n***a
发帖数: 274 | 1 两手牌back to back
hero: tight, but don’t think villains know too much
villain, tight older guy, decent player and seems to be fairly
straightforward
hero: TT, EP, villian bet $7, 1 caller and hero; (pot $21)
flop: KQ7 rainbow, all check,
turn: 9, hero $10, villain call, LP fold, (pot $41)
river: 2, hero check, villain $16, hero call (3.5:1 pot odds)
villain showed KK
villain, a young guy just sat down, i put him on a LAG, but later learnt he
’s pretty TAG
hero: QJo,
flop AJT rainbow, villian EP $10, 1 caller, hero BTN call (pot $38, preflop
all limp)
turn: 7, villain $10, hero call, other fold (pot $58)
river: 3, villain $10, hero call (6:1 pot odds)
villain showed AT
大家说着两手牌玩的有问题么，尤其是river call是EV+的么
如果是，那么villain river bet多少hero就不该call了呢？ | l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 2 不要总是call， 要raise 或者fold。
第一手， preflop 你可以reraise， tight old guy most likely would 4bet
or all-in, then you fold.
Second hand, you can raise on the pre-flop too. but if you just call pre-
flop, you could raise on flop or fold on the flop. Don't call with this flop.
从这两手看不出来你是紧手。
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】
: 两手牌back to back
: hero: tight, but don’t think villains know too much
: villain, tight older guy, decent player and seems to be fairly
: straightforward
: hero: TT, EP, villian bet $7, 1 caller and hero; (pot $21)
: flop: KQ7 rainbow, all check,
: turn: 9, hero $10, villain call, LP fold, (pot $41)
: river: 2, hero check, villain $16, hero call (3.5:1 pot odds)
: villain showed KK
: villain, a young guy just sat down, i put him on a LAG, but later learnt he
| n***a
发帖数: 274 | 3 我的思考
第一手确实想过raise preflop,当时的考虑时villain很少在EP raise,所以觉得TT应该
落后了,想看看有没有set flop
flop都check后,turn又给了个GSSD,觉得有可能villain是个low PP,
river call只是个bluff catcher with good pot odds看看有没有小对。
第二手确实可以Button raise，不过对这手的结果应该关系不大。
当时把villain放在AX上，flop，turn call感觉有足够的outs (4Ks,3Qs,2Js)
river call是因为给了我无法拒绝的pot odds to catch bluff。
两手牌没有raise的原因主要是因为pot control。
当然这两手牌后，有人直接说我：“playing like a calling station here”:P | l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 4 本来我都写了“calling station", 怕太很了， 你以后不来了， 又删了。
第一手， 既然你认为你pre－flop落后了， fold preflop， no-shame to fold any
hand, even AA. people fold AA preplop in certain circumstance. 相信你的直觉
， 特别是女人的直觉。
第二手， 可能对手已经是NUTs了， 你只有raise才能得到信息。call 只有送钱而得不
到任何信息。
anyway, 打牌是实践出真知， 多打， 多思考， 经常来这大家一起讨论，共同进步。 | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 When you make a bet or raise, you always want to think about the goal of
the bet.
Bet for value , for information , or bluffing.
I would not bet on the turn with TT since the bet would not get worse
hand to call and would not get better hand to fold. I would not call on the
river as well since he would not likely to call small pp on the turn and
the river bet is clearly a value town.
For second hand, I would call on the flop and give it up on the turn.
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的思考
: 第一手确实想过raise preflop,当时的考虑时villain很少在EP raise,所以觉得TT应该
: 落后了,想看看有没有set flop
: flop都check后,turn又给了个GSSD,觉得有可能villain是个low PP,
: river call只是个bluff catcher with good pot odds看看有没有小对。
: 第二手确实可以Button raise，不过对这手的结果应该关系不大。
: 当时把villain放在AX上，flop，turn call感觉有足够的outs (4Ks,3Qs,2Js)
: river call是因为给了我无法拒绝的pot odds to catch bluff。
: 两手牌没有raise的原因主要是因为pot control。
: 当然这两手牌后，有人直接说我：“playing like a calling station here”:P
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 both hands are bluff catching hands only, i don't mind calling once, but
twice or more and still calling weak on river is kind of donating, or too
easy for your opponents to know where they are at. they can always extract
some value without taking guesses/risks at all.
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的思考
: 第一手确实想过raise preflop,当时的考虑时villain很少在EP raise,所以觉得TT应该
: 落后了,想看看有没有set flop
: flop都check后,turn又给了个GSSD,觉得有可能villain是个low PP,
: river call只是个bluff catcher with good pot odds看看有没有小对。
: 第二手确实可以Button raise，不过对这手的结果应该关系不大。
: 当时把villain放在AX上，flop，turn call感觉有足够的outs (4Ks,3Qs,2Js)
: river call是因为给了我无法拒绝的pot odds to catch bluff。
: 两手牌没有raise的原因主要是因为pot control。
: 当然这两手牌后，有人直接说我：“playing like a calling station here”:P
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