f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 got AJo in late position... a few limpers.
flop: A32 rainbow.
BB (normal guy, not too tight nor loose) bet $15, all folded to me, i called.
turn: A
BB bet $30, i called.
river: 2
BB went all in ($135), what should i do? | I**n
发帖数: 839 | 2 ?
called.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: got AJo in late position... a few limpers.
: flop: A32 rainbow.
: BB (normal guy, not too tight nor loose) bet $15, all folded to me, i called.
: turn: A
: BB bet $30, i called.
: river: 2
: BB went all in ($135), what should i do?
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 3 you only lose to A3 or 22, still, the the all in bet is just too large.
If you know he likes betting nuts this way, you should probably fold,
cause the pay-off isn't very good, most likely you split the pot.
However, against most players, you should probably call, cause most
are not very deep, when they hold ace high, they think they have
the nuts.
called.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: got AJo in late position... a few limpers.
: flop: A32 rainbow.
: BB (normal guy, not too tight nor loose) bet $15, all folded to me, i called.
: turn: A
: BB bet $30, i called.
: river: 2
: BB went all in ($135), what should i do?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 en? what's not clear?
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: ?
:
: called.
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 5 If you cannot call all in like this, what's the point to play(call) AJ anyway? It's a no brainer for me.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: en? what's not clear?
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 6 when an all in is more than two pots and opp is very solid, you should
seriously
consider folding here. In this situation, it's still a call, cause
the all in bet is slightly more than a pot.
anyway? It's a no brainer for me.
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: If you cannot call all in like this, what's the point to play(call) AJ anyway? It's a no brainer for me.
| m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 7 you shouldn't put yourself on this situation.
1. late position you should raise A J bf flop,
2. flop you should raise your top pair ok kikcer to test his kicker
3. turn you should raise your top pair ok kicker to test his hand.
4. river I will lay down, just not worth it obviously he know you have A too
, so either he had full house or Q or K kicer slow play bf flop. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 yeah, there was some problem in my play.
1. but i don't think a small-medium pre-flop raise (maybe $10?) would make a
difference or give me much more info;
2. yes, i should raise to $30 here to test, most likely he would call to
keep me in and slow play;
3. he would do the same thing here, bet $30, i guess;
4. i should have folded due to the odds ... i put too much attention on the
flop for a possible made straight (45) and somehow sensed he's drawing me
into something ... my mind was not clear
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: you shouldn't put yourself on this situation.
: 1. late position you should raise A J bf flop,
: 2. flop you should raise your top pair ok kikcer to test his kicker
: 3. turn you should raise your top pair ok kicker to test his hand.
: 4. river I will lay down, just not worth it obviously he know you have A too
: , so either he had full house or Q or K kicer slow play bf flop.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 yeah, i made a mistake without more thoughts, lesson learned though.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: when an all in is more than two pots and opp is very solid, you should
: seriously
: consider folding here. In this situation, it's still a call, cause
: the all in bet is slightly more than a pot.
:
: anyway? It's a no brainer for me.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 10 no matter how a player plays, he still may hit nuts and let you pay. hehe.
Actually those are different situations, in this case, you called two bets,
and he could place you on an ace, thus with nuts, he would just push
all in. Also, against loose players, he may overplay his top pair
, but against you, he doesn't have to play the same way. I play my
top pair top kicker hands against loose callers very aggressively and
stack them frequently, however, against solid players, you don't want to
get
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: yeah, there was some problem in my play.
: 1. but i don't think a small-medium pre-flop raise (maybe $10?) would make a
: difference or give me much more info;
: 2. yes, i should raise to $30 here to test, most likely he would call to
: keep me in and slow play;
: 3. he would do the same thing here, bet $30, i guess;
: 4. i should have folded due to the odds ... i put too much attention on the
: flop for a possible made straight (45) and somehow sensed he's drawing me
: into something ... my mind was not clear
| | | I**n
发帖数: 839 | 11 exactly. You got no information out of calling. Also you got a good river which counters K or Q. There is no way out. Got to pay.
too
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: you shouldn't put yourself on this situation.
: 1. late position you should raise A J bf flop,
: 2. flop you should raise your top pair ok kikcer to test his kicker
: 3. turn you should raise your top pair ok kicker to test his hand.
: 4. river I will lay down, just not worth it obviously he know you have A too
: , so either he had full house or Q or K kicer slow play bf flop.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 yeah, in his eyes, i got no secret at all, Ax and x was not very good......
yet i had limited info about his hand.
that's a stupid move for me, guess that A on the turn was too seductive to
me, sigh...
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: no matter how a player plays, he still may hit nuts and let you pay. hehe.
: Actually those are different situations, in this case, you called two bets,
: and he could place you on an ace, thus with nuts, he would just push
: all in. Also, against loose players, he may overplay his top pair
: , but against you, he doesn't have to play the same way. I play my
: top pair top kicker hands against loose callers very aggressively and
: stack them frequently, however, against solid players, you don't want to
: get
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 13 actually I don't really think you misplayed much. Two calls were sometimes
ok, especially when you frequently do it with monsters. His stack is just
not deep enough. If you really
like raising, you may provide them another edge, they'd know you would
raise with good but not great hands and reraise you out of the pot, which
can also be very expensive. For example, suppose you raised the turn
, and got reraised back, now you may read he has a nut and would fold,
however, you still may hit a river
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: yeah, in his eyes, i got no secret at all, Ax and x was not very good......
: yet i had limited info about his hand.
: that's a stupid move for me, guess that A on the turn was too seductive to
: me, sigh...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 interesting, i have some similar thoughts too, thanks for the detailed
description!
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: actually I don't really think you misplayed much. Two calls were sometimes
: ok, especially when you frequently do it with monsters. His stack is just
: not deep enough. If you really
: like raising, you may provide them another edge, they'd know you would
: raise with good but not great hands and reraise you out of the pot, which
: can also be very expensive. For example, suppose you raised the turn
: , and got reraised back, now you may read he has a nut and would fold,
: however, you still may hit a river
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 15 what are you afraid of? quad 2s? I'll call.
called.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: got AJo in late position... a few limpers.
: flop: A32 rainbow.
: BB (normal guy, not too tight nor loose) bet $15, all folded to me, i called.
: turn: A
: BB bet $30, i called.
: river: 2
: BB went all in ($135), what should i do?
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 16 well said
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: actually I don't really think you misplayed much. Two calls were sometimes
: ok, especially when you frequently do it with monsters. His stack is just
: not deep enough. If you really
: like raising, you may provide them another edge, they'd know you would
: raise with good but not great hands and reraise you out of the pot, which
: can also be very expensive. For example, suppose you raised the turn
: , and got reraised back, now you may read he has a nut and would fold,
: however, you still may hit a river
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 sigh, i gave it more thoughts and now i feel i made a really stupid move,
not the worst one i ever played, but close, hehe.
with a board A32-A-2, what're the hell my winning chances?
1) he's bluffing/semi-bluffing all the way? he's image was normal;
2) he got a straight on flop? no way he would bet like this;
3) he got Ax and didn't think i got an A too? it's a chop at best, why would
i risk for it?
4) A2? no good at all, he knew i got A;
5) he got 33? no way he would go all-in on river;
6) he g
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: what are you afraid of? quad 2s? I'll call.
:
: called.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 18 he still may have AK, AQ, AJ, AT and thought he had a great hand on turn,
and close to nut on river. Those are the more likely cases for you to
chop up with him. There are also some chances that he holds 33 and roots for
a fold by you. So I don't really think your call was that bad. You ev isn't
high though. That's why you can probably fold the turn if you think he's a
rock, cause his turn bet is rather big, if he has a set hand, you don't have
a lot of outs against him and you still may lose a
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: sigh, i gave it more thoughts and now i feel i made a really stupid move,
: not the worst one i ever played, but close, hehe.
: with a board A32-A-2, what're the hell my winning chances?
: 1) he's bluffing/semi-bluffing all the way? he's image was normal;
: 2) he got a straight on flop? no way he would bet like this;
: 3) he got Ax and didn't think i got an A too? it's a chop at best, why would
: i risk for it?
: 4) A2? no good at all, he knew i got A;
: 5) he got 33? no way he would go all-in on river;
: 6) he g
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 thanks a lot, good analysis, i need to adjust my play and take more time on
the turn ...
for
t
have
river
on
win
ridiculous
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: he still may have AK, AQ, AJ, AT and thought he had a great hand on turn,
: and close to nut on river. Those are the more likely cases for you to
: chop up with him. There are also some chances that he holds 33 and roots for
: a fold by you. So I don't really think your call was that bad. You ev isn't
: high though. That's why you can probably fold the turn if you think he's a
: rock, cause his turn bet is rather big, if he has a set hand, you don't have
: a lot of outs against him and you still may lose a
| I**n
发帖数: 839 | 20 No offense. But I think you guys make too big deal of one hand. It's very
unlikely you have A3, so as your opponent I will go all in with Ax. The first to act has the best of the position now.
By the way, you cannot be afraid of nuts all the time. | | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 hehe, i know what you're talking about.
but i have to say this hand was really my mistake, not hard to see at all,
and risk/return rate was too bad.
first to act has the best of the position now.
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: No offense. But I think you guys make too big deal of one hand. It's very
: unlikely you have A3, so as your opponent I will go all in with Ax. The first to act has the best of the position now.
: By the way, you cannot be afraid of nuts all the time.
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 22 感觉turn上raise最好。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, i know what you're talking about.
: but i have to say this hand was really my mistake, not hard to see at all,
: and risk/return rate was too bad.
:
: first to act has the best of the position now.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 是，+30看看强硬程度，那小子的脾气俺看是肯定会all-in的，俺忍痛撤掉就是了，损
失15+60而已，比后面还是小不少。
他的牌风bluff or semi-bluff的可能性不大，尤其是跟俺，他一直比较谨慎，前面让
俺搞过他和别人。
打牌先对人后对牌，这把牌俺掌握得很不好，输的其实并不算多，但是教训得总结。
【在 p*t 的大作中提到】
: 感觉turn上raise最好。
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