l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 1 前不久打的一次NL500 cash game, me BB with 58spades, UTG+1 3x bets, one
caller before me, i called. flop: Qs6c7c, UTG+1 3xBB bet, one fold, I bet
9xBB testing whether he has a Q or sets(QcXc or something or a pair of 6 or
7). He thinks and calls. Got me thinking he has tptk with a flush draw. Turn
a 6s. I bet 10xBB to keep my draw live, he calls. Rivered a 4h, I hit my
draw to have a straght now and so sure I am ahead. I checked, he bet another
10xBB, i raised 20xBB. He thinks long and then calls. At that moment I
realized he must have a 67suited to start the 3xbet. Luckily he did not
shovel to save me another 50BBs. This is one of my biggest leaks where I
sometimes get into a blind spot that I am so sure of his tptk that I refuse
to believe he made the boat on the turn, esp when I am the chip leader. Any
similar mind traps and advice for fix? | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 your sizing is very bad. villian's sizing is even worse.
I would lead river 2/3 pot and fold to a shove if deep. There is really no reason to check raise that river after you make your draw. A lot of hand that he checks back will call a pretty big bet from you. | f*****r
发帖数: 754 | 3 hands range包括67s
不要仅仅推断对手是tptk或者set
bet
6 or
draw. Turn
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refuse
【在 l*********l 的大作中提到】
: 前不久打的一次NL500 cash game, me BB with 58spades, UTG+1 3x bets, one
: caller before me, i called. flop: Qs6c7c, UTG+1 3xBB bet, one fold, I bet
: 9xBB testing whether he has a Q or sets(QcXc or something or a pair of 6 or
: 7). He thinks and calls. Got me thinking he has tptk with a flush draw. Turn
: a 6s. I bet 10xBB to keep my draw live, he calls. Rivered a 4h, I hit my
: draw to have a straght now and so sure I am ahead. I checked, he bet another
: 10xBB, i raised 20xBB. He thinks long and then calls. At that moment I
: realized he must have a 67suited to start the 3xbet. Luckily he did not
: shovel to save me another 50BBs. This is one of my biggest leaks where I
: sometimes get into a blind spot that I am so sure of his tptk that I refuse
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | | y**t
发帖数: 205 | 5 +1
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: easy fix: fold preflop
| t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 6 +1. 真想玩刺激的可以squeeze。MM说得有理，sizing各种奇怪，碰上个稍微donk点的
估计就顶不
住了...
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: easy fix: fold preflop
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 Calling preflop is not that bad. We are getting good odds. More importantly
since most of live players suck very bad, we can outplay them post flop
even out of position. Squeeze is marginal, it depends on our image and
whether the 2 player in the pot are folders. if they don't fold enough, i
hate squeezing here.
I do not like the check raise flop. the board is semi-wet. There are a lot
of draw hands that would continue with this small raise and still beat your
8 high. You have to fire 3 barrel here most of time to bluff if you don't
hit your straight. Being out of position here, it is not profitable. Just
check call with the straight, straight draw is hard to read and has good
implied odds and he is giving you good odds to draw as well. Since there is
a flush draw on the board, you can also bluff river if the flush card come
out and he slows down on the turn. No need to blow up the pot here out of
position with 8 high. Again, do bet river when hit, you look like bluffing
with busted flush draw, he will call a pretty big bet on the river normally if he has a pair. | s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 8 call me weak nor not. How can you play 67s at UTG+1 and open up with a 3xBB
in NL500? I guess that is why I don't play NL500. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 i guess it's ok to mix up in some cases, it's better than limping and
getting popped IF we plan to play this hand from this position.
3xBB
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: call me weak nor not. How can you play 67s at UTG+1 and open up with a 3xBB
: in NL500? I guess that is why I don't play NL500.
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 10 I guess it is either 3x or fold from UTG+1. I would probably fold my 67s,
and regret for it during the whole session. Hats off to those who can
honestly play 67s in this situations. | | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 67s has been part of my utg opening for NL100 rush since last December.
hoho.. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 hehe, it's all about balancing your range.
if you open 3x 67s most of time from UTG or EP, i'd say it's bad. but on the
other hand, if we fold every time here, it's also bad since we're playing a
"simpler" style and can be exploited easily.
after all, preflop, the pot is relatively small, and we play 67s for its
great implied odds against weak guys' AJo, TT, or 99 alike, or hands they
like to call but very reluctant to 3 bet with.
compared with small PPs, small SCs have much better potentials postflop,
even you totally miss, you still have some chances to either c-bet to
represent other hands with your preflop aggressor image and based on reads,
or easily let it go. in this sense, i like pro, evelyn ng's thought (although
she's talking about small PPs). she said, after all, why we play small PPs? even
sometimes we know we're facing a strong hand. only because once we hit, small PPs
can hurt bad and do a lot of damages. with preflop action, we hide the real
strength of our hands, and confuse our opponents. a lot of players go crazy
or play stacks with you on "trashy and safe" flops such as 459 or 23Q with
their TPTK or overpair. the risk/reward ratio becomes so good if you have an
exit plan.
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: I guess it is either 3x or fold from UTG+1. I would probably fold my 67s,
: and regret for it during the whole session. Hats off to those who can
: honestly play 67s in this situations.
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 13 good to know this. will try tonight at the MiniFTOP event.
the
a
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, it's all about balancing your range.
: if you open 3x 67s most of time from UTG or EP, i'd say it's bad. but on the
: other hand, if we fold every time here, it's also bad since we're playing a
: "simpler" style and can be exploited easily.
: after all, preflop, the pot is relatively small, and we play 67s for its
: great implied odds against weak guys' AJo, TT, or 99 alike, or hands they
: like to call but very reluctant to 3 bet with.
: compared with small PPs, small SCs have much better potentials postflop,
: even you totally miss, you still have some chances to either c-bet to
: represent other hands with your preflop aggressor image and based on reads,
| l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 14 agreed with Fryking playing 67s has a potential to pay big. in fact in this
play, i was deceived by his UTG+1 3X bet and hence put him on tptk and did
not know i was way behind him. i thought i can either hit the straight to get
a big pay or bluff him off even if missing the draw but with flush showing. it did
not dawn me till he called my river raise that he had a 67s. in fact, i love
to play 67s,89s,9ts and small pps with 3x-4x bets. If i hit a straight or
flush, i can trap big money. Even if I do not hit, I can still C-bet to take
the pot most of the time as long as there is no high hands lurking.
Is not that the reason we all love Poker? the uncertainty and the instant
judgement on your decisions.... When I tell my big-shots friends I enjoy 7-
hour long online poker playing NL50, they all could not understand....... I
guess only my heart knows.
Now I remember in Las Vegas I played NL1000 game. limped in with 78s and
flopped 776, the other guy had 67h and small bet and turn a 8, river a 5 and
I got my first win of a $5k hand... I would take that night of poker over a
date with Natalie Portman......
Just curious what got you into poker: gambling, out of boredom, personality,
........ | s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 15 so you are the one who siting in LV poker room playing with stacks of $100
bills. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 oh "a date with Natalie Portman". I think it depends on what is on the menu after the date... lol.. | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 17 after reading all replies, I still don't get why the 67 guy didn't reraise
at river after thinking for a long time... did he really think QQ could
check river then just min-raise his small bet? he may not get a call but he
still should raise.
menu after the date... lol..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: oh "a date with Natalie Portman". I think it depends on what is on the menu after the date... lol..
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 river? i think he should have put in a re-raise on the flop. Or turn.. as played on the river it is definitely a reshove all in. a typical live fish obviously.
Routinely slow playing (trapping) with big hand is the biggest leak for most on-line micro-stake and live players.
he
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: after reading all replies, I still don't get why the 67 guy didn't reraise
: at river after thinking for a long time... did he really think QQ could
: check river then just min-raise his small bet? he may not get a call but he
: still should raise.
:
: menu after the date... lol..
| l*********l
发帖数: 15 | 19 haha, i guess that is respect for me. he told me afterwards that he was so
sure i won't call his allin so he did not bother to shovel on river. in fact
being the chip leader at that time, i probably will still call to confirm
my read so next time I won't make the same mistake. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 He is a fish. Confirmed.
afterwards that he was so sure i won't call his allin so he did not bother
to shovel on river.
【在 l*********l 的大作中提到】
: haha, i guess that is respect for me. he told me afterwards that he was so
: sure i won't call his allin so he did not bother to shovel on river. in fact
: being the chip leader at that time, i probably will still call to confirm
: my read so next time I won't make the same mistake.
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