c*f
发帖数: 977 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Living 讨论区 】
发信人: cef (()), 信区: Living
标 题: urgent help with a house purchase problem
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 13 16:25:16 2015, 美东)
All contingencies have been removed by now, and escrow will close in three
weeks. The house is of one-floor, but there is a finished studio of 250 sqft
on the second floor of the garage (with a closet, no bath, but permitted).
The studio can serve as a nice study, but can only be accessed from the
backyard, not from the inside of the house.
The listing says the footage is 1800, and I was told the studio is an
additional bonus room. When we made offer (more than 1M), one of the reasons
why we were willing to accept a crazy price was the bonus room, besides
excellent location. I happened to read closely the appraisal report, and
found out the 1800 footage includes the bonus room. This means the real
footage of the house is 1550 sqft. 250 difference is just too much. I'm
considering what action I should take and what option I will have. Any
suggestions and advices are highly appreciated. |
b********1
发帖数: 1299 | 2 如果确实出的价格太高了， 可以和seller商量一下reduce price,不然就算您的
deposit不要， 可能也未必再能卖到您出的价， 250sqft差价至少也有10万以上了。而
且如果listing上说这个bonus room sqft不算在living里， 那seller也有责任。
您的buyer agent怎么说？ |
c*f
发帖数: 977 | 3 Thanks!
When we saw the house, the listing agent promoted it as a bonus, permitted
room. The listing does not say explicitly what's included in the square
footage. Looking back, in the listing they use word very carefully, which
says "studio" instead of usual "bonus room" or "guest room". When we told
the listing agent the house is only 1550, her response was "you're kidding",
but right away says she just cited the public record. She was also the
buyer agent when the current owner bought this house.
As for my agent, she had assumed the bonus room was not included, which also
led me to believe the bonus room was not included in the square footage.
【在 b********1 的大作中提到】
: 如果确实出的价格太高了， 可以和seller商量一下reduce price,不然就算您的
: deposit不要， 可能也未必再能卖到您出的价， 250sqft差价至少也有10万以上了。而
: 且如果listing上说这个bonus room sqft不算在living里， 那seller也有责任。
: 您的buyer agent怎么说？
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b********1
发帖数: 1299 | 4 应该可以和seller negotiate一下. 毕竟250 sqft不是小数目。 |
b******y
发帖数: 1684 | 5 It's more like your agent didn't explain well, or understood it wrong.
On listing side, since the bonus room is permitted, the public record
includes it in sqft, I don't see the listing agent had any problem...
",
also
【在 c*f 的大作中提到】
: Thanks!
: When we saw the house, the listing agent promoted it as a bonus, permitted
: room. The listing does not say explicitly what's included in the square
: footage. Looking back, in the listing they use word very carefully, which
: says "studio" instead of usual "bonus room" or "guest room". When we told
: the listing agent the house is only 1550, her response was "you're kidding",
: but right away says she just cited the public record. She was also the
: buyer agent when the current owner bought this house.
: As for my agent, she had assumed the bonus room was not included, which also
: led me to believe the bonus room was not included in the square footage.
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t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 6 这个也要具体分析了。如果bonus是很久以前建的，质量没问题，有些城市可以补申请
permit。
很多contract是"buyer to verify"建筑面积和Lot Size。也就是你自己负责。卖家没
有法律责任。 |
c*f
发帖数: 977 | 7 the bonus room was permitted and added in 80's. This house was sold before
twice, with the same listed 1800 sq ft. I'm not sure if the previous two
owners were aware that this 1800 includes the bonus room at the time they
bought the house. I heard usually the lender would not give buyers appraisal
report (if the appraised value is no less than the price?)
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 这个也要具体分析了。如果bonus是很久以前建的，质量没问题，有些城市可以补申请
: permit。
: 很多contract是"buyer to verify"建筑面积和Lot Size。也就是你自己负责。卖家没
: 有法律责任。
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t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 8 那可能是你和你的agent对bonus的字义理解错了。你们以为bonus是不算在面积里。而
实际上房东和他的agent说bonus的意义是指这个房间不属于房子的一部分，只能从外面
上去。所以没有算在bedroom count里面。你很难证明房东disclosure有错。签合同以
前要仔细看disclosure。这是你的agent没有尽到责任。如果要怪谁只能怪你的agent。 |
c*f
发帖数: 977 | 9 my agent assumed that finished space over garage should not be counted right
from the beginning. Later on, the appraiser also said finished space over
garage without direct access from the house is usually not counted, even if
it is permitted. But when he came out the approved value, he defaulted to
the public record.
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 那可能是你和你的agent对bonus的字义理解错了。你们以为bonus是不算在面积里。而
: 实际上房东和他的agent说bonus的意义是指这个房间不属于房子的一部分，只能从外面
: 上去。所以没有算在bedroom count里面。你很难证明房东disclosure有错。签合同以
: 前要仔细看disclosure。这是你的agent没有尽到责任。如果要怪谁只能怪你的agent。
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 10 我不是REALTOR,只是一个同样在找房子的人.你这个情况LISTING AGENT把STUDIO面积算
进去是非常正常的,叫不叫BONUS ROOM跟这个没关系.我很奇怪你的BUYER'S AGENT没跟
你解释清楚.如果因为这个你觉得多花了很多,可以跟卖方试着ARGUE一下,但是这个确实
不能怪LISTING AGENT.
sqft
.
reasons
【在 c*f 的大作中提到】
: my agent assumed that finished space over garage should not be counted right
: from the beginning. Later on, the appraiser also said finished space over
: garage without direct access from the house is usually not counted, even if
: it is permitted. But when he came out the approved value, he defaulted to
: the public record.
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c*f
发帖数: 977 | 11 The listing agent showed that she had also assumed the bonus room was not
included. But then, she said she just cited public record for the square
footage.
【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我不是REALTOR,只是一个同样在找房子的人.你这个情况LISTING AGENT把STUDIO面积算
: 进去是非常正常的,叫不叫BONUS ROOM跟这个没关系.我很奇怪你的BUYER'S AGENT没跟
: 你解释清楚.如果因为这个你觉得多花了很多,可以跟卖方试着ARGUE一下,但是这个确实
: 不能怪LISTING AGENT.
:
: sqft
: .
: reasons
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t**8
发帖数: 4527 | 12 打官司你赢不了， 跟seller商量一下
1800 和 1550 房价不一定差很多
看位置， 结构和装修，
【在 c*f 的大作中提到】
: The listing agent showed that she had also assumed the bonus room was not
: included. But then, she said she just cited public record for the square
: footage.
|
c*f
发帖数: 977 | 13 I agree...
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 那可能是你和你的agent对bonus的字义理解错了。你们以为bonus是不算在面积里。而
: 实际上房东和他的agent说bonus的意义是指这个房间不属于房子的一部分，只能从外面
: 上去。所以没有算在bedroom count里面。你很难证明房东disclosure有错。签合同以
: 前要仔细看disclosure。这是你的agent没有尽到责任。如果要怪谁只能怪你的agent。
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s*********3
发帖数: 2890 | 14 County record 是多少尺呢？你removed 了所有的contingency 了吗？
sqft
.
reasons
【在 c*f 的大作中提到】
: I agree...
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b******y
发帖数: 1684 | 15 1800 yes
【在 s*********3 的大作中提到】
: County record 是多少尺呢？你removed 了所有的contingency 了吗？
:
: sqft
: .
: reasons
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s*********3
发帖数: 2890 | 16 If that bonus room has permit and on the county record, then, it is 1800.
The appraisal report is not the final judgement for the sqft. It is also
could be possible their datebase wrong. Or you can hire a surveyor to find
it out.
【在 b******y 的大作中提到】
: 1800 yes
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c*f
发帖数: 977 | 17 The appraiser measured the house himself when he went there to do appraisal.
..
【在 s*********3 的大作中提到】
: If that bonus room has permit and on the county record, then, it is 1800.
: The appraisal report is not the final judgement for the sqft. It is also
: could be possible their datebase wrong. Or you can hire a surveyor to find
: it out.
|
s*********3
发帖数: 2890 | 18 Are you there to see how they do the measurement? Can do your own
measurement again? Which zipcode the house is at?
appraisal.
【在 c*f 的大作中提到】
: The appraiser measured the house himself when he went there to do appraisal.
: ..
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T*******r
发帖数: 196 | 19 看估价报告上每个区域的面积，自己加一下就知道了。如果这个studio是算在1800以内
的，就和你们双方一开始的communication不符，你如果还想要这个房子，就count
offer一个价格，会经过一个讨价还价的过程，最好和你的agent讨论，准备好各种情况
的应对就好了。如果你已经不想要这个房子了，可以以此为理由，要求归还定金，至少
要会一部分。总之，要有好的沟通，不要有了想法和各种不满意，还自己憋着。 |
l*****z
发帖数: 3022 | 20 你的agent也太矬了吧，1500跟1800的区别看看open house一眼就看出来了。我不是
agent但是看看open house肯定能看出1500的没有1800尺。
sqft
.
reasons
【在 c*f 的大作中提到】
: The appraiser measured the house himself when he went there to do appraisal.
: ..
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h***i
发帖数: 3844 | 21 如果有permit 那250尺是可以算到面积里啊
【在 l*****z 的大作中提到】
: 你的agent也太矬了吧，1500跟1800的区别看看open house一眼就看出来了。我不是
: agent但是看看open house肯定能看出1500的没有1800尺。
:
: sqft
: .
: reasons
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k*y
发帖数: 108 | 22 没有permit, 或者以前的permit不符合现在的标准的话，是不是不能算到contract里面？
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】
: 如果有permit 那250尺是可以算到面积里啊
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m****a
发帖数: 2593 | 23 正解
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 那可能是你和你的agent对bonus的字义理解错了。你们以为bonus是不算在面积里。而
: 实际上房东和他的agent说bonus的意义是指这个房间不属于房子的一部分，只能从外面
: 上去。所以没有算在bedroom count里面。你很难证明房东disclosure有错。签合同以
: 前要仔细看disclosure。这是你的agent没有尽到责任。如果要怪谁只能怪你的agent。
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