y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 1 看了一篇的文章
有解释为啥Shell Rotella T、Mobil Delvac这些heavy duty diesel oil的Used oil
analysis结果都很突出的原因，普通engine oil是S certification，例如SJ、SM。商
用truck engine oil是C certification， 目前是CI、CJ。C的additive package比S的
牛x很多，但有可能会不兼容乘用车上的catalytic converter。
我的G35目前就在用Shell Rotella T，摩托车下次换油也准备用这个。mobil的
synthetic motorcycle oil 1 quart 12刀，受不了。
Commercial (Diesel) Oil
The additive packages for C (commercial) certification are designed to
promote engine life. The additive packages for C rated oils contain extra
buffer |
D*****I
发帖数: 8268 | 2 多加S, P， Zn, Mo就是了
但是cata-converter受的了么？
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: 看了一篇的文章
: 有解释为啥Shell Rotella T、Mobil Delvac这些heavy duty diesel oil的Used oil
: analysis结果都很突出的原因，普通engine oil是S certification，例如SJ、SM。商
: 用truck engine oil是C certification， 目前是CI、CJ。C的additive package比S的
: 牛x很多，但有可能会不兼容乘用车上的catalytic converter。
: 我的G35目前就在用Shell Rotella T，摩托车下次换油也准备用这个。mobil的
: synthetic motorcycle oil 1 quart 12刀，受不了。
: Commercial (Diesel) Oil
: The additive packages for C (commercial) certification are designed to
: promote engine life. The additive packages for C rated oils contain extra
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t***g
发帖数: 193 | 3 Been using HDEO for months. I wish I learned it earlier so that I wouldn't
waste so much on M1.
It's one of those which you want to do but won't feel much direct difference
, and IMO it's more appropriate for turbo cars which produce plenty of heat
and pressure. |
y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 4 Rotella T也有SM certification的，是完全符合gas engine标准的。所以cat的问题应该不大。
Shell ROTELLA® T I5W-40 with Triple ProtectionTM meets the requirements of:
API CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, SM, SL; ACEA E7; Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-1; Cummins CES 20081; Detroit Diesel*; Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07; Volvo VDS-4
【在 D*****I 的大作中提到】
: 多加S, P， Zn, Mo就是了
: 但是cata-converter受的了么？
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 5 http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html
What motor oil is best for my aircooled Porsche?
(or any high performance engine)
by Charles Navarro
Last Updated 11/11/08
The purpose of proper lubrication is to provide a physical barrier (oil film
) that separates moving parts reducing wear and friction, but there are many
surfaces within an engine that operate with metal-to-metal contact, again
popular belief, that are very highly dependant on a strong and robust anti-
wear film. The top piston ring oper |
y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 6 新的SM、SL标准机油在high performance engine上的效果不如90年代的SH、SL机油。
环保原因，新标准里zinc之类的添加剂少了很多。
film
many
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html
: What motor oil is best for my aircooled Porsche?
: (or any high performance engine)
: by Charles Navarro
: Last Updated 11/11/08
: The purpose of proper lubrication is to provide a physical barrier (oil film
: ) that separates moving parts reducing wear and friction, but there are many
: surfaces within an engine that operate with metal-to-metal contact, again
: popular belief, that are very highly dependant on a strong and robust anti-
: wear film. The top piston ring oper
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 7 Quoted:
"Can I use a diesel oil like Rotella to break in my engine?
Many cam manufacturers have recommended Rotella T in the past for cam break
in. Remember, this was the CI-4 Rotella T some manufacturers were
recommending, not the new CJ-4 Rotella. Be advised that we do not recommend
the continued use of the new CJ-4 Rotella T for cam break-in or any other CJ
-4 oil for this purpose. Additionally in support of this position, magazines
such as Fleet Equipment, in one such article "Focusing on Oi |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 8 "
The more detergent an oil is, the more anti-wear additives are needed. That
means the correct amount of Zn and P in any given oil is a moving target.
More recently, in the development of the IIIG sequence, developers went so
far as to say that there was no need for the VD and VE sequences for testing
of OHV (overhead valve) engines because these engines are not commercially
available as new anymore and do not reflect the needs of more modern engines
. In a SAE paper titled "How Much ZDP is Eno |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 9 more in the post
"
Can I use a diesel motor oil in a car?
The newest CJ-4 formulations are now limited in the amounts of Zn and P
allowed, compared to the CI-4 formations most users are familiar with. If
the oil says CJ-4 or LE or "Low Emissions", even if it also lists CI-4 or
CI-4+, more than likely it conforms to the new, lower levels, and should be
avoided unless you have a 2007 and later diesel which requires these oils.
The verdict is still out in my opinion on the performance of a CJ-4 oi |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 10 符合SM的基本就是被和谐过的，好处不大，呵呵
应该不大。
requirements of:
ECF-1; Cummins CES 20081; Detroit Diesel*; Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07; Volvo
VDS-4
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: Rotella T也有SM certification的，是完全符合gas engine标准的。所以cat的问题应该不大。
: Shell ROTELLA® T I5W-40 with Triple ProtectionTM meets the requirements of:
: API CJ-4, CI-4 PLUS, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, SM, SL; ACEA E7; Caterpillar ECF-3, ECF-1; Cummins CES 20081; Detroit Diesel*; Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07; Volvo VDS-4
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 11 source很多，wiki上说Rotella T 的zinc、P浓度比SM标准高。
Shell也宣称CJ-4的油比原来CI-4的油抗磨性能好，即使zinc、P浓度降低了。
Both the multigrade conventional oil (10W-30 and 15W-40) and the synthetic
SAE 5W-40 meet the newest API certification of CJ-4/SM.
Shell is marketing their new CJ-4/SM oil as "Triple Protection," meaning it
provides enhanced qualities for engine wear, soot control and engine
cleanliness. Shell's Rotella website indicates that on-road testing confirms
the new Triple Protection technology produces better anti-wea
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 符合SM的基本就是被和谐过的，好处不大，呵呵
:
: 应该不大。
: requirements of:
: ECF-1; Cummins CES 20081; Detroit Diesel*; Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07; Volvo
: VDS-4
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 12 貌似SM标准给的是zinc、P的最低值，高于这个值好像也是可以的。
找到了一个source：
I e-mailed Shell and asked what the levels of zinc and phosphorus are for
the 15W-40 Rotella T with Triple Protection. The answer:
"Shell Rotella T Multigrade Oil SAE 15W-40 with Triple Protection Technology
, our API CJ-4/SM specification product, typically contains about 1200 ppm
zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorous as manufactured."
Here are the running averages for all the oils tested thus far, listed by
their API rating:
API .... P (ppm)...........Zn
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 符合SM的基本就是被和谐过的，好处不大，呵呵
:
: 应该不大。
: requirements of:
: ECF-1; Cummins CES 20081; Detroit Diesel*; Mack EO-O Premium Plus 07; Volvo
: VDS-4
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 13 这个文章稍微有点旧，文中提到的CI-4和SL其实都挺不错的
不过现在新的CJ-4和SM表中都提高了环保要求，影响了润滑功效
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: 看了一篇的文章
: 有解释为啥Shell Rotella T、Mobil Delvac这些heavy duty diesel oil的Used oil
: analysis结果都很突出的原因，普通engine oil是S certification，例如SJ、SM。商
: 用truck engine oil是C certification， 目前是CI、CJ。C的additive package比S的
: 牛x很多，但有可能会不兼容乘用车上的catalytic converter。
: 我的G35目前就在用Shell Rotella T，摩托车下次换油也准备用这个。mobil的
: synthetic motorcycle oil 1 quart 12刀，受不了。
: Commercial (Diesel) Oil
: The additive packages for C (commercial) certification are designed to
: promote engine life. The additive packages for C rated oils contain extra
|
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 14 如果真是这样，那是挺不错的
不过好像很多老美很推崇Amsoil的油，我自己没用过
it
confirms
by
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: source很多，wiki上说Rotella T 的zinc、P浓度比SM标准高。
: Shell也宣称CJ-4的油比原来CI-4的油抗磨性能好，即使zinc、P浓度降低了。
: Both the multigrade conventional oil (10W-30 and 15W-40) and the synthetic
: SAE 5W-40 meet the newest API certification of CJ-4/SM.
: Shell is marketing their new CJ-4/SM oil as "Triple Protection," meaning it
: provides enhanced qualities for engine wear, soot control and engine
: cleanliness. Shell's Rotella website indicates that on-road testing confirms
: the new Triple Protection technology produces better anti-wea
|
s*******e
发帖数: 3042 | 15
除了贵，好像没看出好在哪儿的
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 如果真是这样，那是挺不错的
: 不过好像很多老美很推崇Amsoil的油，我自己没用过
:
: it
: confirms
: by
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s*******e
发帖数: 3042 | 16 看风格像bobistheoilguy上的，说实话我觉得passenger car真没必要worry这些，人
diesel truck都开几百万mile的，普通的passenger car上20万都屈指可数，买菜车用
最便宜的dino, performance car用HTHS符合厂家标准的就足够了。
我有一段时间特别爱看BITOG，后来觉得他们就像走火入魔一样，搞那么多的UOA，VOA
，结果究竟怎么解释，跟本没有权威的说法。唯一可以确定的受益人就是black stone
lab, 肯定多接了不少单子。
摩托rev比较高，可能区别会很大，这个我不清楚
Technology
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: 貌似SM标准给的是zinc、P的最低值，高于这个值好像也是可以的。
: 找到了一个source：
: I e-mailed Shell and asked what the levels of zinc and phosphorus are for
: the 15W-40 Rotella T with Triple Protection. The answer:
: "Shell Rotella T Multigrade Oil SAE 15W-40 with Triple Protection Technology
: , our API CJ-4/SM specification product, typically contains about 1200 ppm
: zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorous as manufactured."
: Here are the running averages for all the oils tested thus far, listed by
: their API rating:
: API .... P (ppm)...........Zn
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 17 恩，其实喜欢车的都有一定的偏执症了。
VOA
stone
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看风格像bobistheoilguy上的，说实话我觉得passenger car真没必要worry这些，人
: diesel truck都开几百万mile的，普通的passenger car上20万都屈指可数，买菜车用
: 最便宜的dino, performance car用HTHS符合厂家标准的就足够了。
: 我有一段时间特别爱看BITOG，后来觉得他们就像走火入魔一样，搞那么多的UOA，VOA
: ，结果究竟怎么解释，跟本没有权威的说法。唯一可以确定的受益人就是black stone
: lab, 肯定多接了不少单子。
: 摩托rev比较高，可能区别会很大，这个我不清楚
:
: Technology
|
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 18 呵呵，看了这么多决定从M1 0w40跳到Castrol Syntec 5w40，符合SL(不符合SM), 润滑
好，porsche approved, 不损cat.虽然Walmart没有，但是autozone有货
"Possible choices for Porsche-approved lubricants readily available in the
US that are still API SL rated as of July 2008 are Kendall GT-1 5w40 Full
Synthetic and Castrol Syntec 5w40; both oils have similar flashpoints to
Mobil 1 and have higher HTHS viscosities than M1 0w40 because of their being
5w40 oils. There are other approved oils made by other European lubricant
manufacturers that a |
w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 19 in my experience amsoil does have very good cleaning capability.
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 看风格像bobistheoilguy上的，说实话我觉得passenger car真没必要worry这些，人
: diesel truck都开几百万mile的，普通的passenger car上20万都屈指可数，买菜车用
: 最便宜的dino, performance car用HTHS符合厂家标准的就足够了。
: 我有一段时间特别爱看BITOG，后来觉得他们就像走火入魔一样，搞那么多的UOA，VOA
: ，结果究竟怎么解释，跟本没有权威的说法。唯一可以确定的受益人就是black stone
: lab, 肯定多接了不少单子。
: 摩托rev比较高，可能区别会很大，这个我不清楚
:
: Technology
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y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 20 5w-40的机油都很好。因为要达到这么稳定的粘度，肯定大部分成分是高价的group IV
的base oil。
再加上40的粘度，油膜强度也高，HTHS牛。
being
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，看了这么多决定从M1 0w40跳到Castrol Syntec 5w40，符合SL(不符合SM), 润滑
: 好，porsche approved, 不损cat.虽然Walmart没有，但是autozone有货
: "Possible choices for Porsche-approved lubricants readily available in the
: US that are still API SL rated as of July 2008 are Kendall GT-1 5w40 Full
: Synthetic and Castrol Syntec 5w40; both oils have similar flashpoints to
: Mobil 1 and have higher HTHS viscosities than M1 0w40 because of their being
: 5w40 oils. There are other approved oils made by other European lubricant
: manufacturers that a
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 21 a bit more info
http://www.turboflatsix.com/oil-recommendations-our-t71p9.html
quoted
"
Hi,
KPG - Kevin, Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 is the lastest version - it IS what you want!
It is a Group 4/5 lubricant
Shell's Rotella T synthetic 5W-40 is an excellent product too
It is a Group 3 lubricant
Of the two and IMHO the Delvac 1 ESP lubricant will likely perform the best
in real terms but both are excellent!" |
y*******n
发帖数: 10103 | 22 source太多乐，呵呵。
want!
best
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: a bit more info
: http://www.turboflatsix.com/oil-recommendations-our-t71p9.html
: quoted
: "
: Hi,
: KPG - Kevin, Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40 is the lastest version - it IS what you want!
: It is a Group 4/5 lubricant
: Shell's Rotella T synthetic 5W-40 is an excellent product too
: It is a Group 3 lubricant
: Of the two and IMHO the Delvac 1 ESP lubricant will likely perform the best
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 23 hoho, i had enough, so much for engine oil
that's it, Castrol Syntech 5w40 for my ctt, M1 high mileage full syn 10w30
for my tj
http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html
"Another popular oil highly recommended on the Rennlist forums has been the
Mobil 1 Truck and Diesel 5w40 that was an excellent choice up until May 2008
, when it was "reformulated" to meet the standards of new diesel engines and
hence, is not an API SM/CJ-4 rated oil. As I have stated previously, I don'
t have the same faith in bac
【在 y*******n 的大作中提到】
: source太多乐，呵呵。
:
: want!
: best
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