g********u
发帖数: 8891 | 1 美国这些大公司家大业大，其实管理太乱。一家公司的CASH BACK从来不对，CANCEL了
的单照样给，有几家公司把我的单CANCEL了，礼包照寄不悟，让我都不好意思。 | s*****a
发帖数: 3387 | | h*e
发帖数: 10233 | 3 Brothers Who Defrauded Nordstrom with Online Reward Scheme Plead Guilty to
Wire Fraud
Defendants Exploited a Computer Error to Trigger $1.4 Million in Fraudulent
Payments
U.S. Attorney’s Office April 09, 2012
Western District of Washington (206) 553-7970
Two brothers pleaded guilty today to wire fraud in connection with their
scheme to defraud Nordstrom of more than $1.4 million in commissions and
rebates. Andrew S. Chiu, 29, of Anaheim, California; and Allen J. Chiu, 37,
of Dallas, Texas, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Seattle.
The brothers devised a scheme to defraud Nordstrom after they had already
been barred for purchasing any goods from the Nordstrom.com website. Because
Nordstrom quickly notified law enforcement, the U.S. Attorney’s Office was
able to seize more than $970,000 in illegally derived assets which will be
applied toward the restitution owed to Nordstrom. U.S. District Judge
Ricardo S. Martinez is scheduled to sentence the Chiu brothers on July 13,
2012.
According to records filed in the case, in 2008 the Chiu brothers were
barred from ordering merchandise from Nordstrom.com because of excessive
claims for refunds based on representations that merchandise had never been
delivered. However, both brothers continued to try to place orders with
Nordstrom.com. Both men belong to FatWallet Inc., a membership-based
shopping community website that promotes various online retailers by
providing coupons and cash back incentives for purchases. FatWallet paid
cash back rewards to the Chiu brothers for purchases made at various online
retailers, including Nordstrom.com. In January 2010, the brothers discovered
they could exploit a computer programming error in Nordstrom’s ordering
system by placing orders that would ultimately be blocked by Nordstrom. No
merchandise would ship and nothing would be charged to their credit card.
However, Nordstrom would unknowingly continue to compensate FatWallet for
the order, and the brothers would still receive the cash back credit from
FatWallet. Between January 2010 and continuing through October 2011, the
Chiu brothers collectively placed more than $23 million in fraudulent orders
through Nordstrom.com. The fraudulent ordering resulted in Nordstrom paying
$1.4 million in rebates and commissions, with more than $650,000 in
fraudulent cash back payments going directly to the brothers. The error that
permitted the continued payment of rebates in the ordering system has since
been fixed.
Under the terms of the plea agreement, prosecutors will recommend a sentence
of no more than 30 months in prison, and the brothers can request no less
than 24 months in prison. However, Judge Martinez is not bound by the
recommendations and can impose any sentence allowed by law up to the maximum
20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
The case was investigated by the FBI. The case was prosecuted by Assistant
United States Attorneys Katheryn Kim Frierson and Francis Franze-Nakamura.
For additional information please contact Emily Langlie, Public Affairs
Officer for the United States Attorney’s Office, at (206) 553-4110 or Emily
.******[email protected] | g********u
发帖数: 8891 | 4 我不知道肿么办，拿了这些不该拿的钱。
【在 s*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这你也赚不了多少
| g********u
发帖数: 8891 | 5 是他们算不清，又不是我去故意搞他们的。
Fraudulent
,
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: Brothers Who Defrauded Nordstrom with Online Reward Scheme Plead Guilty to
: Wire Fraud
: Defendants Exploited a Computer Error to Trigger $1.4 Million in Fraudulent
: Payments
: U.S. Attorney’s Office April 09, 2012
: Western District of Washington (206) 553-7970
: Two brothers pleaded guilty today to wire fraud in connection with their
: scheme to defraud Nordstrom of more than $1.4 million in commissions and
: rebates. Andrew S. Chiu, 29, of Anaheim, California; and Allen J. Chiu, 37,
: of Dallas, Texas, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Seattle.
| m*r
发帖数: 37612 | 6 donate baozi here
【在 g********u 的大作中提到】
: 我不知道肿么办，拿了这些不该拿的钱。
| q******2
发帖数: 868 | | g********u
发帖数: 8891 | 8 美国人数学差，自尊心强。上几个礼拜我在邮局买20张一毛钱的邮票，黑人CASHIER只
收了1刀，我出门了才发现，不辞劳苦地回去告诉他少收我一刀了。他显得有点惊愕，
重新收了一刀。后面我看了我的CREDIT CARD,还是没有收，不知道为什么。
还有一家乱糟糟的卡公司，至今1000多刀都没有CHARGE我，我也懒得打电话去，等我感
觉好些再说吧。 | l**********r
发帖数: 1865 | 9 pai
【在 g********u 的大作中提到】
: 美国人数学差，自尊心强。上几个礼拜我在邮局买20张一毛钱的邮票，黑人CASHIER只
: 收了1刀，我出门了才发现，不辞劳苦地回去告诉他少收我一刀了。他显得有点惊愕，
: 重新收了一刀。后面我看了我的CREDIT CARD,还是没有收，不知道为什么。
: 还有一家乱糟糟的卡公司，至今1000多刀都没有CHARGE我，我也懒得打电话去，等我感
: 觉好些再说吧。
| J**S
发帖数: 25790 | 10 恩，想起同样的事件。
Fraudulent
,
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: Brothers Who Defrauded Nordstrom with Online Reward Scheme Plead Guilty to
: Wire Fraud
: Defendants Exploited a Computer Error to Trigger $1.4 Million in Fraudulent
: Payments
: U.S. Attorney’s Office April 09, 2012
: Western District of Washington (206) 553-7970
: Two brothers pleaded guilty today to wire fraud in connection with their
: scheme to defraud Nordstrom of more than $1.4 million in commissions and
: rebates. Andrew S. Chiu, 29, of Anaheim, California; and Allen J. Chiu, 37,
: of Dallas, Texas, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Seattle.
| | | R********0
发帖数: 4134 | 11 牌包子，不发包子不足平民愤
【在 g********u 的大作中提到】
: 美国人数学差，自尊心强。上几个礼拜我在邮局买20张一毛钱的邮票，黑人CASHIER只
: 收了1刀，我出门了才发现，不辞劳苦地回去告诉他少收我一刀了。他显得有点惊愕，
: 重新收了一刀。后面我看了我的CREDIT CARD,还是没有收，不知道为什么。
: 还有一家乱糟糟的卡公司，至今1000多刀都没有CHARGE我，我也懒得打电话去，等我感
: 觉好些再说吧。
| r**********r
发帖数: 2203 | | c********l
发帖数: 8138 | 13 你这个性质不一样
一个是明知道漏洞，故意地，并且多次地abuse那个漏洞，
而且用了虚假信息，所以是fraud
另一个是偶尔地，小量地，无意地。最多算是不当得利
性质差得远了。
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: Brothers Who Defrauded Nordstrom with Online Reward Scheme Plead Guilty to
: Wire Fraud
: Defendants Exploited a Computer Error to Trigger $1.4 Million in Fraudulent
: Payments
: U.S. Attorney’s Office April 09, 2012
: Western District of Washington (206) 553-7970
: Two brothers pleaded guilty today to wire fraud in connection with their
: scheme to defraud Nordstrom of more than $1.4 million in commissions and
: rebates. Andrew S. Chiu, 29, of Anaheim, California; and Allen J. Chiu, 37,
: of Dallas, Texas, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Seattle.
| o********n
发帖数: 1060 | | M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 15 这哥俩儿干得太狠了。
Fraudulent
,
【在 h*e 的大作中提到】
: Brothers Who Defrauded Nordstrom with Online Reward Scheme Plead Guilty to
: Wire Fraud
: Defendants Exploited a Computer Error to Trigger $1.4 Million in Fraudulent
: Payments
: U.S. Attorney’s Office April 09, 2012
: Western District of Washington (206) 553-7970
: Two brothers pleaded guilty today to wire fraud in connection with their
: scheme to defraud Nordstrom of more than $1.4 million in commissions and
: rebates. Andrew S. Chiu, 29, of Anaheim, California; and Allen J. Chiu, 37,
: of Dallas, Texas, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court in Seattle.
| a***a
发帖数: 85 | | g********u
发帖数: 8891 | 17 我根本不怕，他们来问我要，我绝对归还他们，但是礼包我是绝对不主动归还的，那一
千多刀的CHARGE,过段时间他们不找我，我再找他们，我现在真的感觉很差。
【在 c********l 的大作中提到】
: 你这个性质不一样
: 一个是明知道漏洞，故意地，并且多次地abuse那个漏洞，
: 而且用了虚假信息，所以是fraud
: 另一个是偶尔地，小量地，无意地。最多算是不当得利
: 性质差得远了。
| s*******n
发帖数: 639 | | w*******o
发帖数: 325 | | f**********2
发帖数: 2401 | |
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