T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 1 Despite the urgency, Congress got bogged down over side issues, including a
disagreement over legal liability that, for almost a month, kept a key
hurdle in place from providing face masks to health care workers who
desperately needed them.
As lawmakers got to work in February, manufacturers who make face masks said
they would be able to provide tens of millions more N95 face masks — also
called respirators — to hospitals and first responders. But they needed
Congress to shield them from lawsuits over the alternative masks, which were
originally made for industrial use and thus hadn’t gone through the FDA
approval process that traditional hospital masks are required to go through
before they are used in health care settings. (Both types of masks are N95
quality -- meaning they are meant to fit closely around the face and filter
out 95 percent of airborne particles -- but industrial masks are made for
uses such as construction sites.)
Trial lawyers have long lobbied against such immunity provisions, arguing
that health care workers and patients should be able to sue companies if
something goes wrong.
In early March, Deb Fischer, the Republican senator from Nebraska,
introduced a bill with bipartisan backing that would protect makers of the
respirators, like 3M, from lawsuits if those companies produced masks upon
the federal government’s request.
“The trial lawyers are already trying to figure out who they’re going to
sue and how much they’re going to get out of this,” a Senate GOP aide
complained. “Every time we tried to pass Deb Fischer’s bill, the trial
lawyers were first ones out blocking it. They refused to negotiate with us.”
Democratic leaders in the House, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, were
similarly concerned about waiving consumers’ rights to sue a company over
potentially faulty equipment. Republicans inserted a provision, mirroring
Fischer’s bill, that would have solved the issue into the $8.3 billion
coronavirus relief bill that passed in early March, but House Democratic
leaders stripped the language.
“Why should mask makers have special immunity?” said one Pelosi aide,
explaining her thinking.
In mid-March, as the U.S. economy began to blink red and concerns mounted
about a widespread shortage of masks, Congress scrambled to pass a second
wave of emergency legislation, and then a third.
A temporary waiver on liability on mask makers that included some, but not
all, N95-grade masks was included in the Phase 2 bill negotiated by Pelosi
and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, and the Trump administration announced
that companies would begin producing “tens of millions” more masks a
month. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell—who canceled the Senate’s
planned recess for the week of March 16—made the waiver permanent in Phase
3, which will also allow for more types of masks to be used. |
a****1 发帖数: 634 | 2 Liability 一直就是美国医疗界的沉苛。为了准备损失,药厂先把官司损失打进药价,
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 4 律师老笔可以左右国会,大道理"不能牺牲消费者利益"。
: Liability 一直就是美国医疗界的沉苛。为了准备损失,药厂先把官司损失打进
药价,
: 医生业必需花大价钱买 malpractice insurance,结果这些通通反映到医疗价格
上。
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】 : Liability 一直就是美国医疗界的沉苛。为了准备损失,药厂先把官司损失打进药价, : 医生业必需花大价钱买 malpractice insurance,结果这些通通反映到医疗价格上。
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 5 呼吸机也一样,25000一台,5000事预留的律师费。前段时间五毛yy ny医生可以off
label开救命药。我可以跟你保证,没有一个脑子正常的医生给你开,第一保险不报,
第二一定被告,哪怕吃下去马上起死回生,2年后病人会来告你一堆后遗症
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were
through
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】 : Despite the urgency, Congress got bogged down over side issues, including a : disagreement over legal liability that, for almost a month, kept a key : hurdle in place from providing face masks to health care workers who : desperately needed them. : As lawmakers got to work in February, manufacturers who make face masks said : they would be able to provide tens of millions more N95 face masks — also : called respirators — to hospitals and first responders. But they needed : Congress to shield them from lawsuits over the alternative masks, which were : originally made for industrial use and thus hadn’t gone through the FDA : approval process that traditional hospital masks are required to go through
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a****1 发帖数: 634 | 6 不能怪律师,有 demand 才有 supply,人民喜欢打官司,所以才有那么多律师。为何
人民喜欢打官司?法制观念强、个人维权意识强,讲到底,文化历史的结果。
【在 a**********t 的大作中提到】 : 律师误国。
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 7 我老可以给你讲一个我熟人的例子。我的某四大牛人生娃,自己活蹦乱跳不养胎,最后
生产那天还带老大瞎运动,结果大出血救护车拉去,孩子在nicu 1个礼拜就回来也没有
什么后遗症。当时感激之情溢于言表,满月酒上让我们给医院的children charity
foundation捐钱,我们都只好随了200快。1年后我老听说她找律师告医院,索赔一个亿
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 呼吸机也一样,25000一台,5000事预留的律师费。前段时间五毛yy ny医生可以off : label开救命药。我可以跟你保证,没有一个脑子正常的医生给你开,第一保险不报, : 第二一定被告,哪怕吃下去马上起死回生,2年后病人会来告你一堆后遗症 : : a : said : also : were : through
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 8 共和党多少年就提要求医疗官司索赔封顶,不能有punitive damage. 猪党打死不过
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】 : 律师老笔可以左右国会,大道理"不能牺牲消费者利益"。 : : : Liability 一直就是美国医疗界的沉苛。为了准备损失,药厂先把官司损失打进 : 药价, : : 医生业必需花大价钱买 malpractice insurance,结果这些通通反映到医疗价格 : 上。 :
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 9 所以fda批准很重要,不批没医生敢动。fda整个一二月严守批准流程,没人能生产试剂
盒。
: 呼吸机也一样,25000一台,5000事预留的律师费。前段时间五毛yy ny医生可以
off
: label开救命药。我可以跟你保证,没有一个脑子正常的医生给你开,第一保险
不报,
: 第二一定被告,哪怕吃下去马上起死回生,2年后病人会来告你一堆后遗症
: a
: said
: also
: were
: through
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 共和党多少年就提要求医疗官司索赔封顶,不能有punitive damage. 猪党打死不过
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a**********t 发帖数: 631 | 10 很多demand就是律师创造出来的好吧。人民有多少喜欢打官司?又有多少ambulance
chaser在那儿发死人财?
不说别的,每年这么多荒诞的集体诉讼,是人民为了那几分几毛的支票去打官司的吗?
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】 : 不能怪律师,有 demand 才有 supply,人民喜欢打官司,所以才有那么多律师。为何 : 人民喜欢打官司?法制观念强、个人维权意识强,讲到底,文化历史的结果。
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 11 生孩子最容易告,有点缺陷算一生收入损失都是天文数字,而且陪审员也容易被煽情,
所以好多是医院和解,助长诉讼风气。
: 我老可以给你讲一个我熟人的例子。我的某四大牛人生娃,自己活蹦乱跳不养胎
,最后
: 生产那天还带老大瞎运动,结果大出血救护车拉去,孩子在nicu 1个礼拜就回来
也没有
: 什么后遗症。当时感激之情溢于言表,满月酒上让我们给医院的children
charity
: foundation捐钱,我们都只好随了200快。1年后我老听说她找律师告医院,索赔
一个亿
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 共和党多少年就提要求医疗官司索赔封顶,不能有punitive damage. 猪党打死不过
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a**********t 发帖数: 631 | 12 Twitter上还有人众筹MIT设计的一百刀手动呼吸机。我就说了几句,这玩意说是需要专
业人员操作,有哪个专业人员敢用,除了病人和家属之外谁可以承担这个liability?
说完就被block了。
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】 : 所以fda批准很重要,不批没医生敢动。fda整个一二月严守批准流程,没人能生产试剂 : 盒。 : : : 呼吸机也一样,25000一台,5000事预留的律师费。前段时间五毛yy ny医生可以 : off : : label开救命药。我可以跟你保证,没有一个脑子正常的医生给你开,第一保险 : 不报, : : 第二一定被告,哪怕吃下去马上起死回生,2年后病人会来告你一堆后遗症 : : a : : said
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 13 所以我告诉你的意思是,你治疗的效果毫无意义,病人当时的心态毫无意义,面对天文
数字的利益,每个人都会变成南京老太,正所谓制度杀人就是这个意思。美国医疗这么
烂,全拜托猪党的贡献。我实话实话大保险公司占不到5%的责任
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】 : 生孩子最容易告,有点缺陷算一生收入损失都是天文数字,而且陪审员也容易被煽情, : 所以好多是医院和解,助长诉讼风气。 : : : 我老可以给你讲一个我熟人的例子。我的某四大牛人生娃,自己活蹦乱跳不养胎 : ,最后 : : 生产那天还带老大瞎运动,结果大出血救护车拉去,孩子在nicu 1个礼拜就回来 : 也没有 : : 什么后遗症。当时感激之情溢于言表,满月酒上让我们给医院的children : charity : : foundation捐钱,我们都只好随了200快。1年后我老听说她找律师告医院,索赔
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a****1 发帖数: 634 | 14 集体诉讼只有几毛几分?Over the years,时不时就会收到一封信要我参加集体诉讼,
从来没参加过,但始终好奇收益有多少?
如果没有这个历史文化,就算律师想创造也创造不出来。中国自古就有讼师这行业,从
来也没成气候,远不如把脉抓药的。人民想要/注重什么,才会有那行业。
【在 a**********t 的大作中提到】 : 很多demand就是律师创造出来的好吧。人民有多少喜欢打官司?又有多少ambulance : chaser在那儿发死人财? : 不说别的,每年这么多荒诞的集体诉讼,是人民为了那几分几毛的支票去打官司的吗?
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d********f 发帖数: 43471 | 15 收益一般是billable hours +1/3分账,另外想好的做分钱,一般class action律师那7
-8成,剩下你们分
【在 a****1 的大作中提到】 : 集体诉讼只有几毛几分?Over the years,时不时就会收到一封信要我参加集体诉讼, : 从来没参加过,但始终好奇收益有多少? : 如果没有这个历史文化,就算律师想创造也创造不出来。中国自古就有讼师这行业,从 : 来也没成气候,远不如把脉抓药的。人民想要/注重什么,才会有那行业。
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 16 律师最爱class action,但受害者人数多个人摊不到多少钱,律师赚大了,让法庭同意
升级为class是个大学问。
: 收益一般是billable hours 1/3分账,另外想好的做分钱,一般class action
律师那7
: -8成,剩下你们分
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 收益一般是billable hours +1/3分账,另外想好的做分钱,一般class action律师那7 : -8成,剩下你们分
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a****1 发帖数: 634 | 17 谢谢解释,以后就不用考虑要不要回信了 lol
那7
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】 : 收益一般是billable hours +1/3分账,另外想好的做分钱,一般class action律师那7 : -8成,剩下你们分
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