w********9
发帖数: 8613 | | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 3 冰岛的足球普及率应该是世界上最高的。足球是冰岛最普及的运动，在过去20年建了很
多球场。教练的水平很高，共有700多个UEFA-A和B的教练。正式参加训练的球员就有2
万。
人种就是北欧人种，没有什么特殊的。在其它大运动上远远没有这么突出。 | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 4 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
2
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 冰岛的足球普及率应该是世界上最高的。足球是冰岛最普及的运动，在过去20年建了很
: 多球场。教练的水平很高，共有700多个UEFA-A和B的教练。正式参加训练的球员就有2
: 万。
: 人种就是北欧人种，没有什么特殊的。在其它大运动上远远没有这么突出。
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 5 中国足球人口明显比冰岛少多了，好不好！！！
了很
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
: 所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
:
: 2
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 6 你又瞎讲，欧洲是只要是踢业余的也在足协注册，中国踢野球的有几个注册的？这些中
国踢野球的根本不算在足球人口里。。。实际上一个礼拜踢一次球的人就是足球人口。
。。别拿这个做足球上不去的遮羞布。。。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国足球人口明显比冰岛少多了，好不好！！！
:
: 了很
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 7
每个国家和周围的环境不一样。冰岛正规踢球的有2万，周围的水平也很高。而中国有
分布在广大地区的5万，周围的足球水平也不很高。整个西欧那么多国家的人口比中国
还少。但是足球都是最普及的大运动。在中国，足球不普及是最大的原因。中国相对过
去落后了，而周围有些国家上升了。如果普及了，就可以在成千上万个地区把好的球员
平时就集中在一起培训。过去，大连和广东个别地方为什么能出那么多足球国脚？可惜
的是，那种模式在中国不能推广。有名的足球小学也都远远不如过去了。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
: 所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
:
: 2
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 8 人种身体比中国人好，头脑聪明，周围水平高是主因。。。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 每个国家和周围的环境不一样。冰岛正规踢球的有2万，周围的水平也很高。而中国有
: 分布在广大地区的5万，周围的足球水平也不很高。整个西欧那么多国家的人口比中国
: 还少。但是足球都是最普及的大运动。在中国，足球不普及是最大的原因。中国相对过
: 去落后了，而周围有些国家上升了。如果普及了，就可以在成千上万个地区把好的球员
: 平时就集中在一起培训。过去，大连和广东个别地方为什么能出那么多足球国脚？可惜
: 的是，那种模式在中国不能推广。有名的足球小学也都远远不如过去了。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 9
他们的人种与瑞典和挪威人是一样的，也不比周围的人聪明。与周围人比，非常能吃苦
，对足球特别狂热。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 人种身体比中国人好，头脑聪明，周围水平高是主因。。。
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 10 我说的是和华人比。。。北欧人综合素质相当高。。。。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 他们的人种与瑞典和挪威人是一样的，也不比周围的人聪明。与周围人比，非常能吃苦
: ，对足球特别狂热。
| | | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 11 中国踢野球的有几个？ 能踢野球的足球场有几个？
你太高估中国的野球人口了
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你又瞎讲，欧洲是只要是踢业余的也在足协注册，中国踢野球的有几个注册的？这些中
: 国踢野球的根本不算在足球人口里。。。实际上一个礼拜踢一次球的人就是足球人口。
: 。。别拿这个做足球上不去的遮羞布。。。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 12 中国发展足球需要参考的另一个模式是德国的青训系统的大改革。好像也是90年代左右
开始的。 | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 13 你这样辩解毫无意义，中国踢野球的人肯定比冰岛多，人口总量差那么多。。。冰岛33
万人，一半是女人，还有那么多老头（冰岛寿命高），婴幼儿，真正青壮年几个人啊？
奥，他们其他社么都不做光踢球啊。。。。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国踢野球的有几个？ 能踢野球的足球场有几个？
: 你太高估中国的野球人口了
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 14 过去中国的大连类似冰岛吧？
我是沈阳生长的，印象比大连差不少。就像我在另一个贴里说的：过去20年中国经济大
发展，各种出路很多，没有多少家庭愿意让小孩去踢足球。在恒大踢的那个非常有天赋
的小女孩，家里其实是不想让她踢的。 | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 15 乒乓球，羽毛球，篮球，台球，哪怕是网球和高尔夫球的 运动人口 都比 足球多，信不
信？
你要不要数数 北京的高尔夫球场 数量 和 足球场数量？
33
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这样辩解毫无意义，中国踢野球的人肯定比冰岛多，人口总量差那么多。。。冰岛33
: 万人，一半是女人，还有那么多老头（冰岛寿命高），婴幼儿，真正青壮年几个人啊？
: 奥，他们其他社么都不做光踢球啊。。。。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 16 冰岛有700多个UEFA-A或-B的教练，有这种认证的教练在美国都是可以在比较好的俱乐
部各个年龄带一队的。在冰岛，只有-A才能带俱乐部队，只有-B以上才能带正式的青少
年球队。人家训练是很正规、系统性的。 | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 17 冰岛人为什么那么热衷足球呢？是不是没有足球生活就枯燥很多啊？那个地方在300年
前就差不多是个几乎被人遗忘的角落吧？ | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 18 我前面的数据已经过时了。现在冰岛的正式教练人数：
Uefa B licence coaches
639
Uefa A licence coaches
196
Uefa Pro licence coaches
13 | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 19 冰岛是Viking的大本营，人家牛逼过呢
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 冰岛人为什么那么热衷足球呢？是不是没有足球生活就枯燥很多啊？那个地方在300年
: 前就差不多是个几乎被人遗忘的角落吧？
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 20 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30012357
There are now 30 full-size all-weather pitches, seven of which are indoors,
and almost 150 smaller artificial arenas that ensure youngsters at
grassroots can continue to play football in winter, often inside indoor dome
structures. | | | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 21 你增么又扯到其他项目拉，中国人口基数大，相同条件下比冰岛选材面大的多，但人不
行没办法。。。。就像老中再死命读书也发明不出增么多伟大的东西，你说是不是？
信不
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 乒乓球，羽毛球，篮球，台球，哪怕是网球和高尔夫球的 运动人口 都比 足球多，信不
: 信？
: 你要不要数数 北京的高尔夫球场 数量 和 足球场数量？
:
: 33
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 22 中国的优秀人口都去干别的了，前15－10年间 开始学踢球的都是不成器的富家子弟
BTW 你前面提到的伟大的乔布斯其实也没发明过什么伟大的东西，真正发明伟大东西的
人还是需要学点知识的
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你增么又扯到其他项目拉，中国人口基数大，相同条件下比冰岛选材面大的多，但人不
: 行没办法。。。。就像老中再死命读书也发明不出增么多伟大的东西，你说是不是？
:
: 信不
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 23 那中国的优秀人口在其他行业有啥发明，创造，对人类有社么贡献？除了便宜货的出口
。。。
那中国人学了那么多知识为社么还没有伟大发明呢？
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国的优秀人口都去干别的了，前15－10年间 开始学踢球的都是不成器的富家子弟
: BTW 你前面提到的伟大的乔布斯其实也没发明过什么伟大的东西，真正发明伟大东西的
: 人还是需要学点知识的
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 24
不是的。
维京是航海的Scandinavian土族，像（说法语的）征服Anglo-Saxon人（好像也是古日
耳曼人的后支）的norman人一样，是古日耳曼人的后支。维京人的后代分布到很多地方
，包括人烟稀少的冰岛和英国。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 冰岛是Viking的大本营，人家牛逼过呢
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 25 你也没必要妄自菲薄，要说中国的贡献，中国经济发展模式 算不算当今的最大贡献，今
天几乎所有发展中国家都在按照中国的步伐在发展
正是因为中国大量的有知识有文化劳动力和消费力才启动了中国经济发展和世界经济发
展
西的
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 那中国的优秀人口在其他行业有啥发明，创造，对人类有社么贡献？除了便宜货的出口
: 。。。
: 那中国人学了那么多知识为社么还没有伟大发明呢？
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 26 扯太远了吧？
大部分北欧（包括德国、瑞典、挪威和冰岛）人的祖先，古日耳曼人，是蒙昧无知的。
罗马人把他们叫野蛮人。
中国人与韩国、日本人是一个人种，曾经长期是东亚文化的领导者。与他们相比，现在
相对落后了。不能因此就说中国今后不会相对进步了。
即使对很多关心足球的人来说，足球只是社会生活的很小一部分。中国足球上升的空间
很大，只要有足够动力还是能提高很多的。问题是：中国社会缺乏这种动力。这有很大
的合理性。现在和将来，有多少成年人能靠足球谋生呢？ | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 27 看市场呗，没看到现在艺校报考挤破头？20年前谁看得上考艺校啊
现在市场先起来了，总会有人想靠这个谋生的，毕竟一年几百万的收入顶普通白领十多年
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 扯太远了吧？
: 大部分北欧（包括德国、瑞典、挪威和冰岛）人的祖先，古日耳曼人，是蒙昧无知的。
: 罗马人把他们叫野蛮人。
: 中国人与韩国、日本人是一个人种，曾经长期是东亚文化的领导者。与他们相比，现在
: 相对落后了。不能因此就说中国今后不会相对进步了。
: 即使对很多关心足球的人来说，足球只是社会生活的很小一部分。中国足球上升的空间
: 很大，只要有足够动力还是能提高很多的。问题是：中国社会缺乏这种动力。这有很大
: 的合理性。现在和将来，有多少成年人能靠足球谋生呢？
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 28 从设施、教练到球员选材和培训，冰岛的青训系统基本上已经完全优化了。
这个模式不完全适合（大多数地方不怎么热爱足球也没有足球设施和资源的）中国。大
连那样的足球城市和地方还是可以认真学习的。
http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/02/05/the-icelandic-football-
IN GLOBAL FOOTBALL THE NARRATIVE NEVER STAYS THE SAME. Success on the pitch
is not defined by population density and landmass. Footballing excellence
does not grow from dry, untilled fields left stagnate with fodder crops.
Iceland, an actively volcanic island nestled in the North Atlantic Ocean
with a population of around 325,000 people has an overabundance of
footballing riches. Iceland’s main exports are raw aluminum, fish,
ferroalloys, and footballers. The island nation has tilled the volcanic soil
and reaped the benefits of high coaching standards, volume training, and
player preparation from the isolated ecosystem of thin, volcanic soils.
Iceland has figured out how to meld the best of both the top-down and bottom
-up approaches regarding player development. Icelandic football is enjoying
an impressive and unprecedented gilded age and surge of footballing success
to the point one wonders what is in the water of the islands’ famous
geysers that yields such proficient players the likes of Eieur Guejohnsen,
son of Arnór Guejohnsen, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Hermann Hreiearsson, Kolbeinn
Sigtórsson, and Aron Einar Gunnarsson.
Arnar Bill Gunnarsson, Director of Education for the Icelandic Football
Association (KSí), believes the improvement is the result of consistency,
education, and an iron-clad national mentality. Arnar Bill, who himself
holds a UEFA A coaching license, kindly discussed the systematic approach
Iceland is taking to build on the achievements of the past, continue the
success of the present, and forge the road ahead for Icelandic football.
“Football is by far the biggest sport in Iceland. There are about 20,000
players. Players that play games with club teams are the only players we
register. We don’t count the players who are just playing for fun,” says
Arnar Bill. The uniform approach, organization, and the concerted effort to
register those turning out for clubs ensures player pools are tracked and
monitored. In addition to identification, a functional and thorough scouting
network is in place to make sure players do not slip through the cracks.
“We have a scouting system that works throughout the whole island. That is
no problem. The island is not that small but it’s not that big. There’s no
way, for example, when we choose our first group of players at the age of
14 that we miss out on a talented player. I’m talking about national team
football. The country is small and it’s very easy to scout it. We get a lot
of good players from outside the Reykjavik districts. I think maybe 10
years ago we had an ‘A’ team that played at the national team level and
each and every one of them, the starting XI, came from smaller towns. So,
that can happen, but most of the players are from the Reykjavik area.”
Arnar Bill pauses when asked about the prototypical Icelandic footballer. “
That’s a tough question. I’m not sure if we have a “goal” about what
type of player we want to have, but Icelandic players have always been known
for their mentality. Their winning mentality, we adapt easily and have a
great fighting spirit. And that’s one of the reasons we have been quite
successful when you consider how few [in population terms] we are.”
In order for a generation of players to maximize their potential and compete
, the environment in which they play has to not only be created, but it has
to accommodate the lifestyle of the Icelandic people and account for the
extreme conditions the island experiences. Iceland, with its harsh winter
conditions and isolated location in the North Atlantic has taken the
initiative in creating the setting for its players to thrive in year-round.
The result is more training sessions and chances to teach and hone the
overall baseline technical ability of players in the Icelandic football
system.
“There’s been a revelation in the past 10 or 15 years in terms of the
facilities. We have the longest pre-season in the world. We have about a
seven-to-eight month preseason. Our season starts in May and ends in
September. The reason is because it’s too cold. So, we play on regular
grass from the beginning of May to the end of September. In the last 10 to15
years, we have improved our facilities. We have about seven full-sized
indoor football halls, and about 20 to 25 artificial pitches, and about 150
mini-pitches. This means we can play football all year round.
“When I was playing, 20 years ago, I only had one training session a week
during the winter in football. I just had to play basketball or handball or
some other sport during the winter. But now, we can play football the whole
year even though the season is very short. We can train three to four times
a week. What I’m trying to say is our technical ability is getting better
because of this. Now we can train on good facilities all year round. We are
getting better at getting the ball and passing the ball. The overall
technical ability of our players is improving. The skills are getting better
.”
The benefit of year-round access to high-level training affords Icelandic
footballers more actual training sessions than many other countries that
place heavier emphasis on match play. In Iceland, the increase in training
regularity becomes the platform for improvement through repetition and
frequency. Additionally, the variety of playing surfaces forces players to
hone their skills in different ways. The mini-pitches, indoor football halls
, artificial, cinder and natural grass pitches serve the players well as
weather is less of a hindrance than in years past. This increased exposure
to the game at any given time during the year helps mitigate the logistical
obstacles plaguing countries that have yet to place value in creating
available space for players to train and compete in.
Perhaps the key reason the standard of football in Iceland has risen
dramatically is rooted in the level of baseline coaching education. For
example, in the United States pay-to-play models, inconsistent and expensive
coaching education prices out potential coaches while creating a fragmented
educational standard of coaches within the system. Icelandic football
regards coaching as a skilled position. Icelandic football follows a similar
method Germany, Spain, Italy and the Netherlands have employed regarding
coaching education and qualification. For young players, the exposure to
highly-qualified coaches produces players with a strong mentality. The
approach is simple: to coach, one must be highly-proficient and licensed.
“The key is when the players start training at four or five years of age,
they get a qualified, paid coach. Almost every coach in Iceland has a
qualification. They have a UEFA B or UEFA A license. So when you are a four
or five, or even three years old, you get a qualified and experienced coach.
And, if kids get an experienced and qualified coach who is fun and
entertaining the kids love the game. What happens when you learn to love the
game, you go out on the training pitch and do something extra. You play
football outside of organized training sessions. That is the mentality in
Iceland. If you look at the other Scandinavian countries, Norway, Denmark,
Sweden, in most cases there are parents coaching the kids until they are 12-
years-old as volunteers.”
The commitment to a higher standard of coaching education works well for
Iceland’s population size, but the absence of volunteer coaches also
produces a higher pedigree of player in Iceland.
“If you compare that concept with a qualified, paid coach in Iceland who
has gone through all the courses through the Icelandic FA with a parent in
Norway or Sweden, it’s a win-win situation in Iceland,” says Arnar Bill.
“That is why we are able to produce so many good players even though we are
so few. Twenty years ago we didn’t do it regularly, so we didn’t qualify,
but we are getting better. It’s not something that happened suddenly. The
facilities are definitely helping us. No doubt about that. That’s one thing
. But the coaches’ education is the other thing. We started with that
system with the mandatory UEFA A and UEFA B license in 2002-2003 and now
every coach goes through the same system and they’re qualified. The
improved facilities and coaching education are better — these two aspects
helped the most.”
The players from the 2002-03 group are members of the current talent-rich
generation of Icelandic footballers. In Iceland, the responsibility of
player development is balanced by the FA and the individual clubs. The
dependence on individual clubs with qualified coaches to drive the bulk of a
player’s development is further reinforced by the consistency of the
national team training camps. The role of a club in a player’s footballing
upbringing is tribal in nature in Iceland and mirrors the national identity
of the nation’s football.
As the Director of Education for the KSí, Arnar Bill does not exalt on what
Germany or the Netherlands do in terms of national playing identity.
Players are taught to identify with their communities in both life and in
football. There is little club-hopping in search of the delusions of
grandeur for youth players in Iceland. The country’s football league
structure validates just how quality youth coaching pays dividends.
“I think the league structure is pretty good that way it is. The leagues
are semi-professional. The players get paid, but they all do some job on the
side and some do university. Many clubs are gambling too much with the
money. They are paying too much with the salaries, so I don’t think there
is room for making it fully professional. The best teams that always qualify
for Europe and receive money from that can maybe afford to pay more with
the salaries and bring in more foreign players, but there is no way a club
can bring a full team of players making $100,000. I don’t think anyone is
interested in it, really. Unless there is a team that qualifies for the UEFA
Champions League, they would have the money to do it, but other than that,
who knows?”
Arnar Bill exudes an academic pragmatism. “I would say that Icelandic
football has its own individual and national identity. We can’t copy what
everyone else is doing. We are so few. If you spare me, I will tell you a
story about why we are so successful. The main reason is the club culture,
which I will explain. In Iceland there are no professional clubs. Every club
is amateur.And when you are born into a neighborhood you go and play with
your local team and that’s just how it is. And if your parents stay in that
local neighborhood, you continue to play in that local neighborhood. You
don’t change teams. Very few do. Everyone gets the same coach, everyone
gets the same opportunity, and everyone gets the same amount of training
sessions. The very best players might get to play with age group above to
get better training opportunities. The girls are allowed to play with the
boys to get more speed within a training session.”
The boldness of the Icelandic approach is the player-first philosophy and
where football is not used as a way to eek money from parents and players.
Rather, it is viewed a sporting pursuit that harnesses the strengths of a
proud footballing nation. Arnar Bill is quick to point out that Icelandic
football aims to avoid falling victim to a culture comfortable with using
misleading buzzwords and catchphrases.
“Each team has its own way of producing talent. The word ‘academy’ is
getting overused. Everything is called ‘academy’. We do not do this. Each
club tries to do its best for the best players, of course. But, everyone has
the same service and the same amount of training sessions. As they get
older, we try to do a little bit more for the absolute best players. Maybe
they get an extra training session or they are allowed to train up an age
group. But there are no formal academies.
“During the winter, we have a lot of training sessions. Every other weekend
we have a training session for the boys and the other weekends we have a
training session for the girls who play on the national teams. So we train
the top kids are getting additional training sessions throughout the winter.
The other countries get more games, but we get more training sessions
because of where we are situated. It’s very expensive for us to go and play
a game with the national team. So, 95 percent of the development is done
with the clubs, and about 5 percent is done with the national teams, which
is about 10 weekends [comprised of two training sessions per weekend] a year
for the youth national teams.”
The current Icelandic national side boasts a golden generation of talent and
Arnar Bill describes the present, realistic expectations for the individual
players and the national program beyond qualifying for a major
international tournament for the first time in its footballing history.
“Definitely qualifying for the Euros in 2016, we were so close to
qualifying for the World Cup, but we lost in the playoffs against Croatia.
But, that was the first time we’ve reached the playoffs. We started the
group play very well. Even though there are only four games down and six to
play, we have started well and there is a realistic chance to qualify. That
is definitely the goal. Every year about 5-10 Icelandic players leave to go
abroad to become professional players… so that [export of Icelandic talent]
won’t stop. It will only increase, in my opinion. We will have more and
more professional players.
“But you spoke about the Golden Generation, that’s a good expression
because those same guys qualified for the finals of the under-21, and now
they are playing together on the senior national team. So I think the
mentality in the group is very good. For example, when we beat Holland, the
mentality of the group was so strong. After we won there was no celebrating
on the pitch. It was ‘Well done. Next game. Come on, guys’. They were not
huddling in the middle, screaming and celebrating. It was just, ‘Now we
beat Holland, next game, come on!’ It’s pure focus.
Success in international football has seen the country’s FIFA rankings,
which Arnar Bill admits is “a strange list”, rise 100 places in the past
year, from 135 to 35. Many of the top players take a gradual approach to
establishing themselves abroad.
“I think the decision about what league to go to is up to each player and
the kind of player he really is. Some are brilliant in the Dutch league and
others do well in Scandinavia. But the mentality is most of the players
start by going to Scandinavia. And they are not going to Scandinavia to
become a legend in Scandinavia. They are going to Scandinavia to use it as a
springboard to go to England, Italy or Spain. That’s the mentality. There
are only a few players going straight to England or the Netherlands and
right away succeed at the first attempt. Most of our players who go abroad
young, they go to a big club, which is maybe too big, and they have to take
two steps back before they go up again.
The exceptions are maybe Gylfi Sigurdsson who went to England, and he
started with Reading and played a few games for their senior team. And Jó
hann Berg Guemundsson who went to AZ Alkmaar. So players have to think about
their football and maybe get a good education before going to Scandinavia
to make the step up again if football doesn’t work out. That’s the trend
really. Many go to Norway, and succeed there, then transfer to bigger
leagues.”
The senior national side under the tutelage of Swedish coach Lars Lagerb&#
228;ck relies on the same principles that players are brought up playing.
The players representing Iceland are technical and intelligent. The years of
guidance from high-level coaching from their earliest introduction to the
game to the professional level is evident according to Arnar Bill.
”We always play 4-4-2. We always play fast. We always play with two
strikers. The style of play is number one. The work rate has to be high the
entire time. If a player cannot work for us, they do not play. Some players
can be the top scorers in Holland or Norway but can’t make the starting XI
for Iceland. It’s about having a fantastic work rate. We can’t have any
relaxed players on the team that don’t want to run. When we win, we don’t
change the winning teams.”
So what does long term success for Iceland really look like? Arnar Bill
conveys a great deal of modesty and humility, traits that serve the
Icelandic people well.
“I don’t think anyone has thought that far to be honest. I think, if we
were to qualify [for Euro 2016], the FA will get much more money to spend.
That will help our youth national teams to develop. Like I said before, we
don’t play as many games as the others do. We just can’t afford it. So,
this will help the youth national teams and the women’s national teams if
the men succeed. Improved financial status will help us. The next goal will
be qualify again. We can’t take it for granted to qualify again. It will
always be about the next tournament in 10 or 15 years. ‘Let’s do it again
and again’. I don’t think we can say ‘Okay, let’s reach the semi-finals
or finals’. For us, we’ve never qualified, so let’s start with that.”
Iceland’s ability to set a standard for its coaches that is just as high as
that of its players is evident. Players who learn the game the right way
from well-qualified coaches has fostered a generation of Icelandic players
vying to establish themselves in European and international football. There
are lessons to be gained and plaudits to recognize for this proud nation.
Some 3,500 miles to the west is the United States and 1,000 miles to the
east is Great Britain.
Both boast better infrastructure, more robust economies, and deeper sporting
landscapes and both could learn a great deal in the realm of player
development and coaching education from an island nation that has never
qualified for a major football tournament at the senior level. | r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 29 其实徐根宝的思路可能是对的，弄好几万中国小孩到欧洲去，从小在欧洲的足球环境里
长大，彻底跟中国的足球环境绝缘，将来要冲出亚洲可能就得这么搞。类似于非洲国家
的借鸡生蛋。这些小孩除了出生在中国其他都跟外国人没啥区别了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 从设施、教练到球员选材和培训，冰岛的青训系统基本上已经完全优化了。
: 这个模式不完全适合（大多数地方不怎么热爱足球也没有足球设施和资源的）中国。大
: 连那样的足球城市和地方还是可以认真学习的。
: http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/02/05/the-icelandic-football-
: IN GLOBAL FOOTBALL THE NARRATIVE NEVER STAYS THE SAME. Success on the pitch
: is not defined by population density and landmass. Footballing excellence
: does not grow from dry, untilled fields left stagnate with fodder crops.
: Iceland, an actively volcanic island nestled in the North Atlantic Ocean
: with a population of around 325,000 people has an overabundance of
: footballing riches. Iceland’s main exports are raw aluminum, fish,
| j******q
发帖数: 230 | | | | r***k
发帖数: 13586 | 31 普及也是有程度区别的。一边是1亿个人每个人每天踢10分钟，一边是1万个人每天踢8
小时，很可能是一万个人的那边胜出。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
: 所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
:
: 2
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 34 冰岛的足球普及率应该是世界上最高的。足球是冰岛最普及的运动，在过去20年建了很
多球场。教练的水平很高，共有700多个UEFA-A和B的教练。正式参加训练的球员就有2
万。
人种就是北欧人种，没有什么特殊的。在其它大运动上远远没有这么突出。 | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 35 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
2
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 冰岛的足球普及率应该是世界上最高的。足球是冰岛最普及的运动，在过去20年建了很
: 多球场。教练的水平很高，共有700多个UEFA-A和B的教练。正式参加训练的球员就有2
: 万。
: 人种就是北欧人种，没有什么特殊的。在其它大运动上远远没有这么突出。
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 36 中国足球人口明显比冰岛少多了，好不好！！！
了很
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
: 所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
:
: 2
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 37 你又瞎讲，欧洲是只要是踢业余的也在足协注册，中国踢野球的有几个注册的？这些中
国踢野球的根本不算在足球人口里。。。实际上一个礼拜踢一次球的人就是足球人口。
。。别拿这个做足球上不去的遮羞布。。。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国足球人口明显比冰岛少多了，好不好！！！
:
: 了很
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 38
每个国家和周围的环境不一样。冰岛正规踢球的有2万，周围的水平也很高。而中国有
分布在广大地区的5万，周围的足球水平也不很高。整个西欧那么多国家的人口比中国
还少。但是足球都是最普及的大运动。在中国，足球不普及是最大的原因。中国相对过
去落后了，而周围有些国家上升了。如果普及了，就可以在成千上万个地区把好的球员
平时就集中在一起培训。过去，大连和广东个别地方为什么能出那么多足球国脚？可惜
的是，那种模式在中国不能推广。有名的足球小学也都远远不如过去了。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
: 所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
:
: 2
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 39 人种身体比中国人好，头脑聪明，周围水平高是主因。。。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 每个国家和周围的环境不一样。冰岛正规踢球的有2万，周围的水平也很高。而中国有
: 分布在广大地区的5万，周围的足球水平也不很高。整个西欧那么多国家的人口比中国
: 还少。但是足球都是最普及的大运动。在中国，足球不普及是最大的原因。中国相对过
: 去落后了，而周围有些国家上升了。如果普及了，就可以在成千上万个地区把好的球员
: 平时就集中在一起培训。过去，大连和广东个别地方为什么能出那么多足球国脚？可惜
: 的是，那种模式在中国不能推广。有名的足球小学也都远远不如过去了。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 40
他们的人种与瑞典和挪威人是一样的，也不比周围的人聪明。与周围人比，非常能吃苦
，对足球特别狂热。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 人种身体比中国人好，头脑聪明，周围水平高是主因。。。
| | | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 41 我说的是和华人比。。。北欧人综合素质相当高。。。。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 他们的人种与瑞典和挪威人是一样的，也不比周围的人聪明。与周围人比，非常能吃苦
: ，对足球特别狂热。
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 42 中国踢野球的有几个？ 能踢野球的足球场有几个？
你太高估中国的野球人口了
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你又瞎讲，欧洲是只要是踢业余的也在足协注册，中国踢野球的有几个注册的？这些中
: 国踢野球的根本不算在足球人口里。。。实际上一个礼拜踢一次球的人就是足球人口。
: 。。别拿这个做足球上不去的遮羞布。。。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 43 中国发展足球需要参考的另一个模式是德国的青训系统的大改革。好像也是90年代左右
开始的。 | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 44 你这样辩解毫无意义，中国踢野球的人肯定比冰岛多，人口总量差那么多。。。冰岛33
万人，一半是女人，还有那么多老头（冰岛寿命高），婴幼儿，真正青壮年几个人啊？
奥，他们其他社么都不做光踢球啊。。。。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国踢野球的有几个？ 能踢野球的足球场有几个？
: 你太高估中国的野球人口了
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 45 过去中国的大连类似冰岛吧？
我是沈阳生长的，印象比大连差不少。就像我在另一个贴里说的：过去20年中国经济大
发展，各种出路很多，没有多少家庭愿意让小孩去踢足球。在恒大踢的那个非常有天赋
的小女孩，家里其实是不想让她踢的。 | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 46 乒乓球，羽毛球，篮球，台球，哪怕是网球和高尔夫球的 运动人口 都比 足球多，信不
信？
你要不要数数 北京的高尔夫球场 数量 和 足球场数量？
33
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这样辩解毫无意义，中国踢野球的人肯定比冰岛多，人口总量差那么多。。。冰岛33
: 万人，一半是女人，还有那么多老头（冰岛寿命高），婴幼儿，真正青壮年几个人啊？
: 奥，他们其他社么都不做光踢球啊。。。。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 47 冰岛有700多个UEFA-A或-B的教练，有这种认证的教练在美国都是可以在比较好的俱乐
部各个年龄带一队的。在冰岛，只有-A才能带俱乐部队，只有-B以上才能带正式的青少
年球队。人家训练是很正规、系统性的。 | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 48 冰岛人为什么那么热衷足球呢？是不是没有足球生活就枯燥很多啊？那个地方在300年
前就差不多是个几乎被人遗忘的角落吧？ | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 49 我前面的数据已经过时了。现在冰岛的正式教练人数：
Uefa B licence coaches
639
Uefa A licence coaches
196
Uefa Pro licence coaches
13 | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 50 冰岛是Viking的大本营，人家牛逼过呢
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 冰岛人为什么那么热衷足球呢？是不是没有足球生活就枯燥很多啊？那个地方在300年
: 前就差不多是个几乎被人遗忘的角落吧？
| | | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 51 http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30012357
There are now 30 full-size all-weather pitches, seven of which are indoors,
and almost 150 smaller artificial arenas that ensure youngsters at
grassroots can continue to play football in winter, often inside indoor dome
structures. | i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 52 你增么又扯到其他项目拉，中国人口基数大，相同条件下比冰岛选材面大的多，但人不
行没办法。。。。就像老中再死命读书也发明不出增么多伟大的东西，你说是不是？
信不
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 乒乓球，羽毛球，篮球，台球，哪怕是网球和高尔夫球的 运动人口 都比 足球多，信不
: 信？
: 你要不要数数 北京的高尔夫球场 数量 和 足球场数量？
:
: 33
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 53 中国的优秀人口都去干别的了，前15－10年间 开始学踢球的都是不成器的富家子弟
BTW 你前面提到的伟大的乔布斯其实也没发明过什么伟大的东西，真正发明伟大东西的
人还是需要学点知识的
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你增么又扯到其他项目拉，中国人口基数大，相同条件下比冰岛选材面大的多，但人不
: 行没办法。。。。就像老中再死命读书也发明不出增么多伟大的东西，你说是不是？
:
: 信不
| i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 54 那中国的优秀人口在其他行业有啥发明，创造，对人类有社么贡献？除了便宜货的出口
。。。
那中国人学了那么多知识为社么还没有伟大发明呢？
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 中国的优秀人口都去干别的了，前15－10年间 开始学踢球的都是不成器的富家子弟
: BTW 你前面提到的伟大的乔布斯其实也没发明过什么伟大的东西，真正发明伟大东西的
: 人还是需要学点知识的
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 55
不是的。
维京是航海的Scandinavian土族，像（说法语的）征服Anglo-Saxon人（好像也是古日
耳曼人的后支）的norman人一样，是古日耳曼人的后支。维京人的后代分布到很多地方
，包括人烟稀少的冰岛和英国。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 冰岛是Viking的大本营，人家牛逼过呢
| m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 56 你也没必要妄自菲薄，要说中国的贡献，中国经济发展模式 算不算当今的最大贡献，今
天几乎所有发展中国家都在按照中国的步伐在发展
正是因为中国大量的有知识有文化劳动力和消费力才启动了中国经济发展和世界经济发
展
西的
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 那中国的优秀人口在其他行业有啥发明，创造，对人类有社么贡献？除了便宜货的出口
: 。。。
: 那中国人学了那么多知识为社么还没有伟大发明呢？
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 57 扯太远了吧？
大部分北欧（包括德国、瑞典、挪威和冰岛）人的祖先，古日耳曼人，是蒙昧无知的。
罗马人把他们叫野蛮人。
中国人与韩国、日本人是一个人种，曾经长期是东亚文化的领导者。与他们相比，现在
相对落后了。不能因此就说中国今后不会相对进步了。
即使对很多关心足球的人来说，足球只是社会生活的很小一部分。中国足球上升的空间
很大，只要有足够动力还是能提高很多的。问题是：中国社会缺乏这种动力。这有很大
的合理性。现在和将来，有多少成年人能靠足球谋生呢？ | m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 58 看市场呗，没看到现在艺校报考挤破头？20年前谁看得上考艺校啊
现在市场先起来了，总会有人想靠这个谋生的，毕竟一年几百万的收入顶普通白领十多年
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 扯太远了吧？
: 大部分北欧（包括德国、瑞典、挪威和冰岛）人的祖先，古日耳曼人，是蒙昧无知的。
: 罗马人把他们叫野蛮人。
: 中国人与韩国、日本人是一个人种，曾经长期是东亚文化的领导者。与他们相比，现在
: 相对落后了。不能因此就说中国今后不会相对进步了。
: 即使对很多关心足球的人来说，足球只是社会生活的很小一部分。中国足球上升的空间
: 很大，只要有足够动力还是能提高很多的。问题是：中国社会缺乏这种动力。这有很大
: 的合理性。现在和将来，有多少成年人能靠足球谋生呢？
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 59 从设施、教练到球员选材和培训，冰岛的青训系统基本上已经完全优化了。
这个模式不完全适合（大多数地方不怎么热爱足球也没有足球设施和资源的）中国。大
连那样的足球城市和地方还是可以认真学习的。
http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/02/05/the-icelandic-football-model/
IN GLOBAL FOOTBALL THE NARRATIVE NEVER STAYS THE SAME. Success on the pitch
is not defined by population density and landmass. Footballing excellence
does not grow from dry, untilled fields left stagnate with fodder crops.
Iceland, an actively volcanic island nestled in the North Atlantic Ocean
with a population of around 325,000 people has an overabundance of
footballing riches. Iceland’s main exports are raw aluminum, fish,
ferroalloys, and footballers. The island nation has tilled the volcanic soil
and reaped the benefits of high coaching standards, volume training, and
player preparation from the isolated ecosystem of thin, volcanic soils.
Iceland has figured out how to meld the best of both the top-down and bottom
-up approaches regarding player development. Icelandic football is enjoying
an impressive and unprecedented gilded age and surge of footballing success
to the point one wonders what is in the water of the islands’ famous
geysers that yields such proficient players the likes of Eieur Guejohnsen,
son of Arnór Guejohnsen, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Hermann Hreiearsson, Kolbeinn
Sigtórsson, and Aron Einar Gunnarsson.
Arnar Bill Gunnarsson, Director of Education for the Icelandic Football
Association (KSí), believes the improvement is the result of consistency,
education, and an iron-clad national mentality. Arnar Bill, who himself
holds a UEFA A coaching license, kindly discussed the systematic approach
Iceland is taking to build on the achievements of the past, continue the
success of the present, and forge the road ahead for Icelandic football.
“Football is by far the biggest sport in Iceland. There are about 20,000
players. Players that play games with club teams are the only players we
register. We don’t count the players who are just playing for fun,” says
Arnar Bill. The uniform approach, organization, and the concerted effort to
register those turning out for clubs ensures player pools are tracked and
monitored. In addition to identification, a functional and thorough scouting
network is in place to make sure players do not slip through the cracks.
“We have a scouting system that works throughout the whole island. That is
no problem. The island is not that small but it’s not that big. There’s no
way, for example, when we choose our first group of players at the age of
14 that we miss out on a talented player. I’m talking about national team
football. The country is small and it’s very easy to scout it. We get a lot
of good players from outside the Reykjavik districts. I think maybe 10
years ago we had an ‘A’ team that played at the national team level and
each and every one of them, the starting XI, came from smaller towns. So,
that can happen, but most of the players are from the Reykjavik area.”
Arnar Bill pauses when asked about the prototypical Icelandic footballer. “
That’s a tough question. I’m not sure if we have a “goal” about what
type of player we want to have, but Icelandic players have always been known
for their mentality. Their winning mentality, we adapt easily and have a
great fighting spirit. And that’s one of the reasons we have been quite
successful when you consider how few [in population terms] we are.”
In order for a generation of players to maximize their potential and compete
, the environment in which they play has to not only be created, but it has
to accommodate the lifestyle of the Icelandic people and account for the
extreme conditions the island experiences. Iceland, with its harsh winter
conditions and isolated location in the North Atlantic has taken the
initiative in creating the setting for its players to thrive in year-round.
The result is more training sessions and chances to teach and hone the
overall baseline technical ability of players in the Icelandic football
system.
“There’s been a revelation in the past 10 or 15 years in terms of the
facilities. We have the longest pre-season in the world. We have about a
seven-to-eight month preseason. Our season starts in May and ends in
September. The reason is because it’s too cold. So, we play on regular
grass from the beginning of May to the end of September. In the last 10 to15
years, we have improved our facilities. We have about seven full-sized
indoor football halls, and about 20 to 25 artificial pitches, and about 150
mini-pitches. This means we can play football all year round.
“When I was playing, 20 years ago, I only had one training session a week
during the winter in football. I just had to play basketball or handball or
some other sport during the winter. But now, we can play football the whole
year even though the season is very short. We can train three to four times
a week. What I’m trying to say is our technical ability is getting better
because of this. Now we can train on good facilities all year round. We are
getting better at getting the ball and passing the ball. The overall
technical ability of our players is improving. The skills are getting better
.”
The benefit of year-round access to high-level training affords Icelandic
footballers more actual training sessions than many other countries that
place heavier emphasis on match play. In Iceland, the increase in training
regularity becomes the platform for improvement through repetition and
frequency. Additionally, the variety of playing surfaces forces players to
hone their skills in different ways. The mini-pitches, indoor football halls
, artificial, cinder and natural grass pitches serve the players well as
weather is less of a hindrance than in years past. This increased exposure
to the game at any given time during the year helps mitigate the logistical
obstacles plaguing countries that have yet to place value in creating
available space for players to train and compete in.
Perhaps the key reason the standard of football in Iceland has risen
dramatically is rooted in the level of baseline coaching education. For
example, in the United States pay-to-play models, inconsistent and expensive
coaching education prices out potential coaches while creating a fragmented
educational standard of coaches within the system. Icelandic football
regards coaching as a skilled position. Icelandic football follows a similar
method Germany, Spain, Italy and the Netherlands have employed regarding
coaching education and qualification. For young players, the exposure to
highly-qualified coaches produces players with a strong mentality. The
approach is simple: to coach, one must be highly-proficient and licensed.
“The key is when the players start training at four or five years of age,
they get a qualified, paid coach. Almost every coach in Iceland has a
qualification. They have a UEFA B or UEFA A license. So when you are a four
or five, or even three years old, you get a qualified and experienced coach.
And, if kids get an experienced and qualified coach who is fun and
entertaining the kids love the game. What happens when you learn to love the
game, you go out on the training pitch and do something extra. You play
football outside of organized training sessions. That is the mentality in
Iceland. If you look at the other Scandinavian countries, Norway, Denmark,
Sweden, in most cases there are parents coaching the kids until they are 12-
years-old as volunteers.”
The commitment to a higher standard of coaching education works well for
Iceland’s population size, but the absence of volunteer coaches also
produces a higher pedigree of player in Iceland.
“If you compare that concept with a qualified, paid coach in Iceland who
has gone through all the courses through the Icelandic FA with a parent in
Norway or Sweden, it’s a win-win situation in Iceland,” says Arnar Bill.
“That is why we are able to produce so many good players even though we are
so few. Twenty years ago we didn’t do it regularly, so we didn’t qualify,
but we are getting better. It’s not something that happened suddenly. The
facilities are definitely helping us. No doubt about that. That’s one thing
. But the coaches’ education is the other thing. We started with that
system with the mandatory UEFA A and UEFA B license in 2002-2003 and now
every coach goes through the same system and they’re qualified. The
improved facilities and coaching education are better — these two aspects
helped the most.”
The players from the 2002-03 group are members of the current talent-rich
generation of Icelandic footballers. In Iceland, the responsibility of
player development is balanced by the FA and the individual clubs. The
dependence on individual clubs with qualified coaches to drive the bulk of a
player’s development is further reinforced by the consistency of the
national team training camps. The role of a club in a player’s footballing
upbringing is tribal in nature in Iceland and mirrors the national identity
of the nation’s football.
As the Director of Education for the KSí, Arnar Bill does not exalt on what
Germany or the Netherlands do in terms of national playing identity.
Players are taught to identify with their communities in both life and in
football. There is little club-hopping in search of the delusions of
grandeur for youth players in Iceland. The country’s football league
structure validates just how quality youth coaching pays dividends.
“I think the league structure is pretty good that way it is. The leagues
are semi-professional. The players get paid, but they all do some job on the
side and some do university. Many clubs are gambling too much with the
money. They are paying too much with the salaries, so I don’t think there
is room for making it fully professional. The best teams that always qualify
for Europe and receive money from that can maybe afford to pay more with
the salaries and bring in more foreign players, but there is no way a club
can bring a full team of players making $100,000. I don’t think anyone is
interested in it, really. Unless there is a team that qualifies for the UEFA
Champions League, they would have the money to do it, but other than that,
who knows?”
Arnar Bill exudes an academic pragmatism. “I would say that Icelandic
football has its own individual and national identity. We can’t copy what
everyone else is doing. We are so few. If you spare me, I will tell you a
story about why we are so successful. The main reason is the club culture,
which I will explain. In Iceland there are no professional clubs. Every club
is amateur.And when you are born into a neighborhood you go and play with
your local team and that’s just how it is. And if your parents stay in that
local neighborhood, you continue to play in that local neighborhood. You
don’t change teams. Very few do. Everyone gets the same coach, everyone
gets the same opportunity, and everyone gets the same amount of training
sessions. The very best players might get to play with age group above to
get better training opportunities. The girls are allowed to play with the
boys to get more speed within a training session.”
The boldness of the Icelandic approach is the player-first philosophy and
where football is not used as a way to eek money from parents and players.
Rather, it is viewed a sporting pursuit that harnesses the strengths of a
proud footballing nation. Arnar Bill is quick to point out that Icelandic
football aims to avoid falling victim to a culture comfortable with using
misleading buzzwords and catchphrases.
“Each team has its own way of producing talent. The word ‘academy’ is
getting overused. Everything is called ‘academy’. We do not do this. Each
club tries to do its best for the best players, of course. But, everyone has
the same service and the same amount of training sessions. As they get
older, we try to do a little bit more for the absolute best players. Maybe
they get an extra training session or they are allowed to train up an age
group. But there are no formal academies.
“During the winter, we have a lot of training sessions. Every other weekend
we have a training session for the boys and the other weekends we have a
training session for the girls who play on the national teams. So we train
the top kids are getting additional training sessions throughout the winter.
The other countries get more games, but we get more training sessions
because of where we are situated. It’s very expensive for us to go and play
a game with the national team. So, 95 percent of the development is done
with the clubs, and about 5 percent is done with the national teams, which
is about 10 weekends [comprised of two training sessions per weekend] a year
for the youth national teams.”
The current Icelandic national side boasts a golden generation of talent and
Arnar Bill describes the present, realistic expectations for the individual
players and the national program beyond qualifying for a major
international tournament for the first time in its footballing history.
“Definitely qualifying for the Euros in 2016, we were so close to
qualifying for the World Cup, but we lost in the playoffs against Croatia.
But, that was the first time we’ve reached the playoffs. We started the
group play very well. Even though there are only four games down and six to
play, we have started well and there is a realistic chance to qualify. That
is definitely the goal. Every year about 5-10 Icelandic players leave to go
abroad to become professional players… so that [export of Icelandic talent]
won’t stop. It will only increase, in my opinion. We will have more and
more professional players.
“But you spoke about the Golden Generation, that’s a good expression
because those same guys qualified for the finals of the under-21, and now
they are playing together on the senior national team. So I think the
mentality in the group is very good. For example, when we beat Holland, the
mentality of the group was so strong. After we won there was no celebrating
on the pitch. It was ‘Well done. Next game. Come on, guys’. They were not
huddling in the middle, screaming and celebrating. It was just, ‘Now we
beat Holland, next game, come on!’ It’s pure focus.
Success in international football has seen the country’s FIFA rankings,
which Arnar Bill admits is “a strange list”, rise 100 places in the past
year, from 135 to 35. Many of the top players take a gradual approach to
establishing themselves abroad.
“I think the decision about what league to go to is up to each player and
the kind of player he really is. Some are brilliant in the Dutch league and
others do well in Scandinavia. But the mentality is most of the players
start by going to Scandinavia. And they are not going to Scandinavia to
become a legend in Scandinavia. They are going to Scandinavia to use it as a
springboard to go to England, Italy or Spain. That’s the mentality. There
are only a few players going straight to England or the Netherlands and
right away succeed at the first attempt. Most of our players who go abroad
young, they go to a big club, which is maybe too big, and they have to take
two steps back before they go up again.
The exceptions are maybe Gylfi Sigurdsson who went to England, and he
started with Reading and played a few games for their senior team. And Jó
hann Berg Guemundsson who went to AZ Alkmaar. So players have to think about
their football and maybe get a good education before going to Scandinavia
to make the step up again if football doesn’t work out. That’s the trend
really. Many go to Norway, and succeed there, then transfer to bigger
leagues.”
The senior national side under the tutelage of Swedish coach Lars Lagerb&#
228;ck relies on the same principles that players are brought up playing.
The players representing Iceland are technical and intelligent. The years of
guidance from high-level coaching from their earliest introduction to the
game to the professional level is evident according to Arnar Bill.
”We always play 4-4-2. We always play fast. We always play with two
strikers. The style of play is number one. The work rate has to be high the
entire time. If a player cannot work for us, they do not play. Some players
can be the top scorers in Holland or Norway but can’t make the starting XI
for Iceland. It’s about having a fantastic work rate. We can’t have any
relaxed players on the team that don’t want to run. When we win, we don’t
change the winning teams.”
So what does long term success for Iceland really look like? Arnar Bill
conveys a great deal of modesty and humility, traits that serve the
Icelandic people well.
“I don’t think anyone has thought that far to be honest. I think, if we
were to qualify [for Euro 2016], the FA will get much more money to spend.
That will help our youth national teams to develop. Like I said before, we
don’t play as many games as the others do. We just can’t afford it. So,
this will help the youth national teams and the women’s national teams if
the men succeed. Improved financial status will help us. The next goal will
be qualify again. We can’t take it for granted to qualify again. It will
always be about the next tournament in 10 or 15 years. ‘Let’s do it again
and again’. I don’t think we can say ‘Okay, let’s reach the semi-finals
or finals’. For us, we’ve never qualified, so let’s start with that.”
Iceland’s ability to set a standard for its coaches that is just as high as
that of its players is evident. Players who learn the game the right way
from well-qualified coaches has fostered a generation of Icelandic players
vying to establish themselves in European and international football. There
are lessons to be gained and plaudits to recognize for this proud nation.
Some 3,500 miles to the west is the United States and 1,000 miles to the
east is Great Britain.
Both boast better infrastructure, more robust economies, and deeper sporting
landscapes and both could learn a great deal in the realm of player
development and coaching education from an island nation that has never
qualified for a major football tournament at the senior level. | r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 60 其实徐根宝的思路可能是对的，弄好几万中国小孩到欧洲去，从小在欧洲的足球环境里
长大，彻底跟中国的足球环境绝缘，将来要冲出亚洲可能就得这么搞。类似于非洲国家
的借鸡生蛋。这些小孩除了出生在中国其他都跟外国人没啥区别了。
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
: 从设施、教练到球员选材和培训，冰岛的青训系统基本上已经完全优化了。
: 这个模式不完全适合（大多数地方不怎么热爱足球也没有足球设施和资源的）中国。大
: 连那样的足球城市和地方还是可以认真学习的。
: http://thesefootballtimes.co/2015/02/05/the-icelandic-football-model/
: IN GLOBAL FOOTBALL THE NARRATIVE NEVER STAYS THE SAME. Success on the pitch
: is not defined by population density and landmass. Footballing excellence
: does not grow from dry, untilled fields left stagnate with fodder crops.
: Iceland, an actively volcanic island nestled in the North Atlantic Ocean
: with a population of around 325,000 people has an overabundance of
: footballing riches. Iceland’s main exports are raw aluminum, fish,
| | | j******q
发帖数: 230 | | r***k
发帖数: 13586 | 62 普及也是有程度区别的。一边是1亿个人每个人每天踢10分钟，一边是1万个人每天踢8
小时，很可能是一万个人的那边胜出。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 你没理解，他一共就33万人，就算再普及，能有多少人踢球？
: 所以说中国足球人口少,不普及是中国足球上不去的原因的是瞎扯。。。
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| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 63 最近没时间看球，以后准备看一些比赛的录像，因此不会看贴或跟贴。我刚才听说冰岛
赢了英格兰。热情祝贺冰岛的33万人民以一胜百！：） | h*h
发帖数: 27852 | 64 冰岛从2000年开始大搞足球，U17欧洲前8， U21 欧洲第5，同一批人干掉英格兰，世界
排名严重低估了 |
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