m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 1 NL200 ftp
KK , player under the gun bet 7$ one guy called , I raised to 24$ and 4 guy
called!!
flop 868 no flush draw, two guy checked to me , I bet 60$ , both guy behind
me folded, the raise bf flop fold, the guy after him check raise to 190$ and
all in!
what can he have?
I fold ... | x**h
发帖数: 1519 | 2 A8 or 66?
Since he did not reraise before flop, should not have AA. But any big pair(
1010 JJ) is also possible.
guy
behind
and
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200 ftp
: KK , player under the gun bet 7$ one guy called , I raised to 24$ and 4 guy
: called!!
: flop 868 no flush draw, two guy checked to me , I bet 60$ , both guy behind
: me folded, the raise bf flop fold, the guy after him check raise to 190$ and
: all in!
: what can he have?
: I fold ...
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 3 easy call?
guy
behind
and
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200 ftp
: KK , player under the gun bet 7$ one guy called , I raised to 24$ and 4 guy
: called!!
: flop 868 no flush draw, two guy checked to me , I bet 60$ , both guy behind
: me folded, the raise bf flop fold, the guy after him check raise to 190$ and
: all in!
: what can he have?
: I fold ...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 i would fold too. yeah, i know the pain!
your pre-flop $24 re-raise represented big pair, and flop bet $60 was
following up, he dared to go all-in $190 and he's not afraid of your cards...
if he's bluffing, let him be.
sometimes, AA/KK could cost you big when you can't let them go.
guy
behind
and
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200 ftp
: KK , player under the gun bet 7$ one guy called , I raised to 24$ and 4 guy
: called!!
: flop 868 no flush draw, two guy checked to me , I bet 60$ , both guy behind
: me folded, the raise bf flop fold, the guy after him check raise to 190$ and
: all in!
: what can he have?
: I fold ...
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 5 first of all, your raise is too small.
you shouldn't be surprised that you got more callers at all.
You need to call 130$ for a 350$ pot, I think you have to call here with KK.
..
The only time I would consider folding here is the all-in guy is super
passive and never bluff.
guy
behind
and
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200 ftp
: KK , player under the gun bet 7$ one guy called , I raised to 24$ and 4 guy
: called!!
: flop 868 no flush draw, two guy checked to me , I bet 60$ , both guy behind
: me folded, the raise bf flop fold, the guy after him check raise to 190$ and
: all in!
: what can he have?
: I fold ...
| m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 6 what do you mean , blind is only 1/2
and I raise to 12 big blind is this too small??
'easy call' ? this word never show in my mind 'easy fold' maybe. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 Either he was bluffing, or he had nuts.
When people allin, much more times they have nuts than to bluff. | w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 8 i thinkyou maybe wrong. I am not sure you did right fold, but if you play
tight, you did well. for me. I will call. I fold once in this situation, and
someone one showed me pocket 10 (in a tournament)
guy
behind
and
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: NL200 ftp
: KK , player under the gun bet 7$ one guy called , I raised to 24$ and 4 guy
: called!!
: flop 868 no flush draw, two guy checked to me , I bet 60$ , both guy behind
: me folded, the raise bf flop fold, the guy after him check raise to 190$ and
: all in!
: what can he have?
: I fold ...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 hehe, i folded KK once on $100 raise on flop (no ace), the other guy showed
f**king KK on the river!!
but, that's the only time i folded "wrong", other few times i folded my AA,
KK, QQ, all turned up as good fold.
and
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: i thinkyou maybe wrong. I am not sure you did right fold, but if you play
: tight, you did well. for me. I will call. I fold once in this situation, and
: someone one showed me pocket 10 (in a tournament)
:
: guy
: behind
: and
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 i agree, $24 is big enough, given you don't have position. $50+ may
discourage players behind you to stay, and you may end up with getting
nothing.
flop $60 is also what i would bet in your case... too bad with 886 flop
there, and again, you don't have position.
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: what do you mean , blind is only 1/2
: and I raise to 12 big blind is this too small??
: 'easy call' ? this word never show in my mind 'easy fold' maybe.
| | | k******t
发帖数: 257 | 11
It's a easy call 130 for 350 man. pockets pairs 99-QQ would push same way if
they decide to play. What's the sense to call your 60 with QQ here with
only 100 behind? If I play 79 suited and don't want to fold, i would push
too.
Of couse you could run into 78,66,A8. but the range of hands jutify the call.
BTW, how many ppl push 66 here?? Would not you push on turn to suck more out
of pretty obvious big pairs?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i agree, $24 is big enough, given you don't have position. $50+ may
: discourage players behind you to stay, and you may end up with getting
: nothing.
: flop $60 is also what i would bet in your case... too bad with 886 flop
: there, and again, you don't have position.
| l*******o
发帖数: 78 | 12 It's not an easy call, but not an easy fold either. The villian made a great
move with just right amount of chips for an overbet. If he had more, it
would be the nuts for sure and pushed you away, less not enough to get you
out.
Very much likely he had suited connectors or a small pair ranged 6-9, since
callers before him priced him in, so it could be a set, trip or nice draw,
you have to fold. I usually give the credit to check raisers. You are not
pot committed yet, get out.
If you found out h | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 13 when you don't have position you want to raise more.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i agree, $24 is big enough, given you don't have position. $50+ may
: discourage players behind you to stay, and you may end up with getting
: nothing.
: flop $60 is also what i would bet in your case... too bad with 886 flop
: there, and again, you don't have position.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 14 actually the deciding factor here would be how you played before this hand
and if you have any read on the villain.
how often do you c-bet?
how aggressive your opponent is?
have you shown down lots of good hands?
have you been pushing the table around for a while?
i prefer calling here because the pot is big. i can afford to be pushed off
a better hand when the pot is small. When the pot is this big, and my hand
is reasonably strong, i call down.
you play in a stake i never played before, so you
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: what do you mean , blind is only 1/2
: and I raise to 12 big blind is this too small??
: 'easy call' ? this word never show in my mind 'easy fold' maybe.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 seriously, $24, $60 are big enough open bets for such early-middle position
with KK, from my own observations on 1/2 NL games. after all, your intention
is to reduce field players, but not ALL, you don't want to scare every one
out so quickly.
after some hands, when we look back, we might wonder "should i have raised
more, would it be different....", this is reasonable, but to play in the
long term, we still have to follow common sense/pattern as average players.
also, who we are playing against
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: when you don't have position you want to raise more.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 good.
off
reason
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: actually the deciding factor here would be how you played before this hand
: and if you have any read on the villain.
: how often do you c-bet?
: how aggressive your opponent is?
: have you shown down lots of good hands?
: have you been pushing the table around for a while?
: i prefer calling here because the pot is big. i can afford to be pushed off
: a better hand when the pot is small. When the pot is this big, and my hand
: is reasonably strong, i call down.
: you play in a stake i never played before, so you
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 17 there is a raiser and a caller already, so your raise need to be larger than
usual...
position
intention
one
.
say
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: seriously, $24, $60 are big enough open bets for such early-middle position
: with KK, from my own observations on 1/2 NL games. after all, your intention
: is to reduce field players, but not ALL, you don't want to scare every one
: out so quickly.
: after some hands, when we look back, we might wonder "should i have raised
: more, would it be different....", this is reasonable, but to play in the
: long term, we still have to follow common sense/pattern as average players.
: also, who we are playing against
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 it's only a $7 bet, at the casinos i play (1/2 NL, AC), this is next to
nothing but a "pot sweetener". it has the effect to push some very tight/
conservative players out sometimes, but nobody would take it seriously (that
's why sometimes i bet such amount to slow play with my monsters).
but for $24 (sometimes as low as $15), ppl would tend to think over, in most
cases, there would only be 2-3 players at most to call.... once in a while
(<20%??), there would be more aggressive moves with even a
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: there is a raiser and a caller already, so your raise need to be larger than
: usual...
:
: position
: intention
: one
: .
: say
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 19 low stake live play is much looser. the one time i played, the UTG guy
raised to 17$ and get two callers. it was 1-2 nl and he had AA and stacked
one of the caller. Online 1/2 is supposed to be much tighter and more
aggressive, in the hand we discussed, a call sometimes will freak me out
more than an all-in push.
that
most
while
it'
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: it's only a $7 bet, at the casinos i play (1/2 NL, AC), this is next to
: nothing but a "pot sweetener". it has the effect to push some very tight/
: conservative players out sometimes, but nobody would take it seriously (that
: 's why sometimes i bet such amount to slow play with my monsters).
: but for $24 (sometimes as low as $15), ppl would tend to think over, in most
: cases, there would only be 2-3 players at most to call.... once in a while
: (<20%??), there would be more aggressive moves with even a
| k******t
发帖数: 257 | 20 The read is definitly imporatnt, if an old man with dusts on his chips
pushed
you can safely fold. In general regardsless of players, almost 1 in 3 odds
is more than enough to call. I've seen ppl pushing 67 on 688 flop, let
alone Qs. Agreed a call on 60 is only more scary than push, it's a lot more
like a monster than raise.
off
reason
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: actually the deciding factor here would be how you played before this hand
: and if you have any read on the villain.
: how often do you c-bet?
: how aggressive your opponent is?
: have you shown down lots of good hands?
: have you been pushing the table around for a while?
: i prefer calling here because the pot is big. i can afford to be pushed off
: a better hand when the pot is small. When the pot is this big, and my hand
: is reasonably strong, i call down.
: you play in a stake i never played before, so you
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 21 usually, when I get involved in such a pot, I want to have some read
on how my opp plays a hand. Without much information, it's a fold to me.
This is a typical on line silly all in move, if he called or mini-raised
, he can win more bets from me. The bluffing frequency should be rather
low here, cause this pot is so crowded,thus the c-bet indicates strength.
position
intention
one
.
say
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: seriously, $24, $60 are big enough open bets for such early-middle position
: with KK, from my own observations on 1/2 NL games. after all, your intention
: is to reduce field players, but not ALL, you don't want to scare every one
: out so quickly.
: after some hands, when we look back, we might wonder "should i have raised
: more, would it be different....", this is reasonable, but to play in the
: long term, we still have to follow common sense/pattern as average players.
: also, who we are playing against
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