w**********r
发帖数: 128 | 1 V4, it says "... This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our
faith".
From this I feel it means "this victory overcomes our faith", but it does
not make sense. When I look at the Chinese translation, the meaning is "our
faith makes us overcome the world". I am quite confused, why there is such
a big difference between the translation in English and that in Chinese?
I would really appreciate if some one can answer my question. For those non-
Christians, please don't bother to reply to my post. Thanks. | E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 2 這裡其實沒有基督徒， 板大都說了， 不是自稱是基督徒就算。 | G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 3 >> This is the victory that has overcome the world, (and this is) even our faith.
>> 我不是基督徒。没事儿，我不怕麻烦。不用谢。 | E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 4 This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our
(previous,pagan, heretic, evil) faith。
嗯， 也不用謝。 | h**z
发帖数: 196 | 5 the word "even" is not in the original text. The translator added it in. If
you read KJV, the "even" is in [ ]. To my understanding, the meaning of "
even" in this sentence is "more exactly". So the Chinese translation is
correct.
Here are some parallel translations of this verse, which may give you a
clear understanding:
http://bible.cc/1_john/5-4.htm
our
such
non-
【在 w**********r 的大作中提到】
: V4, it says "... This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our
: faith".
: From this I feel it means "this victory overcomes our faith", but it does
: not make sense. When I look at the Chinese translation, the meaning is "our
: faith makes us overcome the world". I am quite confused, why there is such
: a big difference between the translation in English and that in Chinese?
: I would really appreciate if some one can answer my question. For those non-
: Christians, please don't bother to reply to my post. Thanks.
| o**1
发帖数: 6383 | 6 圣灵怎么让 translator 往里面乱加字呀。
圣灵打瞌睡了？
If
【在 h**z 的大作中提到】
: the word "even" is not in the original text. The translator added it in. If
: you read KJV, the "even" is in [ ]. To my understanding, the meaning of "
: even" in this sentence is "more exactly". So the Chinese translation is
: correct.
: Here are some parallel translations of this verse, which may give you a
: clear understanding:
: http://bible.cc/1_john/5-4.htm
:
: our
: such
| m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 7
our
such
non-
请参考不同版本的译本：
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?t=NKJV&x=55&y=7&b=1Jo&c=5&v=1#vrsn/4
even our faith,最后一句，我理解意思是说---this is because our faith, 指上句
话整体--这是我们所信的。
和合本其实翻译的挺好：
因为凡从神生的，就胜过世界。使我们胜了世界的，就是我们的信心。
还有另一个译本：“
因为凡从上帝生的，都战胜世界。我们战胜了世界，是因为我们的信心。
【在 w**********r 的大作中提到】
: V4, it says "... This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our
: faith".
: From this I feel it means "this victory overcomes our faith", but it does
: not make sense. When I look at the Chinese translation, the meaning is "our
: faith makes us overcome the world". I am quite confused, why there is such
: a big difference between the translation in English and that in Chinese?
: I would really appreciate if some one can answer my question. For those non-
: Christians, please don't bother to reply to my post. Thanks.
| E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8 這是有深意的， 故意弄成這樣， 讓你體會字句不重要。
你冤枉聖靈了。
【在 o**1 的大作中提到】
: 圣灵怎么让 translator 往里面乱加字呀。
: 圣灵打瞌睡了？
:
: If
| D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 9 基督徒一想到要征服世界，就激动得浑身发抖，连用荒谬的信条征服人的信仰都可以，
还有什么不可能的呢？征服世界，只是小菜一碟。
our
such
non-
【在 w**********r 的大作中提到】
: V4, it says "... This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our
: faith".
: From this I feel it means "this victory overcomes our faith", but it does
: not make sense. When I look at the Chinese translation, the meaning is "our
: faith makes us overcome the world". I am quite confused, why there is such
: a big difference between the translation in English and that in Chinese?
: I would really appreciate if some one can answer my question. For those non-
: Christians, please don't bother to reply to my post. Thanks.
| w**********r
发帖数: 128 | 10 Many thanks for the answers from hnfz and myelsa. | S*********o
发帖数: 1334 | 11 我觉得意思是：
This is the victory that has overcome the world, [this is even] our faith.
下一句是进一步说明：
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the
Son of God.
中文的翻译理得更顺一点，是把下面一句的意思融合在里面。
our
such
non-
【在 w**********r 的大作中提到】
: V4, it says "... This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our
: faith".
: From this I feel it means "this victory overcomes our faith", but it does
: not make sense. When I look at the Chinese translation, the meaning is "our
: faith makes us overcome the world". I am quite confused, why there is such
: a big difference between the translation in English and that in Chinese?
: I would really appreciate if some one can answer my question. For those non-
: Christians, please don't bother to reply to my post. Thanks.
| D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 12 有的版本用的是个破折号或者冒号代替[even]，意思也比较清楚，就是靠信仰征服世界
，这种征服已经胜利完成。
基督教这种自信是不是侵略性太强了点？
【在 S*********o 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得意思是：
: This is the victory that has overcome the world, [this is even] our faith.
: 下一句是进一步说明：
: Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the
: Son of God.
: 中文的翻译理得更顺一点，是把下面一句的意思融合在里面。
:
: our
: such
: non-
| S*********o
发帖数: 1334 | 13 约一4:21 爱神的，也当爱弟兄，这是我们从神所受的命令。
约一5:1 凡信耶稣是基督的，都是从神而生，凡爱生他之神的，也必爱从神生
的。
约一5:2 我们若爱神，又遵守他的诫命，从此就知道我们爱神的儿女。
约一5:3 我们遵守神的诫命，这就是爱他了，并且他的诫命不是难守的。
约一5:4 因为凡从神生的，就胜过世界；使我们胜了世界的，就是我们的信心。
约一5:5 胜过世界的是谁呢？不是那信耶稣是神儿子的吗？
这里讲的胜过世界是指遵守神的诫命，不再随从世界的风俗和自己的私欲。遵守神的诫
命最重要的就是爱人，从爱自己的弟兄开始，坚守神的道，甚至于爱自己的敌人。爱不
是一件容易的事情，常常是与强肉弱食的世界的法则相矛盾的，我们需要胜过世界、胜
过自己，才能够爱。而对耶稣基督的信心，就是我们爱的力量源泉，使我们能从心里遵
行他的诫命。这不是侵略世界的意思。
这个overcome the world
【在 D*****r 的大作中提到】
: 有的版本用的是个破折号或者冒号代替[even]，意思也比较清楚，就是靠信仰征服世界
: ，这种征服已经胜利完成。
: 基督教这种自信是不是侵略性太强了点？
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