l********e
发帖数: 539 | 1 最近找人，同事forward一个他以前的coworker的resume. 那个人看起来经验比较丰富
，但是unemployeed 有2年多了，我的同事说此人的脾气比较大，但是鼓励我和此人电
话里谈一下
约好了时间，我打过去，先问他 " it looks like you have extensive industry
background including managerial experience, what makes you interested in
applying for an entry level position?"
他答：“this position is not entry level"
me ：“huh"
he: " you listed MBA in your job requirement (note: i put MBA a plus). I
think any position that requires MBA is a CEO job"
我当时就快昏倒了，我以为他会强调他以前的经历对我们多么多么的有用，以及他如何
对我们的公司和职位感兴趣。我解释MBA is not required, but if a person has MBA
but no direct experience, we can consider MBA related courses as a
substitute.
接下来他又问我们的position 具体做什么，我介绍了一下，然后他就说“i have
trained 80 persons like you in philipines, but after i trained them i got
laid off".
结果可想而知，我对他立刻没有了兴趣，虽然他反复强调他有一个5岁的女儿要养，急
需一份工作，就委婉的说我们还在interview, will notify him if there is any
further step.
过了两周，他发了email给我的同事，说他受到了age discrimination. 我的同事
forward他的email 给公司的HR, cc 我。 HR 约了明天谈。
请问被人告严重吗？和HR谈需要注意什么？
真倒霉，本来最近压力就很大了，还要多出这种东西 |
m*****e
发帖数: 4193 | 2
1. Did you ask his age during the interview, or mentioned anything related
to age?
2. If not, nothing to fear, just state the truth. It's just his word against
yours.
3. If you did, then is it possible that he recorded the interview? If not,
then again, it's his word against yours.
4. If he might have recorded the interview, does your state law require
consent of all parties before it can be recorded? If so, and you didn't
consent to recording, nothing to fear. It's still his word against yours.
5. If he legally recorded the conversation, and you did ask his age, then I
don't know.
BTW, you are not sued. In the worst case your company will be sued. Unless
he has evidence, there is nothing to fear.
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 最近找人，同事forward一个他以前的coworker的resume. 那个人看起来经验比较丰富
: ，但是unemployeed 有2年多了，我的同事说此人的脾气比较大，但是鼓励我和此人电
: 话里谈一下
: 约好了时间，我打过去，先问他 " it looks like you have extensive industry
: background including managerial experience, what makes you interested in
: applying for an entry level position?"
: 他答：“this position is not entry level"
: me ：“huh"
: he: " you listed MBA in your job requirement (note: i put MBA a plus). I
: think any position that requires MBA is a CEO job"
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l********e
发帖数: 539 | 3 Thanks a lot!!!
No, I didn't ask anything about his age. I know it's illegal/imappropriate
to ask about age during an interview. What I am looking for is a can-do and
positive attitude, so this disqualified him. |
l********e
发帖数: 539 | 4 刚才和老板谈了，老板很是担心，觉得这个人是个bitter nuts, 担心 会对我做出不利
的举动 （physical violence)
说的我都很害怕了。 |
r****1
发帖数: 2299 | 5 你这个什么烂同事，告诉老板是这个同事推荐的，让他帮忙搞定。 |
l********e
发帖数: 539 | 6 coworker forwarded to HR because the policy is to let HR know in the first
place if there is such a claim...as they are supposed to handle it |
s*********e
发帖数: 4475 | 7 还是我的老话， 职场上最要小心的， 是那些无能的人，
失去工作就很难找到的人。
People will do anything to survive.
不过， 应该没事。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 最近找人，同事forward一个他以前的coworker的resume. 那个人看起来经验比较丰富
: ，但是unemployeed 有2年多了，我的同事说此人的脾气比较大，但是鼓励我和此人电
: 话里谈一下
: 约好了时间，我打过去，先问他 " it looks like you have extensive industry
: background including managerial experience, what makes you interested in
: applying for an entry level position?"
: 他答：“this position is not entry level"
: me ：“huh"
: he: " you listed MBA in your job requirement (note: i put MBA a plus). I
: think any position that requires MBA is a CEO job"
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n*****8
发帖数: 19630 | 8 以后要提防你的coworker. 他／她应该知道这个人是什么东西，还推荐给你，明显是觉
得你抢了老美的饭碗。那个被面试的人才提菲律宾人的事儿。
不过就他的指控，应该没事儿，你又没说有年龄限制，也没问过他年龄。 |
f***s
发帖数: 209 | 9 Don't worry. Talk with your HR. HR are professionally trained to handle
cases like this.
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 最近找人，同事forward一个他以前的coworker的resume. 那个人看起来经验比较丰富
: ，但是unemployeed 有2年多了，我的同事说此人的脾气比较大，但是鼓励我和此人电
: 话里谈一下
: 约好了时间，我打过去，先问他 " it looks like you have extensive industry
: background including managerial experience, what makes you interested in
: applying for an entry level position?"
: 他答：“this position is not entry level"
: me ：“huh"
: he: " you listed MBA in your job requirement (note: i put MBA a plus). I
: think any position that requires MBA is a CEO job"
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B*****g
发帖数: 34098 | 10 你们公司需要尽快解雇你的co-worker
MBA
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 最近找人，同事forward一个他以前的coworker的resume. 那个人看起来经验比较丰富
: ，但是unemployeed 有2年多了，我的同事说此人的脾气比较大，但是鼓励我和此人电
: 话里谈一下
: 约好了时间，我打过去，先问他 " it looks like you have extensive industry
: background including managerial experience, what makes you interested in
: applying for an entry level position?"
: 他答：“this position is not entry level"
: me ：“huh"
: he: " you listed MBA in your job requirement (note: i put MBA a plus). I
: think any position that requires MBA is a CEO job"
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j******l
发帖数: 10445 | |
l********e
发帖数: 539 | 12 我是肯定不会招这个人的，HR那边我会解释，但我担心的是他会不会做出什么对我不利
的举动...
现在特别佩服的是那些专门负责fire, layoff的人，每天要面对这些crap, 心理素质一
定要特强 |
s****y
发帖数: 3416 | 13 难以理解有人蠢到说出什么，trained the Philippines like you 这种话，我觉得这
算是种族歧视了
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 我是肯定不会招这个人的，HR那边我会解释，但我担心的是他会不会做出什么对我不利
: 的举动...
: 现在特别佩服的是那些专门负责fire, layoff的人，每天要面对这些crap, 心理素质一
: 定要特强
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t********n
发帖数: 1075 | 14 你这个同事真的很过分。你也很包子，被他搞了，竟然还帮着他说话
如果换了是我，我会直接找这个同事，问他: What kind of person you recommended
to me！And you reported his bitter claim to HR before hearing out the other
side of story from me??? You brought me a lot of trouble! I'm very busy
already if not dealing with this crap you brought to me!
如果他拿公司policy说话，你就告诉他：Cut the crap!
当然，以上对话不能当着别人。以防你同事再次把你告到HR那里去，到时候你来个不承
认，他下次再想搞你，就得考虑考虑了
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 我是肯定不会招这个人的，HR那边我会解释，但我担心的是他会不会做出什么对我不利
: 的举动...
: 现在特别佩服的是那些专门负责fire, layoff的人，每天要面对这些crap, 心理素质一
: 定要特强
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p******8
发帖数: 2565 | 15 直接DENY任何指控，就算他有录音在没有你的同意下也是不能作为证据的.让HR去
HANDEL。 |
t********n
发帖数: 1075 | 16 对了，之后你还要茶余饭后到处宣扬一下你同事的事迹，让大家也都认识认识他
其实很容易，很多机会都可以说的。比如，再有人给你介绍，你就先问问这人人品怎样
，顺便就把你这次的经历讲一讲。 |
D***m
发帖数: 129 | 17 "i have trained 80 persons like you"
This is a setup by your "coworker" and that shitty dude! |
l********e
发帖数: 539 | 18 sigh,一言难尽呀，那个同事是我们组的director, 我只是一个小屁一线经理，当时就
想买个人情吧，反正phone interview 也花不了那么多的时间，但是没有想到被refer
的人是这样的人，我感觉他两年多来找工作已经绝望了，把对社会和前公司的人anger
全部都洒在我这里 |
D***m
发帖数: 129 | 19 Fight back that "coworker"! That shitty dude is only his/her first offense.
YOU are the real target of his/hers. |
W********n
发帖数: 778 | 20 他大概对outsourcing不满，这种情绪很多见。大概你的很多同事会不以为然的。
另外，没有工作当然什么能做都会申请，多余问entry这个问题。 |
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l********e
发帖数: 539 | 21 问entry 这个问题，是想他至少能把他以前做的和我们的position联系起来，我知道他
可能什么都会申请，但是申请的时候没有面试管会有兴趣听personal misery， 基本要
说对申请的职位感兴趣把 |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 22 可怜之人自有可恨之处。任何人努力找工作2年还找不到，都是自己的问题。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 问entry 这个问题，是想他至少能把他以前做的和我们的position联系起来，我知道他
: 可能什么都会申请，但是申请的时候没有面试管会有兴趣听personal misery， 基本要
: 说对申请的职位感兴趣把
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m**t
发帖数: 1292 | 23 同情你，人情都要小心的，有没想到如果该人不能招会什么结果。 另外店面最好是有
同事在场，至少组里其他SENIOR。 跟HR 说也必须小心，不需要渲染该人所说的暗示性
骚扰，HR通常也是COVER自己的ass first |
y*********y
发帖数: 122 | 24 我的天， 职场这么恐怖啊。
Good luck to LZ!! |
E****2
发帖数: 247 | 25 No any one has symphathy to this guy? Does he have the experience and skills
you have or not?
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 最近找人，同事forward一个他以前的coworker的resume. 那个人看起来经验比较丰富
: ，但是unemployeed 有2年多了，我的同事说此人的脾气比较大，但是鼓励我和此人电
: 话里谈一下
: 约好了时间，我打过去，先问他 " it looks like you have extensive industry
: background including managerial experience, what makes you interested in
: applying for an entry level position?"
: 他答：“this position is not entry level"
: me ：“huh"
: he: " you listed MBA in your job requirement (note: i put MBA a plus). I
: think any position that requires MBA is a CEO job"
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l********e
发帖数: 539 | 26 Talked with HR. HR said in future let them do the phone screening first.
They also mentioned they have seen cases like this so they will handle this.
People asked me whether I have sympathy for this guy or not. I want to say I
had sympathy for him. Frankly he didn't even have a bachelor's degree...If
I ever had age or degree discrimination, I probably would not even want to
talk to him (of course, there is also some other reason since it's an
internal referral). But he used up my sympathy during the interview.
I am not sure about the answer to "Does he have the experience and skills
you have or not?
But one thing I am positive about is that I don't have the attitude problem
he has. |
d******g
发帖数: 346 | 27 Don't be afraid of him. If he really has the gut to hurt you, he would not
have lost his previous job. The guy is not tough at all. However, let HR
deal with him. I have witnessed HR laid off very tough people like a piece
of cake.
Remember, don't hire people you cannot manage. |
b**********3
发帖数: 694 | 28 re这句话"Remember, don't hire people you cannot manage"
我招人, 这是第一要素, 我可不想给自己找麻烦. 招人本来就是给自己干活的. 其他的
可以学, personality就很难改了. |
l********e
发帖数: 539 | 29 Can't agree more on this one "Remember, don't hire people you cannot manage"
Experience and skills can be acquired through training
Attitude and personality are the foundation of a person's success |
i******s
发帖数: 8734 | 30 太同意了
【在 b**********3 的大作中提到】
: re这句话"Remember, don't hire people you cannot manage"
: 我招人, 这是第一要素, 我可不想给自己找麻烦. 招人本来就是给自己干活的. 其他的
: 可以学, personality就很难改了.
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