T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 1 Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
question:
I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
full house.
I lost all my previous 10 days winning in one day. Lost $470 something.
Highlighted hand accounted for all the big pot I lost, they were most
responsible for my loss for the day.
Days like this is my biggest enemy. I seems totally unable to react to days
like this and it frustrates me to no end. The problem is I can dump all my
profit in one day and I can't way to stop it. It is not like I played
particularly bad.
So my question to you guys is: I guess you guys will have those days now and
then, how do you handle it. Are you going to stop playing right at the
first time the bad beat happens, or you just keep playing until you dig out
of the hole. Does that tilt you and affect play. What is the best way to
handle it? | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 2 in my opinion, roughly, the gross profit can be two parts:
by destination, by skill.
destination part,it can be win or lose,depends on whether the card is
against
you, or favor you. basically you can not do too much things about it.
It will be even to everybody, in a pretty long term (Talking about weeks,
months even for NL).but in the short time, you can running pretty hot, or
terribly bad.
For example,about your 600 proft in 10+ days,how much portion is by
densination?
probably 550$? and this will come back to you, cost you same amount,even in
a single day.
so the real profit, or the skill part, it can be very thin, and worse thing
is
it can be easily overwhelmed by destination part.
i would recommend,if 100 is your normal buy in,
Change to stop at 50+, stop at 40-
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 probably this:
http://mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31201101.html
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 That is not going to work. probably stops everyday in like 10 mins.. hehe..
2 buy in stop win/loss at least.. 3 buy in would be better.
Change to stop at 50+, stop at 40-
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: in my opinion, roughly, the gross profit can be two parts:
: by destination, by skill.
: destination part,it can be win or lose,depends on whether the card is
: against
: you, or favor you. basically you can not do too much things about it.
: It will be even to everybody, in a pretty long term (Talking about weeks,
: months even for NL).but in the short time, you can running pretty hot, or
: terribly bad.
: For example,about your 600 proft in 10+ days,how much portion is by
: densination?
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 5 but certainly would more than 1 hour...probably 3
..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: That is not going to work. probably stops everyday in like 10 mins.. hehe..
: 2 buy in stop win/loss at least.. 3 buy in would be better.
:
: Change to stop at 50+, stop at 40-
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 dude, relax, like i told u before, this small money is not going to change
our lives in any way. it's only for fun. well, i know, it's easier said than
done, hehe.
1) don't set daily goals like $50 or whatever, this will make you hesitant
in good situations or overplay in unfavorable ones. it's a meaningless goal
, even durrrr or any other pro can't guarantee they make XXXX every day. if
you have to have one to make yourself calm, try to set an even lower one,
like breaking even at least everyday("win" rakeback). again relax;
2) bad beats and coolers happen everyday, just now, my AA got cracked by
brave A7c (turned mid trips). so what? i now realize that i have many leaks
(even after playing for soooo long), they're the core problems, like 10BB
here or 7BB there, looks small but over a session, they could easily beat a
KK vs. AA hand loss;
3) we beat others a lot too, admit that, lol;
4) poker is a very tough game now with smaller player pool. we can't say we'
re better players now just because we have a hot week/month and $XXX (so
called result oriented), otherwise we'd lose a great opportunity to improve.
indeed, i feel holdem has such a lot for me to digest/analyze, no kidding
at all. for example, my A game is far more advanced than my B game (which
is like rush, too little time/patience to analyze). my C or tilt game, i can
say i barely have it anymore.
5) we're just avg. players, as dusty calls, trying to survive. there're still
so many things we routinely do wrong everyday and don't realize them.
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 7 一个小时的idea不错，一般我也只能打1小时的B+ game，不过前半小时可能还没状态。。
只有止赢，不如也设一个止损点。
不过，也许你第一天输1个buyin止损了，第2天还带着情绪打。。
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8 止赢不是一个好方法.我赢的时候,一般都会玩的好些.运气也好.你继续玩下去很可能还
要赢.连输的时候,肯定会tilt.其实你只是不察觉而已.设stop loss 可以减低你的
downswing. 可以停两三天,等不tilt 了再回来玩. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 Pat Pat.
You do all the stuff correct. If I were you, I probably lost 10-15 buyins on
that day.
I would recommend that you continue playing, maybe longer, such as 2 hours
per day.
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 FTP is so retarded. I gave up the idea I can make some meaningful money off
the site. unlike the guys on this board.
life has a lot more being enjoyed other than poker . I guess . hehe
on
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: Pat Pat.
: You do all the stuff correct. If I were you, I probably lost 10-15 buyins on
: that day.
: I would recommend that you continue playing, maybe longer, such as 2 hours
: per day.
:
: that
: hand.
: into
| | | g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 11 Pat, Pat...
Nothing we can do this and it happens sooner or later. Luck vs skill, we can
not control luck so have to improve our skill. See my recent bad luck in
FTP. I am ok with it, as long as my skill is there, I believe my luck will
get there as well.
Stay cool... | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 12 Those were really unlucky hands and you couldn't do much about it. I have
several other questions though:
1. your vpip/pfr is 12.2/7.4, and TWSD% is very high (33%) due to your tight
preflop action I guess. does this work at NL100 rush? windstormm obviously
plays much looser and more aggressive. I wonder if both styles still work at
this level.
2. with such low vpip/pfr, we expect to see low variance, right? has that
been the case for you? personally I only saw max of 2 buyins downswing (but
I only played around 20k hands) with vpip/pfr around 19/14. I feel I was a
bit weak and didn't fight for some pots enough. I probably should see a bit
wider swing for myself considering my vpip/pfr range. in your case, maybe
you should see a narrower swing and this 4.7BB downswing was just an
isolated event.
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| t*****s
发帖数: 1240 | 13 that's terrible running. hope you take a break and recover
that
hand.
into
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Fryking, Windstorm, goes, laodun and all high hand, just a little
: question:
: I play a lot less online poker in the new year. Every day, I made goal that
: win $50 dollars or play an hour, whichever comes first, then I will stop
: playing. I am doing so just to limit my playing hours.
: I was doing good for 10+ days and win like $600 only playing like 4700+ hand.
: Then a bad day finally came, see attachement.
: I seemed can do nothing right. KK always bump into AAs, full house bump into
: straight flush and flop K high flush only get drew out by runner runner
: full house.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 honestly, i didn't make much $ at all since last nov. or so called downswing
. i was pretty frustrated at one time since i believed my game improved by a
lot.
but guess what? now i feel much relaxed because winning is no longer a "must
" or strong goal for me. having a lame month is a great break in a way. in
another word, i don't push myself any more and now treat my leaks more
seriously.
for soooo long, i've played such a fixed or "standard" game, and believed my
game is above avg. or, i actually blind myself from diversifying my plays
and learning new moves.
poker is all about beating the long term with huge volume of hands.
can
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Pat, Pat...
: Nothing we can do this and it happens sooner or later. Luck vs skill, we can
: not control luck so have to improve our skill. See my recent bad luck in
: FTP. I am ok with it, as long as my skill is there, I believe my luck will
: get there as well.
: Stay cool...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 i know it's something old, but in times like this, bankroll management is
key to survival.
if we play with, say, $10K roll, a bad day may cost you $500 but it feels
much better than if we only have about $2K (and $500 was from running good
last week). a lot of times you'd inevitablly be affected by such "bad" luck
and feel bad about the money "was in my pocket" or a "tv" which is now gone.
it's indeed a business, losing 5% of our cash reserve in one day is like a
bad quarter for a company, but nothing too big. you make $200 back next day,
lose $500 again, then win $800, ... it's up and down, but overall still
healthy.
also, like dusty and many pros suggest, do NOT look at the cashier. if you
have a bad day and know you lose some money, log out and do something else.
by looking at your sadly smaller balance would only do more mental damages
to you, either tilting or frustrated about poker (losing confidence). you
may hang over losses instead of reviewing other X hands where you have room
for improvements. losing 5 buy-ins is normal, but cutting down the other "
small" 3 buy-ins (due to tilting or routine leaks) is chance.
tight
obviously
at
but
bit
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: Those were really unlucky hands and you couldn't do much about it. I have
: several other questions though:
: 1. your vpip/pfr is 12.2/7.4, and TWSD% is very high (33%) due to your tight
: preflop action I guess. does this work at NL100 rush? windstormm obviously
: plays much looser and more aggressive. I wonder if both styles still work at
: this level.
: 2. with such low vpip/pfr, we expect to see low variance, right? has that
: been the case for you? personally I only saw max of 2 buyins downswing (but
: I only played around 20k hands) with vpip/pfr around 19/14. I feel I was a
: bit weak and didn't fight for some pots enough. I probably should see a bit
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 16 I am willing to stop eating for three days to get your results.
Oh, it happened to me just last month. First 10 days I won over $2200 by
playing single table. I was not neccessorily just lucky, actually my EV adj
won was close to $2600 at that time.
Then, inevitably, f**king Ftp decided to take my winnings away. By the end
of month, my winning decreased to $800, while EV adj won was still close to
$2000.
I remember I post one pic on this board before. hehe.
can
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Pat, Pat...
: Nothing we can do this and it happens sooner or later. Luck vs skill, we can
: not control luck so have to improve our skill. See my recent bad luck in
: FTP. I am ok with it, as long as my skill is there, I believe my luck will
: get there as well.
: Stay cool...
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 17 If I remember correctly, windstormm started by playing tight as well. I
think his EV was close to 12/8 or sth like that, correct me if I am wrong,
windstorm.
I think he plays a lot more aggressive because he was winning a lot of money
and on one hand, give him a lot of confidence to make moves, and the other,
like Fryking says, a big bankroll backs him up and he can withstand any
kind of downswing without effect his mood too much. So it is more money,
more confidence, more confidence result in more money. A good cycle to be
with.
I have a much smaller roll. I didn't win a lot money either, so far my
lifetime win is 2.28 bb /100, and I didn't play a lot of hands either
because I am single tabler. Every month I withdraw most of my winning (if
any at all) out of ftp, just make sure I don't burn them when sh*t like
above happens and I tilt all my money away.
Overall, I still think you have to play tight to survive in rush. Of course,
in NL100, there will be a lot of guys make moves to fight for the pot,
sometimes even crazy moves (just ask for windstorm or goes and they will
give you a lecture on this). But ppl there just don't bet very light very
often. Rarely you see those guy make moves with 35 off suite.
A lot nit playing there. On my hud, sometime there are 6,8 guys with 12/8 or
smaller vpip/pfr ratio there. Guy with 20/10, 24/15 are becoming less and
less because they simple can't survive with full of nit attack them with
quality hands. I can 3-bet loose guys with any type of card in position, and
I have to think a couple time if I should 3-bet a 8/7 guy with JJs. my 2
cents.
tight
obviously
at
but
bit
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: Those were really unlucky hands and you couldn't do much about it. I have
: several other questions though:
: 1. your vpip/pfr is 12.2/7.4, and TWSD% is very high (33%) due to your tight
: preflop action I guess. does this work at NL100 rush? windstormm obviously
: plays much looser and more aggressive. I wonder if both styles still work at
: this level.
: 2. with such low vpip/pfr, we expect to see low variance, right? has that
: been the case for you? personally I only saw max of 2 buyins downswing (but
: I only played around 20k hands) with vpip/pfr around 19/14. I feel I was a
: bit weak and didn't fight for some pots enough. I probably should see a bit
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 I use to play 12 8 through NL50 and some period of time on NL100. I think
it is ok at NL50 with that stats because there are so many fish that will
pay you off. Even with that stats i think 5bb/100 hand win rate is doable.
But it is not going to work at NL100 because everyone knows you are a nit
and your range is capped. Now i play a stardard tag style 15 11. I open a
lot more suited connectors, A suited etc even at early position. At CO and
button i open a lot wider. It has done me a lot of good. Since I changed my
style at the beginning of last December, I have opened up my game A LOT and
it has helped with my win rate.
money
other,
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: If I remember correctly, windstormm started by playing tight as well. I
: think his EV was close to 12/8 or sth like that, correct me if I am wrong,
: windstorm.
: I think he plays a lot more aggressive because he was winning a lot of money
: and on one hand, give him a lot of confidence to make moves, and the other,
: like Fryking says, a big bankroll backs him up and he can withstand any
: kind of downswing without effect his mood too much. So it is more money,
: more confidence, more confidence result in more money. A good cycle to be
: with.
: I have a much smaller roll. I didn't win a lot money either, so far my
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 In terms of opening range, I think any vpip can make you money, but you will make money differently with different vpip. You play 12 8, you HAVE TO pot control with over pair tptk. 24 23? You can probably take a whole stack with TPGK (of course your agro factor matters too but still). So knowing your image and how to play with your stats is the real science. When you are at NL100 or above, i think it is very important to start thinking about this to have a good profit. But at NL50? You can probably rack up a lot of profit by playing tight and busting fishes.
a
and
my
and
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I use to play 12 8 through NL50 and some period of time on NL100. I think
: it is ok at NL50 with that stats because there are so many fish that will
: pay you off. Even with that stats i think 5bb/100 hand win rate is doable.
: But it is not going to work at NL100 because everyone knows you are a nit
: and your range is capped. Now i play a stardard tag style 15 11. I open a
: lot more suited connectors, A suited etc even at early position. At CO and
: button i open a lot wider. It has done me a lot of good. Since I changed my
: style at the beginning of last December, I have opened up my game A LOT and
: it has helped with my win rate.
:
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 dude, "f**king Ftp decided to take my winnings away", no, they don't do this
. nobody (let him be a pro or fish) builds or loses most of their winnings
from AA vs. KK or other coolers.
the earlier we can get rid of this idea, the sooner we can face/fix our
leaks, indeed.
and, don't single table rush, it's a waste of energy and potential good
rakeback. if you feel 2 100NL are too intensive for you, come down to join me
with 2-3 50NL tables.
adj
to
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I am willing to stop eating for three days to get your results.
: Oh, it happened to me just last month. First 10 days I won over $2200 by
: playing single table. I was not neccessorily just lucky, actually my EV adj
: won was close to $2600 at that time.
: Then, inevitably, f**king Ftp decided to take my winnings away. By the end
: of month, my winning decreased to $800, while EV adj won was still close to
: $2000.
: I remember I post one pic on this board before. hehe.
:
: can
| | | L****n
发帖数: 490 | 21 actually not being able to fold KK preflop is also a leak. Quoted by coach
from Cardrunners.
"Some players are willing to fold KK preflop for 100BB's in FR Rush games,
while others go with it every time even with a lot of aggression in front of
them and just chalk it up to a cooler if someone has AA.
Yeah these guys aren't solid winners. If you can't fold KK pre-flop at a
table full of 12/8's, then you're just following poker adages and not
actively thinking about ranges."
Pretty good read. http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/citizenwind | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 agree, although it's very situational.
although AA vs. KK happens 1% overall and KK still have 20% equity, still,
for tight tables or multi-way, KK don't win often enough to cover 100BB, or
at best, not an EV++ play.
that citizenwind guy is interesting though, after last time MM told me he's
a coach and i lost a set over set over set hand, i played quite some more
hands with him and adjusted my strategy. i like him as "a thinking player",
LOL, because he appears to be strong sometimes while easily gives up when
meeting resistance or if you don't play the "standard" way.
of
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: actually not being able to fold KK preflop is also a leak. Quoted by coach
: from Cardrunners.
: "Some players are willing to fold KK preflop for 100BB's in FR Rush games,
: while others go with it every time even with a lot of aggression in front of
: them and just chalk it up to a cooler if someone has AA.
: Yeah these guys aren't solid winners. If you can't fold KK pre-flop at a
: table full of 12/8's, then you're just following poker adages and not
: actively thinking about ranges."
: Pretty good read. http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/citizenwind
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 ***tizen*** is nit~~ he likes to flat AA KK preflop. I have seen him doing this several times. Now my question is what he is 3 betting with preflop then with a 3.5% 3 bet then? 4 bet bluff him a bit should not be too bad an idea preflop especially if he thinks folding KK preflop is a good idea. But I highly doubt that he fold KK preflop very oftn. I have seen him 5 bet shove KK vs cold 4 bet even. What a liar~~~
But that is a hot hot graph he posted for his recent NL100 rush game. | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 24 Are you mainly on rush or regular table?
From what people describe, if you want to make serious money without
grinding too much, 6max or headsup is the only way since there're no
fullring tables at bigger stakes. but then i guess the field is really tough
and you have to have good mentality as well.
adj
to
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I am willing to stop eating for three days to get your results.
: Oh, it happened to me just last month. First 10 days I won over $2200 by
: playing single table. I was not neccessorily just lucky, actually my EV adj
: won was close to $2600 at that time.
: Then, inevitably, f**king Ftp decided to take my winnings away. By the end
: of month, my winning decreased to $800, while EV adj won was still close to
: $2000.
: I remember I post one pic on this board before. hehe.
:
: can
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 25 Gosh I guess I'm too loose with 19/14 then.. I thought I was tight enough..
I actually analyzed why I got this stat. I raise a lot more often on CO and
button, I remember around 35% on button. So sometimes I do see blinds
playing back at me and I am wondering if I should raise less or call 3bet
more. I've been trying folding more for now.
And I think the gap between vpip and pfr is ok. When you cold call a raise,
it's recorded as vpip but not pfr. Most of my gaps are from blinds or late
positions. So I either call raise from blinds to make the pot small, or call
in position and conceal my strength (AK, pocket pairs, etc.). Of course I
can't always fold or 3bet in those situations. So I call.
Then it's kind of interesting to see why some players have the same vpip and
pfr stat. They probably will fold blinds a lot so we can steal them? And
they don't flat big hands? But it could also be the case that I haven't seen
enough hands.
a
and
my
and
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I use to play 12 8 through NL50 and some period of time on NL100. I think
: it is ok at NL50 with that stats because there are so many fish that will
: pay you off. Even with that stats i think 5bb/100 hand win rate is doable.
: But it is not going to work at NL100 because everyone knows you are a nit
: and your range is capped. Now i play a stardard tag style 15 11. I open a
: lot more suited connectors, A suited etc even at early position. At CO and
: button i open a lot wider. It has done me a lot of good. Since I changed my
: style at the beginning of last December, I have opened up my game A LOT and
: it has helped with my win rate.
:
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 26 why not single table rush? care to explain? thanks. Also what does these
number like "19/16", "12/8" you all use? Is it VPIP/PFR number?
join me
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: agree, although it's very situational.
: although AA vs. KK happens 1% overall and KK still have 20% equity, still,
: for tight tables or multi-way, KK don't win often enough to cover 100BB, or
: at best, not an EV++ play.
: that citizenwind guy is interesting though, after last time MM told me he's
: a coach and i lost a set over set over set hand, i played quite some more
: hands with him and adjusted my strategy. i like him as "a thinking player",
: LOL, because he appears to be strong sometimes while easily gives up when
: meeting resistance or if you don't play the "standard" way.
:
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 27 Definitely gonna watch more training video and do hand review for sure.
However, in this case, the problem is not about skill improving, it is a
never ending process anyway. This case is about the bankroll control and
management, I feel you are right on on that one in your previous case. It is
my biggest problem and I still have to fight hard to beat it.
I am actually pretty happy with my current process in term of leak fixing.
Since I adopt my current playing style, my EV line is consistently above
actual winning, way above in some cases. The area I am struggling is to find
ideal winning and stop/loss ratio, like I always do in stock investing.
That part I need to figure out.
this
me
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: dude, "f**king Ftp decided to take my winnings away", no, they don't do this
: . nobody (let him be a pro or fish) builds or loses most of their winnings
: from AA vs. KK or other coolers.
: the earlier we can get rid of this idea, the sooner we can face/fix our
: leaks, indeed.
: and, don't single table rush, it's a waste of energy and potential good
: rakeback. if you feel 2 100NL are too intensive for you, come down to join me
: with 2-3 50NL tables.
:
: adj
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 28 I stictly follow Harrington's advice, never ever fold KK pre-flop, you fold
wrong more than you fold it right.
Especially in Rush NL100, a lot more light 3-bets and those guys with 3.4% 3
-bet range, indicating so many Ak, AQ added to the range, it is hard to
laydown KK preflop.
I will only consider to laydown KKs, in case : 1) both guys' stack are
exceptionally deep, 200bb+ or 2) the guys 3-bet range is 1.7% or less. In my
example above, none of them applies, so I shoved. LOL
of
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: actually not being able to fold KK preflop is also a leak. Quoted by coach
: from Cardrunners.
: "Some players are willing to fold KK preflop for 100BB's in FR Rush games,
: while others go with it every time even with a lot of aggression in front of
: them and just chalk it up to a cooler if someone has AA.
: Yeah these guys aren't solid winners. If you can't fold KK pre-flop at a
: table full of 12/8's, then you're just following poker adages and not
: actively thinking about ranges."
: Pretty good read. http://www.cardrunners.com/blog/citizenwind
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 29 不急不急，Jungleman12说得好，忘记短期的痛。
螺旋式上升，上升就好，呵呵。
is
find
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Definitely gonna watch more training video and do hand review for sure.
: However, in this case, the problem is not about skill improving, it is a
: never ending process anyway. This case is about the bankroll control and
: management, I feel you are right on on that one in your previous case. It is
: my biggest problem and I still have to fight hard to beat it.
: I am actually pretty happy with my current process in term of leak fixing.
: Since I adopt my current playing style, my EV line is consistently above
: actual winning, way above in some cases. The area I am struggling is to find
: ideal winning and stop/loss ratio, like I always do in stock investing.
: That part I need to figure out.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 如果你真是打算一天$50就拉倒，真的劝你来50NL吧，2-3 tables，一样的投资在桌子
上，容易多了。
点数，rakeback可能还得的多些。
fold
3
my
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I stictly follow Harrington's advice, never ever fold KK pre-flop, you fold
: wrong more than you fold it right.
: Especially in Rush NL100, a lot more light 3-bets and those guys with 3.4% 3
: -bet range, indicating so many Ak, AQ added to the range, it is hard to
: laydown KK preflop.
: I will only consider to laydown KKs, in case : 1) both guys' stack are
: exceptionally deep, 200bb+ or 2) the guys 3-bet range is 1.7% or less. In my
: example above, none of them applies, so I shoved. LOL
:
: of
| | | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 31 I am single tabling NL50 right now.
Still not figure out how to play multi-table rush, it is so fast and I can
think over hands and take care 2-3 table at the same time.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 如果你真是打算一天$50就拉倒，真的劝你来50NL吧，2-3 tables，一样的投资在桌子
: 上，容易多了。
: 点数，rakeback可能还得的多些。
:
: fold
: 3
: my
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 32 NL50 is definitely easier. Your value hands get paid more often. Easier to
push them out of pot. The difference probably is 2-3bb/100. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 this is because most of NL50 players are lack of basic hand reading
abilities.
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: NL50 is definitely easier. Your value hands get paid more often. Easier to
: push them out of pot. The difference probably is 2-3bb/100.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 true.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: this is because most of NL50 players are lack of basic hand reading
: abilities.
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 35 At this level, when people min-raise your cbet, do they usually hit a big
hand or just bluff?
We're supposed to respect min-raise but I doubt they're really stronger than
a typical 2.5x raise.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: this is because most of NL50 players are lack of basic hand reading
: abilities.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 36
fold
3
my
I only lay down once in rush for KK, and it was a "bad laydown" since I
was against QQ. The reason I made the laydown is both of us are too deep(
both with 800+).
Not a bad play to go KK with 100BB deep, but for 200BB, laydown down BB
preflop is not bad after 4-5betting against a shove. Think from the appoach
of risk/reward, not just hand reading/pot odd.
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: I stictly follow Harrington's advice, never ever fold KK pre-flop, you fold
: wrong more than you fold it right.
: Especially in Rush NL100, a lot more light 3-bets and those guys with 3.4% 3
: -bet range, indicating so many Ak, AQ added to the range, it is hard to
: laydown KK preflop.
: I will only consider to laydown KKs, in case : 1) both guys' stack are
: exceptionally deep, 200bb+ or 2) the guys 3-bet range is 1.7% or less. In my
: example above, none of them applies, so I shoved. LOL
:
: of
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