评价。
: 我只不过就是强调下中华文明已经在世界各文明竞争中失败了，这个基本事实罢了，都
: 过去100多年了，很多中国人还不能正视自己的历史，还好意思说日本、韩国怎么怎么
: 样，LOL
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M*****G
发帖数: 3105 | 70 你这是真2啊……
“人们相互关爱的社会”？？？i服了u……
你大学怎么毕得业？还是美国大学不讲现代社会的基础是长远利益最大化原则？
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 社会达尔文主义宣扬不平等、种族主义那些东西。
: 你愿意生活在一个人吃人的社会还是愿意生活在一个人们相互关爱的社会？
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B******Z
发帖数: 9193 | 71 英雄你这也是自恨届的一朵奇葩啊
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 那研究不是我搞的，书也不是我写的，他的结论怎么样学界也自有评价。
: 我只不过就是强调下中华文明已经在世界各文明竞争中失败了，这个基本事实罢了，都
: 过去100多年了，很多中国人还不能正视自己的历史，还好意思说日本、韩国怎么怎么
: 样，LOL
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 72 Yeah, Longbow was effective one day as well.
because
proportioned
speedy
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Whatever you conclusion you drew from his work was obvious sign that you
: didn't understand anything you read. That entire chapter on marching was
: talking about the effect of logistics on the army's ability to move. And
: obviously you have missed his observation that horses and wagons suffers
: more extreme losses when moving for long distances.
: Army moves at the speed of its wagon train. That's how the real world works
: . Whatever you imagined is just your own imagination.
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 73 现在是21世纪,有些civilization是indeep shit,好像不是中国。
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这书主要问题是社会达尔文主义和法西斯主义。
: 至于华夏民族行不行，历史在19世纪就已经证明了。
:
: ..
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 74 中国现在就在玩啊,好像有些国家玩不下去了。
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 社会达尔文主义怎么了？
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s******e
发帖数: 1751 | 75 吃福利的左派当然要被关爱的社会喽。
【在 M*****G 的大作中提到】
: 你这是真2啊……
: “人们相互关爱的社会”？？？i服了u……
: 你大学怎么毕得业？还是美国大学不讲现代社会的基础是长远利益最大化原则？
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C****2
发帖数: 2904 | 76 你们韩国国家到现在还是一半，以前是向中国进贡，后来被日本殖民，连皇帝老婆也被
人强奸，现在还是被米国驻军，这就是你们大韩帝国“成功”的文明？？？棒子YY起来
真是没极限哪。
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 那研究不是我搞的，书也不是我写的，他的结论怎么样学界也自有评价。
: 我只不过就是强调下中华文明已经在世界各文明竞争中失败了，这个基本事实罢了，都
: 过去100多年了，很多中国人还不能正视自己的历史，还好意思说日本、韩国怎么怎么
: 样，LOL
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