E********M
发帖数: 1372 | 1 政府对付工会的方法，
前阵子的chicago教师工会罢工， 如果政府说， 头２５％回来工作的可以加薪７％，
之后的５０％以后可以保住工作， 剩下的２５％将不在聘用， 另外立马招人。 我就
不信工会的老师不动摇，最后分裂。 | l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 2 您老竞选市长，偶投您一票，呵呵，人才啊人才
，
【在 E********M 的大作中提到】
: 政府对付工会的方法，
: 前阵子的chicago教师工会罢工， 如果政府说， 头２５％回来工作的可以加薪７％，
: 之后的５０％以后可以保住工作， 剩下的２５％将不在聘用， 另外立马招人。 我就
: 不信工会的老师不动摇，最后分裂。
| r******g
发帖数: 4002 | 3 工会是民主党的铁票仓，民主党政府会对付工会？奥黑这次当选，工会功不可没。
，
【在 E********M 的大作中提到】
: 政府对付工会的方法，
: 前阵子的chicago教师工会罢工， 如果政府说， 头２５％回来工作的可以加薪７％，
: 之后的５０％以后可以保住工作， 剩下的２５％将不在聘用， 另外立马招人。 我就
: 不信工会的老师不动摇，最后分裂。
| l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 4 您这就孤陋寡闻了，没钱了，都会内斗哈
【在 r******g 的大作中提到】
: 工会是民主党的铁票仓，民主党政府会对付工会？奥黑这次当选，工会功不可没。
:
: ，
| B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 5 如果工会这么容易瓦解的话，他们100年前就消失了。团结，马克思墓碑上的第一个词。
，
【在 E********M 的大作中提到】
: 政府对付工会的方法，
: 前阵子的chicago教师工会罢工， 如果政府说， 头２５％回来工作的可以加薪７％，
: 之后的５０％以后可以保住工作， 剩下的２５％将不在聘用， 另外立马招人。 我就
: 不信工会的老师不动摇，最后分裂。
| E********M
发帖数: 1372 | 6 以前他们的到群众的支持， 但我看最近的罢工，都没有民意的。 让人很反感。
词。
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: 如果工会这么容易瓦解的话，他们100年前就消失了。团结，马克思墓碑上的第一个词。
:
: ，
| B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 7 是没民意。美国完全弄反了，该有工会的地方没有，不该有的地方去不掉。公共领域不
该有工会，而私有领域的工会已经基本被打没了。
【在 E********M 的大作中提到】
: 以前他们的到群众的支持， 但我看最近的罢工，都没有民意的。 让人很反感。
:
: 词。
| l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 8 解散工会？那先把那行会也解散得了，自由经济嘛，公平就行，估计医生律师肯定不干
，凭什么你垄断医院，他不能垄断码头？呵呵
【在 E********M 的大作中提到】
: 以前他们的到群众的支持， 但我看最近的罢工，都没有民意的。 让人很反感。
:
: 词。
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 9 另外一个方法就是全部炒掉,另外招人.现在还怕招不到人? | l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 10 要看有木有技术含量了，什么工会
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 另外一个方法就是全部炒掉,另外招人.现在还怕招不到人?
| | | d*********e
发帖数: 279 | 11 这个政府要有guts,Reagan 当年fire了一万多个air traffic controller,这个也是有
技术含量的,broke the union. | l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 12 教父这么说，一定是对的
【在 d*********e 的大作中提到】
: 这个政府要有guts,Reagan 当年fire了一万多个air traffic controller,这个也是有
: 技术含量的,broke the union.
| B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 13 那是因为有很多军方的人可用，不是市场上找来的，而且政府也早有准备。现在估计军
方都未必愿意趟这种浑水了。
【在 d*********e 的大作中提到】
: 这个政府要有guts,Reagan 当年fire了一万多个air traffic controller,这个也是有
: 技术含量的,broke the union.
| b*x
发帖数: 5456 | 14 没人敢去应聘，工会就是黑社会。 人家堵着门口不要你去应聘和上班。
这就是左轮的选择， 我要的是我一小撮人的自由和别人不能干涉我们一小撮人的自由
， 否则就是要上纲上线的。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 另外一个方法就是全部炒掉,另外招人.现在还怕招不到人?
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 15 这个当初撒切尔有经验啊,和英国煤矿工人苦斗一年,然后工会倒台.
【在 b*x 的大作中提到】
: 没人敢去应聘，工会就是黑社会。 人家堵着门口不要你去应聘和上班。
: 这就是左轮的选择， 我要的是我一小撮人的自由和别人不能干涉我们一小撮人的自由
: ， 否则就是要上纲上线的。
| b*x
发帖数: 5456 | 16 呵呵， 人家是保守党领袖， Obama是共党领袖。 能比吗？黑墨懒残都超过50%。 没戏
。 只有中间右派强人才能就美国。。。现在还没看到希望。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 这个当初撒切尔有经验啊,和英国煤矿工人苦斗一年,然后工会倒台.
| l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 17
今天的美国，不，北墨西哥，是不能由共和党白人来做这事了。
不过，黑暗里的曙光，菊然被老黑自己做了！
最近的新闻，北墨最黑的，最反安全的城市，新泽西CAMDEN的市政府官员终于
受不了公务员工会的长期折磨，准备对那些拿着工会肥薪的警察下手。
看看，还得自己养家，才知道柴米油盐贵啊。
纽约时报的标题是很含糊的，TMD还是力薄肉啊。
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/nyregion/overrun-by-crime-cam
To Fight Crime, a Poor City Will Trade In Its Police
Jessica Kourkounis for The New York Times
Janiah Rosas, 8, and her brother Jaden, 3, playing outside an abandoned
house in Camden, N.J., where crime is rampant.
By KATE ZERNIKE
Published: September 28, 2012
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CAMDEN, N.J. — Two gruesome murders of children last month — a toddler
decapitated, a 6-year-old stabbed in his sleep — served as reminders of
this city’s reputation as the most dangerous in America. Others can be
found along the blocks of row houses spray-painted “R.I.P.,” empty liquor
bottles clustered on their porches in memorial to murder victims.
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A new county force will patrol Camden, home to 77,000.
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“How do I go to the community and say ‘I’m doing everything I can to help
you fight crime’ when some of my officers are working better hours than
bankers?” said the Camden police chief, J. Scott Thomson.
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Chief Thomson, above right, questioning a woman who was charged with heroin
possession in public park.
The police acknowledge that they have all but ceded these streets to crime,
with murders on track to break records this year. And now, in a desperate
move to regain control, city officials are planning to disband the Police
Department.
The reason, officials say, is that generous union contracts have made it
financially impossible to keep enough officers on the street. So in November
, Camden, which has already had substantial police layoffs, will begin
terminating the remaining 273 officers and give control to a new county
force. The move, officials say, will free up millions to hire a larger,
nonunionized force of 400 officers to safeguard the city, which is also the
nation’s poorest.
Hardly a political battle of the last several years has been fiercer than
the one over the fate of public sector unions. But Camden’s decision to
remake perhaps the most essential public service for a city riven by crime
underscores how communities are taking previously unimaginable steps to get
out from under union obligations that built up over generations.
Though the city is solidly Democratic, the plan to put the Police Department
out of business has not prompted the wide public outcry seen in the union
battles in Chicago, Ohio or Wisconsin, in part because many residents have
come to resent a police force they see as incompetent, corrupt and doing
little to make their streets safe.
A police union has sued to stop the move, saying it is risking public safety
on an “unproven” idea. But many residents, community groups and elected
officials say that the city is simply out of money, out of options, out of
patience.
“There’s no alternative, there’s no Plan B,” the City Council president,
Frank Moran, said. “It’s the only option we have.”
Faced with tight budgets, many communities across the country are
considering regionalizing their police departments, along with other
services like firefighting, libraries and schools. Though some governments
have rejected the idea for fear of increasing police response time, the
police in Camden — population 77,000 — are already so overloaded they no
longer respond to property crimes or car accidents that do not involve
injuries.
The new effort follows a push by New Jersey’s governor, Chris Christie, a
Republican, and Democratic leaders in the Legislature to encourage cities
and towns to regionalize government services. They maintain that in a new
era of government austerity, it is no longer possible for each community to
offer a full buffet of government services, especially with a new law
prohibiting communities from raising property taxes more than 2 percent a
year.
Most municipalities have so far remained committed to local traditions,
fearing a loss of community identity, but officials in Camden County say
they expect others will soon feel compelled to follow the city’s example.
Camden’s budget was $167 million last year, and of that, the budget for the
police was $55 million. Yet the city collected only $21 million in property
taxes. It has relied on state aid to make up the difference, but the state
is turning off the spigot. The city has imposed furloughs, reduced salaries
and trash collection, and increased fees. But the businesses the city
desperately needs to attract to generate more revenue are scared off by the
crime.
“We cannot move the city forward unless we address public safety,” the
mayor, Dana L. Redd, said. “This is about putting boots on the ground.”
Even union officials acknowledge that the contract is rich with expensive
provisions. For example, officers earn an additional 4 percent for working a
day shift, and an additional 10 percent for the shift starting at 9:30 p.m.
They earn an additional 11 percent for working on a special tactical force
or an anticrime patrol.
Salaries range from about $47,000 to $81,000 now, not including the shift
differentials or additional longevity payments of 3 percent to 11 percent
for any officer who has worked five years or more. Officials say they
anticipate salaries for the new force will range from $47,000 to $87,000.
In 2009, as the economy was putting a freeze on municipal budgets even in
well-off communities, the police here secured a pay increase of 3.75 percent.
And liberal sick time and family-leave policies have created an unusually
high absentee rate: every day, nearly 30 percent of the force does not show
up. (A typical rate elsewhere is in the single digits.)
“How do I go to the community and say ‘I’m doing everything I can to help
you fight crime’ when some of my officers are working better hours than
bankers?” the police chief, J. Scott Thomson, asked.
Chief Thomson, who is well regarded nationally, is expected to lead the new
force. Though Camden County covers 220 square miles and includes 37
municipalities, the proposal calls for a division focused exclusively on the
nine-square-mile city of Camden.
Camden, in the shadow of Philadelphia’s glimmering towers, once had a
thriving industrial base — a shipyard, Campbell Soup and RCA plants along
the waterfront. About 60,000 jobs were lost when those companies moved or
shifted them elsewhere.
Nearly one in five of its residents is unemployed, and Broadway, once the
main shopping strip, is now a canyon of abandoned buildings.
The burned-out shell of one house, a landmark built by one of the city’s
founding families, has become a drug den.
This month, a heroin user there demanded that a passer-by give her some
privacy to use it. “Can you show me a little respect?” she said. “I’m in
a park.”
Camden reorganized its Police Department in 2008 and had a lower homicide
rate for two years. Then the recession forced layoffs, reducing the force by
about 100 officers.
The city has employed other crime-fighting tactics — surveillance cameras,
better lighting, curfews for children — but the number of murders has risen
again: at 48 so far this year, it is on pace to break the record, 58.
The murder rate so far this year is above 6 people per 10,000. By contrast,
New York City’s rate is just over one-third of a person per 10,000
residents.
Many of the drug users come to Camden from elsewhere in the county, getting
off the light-rail system to buy from the drug markets along what police
call Heroin Highway in the neighborhood of North Camden.
“That is cocaine, that is heroin, that is crack,” Bryan Morton, a
community activist, said recently as he used his car key to flick away empty
bags while his 3-year-old daughter played nearby. This summer, Mr. Morton
tried to set up the city’s first Little League in 15 years in nearby Pyne
Poynt Park. Drug users colonized even the portable toilets set up for the
players, littering them with empty glassine drug packets and needle caps.
Like other residents, he is resentful of the police union for making it so
prohibitive to hire more officers. “The contract is creating a public
safety crisis,” Mr. Morton said. “More officers could change the
complexion of this neighborhood.”
John Williamson, the president of the Fraternal Order of Police, blamed the
city for creating the problems by shifting officers onto patrols, where they
receive extra pay, from administrative positions. He said he was open to
negotiation but believed that the city simply wanted to get rid of the
contract.
“They want to go back to a 1930s atmosphere where employees and officers
have absolutely no rights to redress bad management and poor working
conditions,” he said.
Under labor law, the current contract will remain in effect if the new
county force hires more than 49 percent of the current officers. So county
officials say they will hire fewer than that. Nevertheless, they expect that
the new force will eventually become unionized.
Officials say that simply adding officers will not make all the difference,
given the deep suspicion many residents harbor toward the police. As the
chief and his deputy drove through the Whitman Park neighborhood this month,
people sitting on their stoops stood up to shake their fists and shout
obscenities at them. When police officers arrested a person suspected of
dealing drugs in a house on a narrow street in North Camden last year,
residents set upon their cars and freed the prisoner.
The new county officers will be brought in 25 at a time, while the existing
force is still in place, and trained on neighborhood streets, in the hopes
that they can become part of their fabric and regain trust.
Ian K. Leonard, a member of the Camden County Board of Freeholders and the
state political director for the International Brotherhood of Electrical
Workers, said he did not blame the union officials who won the provisions.
But he said he believed that the contracts were helping to perpetuate the “
most dangerous city in America” title that he and others hate.
“If you add police, it will give us a fighting chance,” Mr. Leonard said.
“People need a fighting chance.”
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 这个当初撒切尔有经验啊,和英国煤矿工人苦斗一年,然后工会倒台.
| p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 18 社会主义的最终道路一定是自我瓦解。资本家打不过他们，但是他们最终会自己跟自己
打起来。社会主义道路，不管开始看起来有多强大，最终长久不了。
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
:
: 今天的美国，不，北墨西哥，是不能由共和党白人来做这事了。
: 不过，黑暗里的曙光，菊然被老黑自己做了！
: 最近的新闻，北墨最黑的，最反安全的城市，新泽西CAMDEN的市政府官员终于
: 受不了公务员工会的长期折磨，准备对那些拿着工会肥薪的警察下手。
: 看看，还得自己养家，才知道柴米油盐贵啊。
: 纽约时报的标题是很含糊的，TMD还是力薄肉啊。
: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/nyregion/overrun-by-crime-cam
: To Fight Crime, a Poor City Will Trade In Its Police
: Jessica Kourkounis for The New York Times
| b*x
发帖数: 5456 | 19 所以public sector的工会是非法的。
政府和工会的目的是一致的， 工会要长长久久， 政府要长治久安的当政。 结果俺们
纳税人买单。
，
【在 E********M 的大作中提到】
: 政府对付工会的方法，
: 前阵子的chicago教师工会罢工， 如果政府说， 头２５％回来工作的可以加薪７％，
: 之后的５０％以后可以保住工作， 剩下的２５％将不在聘用， 另外立马招人。 我就
: 不信工会的老师不动摇，最后分裂。
| C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 20 This makes me feel better.
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: 社会主义的最终道路一定是自我瓦解。资本家打不过他们，但是他们最终会自己跟自己
: 打起来。社会主义道路，不管开始看起来有多强大，最终长久不了。
| | | j******a
发帖数: 1582 | 21 就是
人斗争经验丰富着那
什么没见过
词。
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: 如果工会这么容易瓦解的话，他们100年前就消失了。团结，马克思墓碑上的第一个词。
:
: ，
| p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 22 在全球经济一体化的今天，无论他们斗争经验多丰富，最终的结果还是把自己搞死。区
别只是在于，是被别人打败，还是跟企业一起死，还是跟国家一起死。
【在 j******a 的大作中提到】
: 就是
: 人斗争经验丰富着那
: 什么没见过
:
: 词。
| j******a
发帖数: 1582 | 23 真要二者留其一
你猜是工会先死，还是全球化先死（贸易壁垒重新被搞起来）？
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: 在全球经济一体化的今天，无论他们斗争经验多丰富，最终的结果还是把自己搞死。区
: 别只是在于，是被别人打败，还是跟企业一起死，还是跟国家一起死。
| p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 24 你指望全世界突然有一天都跟前清一样闭关锁国？
【在 j******a 的大作中提到】
: 真要二者留其一
: 你猜是工会先死，还是全球化先死（贸易壁垒重新被搞起来）？
| j******a
发帖数: 1582 | 25 为什么不可能呢？
当工会发现全球化是他们的敌人的时候
作为一股政治力量
最起码他们会尝试干掉全球化
剩下的就是两方博弈了
胜负尚未可知
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: 你指望全世界突然有一天都跟前清一样闭关锁国？
| p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 26 在他们有能力干掉全球化之前，他们已经把自己国家干的没竞争能力了，还有屁的能力
管外国的事情？
【在 j******a 的大作中提到】
: 为什么不可能呢？
: 当工会发现全球化是他们的敌人的时候
: 作为一股政治力量
: 最起码他们会尝试干掉全球化
: 剩下的就是两方博弈了
: 胜负尚未可知
| l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 27 +1
【在 j******a 的大作中提到】
: 为什么不可能呢？
: 当工会发现全球化是他们的敌人的时候
: 作为一股政治力量
: 最起码他们会尝试干掉全球化
: 剩下的就是两方博弈了
: 胜负尚未可知
| l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 28
haha, right on!
I don't know why people can be so naive.
In their eyes, the US will be as powerful as today decades down the road.
In their liberal minds, their guys on throne will be no different from other
competent leaders in past. Yeah, that's liberal fantasy land.
With this liberal running mindset, the country under odumba will run into
ditch sooner than later. After that's done, why the hell the rest of world
cares if US is a closed market or not??? With those days green bills still
carry a trickle of purchasing power:)
stupid libero buttheads living in fairy tale.
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: 在他们有能力干掉全球化之前，他们已经把自己国家干的没竞争能力了，还有屁的能力
: 管外国的事情？
| l******g
发帖数: 6771 | 29 观点明确，不敢苟同
other
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
:
: haha, right on!
: I don't know why people can be so naive.
: In their eyes, the US will be as powerful as today decades down the road.
: In their liberal minds, their guys on throne will be no different from other
: competent leaders in past. Yeah, that's liberal fantasy land.
: With this liberal running mindset, the country under odumba will run into
: ditch sooner than later. After that's done, why the hell the rest of world
: cares if US is a closed market or not??? With those days green bills still
: carry a trickle of purchasing power:)
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 30 呵呵, I second this.
中国政府出面,什么样的工会都搞定乐
【在 p**j 的大作中提到】
: 在他们有能力干掉全球化之前，他们已经把自己国家干的没竞争能力了，还有屁的能力
: 管外国的事情？
|
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