o*****e 发帖数: 379 | 1 两个人一起,去的是我们都没去过的一个地方,一趟下来很长经验值。教训有三个:1.
Alpine长线的rope drag太恐怖了... 2. Make decision很重要... 3. 不能轻易跟不
熟悉的人爬multi-pitch,即使对方听起来很有经验...
Guide book上说是full pitch,刚好用光60米绳子的那种。从图上看线路很直,刚开始
的chimney也很直,所以我有点大意,开始的几个pro都只用了半长的single runner。
Chimney出口有两个bolt,那个时候刚开始有点rope drag,我觉得还凑合,而且爬的正
在兴头上就没停。之后rope drag越来越糟,看起来即使线路主体是直的,稍微拐个弯
被什么石头卡一下摩擦力就会大很多。chinmey之后是slab face climb为主,已经不太
容易找好的建anchor的地方了。之后碰到一棵活着的树,现在看起来是最后一个可以比
较好建anchor的station了,而且当时rope drag已经很厉害了,基本要一边扯绳子一边
爬了。真的应该停下来的。很郁闷的发现居然忘记带打结的runner了,都是缝好的,绕
树不够长。再加上当时看往上的路不难,纠结了一下就决定继续往上了...
又走了一段某一个地方,跨步大了一点,几乎被绳子扯下山去,一只手已经撤不动绳子
了,必须停了。只好找了一个凑合的crack建anchor,把三个鸡蛋都装在一个篮子里。
用两只手加full body weight把绳子又扯上来一小段,然后死活扯不动了。距离太长,
上、下喊话完全听不见。我等了至少一个小时啊一个小时,不间断的扯绳子,手指磨掉
了两块皮,戴着手套都疼死了,还是扯不上一点。不敢往回爬,而且我觉得trouble
maker是开始的几个pro,往回爬一点作用也不大。后面的pro几个我都double runner,
应该问题不大。将近200 ft的一共放了9个pro,也不是太发指的多啊。
就在我几乎准备打911的时候,看到边上一条线路上的人,让他们帮我往下传话,告诉
partner可以往上爬了。他上来倒是蛮快,上来以后问他为什么等了一个多小时不动,曰
感觉我停了一阵,(build anchor)
之后很smooth的爬了一段,(pulling the rope)
之后绳子扯紧了,(那你老人家倒是爬啊)
没有confirm不敢爬,因为开始几步是crux!(那要是没人传话呢)
再等等吧... (// 汗...)
以前rope drag是常有的,不过从来没有这么恐怖过。如果在那棵树那想办法停了就好
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W***9 发帖数: 4834 | 2 BE CAREFUL【 在 offline (独酌客) 的大作中提到: 】
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W***9 发帖数: 4834 | 3 BE CAREFUL【 在 offline (独酌客) 的大作中提到: 】
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q*n 发帖数: 1203 | 4 在树那里为什么不用几个runner girth hitch连起来建anchor?
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【在 o*****e 的大作中提到】 : 两个人一起,去的是我们都没去过的一个地方,一趟下来很长经验值。教训有三个:1. : Alpine长线的rope drag太恐怖了... 2. Make decision很重要... 3. 不能轻易跟不 : 熟悉的人爬multi-pitch,即使对方听起来很有经验... : Guide book上说是full pitch,刚好用光60米绳子的那种。从图上看线路很直,刚开始 : 的chimney也很直,所以我有点大意,开始的几个pro都只用了半长的single runner。 : Chimney出口有两个bolt,那个时候刚开始有点rope drag,我觉得还凑合,而且爬的正 : 在兴头上就没停。之后rope drag越来越糟,看起来即使线路主体是直的,稍微拐个弯 : 被什么石头卡一下摩擦力就会大很多。chinmey之后是slab face climb为主,已经不太 : 容易找好的建anchor的地方了。之后碰到一棵活着的树,现在看起来是最后一个可以比 : 较好建anchor的station了,而且当时rope drag已经很厉害了,基本要一边扯绳子一边
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q*n 发帖数: 1203 | 5 还有,rope drag严重到动不了的情况我也遇到过好几次,还是很经常的,当时都是
downclimb解决的。
还是经验啊经验,脑子里没这根弦,放保护的时候考虑不周到。
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【在 o*****e 的大作中提到】 : 两个人一起,去的是我们都没去过的一个地方,一趟下来很长经验值。教训有三个:1. : Alpine长线的rope drag太恐怖了... 2. Make decision很重要... 3. 不能轻易跟不 : 熟悉的人爬multi-pitch,即使对方听起来很有经验... : Guide book上说是full pitch,刚好用光60米绳子的那种。从图上看线路很直,刚开始 : 的chimney也很直,所以我有点大意,开始的几个pro都只用了半长的single runner。 : Chimney出口有两个bolt,那个时候刚开始有点rope drag,我觉得还凑合,而且爬的正 : 在兴头上就没停。之后rope drag越来越糟,看起来即使线路主体是直的,稍微拐个弯 : 被什么石头卡一下摩擦力就会大很多。chinmey之后是slab face climb为主,已经不太 : 容易找好的建anchor的地方了。之后碰到一棵活着的树,现在看起来是最后一个可以比 : 较好建anchor的station了,而且当时rope drag已经很厉害了,基本要一边扯绳子一边
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o*****e 发帖数: 379 | 6 是。树那里想停当然可以停下,还是懒了,总觉得再坚持坚持就到了,最后一步是差点
被拽下去才真的害怕了。那时觉得不放pro就不会恶化,(我最后70ft总共只放了2个)
,树之后一个没放,摩擦力还是迅速增大。
downclimb下了几次决心,最后还是没敢。往底下看挺深的,完全看不到下一个pro在哪
... bolt那里就该停,虽然都说是一个pitch,没理由无缘无故在中间给两个建anchor
的bolt...
【在 q*n 的大作中提到】 : 还有,rope drag严重到动不了的情况我也遇到过好几次,还是很经常的,当时都是 : downclimb解决的。 : 还是经验啊经验,脑子里没这根弦,放保护的时候考虑不周到。 : : 1.
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 7 actually trees are perfect belay stations, for many reasons: 1. it's super
fast to rig the anchor, 2. it's bomb proof 3. it saves a lot of gear to
build the anchor 4. there is usually a good platform to stand/sit
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【在 o*****e 的大作中提到】 : 是。树那里想停当然可以停下,还是懒了,总觉得再坚持坚持就到了,最后一步是差点 : 被拽下去才真的害怕了。那时觉得不放pro就不会恶化,(我最后70ft总共只放了2个) : ,树之后一个没放,摩擦力还是迅速增大。 : downclimb下了几次决心,最后还是没敢。往底下看挺深的,完全看不到下一个pro在哪 : ... bolt那里就该停,虽然都说是一个pitch,没理由无缘无故在中间给两个建anchor : 的bolt...
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e**o 发帖数: 5509 | 8 其实我感觉这个partner还可以,最起码很小心,不自作主张.
但的确等一个小时也太长,万一出事,黄花菜都凉了.
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【在 o*****e 的大作中提到】 : 是。树那里想停当然可以停下,还是懒了,总觉得再坚持坚持就到了,最后一步是差点 : 被拽下去才真的害怕了。那时觉得不放pro就不会恶化,(我最后70ft总共只放了2个) : ,树之后一个没放,摩擦力还是迅速增大。 : downclimb下了几次决心,最后还是没敢。往底下看挺深的,完全看不到下一个pro在哪 : ... bolt那里就该停,虽然都说是一个pitch,没理由无缘无故在中间给两个建anchor : 的bolt...
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 10 radios can be useful for novices, but they are totally unnecessay if
everyone knows what they are doing. on long routes, I don't even bother
trying to yell to my partner, I know they will not be able to hear me.
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】 : 一直不明白为啥climber不爱用radio.
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b***y 发帖数: 824 | 11 Aglee, radios is helpful but not neccesary if you know what you are doing.
Got similar issues on last Sunday's 6 pitch trad route. I chickened for the
crux section and my partner has to push on for the finger cracks after a
traverse. He got huge rope drag on those crux moves. Even double runner for
the turning point did not help much and should have used the cortlette. No
radios, and shouting just gone with the wind. Feels on the rope tension
tells you if your partner is building the anchor or you are on belay, and so
you just know whet to climb out.
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】 : radios can be useful for novices, but they are totally unnecessay if : everyone knows what they are doing. on long routes, I don't even bother : trying to yell to my partner, I know they will not be able to hear me.
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 12 what did you do last sunday? I don't even try to communicate whenever I
climb in Icicle Canyon, the wind and roaring water are just too loud.
the
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【在 b***y 的大作中提到】 : Aglee, radios is helpful but not neccesary if you know what you are doing. : Got similar issues on last Sunday's 6 pitch trad route. I chickened for the : crux section and my partner has to push on for the finger cracks after a : traverse. He got huge rope drag on those crux moves. Even double runner for : the turning point did not help much and should have used the cortlette. No : radios, and shouting just gone with the wind. Feels on the rope tension : tells you if your partner is building the anchor or you are on belay, and so : you just know whet to climb out.
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y*****y 发帖数: 3433 | 13 outerspace?
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】 : what did you do last sunday? I don't even try to communicate whenever I : climb in Icicle Canyon, the wind and roaring water are just too loud. : : the : for : so
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b***y 发帖数: 824 | 14 Nah, Orbit, left to Outer Space. Actually Takeo's outer space climb is still
open, just himself right now, last time checked.
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】 : outerspace?
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 15 how scary is orbit?
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【在 b***y 的大作中提到】 : Nah, Orbit, left to Outer Space. Actually Takeo's outer space climb is still : open, just himself right now, last time checked.
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y*****y 发帖数: 3433 | 16 Out of my ability for sure. We are not in the same league for a long time...
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【在 b***y 的大作中提到】 : Nah, Orbit, left to Outer Space. Actually Takeo's outer space climb is still : open, just himself right now, last time checked.
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b***y 发帖数: 824 | 17 It should be a nice practice for Yosemite trip. Same kind of rock, same kind
of moves and similar level of rating. According to Takeo, its difficulty
should be same as Nutscracker, some cracks, some friction moves, runout with
40 years of bolt/pitons. My biggest worry is that 30 feet of finger crack,
there are two cracks you can use stemming and some liebacks, but making
those difficult moves and same time figuring out setting the right pro every
7, 8 feet is just hard&scary. French free may help a little, but still hard
. There are few other tricky or delicate moves, but managable. On runout
section, just pay attention to find the old bolt, otherwise it would be dead
scary runout as Takeo did it once.
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】 : how scary is orbit? : : still
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c*******r 发帖数: 13580 | 18 听起来很scary,下次你给我rope gun吧
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【在 b***y 的大作中提到】 : It should be a nice practice for Yosemite trip. Same kind of rock, same kind : of moves and similar level of rating. According to Takeo, its difficulty : should be same as Nutscracker, some cracks, some friction moves, runout with : 40 years of bolt/pitons. My biggest worry is that 30 feet of finger crack, : there are two cracks you can use stemming and some liebacks, but making : those difficult moves and same time figuring out setting the right pro every : 7, 8 feet is just hard&scary. French free may help a little, but still hard : . There are few other tricky or delicate moves, but managable. On runout : section, just pay attention to find the old bolt, otherwise it would be dead : scary runout as Takeo did it once.
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o*****e 发帖数: 379 | 20 我没radio,如果partner有,我不介意带着,这次刚好都没有。我带了手机,中间还打
电话找人whine了一把,他手机没信号。
本来说好switch lead的,他follow了第一段之后就反悔了,我的cortlette和另一个
anchor都留下面了,到树那里只能拆draw建anchor,可能连personal pro都得解一个下
来用。不过这些都不是本质问题了...
他后来说他以为我run out of rope了,不希望我们同时在爬,也算说得过去,不过实
在想不通为什么等了一个小时还淡定的打算继续等下去,难道是周末阳光太好?我好像
以前也没有过一个小时还建不好anchor的劣迹... 实在谨慎,用personal pro把自己挂
在我设的第一个pro上,也足够通过开始的几步crux了... 难得见一个比我胆子还小的.
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