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c******s
发帖数: 3829

我的一个邻居跟我说，他的兄弟检查出得了癌症。他不解地说，我的兄弟从来只吃
organic食品，竟然也会得病，而且是癌症。
听到这个消息真是觉得很讽刺。我想，癌症大概跟心情有关吧。不必过分迷信organic
食品。
买鸡蛋，cage free的就可以了。鸡不是整天被关在笼子里，能出来溜达散步，鸡的心
情就舒畅；鸡的心情舒畅了，下的蛋准差不了。
牛奶嘛，老早就有人说，神马牛奶都是被催出来的，都有激素。（女）人只有在哺乳期
的时候才会产奶，（奶）牛也同理。奶牛之所以能天天产奶都靠激素。所以……恩。
当然，家底殷实的，自然是要买cage free organic extra large的鸡蛋了。哈哈～
那个四十岁大叔求师傅，说“关山难越，谁悲失路之人”看得让人很揪心。为给孩子买
organic的食品发愁，其实大可不必。别太为难自己。
*关键是吃鸡蛋喝牛奶时候的心情要好。要始终抱有乐观积极的人生态度，这样孩子才会健康成长。大家在外打拼都不容易，家家有本难念的经。让我们期待，明天会更好！

f*****n
发帖数: 2599

古代也有癌症阿，谁说吃organic就能保证不得癌症的。。。。

g********u
发帖数: 8891

有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

c******s
发帖数: 3829

这位大姐言之有理！
深刻！

【在 g********u 的大作中提到】

: 有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

c********r
发帖数: 2227

怎么不记得鸡蛋上标着cage free

我的一个邻居跟我说，他的兄弟检查出得了癌症。他不解地说，我的兄弟从来只吃
organic食品，竟然也会得病，而且是癌症。
听到这个消息真是觉得很讽刺。我想，癌症大概跟心情有关吧。不必过分迷信organic
食品。
买鸡蛋，cage free的就可以了。鸡不是整天被关在笼子里，能出来溜达散步，鸡的心
情就舒畅；鸡的心情舒畅了，下的蛋准差不了。
牛奶嘛，老早就有人说，神马牛奶都是被催出来的，都有激素。（女）人只有在哺乳期
的时候才会产奶，（奶）牛也同理。奶牛之所以能天天产奶都靠激素。所以……恩。
当然，家底殷实的，自然是要买cage free organic extra large的鸡蛋了。哈哈～
那个四十岁大叔求师傅，说“关山难越，谁悲失路之人”看得让人很揪心。为给孩子买
organic的食品发愁，其实大可不必。别太为难自己。
*关键是吃鸡蛋喝牛奶时候的心情要好。要始终抱有乐观积极的人生态度，这样孩子才
会健康成长。大家在外打拼都不容易，家家有本难念的经。让我们期待，明天会更好！

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

: 我的一个邻居跟我说，他的兄弟检查出得了癌症。他不解地说，我的兄弟从来只吃
: organic食品，竟然也会得病，而且是癌症。
: 听到这个消息真是觉得很讽刺。我想，癌症大概跟心情有关吧。不必过分迷信organic
: 食品。
: 买鸡蛋，cage free的就可以了。鸡不是整天被关在笼子里，能出来溜达散步，鸡的心
: 情就舒畅；鸡的心情舒畅了，下的蛋准差不了。
: 牛奶嘛，老早就有人说，神马牛奶都是被催出来的，都有激素。（女）人只有在哺乳期
: 的时候才会产奶，（奶）牛也同理。奶牛之所以能天天产奶都靠激素。所以……恩。
: 当然，家底殷实的，自然是要买cage free organic extra large的鸡蛋了。哈哈～
: 那个四十岁大叔求师傅，说“关山难越，谁悲失路之人”看得让人很揪心。为给孩子买

c********r
发帖数: 2227

萌~

有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

【在 g********u 的大作中提到】

: 有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

u******s
发帖数: 3876

恩，命，没办法，不过有闲钱就吃点好的，至少心理舒服了

有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

【在 g********u 的大作中提到】

: 有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

c******s
发帖数: 3829

盒子上印着呢

organic

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】

: 怎么不记得鸡蛋上标着cage free
:
: 我的一个邻居跟我说，他的兄弟检查出得了癌症。他不解地说，我的兄弟从来只吃
: organic食品，竟然也会得病，而且是癌症。
: 听到这个消息真是觉得很讽刺。我想，癌症大概跟心情有关吧。不必过分迷信organic
: 食品。
: 买鸡蛋，cage free的就可以了。鸡不是整天被关在笼子里，能出来溜达散步，鸡的心
: 情就舒畅；鸡的心情舒畅了，下的蛋准差不了。
: 牛奶嘛，老早就有人说，神马牛奶都是被催出来的，都有激素。（女）人只有在哺乳期
: 的时候才会产奶，（奶）牛也同理。奶牛之所以能天天产奶都靠激素。所以……恩。

b****n
发帖数: 546

为啥一定是大叔才迷信。

c******s
发帖数: 3829

就写给那个大叔的嘛

【在 b****n 的大作中提到】

: 为啥一定是大叔才迷信。

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c********r
发帖数: 2227

恩，下次一定看看

盒子上印着呢
organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

: 盒子上印着呢
:
: organic

d*******o
发帖数: 5897

有没有更多营养不知道，但organic的鸡蛋和鸡肉确实比普通的好吃

f****w
发帖数: 138

恩，就是命

【在 g********u 的大作中提到】

: 有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

a******n
发帖数: 11246

这里有多少人以为吃了organic食品100%就不会得癌症了？。。。

organic
才会健康成长。大家在外打拼都不容易，家家有本难念的经。让我们期待，明天会更好！

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

j*n
发帖数: 1205

你对鸡蛋不挑剔
所以没有注意过

organic

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】

j*n
发帖数: 1205

就是，吃什么不重要，重要的是心情
除非，吃的东西直接影响了人的心情
本来认为生病应该跟生活习惯很大关系的
但下面的copy又彻底颠覆了我的观点
不抽烟不喝酒，63岁——林彪同志；
只喝酒不抽烟，73岁——恩来同志；
只抽烟不喝酒，83岁——主席同志；
既抽烟又喝酒，93岁——平同志；
吃喝嫖赌样样来，103 岁——张学良同志；
啥坏习惯没有，每天尽做好人好事，23岁——雷锋同志
林彪和雷锋属于意外伤亡
跟这个话题无关

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

p*******p
发帖数: 13670

要纵向比较，比如你要比较两个本来体质一样的人，然后一个不抽不喝，一个又抽又喝
说不定毛泽东不抽烟就能超过83呢？

【在 j*n 的大作中提到】

: 就是，吃什么不重要，重要的是心情
: 除非，吃的东西直接影响了人的心情
: 本来认为生病应该跟生活习惯很大关系的
: 但下面的copy又彻底颠覆了我的观点
: 不抽烟不喝酒，63岁——林彪同志；
: 只喝酒不抽烟，73岁——恩来同志；
: 只抽烟不喝酒，83岁——主席同志；
: 既抽烟又喝酒，93岁——平同志；
: 吃喝嫖赌样样来，103 岁——张学良同志；
: 啥坏习惯没有，每天尽做好人好事，23岁——雷锋同志

j*n
发帖数: 1205

嗯，纵向没法比，没准找双胞胎可以。但谁会儿做这种试验呢？看上去很残忍的样子
各人的体质不一样，我一抽烟，嗓子就上火，多痰。
我大学有个烟鬼老师，他自己说，他这样的人，已经不能戒烟了，因为他体内已经达到
一种平衡了，如果突然戒烟，打破了平衡，他就over了

【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】

: 要纵向比较，比如你要比较两个本来体质一样的人，然后一个不抽不喝，一个又抽又喝
: 说不定毛泽东不抽烟就能超过83呢？

v******8
发帖数: 707

没有逻辑，癌症也许是因为辐射或其他原因传染
文不对题，文章没有看出organic食品有什么坏处
其他一点自己的假象特例没有说服力
重写

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

a******e
发帖数: 36306

老烟鬼戒烟短时间的确会有很多问题

【在 j*n 的大作中提到】

: 嗯，纵向没法比，没准找双胞胎可以。但谁会儿做这种试验呢？看上去很残忍的样子
: 各人的体质不一样，我一抽烟，嗓子就上火，多痰。
: 我大学有个烟鬼老师，他自己说，他这样的人，已经不能戒烟了，因为他体内已经达到
: 一种平衡了，如果突然戒烟，打破了平衡，他就over了

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r*****t
发帖数: 712

不差钱，只吃organic

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

l******8
发帖数: 1691

鸡蛋确实不一样，一般便宜的鸡蛋看着都不像能吃的。

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

c******s
发帖数: 3829

你这脑子就是倒腾卡倒腾坏的。。。
我是那个意思嘛我？！

好！

【在 a******n 的大作中提到】

: 这里有多少人以为吃了organic食品100%就不会得癌症了？。。。
:
: organic
: 才会健康成长。大家在外打拼都不容易，家家有本难念的经。让我们期待，明天会更好！

c******s
发帖数: 3829

我就是对那个大叔的境遇有感而发。
你试想一下，一个在organic线上挣扎的人，突然听到有人整天吃organic的食品吃死了
的“噩耗”，是不是可以松一大口气，买非organic的食品也觉得对得起孩子了？
我举的例子确实是一个实例，但是不是特例就不知道了。
就这个思路，木法重写了。重写你给发包子啊？

【在 v******8 的大作中提到】

: 没有逻辑，癌症也许是因为辐射或其他原因传染
: 文不对题，文章没有看出organic食品有什么坏处
: 其他一点自己的假象特例没有说服力
: 重写
:
: organic

a******e
发帖数: 36306

have you ever taken GRE?

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

: 我就是对那个大叔的境遇有感而发。
: 你试想一下，一个在organic线上挣扎的人，突然听到有人整天吃organic的食品吃死了
: 的“噩耗”，是不是可以松一大口气，买非organic的食品也觉得对得起孩子了？
: 我举的例子确实是一个实例，但是不是特例就不知道了。
: 就这个思路，木法重写了。重写你给发包子啊？

b******d
发帖数: 1946

得了吧，还迷信organic呢，这版上的ws大叔都是买一刀一盒鸡蛋买盒草莓捏半天的，
谁舍得买organic

w*******r
发帖数: 2953

cage free的鸡欢乐？
我家就养鸡了，在后院四处跑，可还是每天要吵闹上好几个小时，扯着嗓子地叫唤，
根本就不欢乐。树上掉个桔子啊桃子下来，就把一群鸡吓得女人似地尖叫狂奔，魂
都没了。
不过自家的鸡蛋确实好吃，从窝里拣出来就能烧来吃，够新鲜。

b*****s
发帖数: 836

same question here.

【在 a******e 的大作中提到】

: have you ever taken GRE?

s*******a
发帖数: 921

乍一看，吓我一跳，还以为遇到高中同学了呢，原来你的是大学老师啊。

【在 j*n 的大作中提到】

w*****r
发帖数: 2540

这女人逻辑果然强悍。。。

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H*H
发帖数: 1244

cage free 不 cage free 说明不了问题。
一定要no anti biotics 的

a****y
发帖数: 1719

r***y
发帖数: 4379

很欢乐啊... 马克了

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

I*******t
发帖数: 1838

你自己这样子吧别以为大家都这样子。

【在 b******d 的大作中提到】

: 得了吧，还迷信organic呢，这版上的ws大叔都是买一刀一盒鸡蛋买盒草莓捏半天的，
: 谁舍得买organic

j****n
发帖数: 3465

organic的鸡蛋是不是一定都是cage free呢？

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

j******i
发帖数: 229

大家没听说世界上有’基因‘这末个东西吗？
祖上有癌症先例的，还是organic点好。没有的，随便吃应该也无妨。
再就是世界上还有’概率‘这末个东西。so called ’命‘

j******i
发帖数: 229

m*****s
发帖数: 2227

WHOLE SALE的豆腐可是真便宜啊

i*****n
发帖数: 53

你一拍脑门就决定癌症只跟心情有关的？没文化，真可怕。

N******5
发帖数: 2033

关键是cage free, 和健康一点的牛奶，比一般的食品只贵一点，最多多出在外面买一
个coke的钱吧，还能吃很久。省钱省不到这上面。去看看 food corporation, 就知
道了。

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m***y
发帖数: 873

自然是要买cage free organic extra large的鸡蛋了
土了
有钱都挑小的买

w*****7
发帖数: 5038

Organic才几个钱
总比吃激素强

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

C*****8
发帖数: 5758

什么organic 鸡蛋全TMD的是假地！
以前我们80年代在中国的时候记得那炖蛋出来的蛋好嫩啊跟豆腐脑一样。现在的鸡蛋不
管是organic 的还是普通的鸡蛋炖出来的全TMD的比烤夫还粗表面还一坑一哇地！我试
过好多牌子的organic 鸡蛋了。我真怀疑现在到底有没有真正organic的东西。鸡肉也
是，以前的鸡肉那叫好吃，现在的鸡肉就算是organic也`是和以前的没法比！总上所述
我强烈怀疑现在号称的organic的食物其实都是half organic而已。

C*****8
发帖数: 5758

当然是挑小的买了。

【在 m***y 的大作中提到】

: 自然是要买cage free organic extra large的鸡蛋了
: 土了
: 有钱都挑小的买

p********1
发帖数: 281

Cruisers说的挺有道理的
Organic食品也就是个概念吧
以前在国内的时候也在食品企业干过一段时间，很多时候是个概念炒作，只是把质量上
乘的产品挑出来，贴上一些标识
不觉得能比普通食品好到哪里去
只是老婆大人就是个觉得这个好，大人也不是很舍得吃，只是她觉得不能苦了孩子
俺在企业呆过，又是做生物的，自然不太迷信这个东西
但是也不能因为这个跟老婆执拗
俺还是想想门道多赚点钱，至少让他们买东西的时候不是那么掂量
记得以前的时候跟她说，让她将来有选择工作和不想工作的权利，看来还是很有距离啊
想起费翔那首歌 “我曾经豪情万丈，归来却空空的行囊”

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

M*****8
发帖数: 17722

organic
如果吃有机就不会得癌症，
那癌症作为医疗问题基本就已经解决了。

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

p********1
发帖数: 281

一命二运三风水四积阴德五读书
“命”字还是当头的

【在 g********u 的大作中提到】

: 有钱呢，可以买买。我觉得一个是命，另一个还是命。

p********1
发帖数: 281

基因方面的多态性的确导致一部分比较易得癌症
不过后天的因素也很重要
像天朝某些地方的“癌症村”
其实关键问题是
“有机”的食品，真的能够保证“有机”吗
这个词在食品上的定义还待敲定呢

【在 j******i 的大作中提到】

: 大家没听说世界上有’基因‘这末个东西吗？
: 祖上有癌症先例的，还是organic点好。没有的，随便吃应该也无妨。
: 再就是世界上还有’概率‘这末个东西。so called ’命‘

p********1
发帖数: 281

这的确是问题
“有机”这个词如何定义和如果能够保证无激素
是基本上不可能
现在鸡蛋的腥味都更小时候的不一样
而且食物全过程的“有机”很难做到
因为养殖场也很难控制饲料的来源

【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】

: 什么organic 鸡蛋全TMD的是假地！
: 以前我们80年代在中国的时候记得那炖蛋出来的蛋好嫩啊跟豆腐脑一样。现在的鸡蛋不
: 管是organic 的还是普通的鸡蛋炖出来的全TMD的比烤夫还粗表面还一坑一哇地！我试
: 过好多牌子的organic 鸡蛋了。我真怀疑现在到底有没有真正organic的东西。鸡肉也
: 是，以前的鸡肉那叫好吃，现在的鸡肉就算是organic也`是和以前的没法比！总上所述
: 我强烈怀疑现在号称的organic的食物其实都是half organic而已。

M*****8
发帖数: 17722

......................
正确，这才是最重要的。
原因在此：
http://www.freewebs.com/lasalocid/
Atrial Fibrillation Caused Or Worsened By Lasalocid Residue In Eggs
1998 - 2005 updated Nov 2006 and May 2007
Richard Gee
This Paper in PDF Format
Lasalocid is a veterinary "antibiotic" which is given as a feed supplement
to certain farm animals and poultry including birds destined to become
layers. You can read all about this highly toxic heart poison and how it is
seriously afflicting UK egg production in this April 2004 Soil Association
report, "Too Hard To Crack".
Lasalocid is sold worldwide by the pharmaceutical company Alpharma as Avatec
15% and the report calls for 'the suspension of marketing authorization for
Avatec 15%CC and Avatec 15%CC Game as a matter of urgency'. The report
shows that in 2003 'many people will have ingested quantaties of lasalocid
which exceeded, sometimes many times over, the Acceptable Daily Intake' and
that the problem is getting worse. Lasalocid is not licensed for use in
laying hens in the EU and it is thought that contaminated feed mills and
lorries, and wrong feed deliveries may be the cause. No one has been
prosecuted and when the highest level of lasalocid residue ever recorded (3,
450 micrograms/kg) was detected in 2003 no attempts were made to recall the
batch or trace its origin says the report. On page 6 of the report advice is
given which states, 'Adults with heart problems should eat only organically
produced eggs or, where this is not possible, should limit their egg
consumption, including food containing eggs, to a maximum of two in a single
day'. It is my belief that the advice given in the report stating that the
consumption of two eggs per person per day is safe is wrong. I was eating
two eggs per day most days and since 1997 (at only 43 years of age) I had
been suffering greatly with many severe attacks of atrial fibrillation
lasting about 18 hours each. Then in October of 2002, after reading a couple
of old Soil Association reports detailing the dangers of lasalocid residues
I quit eating eggs and I have not had one single attack of atrial
fibrillation in 4 years - see the 2006 update. I do however still experience
many episodes of dysrhythmia lasting about 20 or 30 seconds each on most
days (a lasting legacy of lasalocid residues in eggs?). As a precaution I
also quit consuming the other dairy products and pork meat - I never ate
beef, lamb or poultry meat. It turns out that pork may have salinomycin
residue (another highly toxic ionophore) and the dairy products milk and
cheese may be contaminated with lasalocid residue from the illegal use of
Bovatec in dairy cows. Poultry meat also has issues with lasalocid and
monensin (yet another highly toxic ionophore).
On the 15th of December 2003 the BBC Radio Four Farming Today Programme
transmitted a convertsation between Richard Young of the Soil Association (
UK) and Bob Stevenson of the British Veterinary Association. Richard Young
said that a new government report due out today would show an alarming
increase in levels of lasalocid residue in eggs. Based on the sample rates
he said that last year 500 million eggs were estimated to be contaminated
with lasalocid residues and that 40 millions were contaminated to a
worryingly high level. Given that 27 million eggs are consumed daily in the
UK the figure of 500 million poisoned eggs per year represents a whopping 20
percent contamination rate and the 40 million highly contaminated eggs
represents a significant 2 percent of all eggs. Richard Young went on to say
that he thought the drug should be banned and a safer alternative of which
there are a few should be used instead or failing that then vaccination of
the birds should be brought in but he didn't think that was likely because
of the cost differential. Vaccination costs are 7 times the cost of the
toxic drug lasalocid. Bob Stevenson of the British Veterinary Association
urged caution at the idea of replacing lasalocid with another drug because
of a fear of eventual drug resistance and the subsequent depletion in the
drug armoury available for veterinary medicine. Then, on the 17th Feb 2004
the BBC National Radio News reported that 'there is an atrial fibrillation
epidemic' which 'is estimated to cost the UK 1% of its annual national
healthcare budget' and that it has been estimated that 1 in 10 over 65's and
that 1 in 100 people overall suffer with atrial fibrillation.
Soon after the April 2004 Soil Association report "To Hard To Crack" was
published the Foods Standards Agency (UK) issued its response: 'The Food
Standards Agency is reiterating its advice about eating eggs in the light of
the Soil Association's report on a particular feed additive residue in eggs
. The report does not raise any immediate health concerns but the Agency is
continuing to press industry to ensure that the additive, lasalocid, is not
found in eggs. Lasalocid is used against internal parasites in chickens. It
is illegal to use it in the European Union for laying hens. The levels of
lasalocid in eggs do not raise any immediate health concerns for consumers.
However, for some time the FSA has been urging industry to address this
problem and is disappointed by the failure of industry to take effective
action against bad practice. The Agency is considering further measures,
such as a survey of eggs with a view to providing consumers with information
, and supporting enforcement action where necessary. The Agency's advice
about eating eggs remains unchanged, but it will be kept under review in the
light of new information'. What is its advice about how many eggs may be
eaten? 'The FSA doesn't recommend a limit on how many eggs should be eaten'.
October 2005: What are the lasalocid residue levels in eggs?
According to the Veterinary Residues Committee (VRC) 2004 report vrcar2004.
pdf which is the most recent annual report at this time, on page 37 it
states that (2.83%) or 8 of 283 samples analysed proved positive above 50
micrograms/Kg (action level) for lasalocid residues. They were 50, 67, 100,
100, 110, 190, 200 and 300 micrograms/Kg respectively. The situation in
domestic quail eggs is worse with (36.6%) or 11 of 30 egg samples testing
positive with values 40, 41, 46, 53, 55, 58, 64, 158, 170, 240 and 2399
micrograms/Kg lasalocid residues. The action level for domestic quail eggs
is 40 micrograms/Kg.
It is worth noting here that the VRC have raised the action level from 2
micrograms/Kg in 2001 to 40 micrograms/Kg in 2002 and again to 50 micrograms
/Kg in 2003. The changes mean that many low-level and even some mid-level
findings are no longer being reported as positives and when the FSA says; '
the Agency is continuing to press industry to ensure that the additive,
lasalocid, is not found in eggs' how will they then know if the VRC reports
continue to hide low and mid-range findings of lasalocid residues in eggs?
The following table from the April 2004 Soil Association report "Too Hard To
Crack" shows how residue levels have been climbing year on year leaving so
called "action levels" far behind:
It is readily apparent from the table that most of the positive reports in
the years 1998 to 2001 inclusive would now fall below the VRC/VMD radar and
count for nothing yet I was still suffering from atrial fibrillation attacks
when lasalocid residues in eggs were that low. I also find it interesting
that the period 2002 when lasalocid residues in eggs began to skyrocket was
the same period when my atrial fibrillation attacks became the most severe.
Just as the lasalocid residue in eggs was increasing so was my experience of
atrial fibrillation in severity and frequency. Though the 2004 figures are
just under one quarter the 2003 figures in terms of positive samples above
the action level there is nothing to say that the other egg samples from the
2004 survey are not just as injurious and contaminated with lasalocid
residues as the samples from earlier surveys were. It is quite possible that
many of those abitrarily "magicked away" sub 50 microgram/Kg results will
continue to be a significant health hazard even when all samples are showing
sub action level lasalocid residues. There may be zero incidence of
reported lasalocid in tested eggs and yet the eggs may still pose a grievous
danger to the consumer. The danger could be multiplied by additional or
synergistic effects which may occur when other foods with residues are
consumed proximally or if medication is being taken.
UPDATE: November 2006 - Lasalocid residue or similar in Milk?
It has recently (November 2006) been verified by this author that certain
dairy products may present a danger to consumers. After four years without
consuming any known significant amount of any dairy, meat or eggs this
author consumed about one third of a pint of cows milk (organic) each day
for three consecutive days and was then hit by a severe 18 hour atrial
fibrillation attack later in the third day. My first attack after four years
free from this hell. Lasalocid is not licensed for use in cattle in the EU
but then neither was it licensed for use in egg laying hens but its residue
was still found in eggs. I believe lasalocid (perhaps from Bovatec) or one
of the other ionophores or some similarly acting compound as a residue is
contaminating at least some of the milk supply. Since lasalocid and other
similarly acting ionophores are still in wide spread use I believe that the
same human health problems caused by the mistakes and malpractise which
plagues egg production are absolutely bound to have their analogues in other
areas of the industry such as meat and milk/dairy production. I cannot be
the only person affected by this problem and after the statements heard on
national news about 'the UK atrial fibrillation epidemic' I believe that the
practise of using compounds such as lasalocid in animal farming may be
responsible for a significant number of deaths due to heart failure among
the elderly, frail and sick in the UK.
UPDATE: May 2007 - Veterinary Residues Committee 2005 report
The Veterinary Residues Committee (VRC) 2005 report vrcar2005.pdf is out. It
begins with an up-beat commentary by the chairman on, interestingly, the
lasalocid in eggs problem (page 5); 'It was greatly encouraging to see only
a single positive result for lasalocid in hen eggs in 2005, no doubt,
largely following the decision of the British Egg Industry Council to ban
their members from using it'. But lasalocid was not licensed for use in
laying hens! The only sample that was above the 50 microgram/Kg action level
out of 294 samples tested came in at 760 micrograms/Kg. In a follow-up on
that particular farm just one sample was tested and was found to be positive
for lasalocid residue at 290 micrograms/Kg. It also turns out that of two
samples of hens feed tested (one grit and one feed) the feed sample was
positive (above the 100 microgram/Kg action level) at 2,490 micrograms
lasalocid/Kg feed. See http://www.vet-residues-committee.gov.uk/papers/open2/vrc0529.htm for details of the followup. What this means is that this particular farm was churning out dangerously toxic hen eggs for a period of time. It's not just one sample. And then we must think about all the arbitrarily "magicked away" samples representing the many millions of eggs produced nationwide that may be contaminated with lasalocid residues of up to 50 micrograms/Kg. How can we know if the 'British Egg Industry Councils' ban on lasalocid' has been fully observed if the VRC doesn't publish findings below 50 micrograms/Kg? Another ionophore, salinomycin, also very toxic to humans, was detected in one sample out of the 294 samples tested, at a level of 15 micrograms/Kg. The action level for salinomycin residue was 2 micrograms/Kg as of the 2005 survey.
On page 2 of the report the VRC say, 'if there are no health concerns
associated with particular residues, the VRC can recommend that a higher
concentration is set, the Action Level. This is to prioritise the limited
resources for investigations'. They don't have to investigate samples below
their so called action level but they could at least publish those findings
in their reports in order that a proper comparison with earlier data can be
made by the reader. And how can the VRC imply that there are no health
concerns in regard of lasalocid residues in eggs at the lower end of the
scale (sub-action level) when what experiments that have been done with
animals have shown that lasalocid is cardio-toxic at the microgram/Kg level.
It is also known that lasalocid hangs around in the body thus levels will
build up each time eggs or other similarly contaminated foods are consumed.
It is clear from the VRC and Soil Association reports listed in this paper
that eggs are not the only food to contain residues of toxic substances like
lasalocid. If eggs with residues of lasalocid are consumed with other foods
containing residues of the same or of similarly acting compounds and even
if they are individually at sub-action levels the combined effect could
still prove serious due to additive, synergistic or other effects. This
could happen with broiler livers (monensin - another lethally cardio-toxic
ionophore), chicken meat (lasalocid) or milk (lasalocid from illegal Bovatec
use in dairy cows) for example. As a consumer how can I know if eggs are
safe to eat if the VRC no longer publish findings which are below 50
micrograms lasalocid residue/Kg egg sample? I cannot know, therefore I
cannot eat eggs nor can I eat any other food which might possibly have
ionophore residue levels comparable to the ones which were causing me such
harm between 1997 and October 2002. As for milk, the VRC doesn't even test
it for ionophores (page 25). My November 2006 experience suggests that there
is something in the milk. Then on page 22 they say, 'positive figures for
lasalocid are based on the current reporting limit of 50 micrograms/kg. This
was to have a common base for consistency'. Well, if the VRC wanted to be
consistent then they would surely have continued to publish their findings
in a manner that was consistent with earlier reports. That is to say residue
levels down to 2 micrograms/Kg should have been recorded, that after all
was the reporting limit in the earlier surveys. Changing action levels (the
reporting limit) as you go along from survey to survey is not what I would
call being consistent.
While the industry is to be commended in regard of it's reduction of
lasalocid residue levels in eggs the VRC does not appear to be concerned
with the low to medium levels of lasalocid residue in eggs, they imply that
there are no health concerns at those levels. I suffered greatly even when
those levels were generally low and consequently I would prefer to be
assured that sub action levels of lasalocid residue are gone before I eat
any eggs again. In fact I believe that the best thing would be if the
ionophores as a group were completely withdrawn.
The reports that caused me to quit eating eggs and poultry
Soil Association (UK) press release 16 Jan 2002: Up to three-quarters of a
million eggs eaten every day contain residues of a toxic drug that is widely
used by intensive poultry farmers, according to a new report published
today (16 January) by the Soil Association. The UK's leading organic
organisation is calling for an immediate ban on lasalocid (pronounced la-sal
-o-sid) which is found in 2.6 per cent of chicken eggs and also in chicken
meat. Lasalocid was present in 60 percent of the quails eggs tested by the
Government's Veterinary Medicines Directorate. The report will be discussed
at a meeting with the Food Standards Agency today, which will be attended by
nearly 100 organisations and called as a result of a previous Soil
Association publication "Too hard to swallow" the truth about drugs and
poultry. Lasalocid is too toxic to ever be used in medicine and has been
shown to have potent effects on animals at low levels: rabbit hearts
contract when exposed to the drug a discovery which prompted an experiment
in 1974 using human heart muscle. Rapid contractions were observed and were
still evident an hour after the drug had been given. Alison Craig, the
reports author says, "Even low levels of lasalocid are dangerous to mammals
and this raises concerns about how toxic the drug is to humans. We know that
this drug hangs around in the body, so we could be accumulating it every
time we eat eggs or chicken. The Government's testing programme for such
residues is wholly inadequate, only one out of every 18 million eggs is
analysed." Consumers are theoretically protected from veterinary drugs
residues by maximum residue limits set by the European Commission. However,
as lasalocid is classified as a feed additive, no limit has been set. Daily
doses of lasalocid are routinely given to chickens and turkeys in their feed
as a preventative treatment against coccidiosis - an infectious disease
caused by a parasite which damages the birds intestines and causes illness
and sometimes death. When large numbers of animals are crowded together (up
to 100,000 birds may be kept in one unit) in warm and moist conditions,
outbreaks of coccidiosis are likely to occur. Lasalocid is not prescribed by
vets but sold as a feed additive directly to producers by pharmaceutical
companies and feed merchants. Consumers who want to avoid poultry that may
contain residues of this drug should look for Soil Association certified
organic meat and eggs as lasalocid is not used by the organisation's
licensed farmers. Lasalocid is not the only highly toxic drug fed to poultry
which was finding it's way onto the kitchen table.
A June 2001 Soil Association report details the following: Nicarbazin has
never been carefully evaluated for safety in humans. Studies have shown it
can cause both birth defects and hormonal problems in animals. In 1999, the
last year for which full figures are available, 17.8 per cent of chicken
livers tested has residues of nicarbazin in excess of the Maximum Residue
Limit of 200 micrograms per kg., the highest being 10,500 micrograms per kg.
, over fifty times the legally permitted level. Since then 127 out of 700 (
18 per cent) of chicken livers tested have contained residues of nicarbazin.
It is also been found in approximately 2 per cent of eggs. Where nicarbazin
is present in liver it will also be present in flesh at lower levels.
Dimetridazole (DMZ) has never been properly evaluated for as a contaminant
of human food. Scientific committees disagree about its safety, but it is
suspected of being able to induce both cancer and birth defects. It is
licensed for turkeys and pheasants rather than chicken or laying hens yet in
1998 2 per cent, and in 1999, 0.5 per cent of eggs contained residues of
DMZ. Lasalocid is not licensed for laying hens. It is a member of the potent
cardio-toxic ionophores which have never been properly evaluated as
residues in food. No Maximum Residue Limit has been set. Yet in 1999, one in
every dozen eggs (8.5 per cent) tested contained residues of lasalocid
above the informal action level of 100 micrograms per kg. The highest of
these was 5,400 micrograms per kg. 12 per cent of chicken muscle also tested
positive. In addition the drug is found in quail muscle and chicken liver.
The Soil Association said it believes government regulators have seriously
misled the public about the high incidence of dangerous drug residues found
in chicken and eggs. Richard Young, coordinator of the Soil Association's
campaign against the overuse of antibiotics in intensive farming says, '
Despite repeated assertions by regulators that nearly all poultry products
are free from detectable residues, figures show clearly that about 20 per
cent of chicken meat and 10 per cent of the eggs tested contain residues of
drugs deemed too dangerous for use in human medicine.' Richard Young and
Alison Craig, authors of the Soil Association report 'Too Hard to Swallow,
the truth about drugs and poultry' challenge statements from senior
officials in the Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD, the executive agency
of Maff responsible for residue surveillance), who assert that
approximately '99 per cent of poultry meat and 97 per cent of eggs are free
of detectable residues.' The report exposes that this distortion is achieved
by a statistical trick. The results of positive tests for individual drugs
are expressed as a percentage of all tests undertaken for all substance (
most of which are never found). Of most concern are the drugs used to
control tiny intestinal parasites in poultry and game birds that can cause
severe losses in intensive production systems. These include nicarbazin,
lascalocid and dimetridazole, all of which pose potential risks to animal or
human health. Mr. Young continued, 'These antimicrobial drugs have never
been properly evaluated for safety, but there is evidence that they have the
ability to cause cancer, birth defects and heart attacks. Some residue
samples are more than 50 times over the legal limit, yet the VMD has brought
no prosecutions. We want to see their use stopped as quickly as possible.'
The Soil Association says that more chickens should be reared organically
where the routine use of drugs is not permitted. Intensive poultry producers
could use vaccines instead of adding antimicrobials to feed, which would
effectively reduce the risk of residues. However, vaccines cost almost 7p
per bird, which for some producers is their entire profit margin per chicken
. The Soil Association believes that consumers would willingly pay a little
extra for chickens produced without these drugs.
The Guardian (UK) June 4th, 2001 Special report - What's wrong with our food
? titled "Drug traces in chickens 'pose health risk'" by James Meikle,
health correspondent: About one in five chickens slaughtered for the dinner
table contains traces of potentially dangerous drugs, according to a report
which is to be studied by the government's food standards agency. Consumers
might be at extra risk of cancer, heart attacks or producing defects in
foetuses, because millions of birds and eggs eaten each year have residues
from veterinary medicines used to treat poultry diseases, said the report,
published last night by the Soil Association, the campaign group for organic
farming. Its authors called for the use of such drugs to be banned while
checks were made into their safety. They also accused veterinary watchdogs
of misleading the public over the levels of residues. Richard Young, the
association's policy adviser, said: "Despite repeated assertions by
regulators that nearly all poultry products are free from detectable
residues, figures show clearly that about 20% of chicken meat and 10% of the
eggs tested contain residues of drugs deemed too dangerous for use in human
medicine." The food agency said that the report was a welcome contribution
to a debate in an important area. He added that it would invite the
veterinary medicines directorate (VMD) - the agency responsible for
monitoring residues - the authors, and other specialists to discuss the
concerns. A spokesman said: "This is a complex area with differing expert
views. The agency is keen to ensure that consumers are protected from any
potentially harmful residues that occur in food and favour their use being
kept to a minimum." The report alleged that the VMD pulled a "statistical
trick" by asserting 99% of poultry meat and 97% of eggs were free of
detectable residues. This expressed the proportion of negative samples as a
percentage of all tests undertaken for all substances. But closer scrutiny
of data revealed a more alarming picture, said the report. The drugs of most
concern were those used to control internal para sites in poultry and game
birds. In 1999, nicarbazin was found in 18% of chicken livers tested and in
about 2% of eggs. Studies had shown it could cause birth defects and
hormonal problems in animals. Lasalocid, which may damage the heart, was not
even licensed for laying hens but had been found in one in every dozen eggs
. It had also been detected in 12% of chicken muscle. Dimetridazole,
suspected of being able to induce cancer and birth defects, was licensed for
use in turkeys and pheasants, but had been found in one in 200 chicken eggs
in 1999. Mr Young said: "These antimicrobial drugs have never been properly
evaluated for safety, but there is evidence that they have the ability to
cause cancer, birth defects and heart attacks. Some residue samples are more
than 50 times over the legal limit, yet the VMD has brought no prosecutions
. We want to see their use stopped as quickly as possible." Britons eat more
than 750m chickens a year, accounting for nearly 40% of all meat sold, as
well as nearly 10bn eggs. Low prices have helped create the surge in demand
but the association argues consumers would be prepared to pay the little
extra that would result from intensive producers vaccinating their birds
rather than using drugs. The VMD denied statistical trickery. A spokesman
said: "These are active ingredients which do have recommended levels and are
safe from a veterinary point of view in the right dosage. We investigate
where residues seem to be high." Roger Cook, from the National Office for
Animal Health, representing the drug industry, said the anti-parasite
treatments had made modern production possible. "There are vaccines but they
are not as widely appropriate as the Soil Association is implying." The
British Egg Industry Council accused the Soil Association of using "outdated
" figures from 1999, but even then levels of nicarbazin were minute. No
residues from nicabarzin had been found in eggs in 2000 and other residues
in eggs were minimal. Problems had been caused by accidental contamination
in feed mills or on farms.
Other information www.foodwatch.ca/know/eggs.htm: There are no studies
evaluating the toxicity of ionophore to humans. Laboratory tests have,
however, shown that the ionophore lasalocid has a strong effect on the human
heart muscle at low levels and monensin, another routinely used ionophore,
has been found to have a similar cardio-vascular effect in dogs at levels as
low as one millionth of a gram per kilogram. Many of the animals that have
died from ionophore poisoning have died from heart failure. Ionophores could
be a particular danger to children and older people as they eat more eggs
than any other group. Also, ionophore drugs can react negatively with some
prescription medicines, yet doctors have not been notified of the possible
presence of dietary ionophore residues in eggs.
End

【在 H*H 的大作中提到】

: cage free 不 cage free 说明不了问题。
: 一定要no anti biotics 的

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M*****8
发帖数: 17722

............................
买有机是好。
唯一风险是买了伪冒有机但实际不是有机的食物。

【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】

M*****8
发帖数: 17722

......................
癌症显然跟心情有关，
因为心情影响免疫功能。

【在 i*****n 的大作中提到】

: 你一拍脑门就决定癌症只跟心情有关的？没文化，真可怕。

z****e
发帖数: 1162

一个个例就这么引申，逻辑实在不行。

l******a
发帖数: 16364

haha,看到这里，我笑了。。。你这个炖蛋纯粹是技术问题，这都能说明蛋的organic与
否我真是服了

【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】

R*******w
发帖数: 1576

鸡心情好下的蛋就错不了
楼主太幽默了哈哈

z**n
发帖数: 22303

有机食品只能降低罹患恶疾的可能性。命中很多东西有定数一点也没错。

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

t*******1
发帖数: 4965

我也觉得他的回帖挺搞笑的

【在 l******a 的大作中提到】

: haha,看到这里，我笑了。。。你这个炖蛋纯粹是技术问题，这都能说明蛋的organic与
: 否我真是服了

y******0
发帖数: 6296

你先把organic定义弄懂再说

【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】

Y****N
发帖数: 8694

买点儿鸡蛋牛奶，至于这么纠结吗？
非organic的鸡蛋，一打2块，organic，一打3块多，就差1块多钱而已
非organic的牛奶，一桶2块左右，organic，一桶4块左右，就差2块多钱而已
足够一个人一星期的量了，才差3块多钱。。。

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

m********5
发帖数: 17667

只吃organic food就能不得癌症？这逻辑也太怪了！
吃一般食品更易患癌⇒吃organic food就能不得癌症？！？！
吃organic food也得癌症⇒吃organic food就没用？！？！
都是什么中医逻辑啊

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

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d**********i
发帖数: 636

我爸也是用一模一样的屁话来找借口不戒烟。被我一顿痛斥。
现在戒烟了，身提越来越好。

【在 j*n 的大作中提到】

d**********i
发帖数: 636

蒸鸡蛋要捂上锡箔纸闷着蒸，就不会有坑坑洼洼的了。

【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】

d**********d
发帖数: 1360

C*****8
发帖数: 5758

问题是我们家历来都是一样蒸法，为什么以前那年代就不会有肯肯娃娃的，现在就会了
泥，而且明显的现在的鸡蛋吃起来比烤夫还粗，以前的跟嫩豆腐一样滑口顺溜。
我认为还是pegasus001说得对，organic却不能保证鸡的食料也是纯自然没有化学咚咚得。

【在 d**********i 的大作中提到】

: 蒸鸡蛋要捂上锡箔纸闷着蒸，就不会有坑坑洼洼的了。

j******l
发帖数: 10445

不抽烟不喝酒，63岁——林彪同志；林彪是飞机失事
只喝酒不抽烟，73岁——恩来同志；恩来是得病了主席不让治病，拖死的。
啥坏习惯没有，每天尽做好人好事，23岁——雷锋同志雷锋更是意外事故。
所以呢，只要不出意外事故，医疗条件好，无论烟酒吃不吃基本上都能活到80来岁。

【在 j*n 的大作中提到】

C*****8
发帖数: 5758

什么技术问题？！我们家以前是怎么炖现在还是怎么炖一直都没有改变过。你自己不
懂不会辨别真正的有机还是所谓的有机，你外行还笑别人。

【在 l******a 的大作中提到】

: haha,看到这里，我笑了。。。你这个炖蛋纯粹是技术问题，这都能说明蛋的organic与
: 否我真是服了

l******a
发帖数: 16364

你自己技术差就不要丢人了，不信你在mit上随便问一遍，看谁炖蛋炖得坑坑洼洼的。
我还从没听说有机无机在这方面有区别

【在 C*****8 的大作中提到】

: 什么技术问题？！我们家以前是怎么炖现在还是怎么炖一直都没有改变过。你自己不
: 懂不会辨别真正的有机还是所谓的有机，你外行还笑别人。

g********u
发帖数: 8891

笑死人了，你们的火气都蛮大的。其实吗，我的最好朋友美国婆说，她爷爷奶奶每天都
吃什么BACON,EGG之类的，也没有什么ORGANIC的概念，都活到90多岁了。所以心情第一
，命中注定。

a******e
发帖数: 36306

我也觉得很搞笑，纯粹水平问题。。。。。

蛋不
我试
肉也
所述

【在 l******a 的大作中提到】

: haha,看到这里，我笑了。。。你这个炖蛋纯粹是技术问题，这都能说明蛋的organic与
: 否我真是服了

a******e
发帖数: 36306

不过现在的确有心情好和心情不好的牛之分就是了。。。。

【在 R*******w 的大作中提到】

: 鸡心情好下的蛋就错不了
: 楼主太幽默了哈哈

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m********5
发帖数: 17667

有人嘴能装下一可乐罐你就认为你的嘴也能装下？

【在 g********u 的大作中提到】

: 笑死人了，你们的火气都蛮大的。其实吗，我的最好朋友美国婆说，她爷爷奶奶每天都
: 吃什么BACON,EGG之类的，也没有什么ORGANIC的概念，都活到90多岁了。所以心情第一
: ，命中注定。

a****d
发帖数: 373

re

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

R*******w
发帖数: 1576

能分的出么。。。。

【在 a******e 的大作中提到】

: 不过现在的确有心情好和心情不好的牛之分就是了。。。。

T*****u
发帖数: 759

抛去价格，organic还是要好一点的

organic

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】

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