z*****4
发帖数: 271 | 1 刚看到新闻说休斯敦CYPRESS FALL HIGH SCHOOL的一个华裔小姑娘入选了美国生物奥赛
国家队，还是学校网球队长，然后搜了下这个学校，西裔学生过半，数据普普通通的学
校而已。看来以后不必纠结以后孩子学区的问题了，给孩子提供一个鹤立鸡群的环境中
也不错。
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cypresscreek/living/cypress-fall |
L*1
发帖数: 11537 | |
P*A
发帖数: 7996 | 3 要是别人的孩子，俺也乐于试一下
【在 z*****4 的大作中提到】
: 刚看到新闻说休斯敦CYPRESS FALL HIGH SCHOOL的一个华裔小姑娘入选了美国生物奥赛
: 国家队，还是学校网球队长，然后搜了下这个学校，西裔学生过半，数据普普通通的学
: 校而已。看来以后不必纠结以后孩子学区的问题了，给孩子提供一个鹤立鸡群的环境中
: 也不错。
: http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cypresscreek/living/cypress-fall
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c*****g
发帖数: 3871 | 4 这个,... 有的孩子还真是在鹤立鸡群的环境下比较自信，发展的比较好，有的孩子随
大环境
就像鄙人，高中在一个普通学校，学习特带劲，等大学去了一个好点的，周围都是学霸
，而且都是超级霸王的那种，拼了1年太吃力，慢慢就对学习厌恶了
【在 P*A 的大作中提到】
: 要是别人的孩子，俺也乐于试一下
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n***y
发帖数: 15001 | 5 学霸飘过.....
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: 这个,... 有的孩子还真是在鹤立鸡群的环境下比较自信，发展的比较好，有的孩子随
: 大环境
: 就像鄙人，高中在一个普通学校，学习特带劲，等大学去了一个好点的，周围都是学霸
: ，而且都是超级霸王的那种，拼了1年太吃力，慢慢就对学习厌恶了
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a******o
发帖数: 261 | 6 at a high level, i understand the strategy of being a standout at a lesser
school for getting better odds of attending a good college.
but this example LZ brought up is pretty lame - given her talent level, it's
irrelevant which school she goes to as she would've stand out at any school
. if anything, the lesson should be "how was she able to stand out in spite
of (not b/c of) her surroundings."
to me, getting into a good college by itself is not an end goal - do well in
college and be successful in life is.
sooner or later the kids will face REAL competition and be challenged - the
question is, do you want that to happen in High School, or college.
Personally i'd rather my kids face competition in HS where i still have the
opportunity to nurture and guide them.
【在 z*****4 的大作中提到】
: 刚看到新闻说休斯敦CYPRESS FALL HIGH SCHOOL的一个华裔小姑娘入选了美国生物奥赛
: 国家队，还是学校网球队长，然后搜了下这个学校，西裔学生过半，数据普普通通的学
: 校而已。看来以后不必纠结以后孩子学区的问题了，给孩子提供一个鹤立鸡群的环境中
: 也不错。
: http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cypresscreek/living/cypress-fall
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m*********g
发帖数: 10735 | 7 re这个
lz列举的那些根本不能算成才的表现，顶多算是家长拿出去炫耀的素材
's
school
spite
in
the
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: at a high level, i understand the strategy of being a standout at a lesser
: school for getting better odds of attending a good college.
: but this example LZ brought up is pretty lame - given her talent level, it's
: irrelevant which school she goes to as she would've stand out at any school
: . if anything, the lesson should be "how was she able to stand out in spite
: of (not b/c of) her surroundings."
: to me, getting into a good college by itself is not an end goal - do well in
: college and be successful in life is.
: sooner or later the kids will face REAL competition and be challenged - the
: question is, do you want that to happen in High School, or college.
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r********9
发帖数: 18394 | |
a******o
发帖数: 261 | 9 for what she has accomplished so far (i.e., 美国生物奥赛国家队, etc.) it is
very special.
all credit goes to her and her parents as college admission do pay attention
to that stuff.
and whether that implies she will be successful in life is not what i want
to debate here - but attending a lesser school is the wrong take away b/c as
i said, she would've stand out at any school.
【在 m*********g 的大作中提到】
: re这个
: lz列举的那些根本不能算成才的表现，顶多算是家长拿出去炫耀的素材
:
: 's
: school
: spite
: in
: the
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z*****4
发帖数: 271 | 10 握个手
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: 这个,... 有的孩子还真是在鹤立鸡群的环境下比较自信，发展的比较好，有的孩子随
: 大环境
: 就像鄙人，高中在一个普通学校，学习特带劲，等大学去了一个好点的，周围都是学霸
: ，而且都是超级霸王的那种，拼了1年太吃力，慢慢就对学习厌恶了
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c*****g
发帖数: 3871 | 11 大学的时候背单词到12点，最后一个睡，想想应该差不多了吧，结果还没睡着，同寝的
开始说梦话，梦话都是英文的，我试着去问他，居然还有回答，... 当时就绝望了 ，
说起来都是泪啊
【在 z*****4 的大作中提到】
: 握个手
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C******y
发帖数: 2007 | 12 不好说，有的人容易受环境影响，青春期的人都比较敏感，如果在一个以爱学习为耻的
环境下，你确定你的孩子能在其中脱颖而出？
【在 z*****4 的大作中提到】
: 刚看到新闻说休斯敦CYPRESS FALL HIGH SCHOOL的一个华裔小姑娘入选了美国生物奥赛
: 国家队，还是学校网球队长，然后搜了下这个学校，西裔学生过半，数据普普通通的学
: 校而已。看来以后不必纠结以后孩子学区的问题了，给孩子提供一个鹤立鸡群的环境中
: 也不错。
: http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cypresscreek/living/cypress-fall
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t********r
发帖数: 4908 | 13 非常同意
is
attention
as
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: for what she has accomplished so far (i.e., 美国生物奥赛国家队, etc.) it is
: very special.
: all credit goes to her and her parents as college admission do pay attention
: to that stuff.
: and whether that implies she will be successful in life is not what i want
: to debate here - but attending a lesser school is the wrong take away b/c as
: i said, she would've stand out at any school.
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y******n
发帖数: 13 | |
y******n
发帖数: 13 | 15 人生不同阶段有不同的目标。高中毕业时大部份人的目标是能上一个心仪的大学。
中国家长对此尤其重视。
在中国的高考制度下，进一个好的高中会对提高高考分数有所帮助。整体来讲，好
高中里的老师对高考重点的掌握与剖析比一般学校的水准会高一些。在好高中里即
使和其它尖子比你很差也没关系。因为最终的竞争对手是全体参加高考的学生。通
过进好高中提高了高考分数，你就赚到了。所以在中国打破头去挤好高中可以理解。
在美国不是一考定音。进好大学的竞争很大一部份来自高中校内。如果小孩能力还
不足以和顶尖高手竞争，进了顶尖高手云集的学校不会对他的大学录取有帮助。今
年Clements High School两个横扫牛校的MM就把其他好学生的机会消减了不少。如
果一个学校有五六个这样的顶尖高手，一些有实力进牛校的高手大概也没机会了。
有人说小孩到了大学会有更强的竞争，宁愿让小孩从高中起就习惯竞争，而且在高
中时还能对小孩进行指导。 但大学和中学的竞争是有所不同的。大学毕业时目标是
找份好工作。大家找工作的目标并不像高中报牛校那样集中，同学间并不存在实际
上的竞争。在好大学里即使学不过顶尖高手，只要有过得去的成绩，并不影响毕业
时实现目标。而在高中输了竞争的代价就是不能去想去的大学了。 再说所谓竞争也
不光是学业上的竞争。社团活动，体育竞赛都有竞争。在这一点上好高中和一般高
中没太大区别。
所以我觉得，对于同一地区的公立学校，没有必要追逐顶尖高中。只要孩子能力还
不错，在一个环境良好的高中健康发展，能上牛校的机会不比在顶尖高中差，很可
能机会会更好。
's
school
spite
in
the
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: at a high level, i understand the strategy of being a standout at a lesser
: school for getting better odds of attending a good college.
: but this example LZ brought up is pretty lame - given her talent level, it's
: irrelevant which school she goes to as she would've stand out at any school
: . if anything, the lesson should be "how was she able to stand out in spite
: of (not b/c of) her surroundings."
: to me, getting into a good college by itself is not an end goal - do well in
: college and be successful in life is.
: sooner or later the kids will face REAL competition and be challenged - the
: question is, do you want that to happen in High School, or college.
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a******o
发帖数: 261 | 16 valid points. Good discussion.
let me clarify my points further:
it's my view that this strategy is mostly used for getting into a good state
school based on its in-state quota - so here in texas, for UT austin it's
the top 7% - you have a better chance of being in the top 7% at a lesser
school than a nationally ranked one. so if you are determined that you kids
will go to one of these schools only, this could work (although i'd still
say once you get into one that's where the competition that matters begin,
more on the below.)
my view is this strategy doesn't work if you and your kids have sights on,
say, ivy league schools, where the competition is national and consistent w/
the chinese 高中 system as you mentioned below. these admission offices do
take into consideration of the "difficulty" level of the HS so just by being
a valedictorian of a lesser HS is simply not enough. If anything, being a
big fish in a lesser pool could potentially hurt the kid's chances as it
didn't really "prove" anything, as far as Ivy league admission office is
concerned.
i offer myself as an example: i came here for HS and my HS GPA was 2.75 (yes
i skipped a LOT of classes - a school record i believe to this date). but
it was a nationally ranked HS - on the strength of that and my AP scores i
was able to get into a decent state college. Had I went to a lesser school,
i would've had zero chance.
also, i disagree on the lesser importance of GPA in college. yes it's all
about the jobs but how do you get that? well for engineering the best way
to land a job is via getting an internship first. and what's the single
most important factor in landing an internship? GPA, period.
furthermore, due to less interaction (compare to HS) w/ other students,
teachers, and parents, there's this false sense of confidence that GPA doesn
't matter - until it's too late.
Note this is just for engineering, for some of the other majors such as
business, it is in-your-face competition and every point matters from day 1.
also, peer pressure and the general school atmosphere/influence matters in
HS - all things equal, i'd rather my kids hang out w/ over-achievers than so
-so average kids, if nothing else, for positive influence reasons.
i do recognize going to a good HS is not a cure-all. competition could add
a lot more stress and potentially affect the kid's confidence, at a young
age. this is something that i want to pay close attention to. But to me,
the best cure from that is if my kids are driven from within. The best way
to stay driven is not for me to get on their case everyday but for all their
peers to be of same caliber - hence my influence statement above - and to
me it's even harder to have that type of environment at a lesser school.
but enough, forget all my arguments above - here's the most powerful one of
all: this strategy only works if you are the only ones employing it. i.e.,
as more parents starting to take on the same outlook (which i know is
already gaining traction in silicon valley), this strategy could back fire -
it's one thing to be #2 at a top school, but #2 at a no-name school?
Finally, i am not saying if you don't go to a good HS, or go to a lesser
college, or graduate w/ a lower GPA, that the kid is doomed - plenty of ppl
succeeded w/ humble backgrounds. but as parents, all we are trying to do is
helping our kids to maximize their chances of success, right? so all else
equal, why let your kid have less when they can have more?
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: 人生不同阶段有不同的目标。高中毕业时大部份人的目标是能上一个心仪的大学。
: 中国家长对此尤其重视。
: 在中国的高考制度下，进一个好的高中会对提高高考分数有所帮助。整体来讲，好
: 高中里的老师对高考重点的掌握与剖析比一般学校的水准会高一些。在好高中里即
: 使和其它尖子比你很差也没关系。因为最终的竞争对手是全体参加高考的学生。通
: 过进好高中提高了高考分数，你就赚到了。所以在中国打破头去挤好高中可以理解。
: 在美国不是一考定音。进好大学的竞争很大一部份来自高中校内。如果小孩能力还
: 不足以和顶尖高手竞争，进了顶尖高手云集的学校不会对他的大学录取有帮助。今
: 年Clements High School两个横扫牛校的MM就把其他好学生的机会消减了不少。如
: 果一个学校有五六个这样的顶尖高手，一些有实力进牛校的高手大概也没机会了。
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F*******X
发帖数: 143 | 17 不认同。这故事值得传阅表扬，但作为例子有点冰山一角。我是会尽力让自家的孩子上
好点的学校的。
【在 z*****4 的大作中提到】
: 刚看到新闻说休斯敦CYPRESS FALL HIGH SCHOOL的一个华裔小姑娘入选了美国生物奥赛
: 国家队，还是学校网球队长，然后搜了下这个学校，西裔学生过半，数据普普通通的学
: 校而已。看来以后不必纠结以后孩子学区的问题了，给孩子提供一个鹤立鸡群的环境中
: 也不错。
: http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/cypresscreek/living/cypress-fall
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L*1
发帖数: 11537 | 18 有点道理。
其实大家的误区就是几乎所有的家长都假设自己的孩子是百里挑一的。
【在 y******n 的大作中提到】
: 人生不同阶段有不同的目标。高中毕业时大部份人的目标是能上一个心仪的大学。
: 中国家长对此尤其重视。
: 在中国的高考制度下，进一个好的高中会对提高高考分数有所帮助。整体来讲，好
: 高中里的老师对高考重点的掌握与剖析比一般学校的水准会高一些。在好高中里即
: 使和其它尖子比你很差也没关系。因为最终的竞争对手是全体参加高考的学生。通
: 过进好高中提高了高考分数，你就赚到了。所以在中国打破头去挤好高中可以理解。
: 在美国不是一考定音。进好大学的竞争很大一部份来自高中校内。如果小孩能力还
: 不足以和顶尖高手竞争，进了顶尖高手云集的学校不会对他的大学录取有帮助。今
: 年Clements High School两个横扫牛校的MM就把其他好学生的机会消减了不少。如
: 果一个学校有五六个这样的顶尖高手，一些有实力进牛校的高手大概也没机会了。
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