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p********i
发帖数: 1963
1
CU 权利好象基本相同啊,而且没有那么多人反对。。有CU也比没有好啊。。有没有可
能联邦层次饶开doma出现cu提案啊?
p***2
发帖数: 374
2
RFMA (Respect for Marriage Act), if passed, can do the same thing as CU to
grant federal benefits to married couples.
RFMA does NOT try to promote gay marriage at the federal level. In contrast
, it tries to remove federal inference with family laws in marriage which
should be decided by the states.

【在 p********i 的大作中提到】
: CU 权利好象基本相同啊,而且没有那么多人反对。。有CU也比没有好啊。。有没有可
: 能联邦层次饶开doma出现cu提案啊?

g********d
发帖数: 4174
3
New Jersey Gay Marriage Lawsuit Seeks To Force State To Recognize Same-Sex
Marriage
TRENTON, N.J. — Seven gay and lesbian New Jersey couples, along with many
of their children, are going to court to try to force the state to recognize
gay marriage.
The families say in their legal complaint that the state's civil union law
designed to give gay couples the same legal protections as married couples
has not fulfilled that promise.
One man says he was denied being able to make urgent medical decisions for
his partner. Another saw his partner and children's health insurance
canceled by a skeptical auditor. One woman had to jump through legal hoops
to adopt the baby of her civil union.
Along with the gay advocacy groups Garden State Equality and Lambda Legal,
the couples planned to announce details of the lawsuit on Wednesday. The
advocacy groups provided a copy to The Associated Press on the condition
that no details be published before Wednesday morning.
The lawsuit, to be filed in state court, comes less than a week after New
York Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed a law allowing gay marriage in that
neighboring state. But it's the latest step in a nine-year legal battle in
New Jersey.
States afford gay couples a hodgepodge of rights. New Jersey is one of seven
states that offer the same legal protections of marriage, but call it
either civil unions or domestic partnerships. Once New York's new law takes
effect next month, six states and Washington D.C. will make full marriage
available to gays. Another state recognizes gay marriages entered into
elsewhere and three offer some legal protections for gay couples. But 41
have laws or constitutional amendments barring gay marriage.
New Jersey's civil union law is cast as the villain in the suit.
"The separate and inherently unequal statutory scheme singles out lesbians
and gay men for inferior treatment on the basis of their sexual orientation
and sex and also has a profoundly stigmatizing effect on them, their
children and other lesbian and gay New Jerseyans," the claim says.
The legal filing tells the stories of seven couples – two of whom
previously sued for the right to marry – and the problems they say they've
faced since the state began offering civil unions in 2007.
k*****e
发帖数: 22013
4
有CU总比没有好,这个没错
但是CU的权利和marriage是不同的

【在 p********i 的大作中提到】
: CU 权利好象基本相同啊,而且没有那么多人反对。。有CU也比没有好啊。。有没有可
: 能联邦层次饶开doma出现cu提案啊?

g********d
发帖数: 4174
5
可以规定CU和MARRIAGE有同样的权利,我想LZ是假定这种情况。

【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有CU总比没有好,这个没错
: 但是CU的权利和marriage是不同的

k*****e
发帖数: 22013
6
如果一时半会儿弄不倒DOMA,有CU也是不错的过渡。

【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 可以规定CU和MARRIAGE有同样的权利,我想LZ是假定这种情况。
m******1
发帖数: 19713
7
如果CU和marriage有完全一样的权利了,那还要CU干什么?
那些只想登记CU而不想登记结婚的异性恋伴侣们怎么办?
难道再定义一套hetero-CU和一套homo-CU?
hetero-CU=regular CU?
homo-CU=gay marriage?
然后,异性恋伴侣们就说了:为什么要让我们的CU改名字?我们本来就叫CU,而同性伴
侣的CU就应该叫gay CU。
然后政府就说了,既然gay CU的权利其实和marriage一模一样,不如把gay CU改叫gay
marriage更合适。。。
于是,皆大欢喜,绕了一圈,又回到原地。
这不是脱了裤子放P么?
g********d
发帖数: 4174
8
那当然。不过,全联邦(所有州)都实现CU可能比废除DOMA SECTION 3(也就是联邦
承认已经被州承认的MARRIAGE)还要难。在各州,已经是能CU的先CU了,并没有非要
MARRIAGE不可。

【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如果一时半会儿弄不倒DOMA,有CU也是不错的过渡。
g********d
发帖数: 4174
9
那当然。不过,全联邦(所有州)都实现CU可能比废除DOMA SECTION 3(也就是联邦
承认已经被州承认的MARRIAGE)还要难。在各州,已经是能CU的先CU了,并没有非要
MARRIAGE不可。

【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如果一时半会儿弄不倒DOMA,有CU也是不错的过渡。
p********i
发帖数: 1963
10
就是可以cu先保证一些基本的权利,然后在慢慢往里面加。联邦上面的权利真的几年内
一点希望都没有吗?

【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 那当然。不过,全联邦(所有州)都实现CU可能比废除DOMA SECTION 3(也就是联邦
: 承认已经被州承认的MARRIAGE)还要难。在各州,已经是能CU的先CU了,并没有非要
: MARRIAGE不可。

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p*****o
发帖数: 1010
11
Marriage和CU就是如同在万恶的旧社会,男人可以有若干老婆。只有大老婆才能被成为原配夫人,
其它都是妾。权利名分当然都是不一样的咯。其实,看看这个总统参选人的观念。
在他眼里,别说同性婚姻了,直人单亲名分都不如有孩儿的异性婚姻。婚姻在他眼
里是有高下等级,不同特权。
简直想冲上去踹他两脚。谁要是选这个XX,才真是不吃脑残片绝对不行哪。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOX7iBQjscI

【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 那当然。不过,全联邦(所有州)都实现CU可能比废除DOMA SECTION 3(也就是联邦
: 承认已经被州承认的MARRIAGE)还要难。在各州,已经是能CU的先CU了,并没有非要
: MARRIAGE不可。

g********d
发帖数: 4174
12
ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI这样的州连基本的权利也不会同意的。美国传统上由州来决定
婚姻,所以废除DOMA SECTION 3,暂时保留SECTION 2,让各州自行决定,是个可行
的办法。我对废除DOMA SECTION 3是乐观的,认为几年内有可能,但是很多人不同意
,也有道理。
另外,SECTION 2里的原文用的是"a relationship between persons of the same
sex that is treated as a marriage",可能就包括CU。如果SECTION 3的"
marriage"是同样的意思,就怎么样都饶不开DOMA了。
Section 2. Powers reserved to the states
No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe
, shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial
proceeding of any other State, territory, possession, or tribe respecting a
relationship between persons of the same sex that is treated as a marriage
under the laws of such other State, territory, possession, or tribe, or a
right or claim arising from such relationship.
Section 3. Definition of marriage
In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling,
regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and
agencies of the United States, the word 'marriage' means only a legal union
between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse'
refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

【在 p********i 的大作中提到】
: 就是可以cu先保证一些基本的权利,然后在慢慢往里面加。联邦上面的权利真的几年内
: 一点希望都没有吗?

p********i
发帖数: 1963
13
啊,明白了,多谢。。
就是在等最高法院怎么判,对吗?
废除section3的话好象联邦权利就有了。。最坏情况move到有marriage的洲就什么权
利都有了,对把?

tribe

【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI这样的州连基本的权利也不会同意的。美国传统上由州来决定
: 婚姻,所以废除DOMA SECTION 3,暂时保留SECTION 2,让各州自行决定,是个可行
: 的办法。我对废除DOMA SECTION 3是乐观的,认为几年内有可能,但是很多人不同意
: ,也有道理。
: 另外,SECTION 2里的原文用的是"a relationship between persons of the same
: sex that is treated as a marriage",可能就包括CU。如果SECTION 3的"
: marriage"是同样的意思,就怎么样都饶不开DOMA了。
: Section 2. Powers reserved to the states
: No State, territory, or possession of the United States, or Indian tribe
: , shall be required to give effect to any public act, record, or judicial

g********d
发帖数: 4174
14
不幸的是Tim Pawlenty很可能是GOP各方势力平衡可以接受的最后的提名人,经济再继
续没有气色,OBAMA是有可能输给他的。其他GOP总统候选人也好不了多少,大部分都支
持联邦修宪禁止同性婚姻,所以支持OBAMA很重要,尽管民主党也有很恶心的方面。

为原配夫人,

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】
: Marriage和CU就是如同在万恶的旧社会,男人可以有若干老婆。只有大老婆才能被成为原配夫人,
: 其它都是妾。权利名分当然都是不一样的咯。其实,看看这个总统参选人的观念。
: 在他眼里,别说同性婚姻了,直人单亲名分都不如有孩儿的异性婚姻。婚姻在他眼
: 里是有高下等级,不同特权。
: 简直想冲上去踹他两脚。谁要是选这个XX,才真是不吃脑残片绝对不行哪。
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOX7iBQjscI

g********d
发帖数: 4174
15
我对DOMA的理解也不一定对。确实等最高法院怎么判是最有希望的。

【在 p********i 的大作中提到】
: 啊,明白了,多谢。。
: 就是在等最高法院怎么判,对吗?
: 废除section3的话好象联邦权利就有了。。最坏情况move到有marriage的洲就什么权
: 利都有了,对把?
:
: tribe

p********i
发帖数: 1963
16
哎,我觉得现在这个经济状况,神仙也救不上来。。很多job永远也没有拉。。

【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 不幸的是Tim Pawlenty很可能是GOP各方势力平衡可以接受的最后的提名人,经济再继
: 续没有气色,OBAMA是有可能输给他的。其他GOP总统候选人也好不了多少,大部分都支
: 持联邦修宪禁止同性婚姻,所以支持OBAMA很重要,尽管民主党也有很恶心的方面。
:
: 为原配夫人,

g********d
发帖数: 4174
17
我对经济不懂,但感觉OBAMA能力挺差的,别人可以做的更好。再说,选民才不会因为
谁也做不好,就原谅OBAMA做了4年,经济还不行的。

【在 p********i 的大作中提到】
: 哎,我觉得现在这个经济状况,神仙也救不上来。。很多job永远也没有拉。。
D**S
发帖数: 24887
18
We probably really should kiss this country goodbye if GOP gets elected for
next president. Seriously.
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